[GON 2nd mafia game] The townies won

[mtamburini]

Mtam, I would invite you to bold sections that are "scummy" and declare why. This is precisely what I'm talking about. No one has a clue, and definitions of "scummy" make absolutely no sense. Once again, I am town. You want to make me Ragot 2.0? Be my guest. You will find the same result as before.

My list?
1.El Super (Doesn't talk much, adversarial)
2. Archer (Also quiet, and others are suspecting)
3. Mtam (Calling people scummy is downright scummy)
4. DB4 (Volunteered himself in day 1, but I am beginning to believe he is a townie)

This is the section I quoted and bolded as per your request kill.

I can't provide a list of 4 because I have no clue who the mafia is. DB4 is moving down my list of suspects actually. ElSuper is trending up.
Who would I shoot? Well.....Tuffy for being annoying, but ElSuper if I had to pick my best guess for mafia.
Mtam would be a good one to save for providing a voice of reason.

So do you or do you not have a list of possible mafia? You kinda contradicted yourself there...

Then you said

I did. I could give you a list if you want. It would be as useless as the others I've seen.

Then you say Im scummy for calling you scummy?

Look what you have written and see it from my shoes. You say you cant provide a list, then say db4 is moving down your list.

You literally contradicted yourself on the next sentence.

Id love for you to convince me how your town, but so far not doing a good job at all.

[Killuminati19]

How am I convincing you I am mafia? You didn't follow my instructions. You called me out for contradicting myself. Good catch, also, so what? How is that "scummy"? I GARAUNTEE YOU I AM NOT MAFIA! Does that work for you? When I said I couldn't provide a list, I meant I couldn't provide one with solid reasoning. When I said DB4 was moving down my list, I meant he was moving down my list that is not based on anything of any real merit. In other words, "my list" was not credible enough to share with the good people of Doughnut Town.

[TuffyLess]

Who would I shoot? Well.....Tuffy for being annoying

How am I convincing you I am mafia?
I GARAUNTEE YOU I AM NOT MAFIA!

So you think Im townie annoying another townie?
If you are not mafia but you'll shoot me for chasing mafia suspicions - whats that make you?
BTW ... your option is to hang - not shoot. Unless, you're saying you also have a gun as well?
Its all very telling Kill.
Interesting.

I understand the reasoning behind why you would want Aka dead and it does seem like a good idea, however if he does flip town it puts us in a bad spot. I think he has not posted at all on D2 so would you be more inclined to have him replaced?

Curious ... why not propose this when the same logic was used against Ragot? - whom turned out to be Townie w/ a quite powerful role.
We dont know Aka but you now want to propose a stand-in for him.?.

If we accept your logic - we will have lynched a townie but may have saved a potential mafia (and got him active IG).


Ill point out the final count before N1 and the current:

Day 1 vote count:

crasp - Scarlet Lady, qbert68
DB4Christ - archer3base, justplay4fun, Ragot25, Gabsensei, Elsuper bano
Ragot25 - CHECK-M8, TheCrown, Killuminati19, Crasp, mtamburini, TuffyLess, Mithridaties, King Edward 3rd, DB4Christ, Cump Sherman

Ragot25 is Lynched

Day 2 vote count:
archer3base - DB4Christ
DB4Christ - justplay4fun, qbert68, archer3base
Elsuper bano - King Edward 3rd, Killuminati19
Killuminati19 - Gabsensei, mtamburini, CHECK-M8
King Edward 3rd - Elsuper bano


With 15 players in the game and 1 player missing it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in 8 days

Side note:
Excellent MODing SCK in a PITA game no doubt!
Thanks for putting up w/ us all.
Should this be postponed before I post next - Merry Christmas all.
Be w/ your family and not here.

[mtamburini]

Tuffy to respond to why I didnt ask to replace ragot is because he became more active when we pressured him. His defense for himself was awful he definitely shouldve claimed his role there and I would've unvoted immediately.

Now onto kill, I will not be changing my vote. I didnt ask people for a list of GUARANTEED mafia. I just asked for a list of you would should which means someone or some people you think are mafia.

One of the best ways to catch mafia is when someone counter claims a role, or when someone makes a mistake in posting by ways of contradicting themselves.

If your town I'm sorry, maybe things will change when you claim your role but for now you are my top suspect.

[King Edward 3rd]

As much as I'll miss all of your smiling faces, I won't have visions of dead bodies & dark allies dancing in my head. I will miss the coffee & doughnuts, but I'll be enjoying two little princess's dancing for me on Christmas !!!!! So have a great Christmas & enjoy the special times with family & remember those times are priceless

[Killuminati19]

Tuffy to respond to why I didnt ask to replace ragot is because he became more active when we pressured him. His defense for himself was awful he definitely shouldve claimed his role there and I would've unvoted immediately.

Now onto kill, I will not be changing my vote. I didnt ask people for a list of GUARANTEED mafia. I just asked for a list of you would should which means someone or some people you think are mafia.

One of the best ways to catch mafia is when someone counter claims a role, or when someone makes a mistake in posting by ways of contradicting themselves.

If your town I'm sorry, maybe things will change when you claim your role but for now you are my top suspect.

I think you have become my top suspect mtam. Argue all you want, but I have sufficiently explained myself to be a townie. You still vote me to be lynched. You have provided the biggest tell of the game so far in my view.

[mtamburini]

And what tell is that ? That I called you out for making a mistake and your defence was just you writing in upper case letters that your town? IMO that doesn't not make you town at all. I for one have been starting up conversations making both quiet and active people talk about the game trying to get reads off what they wrote and you are the first one that has slipped up. I'll consider believing you when you claim your role is you even decide to.

Your accusation against me is simply because I think your scummy I must be scum? You won't even look from my point of view how what you wrote looks scummy!

[Killuminati19]

Your point of view makes no sense mtam. I am happy to lay our cards on the table. I am a mason brother, what role are you exactly?

[TuffyLess]

ok Kill.
That seems like a safe role to pick if you were mafia playing in disguise of Town so who knows.?.

GMEOH as well Tuf....kinda shady.

You said this when I implicated Kill.
You've voted archer & archer has voted you.

archer has had a hard-on for you since the gitgo though ...
He has said why - because you talk[ed] to much overcompensating & a few shady posts.
Must agree w/ him on the latter but its not overwhelming just yet i guess.

Voting for yourself and holding as long you did was risky - no matter your alignment.
This is especially true if there are 2+ families since each would be wild cards to the other and all townies are wildcards to both (because the other family would think of us as either/or).

Should there in fact be 3rd parties out there ... only muddies the water more.
hmm ...


Im still landing on voting Aka off the island because of his RL injury though - not 100% firm.
If so - Best case scenario is Aka will have been same family as crasp; worst is a towine power roll.

I dont want to kick the stool now out from under Kills feet just yet but the noose around the neck still needs tied tight.

[mtamburini]

ok Kill.
That seems like a safe role to pick if you were mafia playing in disguise of Town so who knows.?..

I actually disagree Tuffy. I actually think that would be a tough role to pull off later down the road if he is lying. If he is telling the truth, this makes the game a lot easier for town, I will not come out with my role just yet but if all goes well tomorrow then if i did the math correctly we will have a town win on day 5 or 6.

I unvote and trust that what I was pinning you on was just a genuine mistake on your part kill in the postings, but IGMEOY later days because its easy to slip up with that role if you are lying.

Now how many brothers do you have with you? Do NOT tell me who they are, just how many.

[Killuminati19]

Now how many brothers do you have with you? Do NOT tell me who they are, just how many.[/quote]

One

[Killuminati19]

And writing I am not mafia in all caps was not my explanation for the contradiction. The explanation followed the all caps.

[mtamburini]

And writing I am not mafia in all caps was not my explanation for the contradiction. The explanation followed the all caps.

No need to defend yourself anymore I have you on my glossies for now. We can keep arguing about how your defence was not all that great if you want but that's what mafia wants two townies fighting to try and get eachother lynched so they don't have to.

I'm not sure where to pursue from here now cause I was sure you were mafia until you claimed so I'm kinda back to square one. I will take a look at my notes and look for anything that pops out to me but since we are on a break until January, no one will be really defending themselves or looking here so I think I will post once more until then a list of suspicion and list of probable townies.

[Gabsensei]

since i was on kill and he finaly called his role i will unvote and go for Check who was always posting post irelevant to the game when we were trying to find out what was happening so vote check

[King Edward 3rd]

As I walk down the street this cold morning to the doughnut shop for my coffee, I notice how many dead Christmas trees are at the curb. It makes me think how nice the holidays were, But the cold hard facts is that in a little while next to those x-mas trees will be some dead bodies. So who wants to join me at the doughnut shop to try & figure things out.

[CHECK-M8]

Lets go figure something out.

[Cump Sherman]

First, I want to say Happy New Year to all my townies whom I did not see at the various parties. I hope all of you had a wonderful holiday. But for those of you that I did not see, I was wondering where you were and what you were doing. Really wondering what you were doing. Possibly planning something bad for us?

I have been doing a lot of thinking between eating, drinking, visiting, and all those other holiday tasks.
My mind keeps coming back to DB4 voting for himself back on P.18 and not getting enough votes to hang. I asked him to explain this back on P.22 and never got a response. I even asked again on P.23. Hard to image the scum not jumping on the chance to hang a townie when only 1 vote was needed, and it's hard for me to accept that all the scum had already voted for one person at that point. And when DB4 had 9 votes, all the other votes were only 1 each. I know how this is going to be accepted by the mafia. And if I'm right on the target, I will get a bunch of votes for myself.

Sorry. DB4. I thought you were good but your lack of response has convinced me you had really pulled the wool over my eyes.
Vote DB4Christ

[SiriusCowKing]

Day 2 vote count:
archer3base - DB4Christ
CHECK-M8 - Gabsensei
DB4Christ - justplay4fun, qbert68, archer3base, Cump Sherman
Elsuper bano - King Edward 3rd, Killuminati19
Killuminati19 - CHECK-M8
King Edward 3rd - Elsuper bano


With 15 players in the game and 1 player missing it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Since we just came back from the holidays I will give 1 more day to the deadline. Deadline is in 8 days instead of 7

[Killuminati19]

Before and during the holidays, I tried to get mtam to give off a tell. mtam passed the test and I am convinced mtam is a townie.

I had long suspected DB4, but his chatter has led me to believe he is also a townie. I am still suspicious, but not as suspicious as I am of Vote CheckM8

This guy has been rambling the whole game, and his reason for voting me was something to the effect of "With a name like killuminati he has to be killed".

[DB4Christ]

Here was and is my explanation Cump >

I have not unvoted myself as my choice. If my death will help show the rest of you the error of your methods, save fellow innocent townsman from befalling the same fate.....let it be. I only ask one thing in return, after you realize that this method is flawed, and find and eliminate the real SCUM, bury me in the town square and erect a statue over me. Let the epitaph read:
Here lies DB4, we know not what we hung him for. He went to the gallows of our own election, when all he seeked was the towns protection.
On his head we placed a bounty, realizing too late he was townie. With a six foot neck and a purple tongue, he whispered his last...."Get The Scum"!

Not sure what else your looking for??? I agree with Mtamb on Kill for now. I am sticking with my vote.

[Cump Sherman]

Maybe DB4, but my brain keeps telling me that no normal person would vote for themselves when only 2 more votes would hang them. That is way, way to close. Unless you were sure the last votes would never happen. And if you lived thru it, you would be safe for the rest of the game.

[DB4Christ]

Well Cump O'Buddy.....I'm not normal, thought you knew that! Think what you want.....my position and explanation stand.

[SiriusCowKing]

Day 2 vote count:
archer3base - DB4Christ
CHECK-M8 - Gabsensei, Killuminati19
DB4Christ - justplay4fun, qbert68, archer3base, Cump Sherman
Elsuper bano - King Edward 3rd
Killuminati19 - CHECK-M8
King Edward 3rd - Elsuper bano


With 15 players in the game and 1 player missing it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in 8 days

[CHECK-M8]

I unvote Killuminati19his explanation seems legit to me.

[CHECK-M8]

I am a townie with a pretty big role, although I don't have a clue as to how to use it for good yet. I don't mind claiming but I will be out of the game on the next day if I do. If I get to -3 I will claim. Not sure I am much help to the town any way. I have no clue as to who is what.