[UNKNOWN] Mafia Day 5 - The Disappearance [Abandoned]

by **TheSaxlad** on Sun May 22, 2011 4:02 am

I would just like to put a spanner in the shakespearian works here.

I am Pikachu... This could almost be a fircoal game.

by **got tonkaed** on Sun May 22, 2011 7:25 am

Welp...

I think there is a little bit of metagamming inflexibility going on in the thread right now. From what appears to have happened, it seems like Rodian was the first person to acknowledge what is a pretty open theme (seemingly at least). Now if I had to guess id say his first stab was nothing more than an issue of circumstance, anyone who would have posted concerning only a shakespeare theme would have been jumped on.

Most of the players werent talking about the theme however, they were discussing the lover mechanic, which makes very little sense considering how different the two dead are in terms of alignment.

I think Rodian's second prod also adds slightly more information to the town at a manageable amount of risk. Should we assume Joan of Arc is involved (and it would make some degree of sense) warring religious movements may be involved in some capacity.

However, because of these assertions, which would seem to be very unlikely based on role ability only, people jump down Rodian's throat. For what reason, I am not really sure, as he has been the only one trying to clear some of the air in regards to the theme, which is probably very important in a game like this one, where if the Templar's are a cult or there is another different cult, it will only take 3 to 4 days before there is a serious problem.

Besides we have no clue who the read baddies are yet, and while it is possible Rodian is some kind of mafia godfather, that seems pretty unlikely to me at the moment.

@edoc - why would the Templar's have to be town?

by **edocsil** on Sun May 22, 2011 9:58 am

got tonkaed wrote:@edoc - why would the Templar's have to be town?

I explicitly said that they are NOT town. I however doubt they are a threat to the town.

by **got tonkaed** on Sun May 22, 2011 11:04 am

edocsil wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:@edoc - why would the Templar's have to be town?

I explicitly said that they are NOT town. I however doubt they are a threat to the town.

my mistake, thanks for the correction.

Do we have any idea of who we think the baddies would be? I've seen Rodian discuss things like Dracula or Frankenstein's monster which make sense, but those would seem to be more of one off threats as opposed to a main anti-town faction.

by **edocsil** on Sun May 22, 2011 11:49 am

got tonkaed wrote:
edocsil wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:@edoc - why would the Templar's have to be town?

I explicitly said that they are NOT town. I however doubt they are a threat to the town.

my mistake, thanks for the correction.

Do we have any idea of who we think the baddies would be? I've seen Rodian discuss things like Dracula or Frankenstein's monster which make sense, but those would seem to be more of one off threats as opposed to a main anti-town faction.

Nothing conclusive. Shadows. Can we have a deadline?

by **got tonkaed** on Sun May 22, 2011 12:09 pm

I can safely say I cannot really figure out how something like Pikachu could be oriented towards town.

by **strike wolf** on Sun May 22, 2011 12:20 pm

Well I have to agree I do not see how pikachu fits in. Everyone else has at least hinted at a character that would be well before pokemon. This is either a bad move for a townie to make or an ill thought scum remark.

by **targetman377** on Sun May 22, 2011 1:05 pm

maybe we are just thinking too much into this and this is a traditional mafia game!!! that is said unknown for the fact of what IT might do to town?

that's all i am saying i think the Templar might be some sort of 3 party fraction but Seeing as how they have not yet killed i feel the more important matter is the shadow who killed.

for if the 3rd party fraction is the knights they are already injured by the mafia Town is still good (well besides the lovers) who if for the sake of assumption are both good.

but that is just my thoughts on all of this!

by **freezie** on Sun May 22, 2011 3:05 pm

strike wolf wrote:Well I have to agree I do not see how pikachu fits in. Everyone else has at least hinted at a character that would be well before pokemon. This is either a bad move for a townie to make or an ill thought scum remark.

Or a stupid joke from sax....

by **edocsil** on Sun May 22, 2011 3:41 pm

strike wolf wrote:Well I have to agree I do not see how pikachu fits in. Everyone else has at least hinted at a character that would be well before pokemon. This is either a bad move for a townie to make or an ill thought scum remark.

Surely you saw it was joke, albeit a stupid one?

by **strike wolf** on Sun May 22, 2011 3:49 pm

I stick by what I said joke or not.

by **DoomYoshi** on Sun May 22, 2011 3:59 pm

It didn't seem like a joke to me...

by **Commander9** on Sun May 22, 2011 4:01 pm

edocsil wrote:Nothing conclusive. Shadows. Can we have a deadline?

Yes. Deadline is June 5th.

by **Commander9** on Sun May 22, 2011 4:05 pm

Vote Count

safariguy5 (3) - Target, Yoshi, ndrs
freezie
pancakemix (1) - Edoc
Streaker
ndrs
Edocsil
vioiet
targetman377
TheSaxlad
naxus
Iliad
DoomYoshi
gimli
Rodion (6) - Streaker, freezie, gimli, Strike Wolf, PCM, Iliad
blakebowling
jeraado
sheepofdumb
ShaggyDan
nagerous
Strike Wolf
Fircoal
Bleed_Green (2) - Rodion, naxus
Namliam

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch. Deadline on May 5th.

by **DoomYoshi** on Sun May 22, 2011 4:05 pm

Why are so many people looking for a deadline? Edoc, Gimli, I am asking you.

by **Rodion** on Sun May 22, 2011 4:09 pm

Commander9 wrote:Vote Count

safariguy5 (3) - Target, Yoshi, ndrs
freezie
pancakemix (1) - Edoc
Streaker
ndrs
Edocsil
vioiet
targetman377
TheSaxlad
naxus
Iliad
DoomYoshi
gimli
Rodion (5) - Streaker, freezie, gimli, Strike Wolf, PCM,
blakebowling
jeraado
sheepofdumb
ShaggyDan
nagerous
Strike Wolf
Fircoal
Bleed_Green (2) - Rodion, naxus
Namliam

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch. Deadline on May 5th.

Iliad also voted on me.

by **Commander9** on Sun May 22, 2011 4:12 pm

Rodion wrote:Iliad also voted on me.

Fixed. Obrigado.

by **strike wolf** on Sun May 22, 2011 4:16 pm

While I am not sure I approve I do understand why. A lot of people have been kind of sticking towards the back of discussion and are at best only popping up to make quick remarks if not completely submarining. Some people have mentioned frankenstein as a villain and while I have never read the book (sadly) wasn't he just misunderstood not necessarily evil?

by **safariguy5** on Sun May 22, 2011 4:57 pm

strike wolf wrote:While I am not sure I approve I do understand why. A lot of people have been kind of sticking towards the back of discussion and are at best only popping up to make quick remarks if not completely submarining. Some people have mentioned frankenstein as a villain and while I have never read the book (sadly) wasn't he just misunderstood not necessarily evil?

Possibly due to the fact that some sort of shadow that I interpreted as Dracula made other people assume we would have some sort of monster themed mafia/skers. Frankenstein seems a lot more miller like to me, Wolfman or Mummy or even the Swamp Thing would be more likely mafia candidates.

by **targetman377** on Sun May 22, 2011 11:40 pm

see i disagree i Do not think the mafia is a member of some fictitious order i think all the people here are real people! Well to the extant that they are people! not vampires and where wolfs. Maybe it really is Count Dracula the infamous leader I would much rather think if it was him his name would be Vlad the 3rd impaler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_the_Impaler

he is information on the count.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Dracula
(he also is in sesame street)

I think this game is spread out over a long period of time But who knows speculating about this stuff to me seems pointless though as we do not know each others names and even if we all came to a conclusion on the theme then tried mafia/ 3rd party to name claim they would lie cause we already know the theme of the thread so you would see a lot of fake claims. Tell me if i am wrong here? in this thinking?

by **Rodion** on Mon May 23, 2011 12:18 am

targetman377 wrote:I think this game is spread out over a long period of time But who knows speculating about this stuff to me seems pointless though as we do not know each others names and even if we all came to a conclusion on the theme then tried mafia/ 3rd party to name claim they would lie cause we already know the theme of the thread so you would see a lot of fake claims. Tell me if i am wrong here? in this thinking?

I think you are correct. And good fakeclaims can already be made as nobody can precisely determine the theme in order to spot the difference between a fakeclaim and a real one. That's why I think people overreacted when I made the "Joan of Arc?" question.

by **got tonkaed** on Mon May 23, 2011 12:21 am

Was there much of a connection between AOG and anyone of note? Obviously AOG attracted some kind of attention during D1, but if memory serves me right that was more for his voting pattern/ people bandwagoning than anything else.

by **Rodion** on Mon May 23, 2011 12:23 am

Rodion wrote:
targetman377 wrote:I think this game is spread out over a long period of time But who knows speculating about this stuff to me seems pointless though as we do not know each others names and even if we all came to a conclusion on the theme then tried mafia/ 3rd party to name claim they would lie cause we already know the theme of the thread so you would see a lot of fake claims. Tell me if i am wrong here? in this thinking?

I think you are correct. And good fakeclaims can already be made as nobody can precisely determine the theme in order to spot the difference between a fakeclaim and a real one. That's why I think people overreacted when I made the "Joan of Arc?" question.

EBWOP: just making it clear that the above shows my disbelief in the way people have been thinking names are a good way for detecting town (and its PRs) and mafia.

by **safariguy5** on Mon May 23, 2011 12:42 am

got tonkaed wrote:Was there much of a connection between AOG and anyone of note? Obviously AOG attracted some kind of attention during D1, but if memory serves me right that was more for his voting pattern/ people bandwagoning than anything else.

Yeah, I think it was more his own actions rather than association with someone.

by **Streaker** on Mon May 23, 2011 12:57 am

Man, this hasn't been easy to read up on. If I got this right, we should be able to cut a good deal out of the last few pages. The discussion between Rodion vs everyone wasn't actually worth reading. Just page after page of same opinions and defence. With a bit of metagaming here, I think we can say it's just Rodion who will stand behind his own opinions with his life.

This does not mean, however, that the reasons that caused the discussion aren't worth anything. Case still stands that Rodion has been cleverly pushing for information.

First he went after a name, stating clearly that he would GUARANTEE a solid case. After a bit of discussion, I noticed a lot of WIFOM in his thinking, and he would have found Bleed guilty one way or the other. The thing about it, is that he would probably have gotten away with it, if Rodion was able to make his actual case. The fact that he had to explain himself made matters bad for him.

Gimli comes into play, and Rodion immediatly starts nudging towards a claim, albeit without actually asking.

All in all, it's a lot of fishing going on. The possibility of trying to figure flavour out doesn't work here, as there are plenty of other paths to follow regarding flavour.

For now, it's enough to keep my vote on him.