[Official] Team CC Mafia [Finished]

[safariguy5]

Sax, do I get killed If the deadline hits and I have the most votes? or does it just go to night.Either way

Like I said, I got Busy in RL and so will now claim. I'm King Sam town investigator/tracker. N1 I got that pancakemix is innocent and did nothing. Last night I got that gilligan is a recruited third party and didn't go anywhere. I was going to try and build a case on gilligan but he hasn't done anything really scummy for me to use

DONT KILL ME

Nope...I'm still what I was the first day. What would you like; role or moderator?

G

Both.

I'm Evil Semp, the Town Cop.
G

Can I please get some more clarification from a more experienced player about this. If naxus claims that he was to be recruited by the cult and if he says who is with the role of a cop.. Would a cop have the abilities to do anything against a third party.. I am still trying to learn what all a third party can bring to the game.

If you're talking about whether third party show up as innocent or guilty in alignment under investigation, then it depends on the mod. Usually, a third party anti town role will show up as guilty while a neutral role like survivor comes up innocent. Still depends on the mod.

Do we have enough time to get enough votes to switch though?

unvote vote Gilligan

[Gilligan]

Any particular reason why it's me over naxus, safariguy5?

G

[pancakemix]

Because if you are recruited, it costs us nothing (I believe Sax removes role powers upon recruitment based on Albarezzi). If we lynch him, we lose an investigator and then we have to kill you.

And if you really were a cop, you'd have given your results immediately.

Unvote (if needed) vote Gilligan

[Gilligan]

And if you really were a cop, you'd have given your results immediately.

Unvote (if needed) vote Gilligan

That's different from a tracker...How?

G

[naxus]

It didnt say innocent or guilty, just recruited third party. That makes me assume that its for the freestanding cult.

Vote gilligan btw

[safariguy5]

And if you really were a cop, you'd have given your results immediately.

Unvote (if needed) vote Gilligan

That's different from a tracker...How?

G

Tracker only sees who one person visits, not that person's alignment. Therefore a possible result of tracking someone is that he didn't go anywhere, not particularly useful.

[Gilligan]

And if you really were a cop, you'd have given your results immediately.

Unvote (if needed) vote Gilligan

That's different from a tracker...How?

G

Tracker only sees who one person visits, not that person's alignment. Therefore a possible result of tracking someone is that he didn't go anywhere, not particularly useful.

He said, straight out, that I am a third party (According to his reports). What do you think took him so long to out these reports? As far as I play, cop doesn't out till he needs to or if he has scum.

G

[safariguy5]

And if you really were a cop, you'd have given your results immediately.

Unvote (if needed) vote Gilligan

That's different from a tracker...How?

G

Tracker only sees who one person visits, not that person's alignment. Therefore a possible result of tracking someone is that he didn't go anywhere, not particularly useful.

He said, straight out, that I am a third party (According to his reports). What do you think took him so long to out these reports? As far as I play, cop doesn't out till he needs to or if he has scum.

G

Probably because he was 1 vote from being lynched. A dead cop can't help at all.

[Gilligan]

And if you really were a cop, you'd have given your results immediately.

Unvote (if needed) vote Gilligan

That's different from a tracker...How?

G

Tracker only sees who one person visits, not that person's alignment. Therefore a possible result of tracking someone is that he didn't go anywhere, not particularly useful.

He said, straight out, that I am a third party (According to his reports). What do you think took him so long to out these reports? As far as I play, cop doesn't out till he needs to or if he has scum.

G

Probably because he was 1 vote from being lynched. A dead cop can't help at all.

So let's lynch the cop! Yayayayayayay!

G

[Rodion]

Because if you are recruited, it costs us nothing (I believe Sax removes role powers upon recruitment based on Albarezzi). If we lynch him, we lose an investigator and then we have to kill you.

And if you really were a cop, you'd have given your results immediately.

Unvote (if needed) vote Gilligan

Something doesn't add up: Naxus' claim + Gilligan's claim + PCM's quote imply that:

A - Gilligan investigated.
B - Naxus investigated.
C - Cult recruited Gilligan, but Gilligan lost his powers upon recruitment.

What's the correct order of actions here?

If Gilligan lost his powers upon recruitment, he investigated before being recruited, so "A before C". If Naxus investigated and knew Gilligan joined the cult, he investigated after the cult recruitment, so "C before B". The order means someone investigated, then someone recruited, then someone else investigated. Why would an investigation happen before a recruitment and another after it? I think mechanics either have all investigations happen before the recruiment or after it.

Could someone possibly help with an expert analysis on mafia night actions mechanics?

[Rodion]

After posting I've realized it's possible that Gilligan was N1's recruitment, not N2 (N2 is the vig). Still, if Gilligan lost his powers on N1, he didn't get to investigate at all.

For now, unvote Naxus.

[naxus]

And if you really were a cop, you'd have given your results immediately.

Unvote (if needed) vote Gilligan

That's different from a tracker...How?

G

Tracker only sees who one person visits, not that person's alignment. Therefore a possible result of tracking someone is that he didn't go anywhere, not particularly useful.

He said, straight out, that I am a third party (According to his reports). What do you think took him so long to out these reports? As far as I play, cop doesn't out till he needs to or if he has scum.

G

Probably because he was 1 vote from being lynched. A dead cop can't help at all.

That and I didn't come out earlier because 1.I found pancake innocent and would have only come out to save him or 2. I wasn't sure of all the cult things going on and didn't want to to be targeted by anyone

[safariguy5]

Because if you are recruited, it costs us nothing (I believe Sax removes role powers upon recruitment based on Albarezzi). If we lynch him, we lose an investigator and then we have to kill you.

And if you really were a cop, you'd have given your results immediately.

Unvote (if needed) vote Gilligan

Something doesn't add up: Naxus' claim + Gilligan's claim + PCM's quote imply that:

A - Gilligan investigated.
B - Naxus investigated.
C - Cult recruited Gilligan, but Gilligan lost his powers upon recruitment.

What's the correct order of actions here?

If Gilligan lost his powers upon recruitment, he investigated before being recruited, so "A before C". If Naxus investigated and knew Gilligan joined the cult, he investigated after the cult recruitment, so "C before B". The order means someone investigated, then someone recruited, then someone else investigated. Why would an investigation happen before a recruitment and another after it? I think mechanics either have all investigations happen before the recruiment or after it.

Could someone possibly help with an expert analysis on mafia night actions mechanics?

I usually have my night actions execute simultaneously. That means that he would be able to get his investigation result, but also be recruited. Again though, this may differ from mod to mod.

[Commander9]

Lynching an inactive is retarded. All you are doing is lowering town numbers. Cult would not have recruited an inactive.
vote safariguy
Tbh, i don't like the options for this lynch at all. No one is scummy enough to deserve a lynch. However, given the town's current dilemma with the cult, we have to lynch someone. Sorry safariguy but my vote is on you. I would be surprised if you turned up scum/cult, but theres no time or enough evidence for anyone else.

This is pretty much what I've said - 100% agreed.

Sax, do I get killed If the deadline hits and I have the most votes? or does it just go to night.Either way

Like I said, I got Busy in RL and so will now claim. I'm King Sam town investigator/tracker. N1 I got that pancakemix is innocent and did nothing. Last night I got that gilligan is a recruited third party and didn't go anywhere. I was going to try and build a case on gilligan but he hasn't done anything really scummy for me to use

DONT KILL ME

Looks somewhat legit. As Mr. Squirrel said - if all of this doesn't add up, I'm fine with Naxus going down.

@ Rodion:

I think it doesn't add up because I'm 95% sure that one of them is lying (perhaps both). For now, Naxus claim looks much better than Gilligan's, so from what I assumed it looks like one of them is right. If we get Gilligan and it turns out that he's been honest and Naxus was lying, we NK Naxus.

And I am not buying Gilligan's claim - unvote. Vote Gilligan.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Why would naxus fakeclaim a cop? If he wasn't who he said he was, why would he claim it? A less important town role would have been much more discrete. Obviously the real cop would come forward and then either naxus would be immediately lynched, or he would be NK'd.

On the other hand, Gilligan has all the reason in the world to claim cop. Because he was declared as culty, the only claim he could give that would discredit naxus is a cop claim. I think gilligan is lying. My vote stays.

If for some reason, naxus is lying, we can easily take care of him tonight. But i doubt it.

[Commander9]

Why would naxus fakeclaim a cop? If he wasn't who he said he was, why would he claim it? A less important town role would have been much more discrete. Obviously the real cop would come forward and then either naxus would be immediately lynched, or he would be NK'd.

On the other hand, Gilligan has all the reason in the world to claim cop. Because he was declared as culty, the only claim he could give that would discredit naxus is a cop claim. I think gilligan is lying. My vote stays.

If for some reason, naxus is lying, we can easily take care of him tonight. But i doubt it.

IF he is from cult, he could lie just to get counterclaimed by a cop. If he's just a regular cult goon, it makes all the sense in the world to sacrifice a goon for town's cop. I mean, I don't think his claim is fake, but I can definitely see reasons why he'd claim cop.

[Rodion]

I'm trying to match the pieces of the puzzle, looking for the odd one out.

I don't get Naxus using his N1 action on PCM. PCM (Masli, Town Busdriver) counterclaimed a mafia. I had him as 95% pro-town and I certainly wouldn't have "wasted" my investigating NA on him (I'd have tried Shield or Firth).

This is however, the only problem I have with Naxus' claim.

I'm still fairly certain that PCM is town and I think we have a good way of knowing whether Naxus told the truth. It lies in your hands, PCM.

PCM, please confirm if you really didn't use your night action on N1.

[naxus]

I'm trying to match the pieces of the puzzle, looking for the odd one out.

I don't get Naxus using his N1 action on PCM. PCM (Masli, Town Busdriver) counterclaimed a mafia. I had him as 95% pro-town and I certainly wouldn't have "wasted" my investigating NA on him (I'd have tried Shield or Firth).

This is however, the only problem I have with Naxus' claim.

I'm still fairly certain that PCM is town and I think we have a good way of knowing whether Naxus told the truth. It lies in your hands, PCM.

PCM, please confirm if you really didn't use your night action on N1.

Looking back at my results they only say Investigation results. Without anything else being said, I assumed that they didn't go anywhere but Mod error could be present(Dont kill me for thinking it saxlad old boy)

One of the constrictions of my role was that whoever I chose to investigate was also my tracking target.

[Rodion]

Why would naxus fakeclaim a cop? If he wasn't who he said he was, why would he claim it? A less important town role would have been much more discrete. Obviously the real cop would come forward and then either naxus would be immediately lynched, or he would be NK'd.

On the other hand, Gilligan has all the reason in the world to claim cop. Because he was declared as culty, the only claim he could give that would discredit naxus is a cop claim. I think gilligan is lying. My vote stays.

If for some reason, naxus is lying, we can easily take care of him tonight. But i doubt it.

IF he is from cult, he could lie just to get counterclaimed by a cop. If he's just a regular cult goon, it makes all the sense in the world to sacrifice a goon for town's cop. I mean, I don't think his claim is fake, but I can definitely see reasons why he'd claim cop.

Also makes sense if Naxus is from mafia. He'd delay his death and kill a town/cult. If he were lucky enough to kill a cult, he'd get town credit and have the mafia in a much better position. If counterclaimed, at least he got to unsmask the real cop for his mafia comrades.

I'm waiting on PCM's post.

[naxus]

Why would naxus fakeclaim a cop? If he wasn't who he said he was, why would he claim it? A less important town role would have been much more discrete. Obviously the real cop would come forward and then either naxus would be immediately lynched, or he would be NK'd.

On the other hand, Gilligan has all the reason in the world to claim cop. Because he was declared as culty, the only claim he could give that would discredit naxus is a cop claim. I think gilligan is lying. My vote stays.

If for some reason, naxus is lying, we can easily take care of him tonight. But i doubt it.

IF he is from cult, he could lie just to get counterclaimed by a cop. If he's just a regular cult goon, it makes all the sense in the world to sacrifice a goon for town's cop. I mean, I don't think his claim is fake, but I can definitely see reasons why he'd claim cop.

Also makes sense if Naxus is from mafia. He'd delay his death and kill a town/cult. If he were lucky enough to kill a cult, he'd get town credit and have the mafia in a much better position. If counterclaimed, at least he got to unsmask the real cop for his mafia comrades.

I'm waiting on PCM's post.

If I was mafia/cult, I wouldn't take the risk of trying to out the cop because the protective roles are still alive meaning It would reveal the cop but he'd still be heavily protected while mafia/cult would lose a member unnessacarily

[pancakemix]

I swapped myself with firth on N1. This is consistent with naxus' claim as firth wouldn't have gone anywhere (excepting the off-chance that he would've come up as having visited Haggis, which I doubt).

[Rodion]

Why would naxus fakeclaim a cop? If he wasn't who he said he was, why would he claim it? A less important town role would have been much more discrete. Obviously the real cop would come forward and then either naxus would be immediately lynched, or he would be NK'd.

On the other hand, Gilligan has all the reason in the world to claim cop. Because he was declared as culty, the only claim he could give that would discredit naxus is a cop claim. I think gilligan is lying. My vote stays.

If for some reason, naxus is lying, we can easily take care of him tonight. But i doubt it.

IF he is from cult, he could lie just to get counterclaimed by a cop. If he's just a regular cult goon, it makes all the sense in the world to sacrifice a goon for town's cop. I mean, I don't think his claim is fake, but I can definitely see reasons why he'd claim cop.

Also makes sense if Naxus is from mafia. He'd delay his death and kill a town/cult. If he were lucky enough to kill a cult, he'd get town credit and have the mafia in a much better position. If counterclaimed, at least he got to unsmask the real cop for his mafia comrades.

I'm waiting on PCM's post.

If I was mafia/cult, I wouldn't take the risk of trying to out the cop because the protective roles are still alive meaning It would reveal the cop but he'd still be heavily protected while mafia/cult would lose a member unnessacarily

Or would you? You were scheduled to die anyway, so why not at least force a claim? It's better than allowing the cop to claim whenever he pleases.

Still, relax, this is just speculation.

My opinion will rely on PCM's confirmation of having refrained to use his bus driving on N1.

[Commander9]

If I was mafia/cult, I wouldn't take the risk of trying to out the cop because the protective roles are still alive meaning It would reveal the cop but he'd still be heavily protected while mafia/cult would lose a member unnessacarily

I agree with Naxus here - if you're down to 2 or 3 members (I can't imagine the mafia being more than 4 or 5 players), you will not oust yourself to just get a cop because you're already extremely thin.

[Rodion]

If I was mafia/cult, I wouldn't take the risk of trying to out the cop because the protective roles are still alive meaning It would reveal the cop but he'd still be heavily protected while mafia/cult would lose a member unnessacarily

I agree with Naxus here - if you're down to 2 or 3 members (I can't imagine the mafia being more than 4 or 5 players), you will not oust yourself to just get a cop because you're already extremely thin.

Let's assume that he is mafia, then.

Well, Naxus was at L-1. He was forced to claim. He had to fakeclaim a pro-town role. He had big chances of a real townie counterclaiming and getting him lynched anyway. Agree with me so far?

Why not reveal the cop, then?

Makes sense in my head.

[Commander9]

Let's assume that he is mafia, then.

Well, Naxus was at L-1. He was forced to claim. He had to fakeclaim a pro-town role. He had big chances of a real townie counterclaiming and getting him lynched anyway. Agree with me so far?

Why not reveal the cop, then?

Makes sense in my head.

Because claiming cop is very suicidal. Yes, he counter-claims cop and gets him down and then gets killed... That doesn't do much good for the mafia as now they're pretty much completely fucked and lost even the smallest chances to win (cult would likely win in this scenario). A good player would try to fake a lesser role which could work out (and I think that mafia members aren't just goon in this, but that's just my sophisticated guess) and he could survive. A survivor would likely be a good claim for at least a while. Of course, I understand where you are coming from and I can't completely rule it out, but I would be extremely surprised to see Naxus turning up to be mafia.