[Official] Choose Your Own Mafia - TOWN WINS

[Army of GOD]

Also found this post while reviewing:

Mod question for you. Lets say last two standing are bomb and SK. Who wins if the SK targets the Bomb during a night action?

I just reviewed all the win conditions, and I will say that in the specific case of SK vs bomb, the bomb's faction would win.

I hope the bomb lasts long enough to make this happen.

so...are you saying you're the bomb...?

[Streaker]

Also found this post while reviewing:

Mod question for you. Lets say last two standing are bomb and SK. Who wins if the SK targets the Bomb during a night action?

I just reviewed all the win conditions, and I will say that in the specific case of SK vs bomb, the bomb's faction would win.

I hope the bomb lasts long enough to make this happen.

so...are you saying you're the bomb...?

-_- ...seriously?

1) How do you derive my 'claim' from that post? And you consider it likely I'd claim bomb a day after it exploded?
2) That's all you have to say about my post?

[benga]

I pointed out to mitch, cause I think both mets and end are town.
And think somewhere down the road wing pointed out mitch as scummy.
Can't really scroll down the whole thread now, will find it later

[Streaker]

I pointed out to mitch, cause I think both mets and end are town.
And think somewhere down the road wing pointed out mitch as scummy.
Can't really scroll down the whole thread now, will find it later

I agree on end, but what makes you consider mets as town? Not saying I read him as scum, but what makes you read him as town?

[Marashu]

DAILY VOTE COUNT

AoG: madmitch
madmitch: AoG
Benga: subtleknifewield
HotShot: Endgame, Streaker

not voting: Mets, Tim, Pixar, sausage, Hotshot, benga

Deadline is Saturday, Oct 10, at 1000CCT. With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

[*Pixar*]

Also the only living player wing expressed that he thought might be scum is pix.
Not real sure what to make of pix myself but throwing it out there.

this is true pixar seemed a little supprised that "so many" died think he was thinking how did the skum kills get stopped

Tim is so trying to stretch out cases on everyone, and terrible cases if any lol

[Whatsausage]

If any scum had their kill stopped, they should come forward and say who they targeted and then we could figure out what exactly happened.

lol I hope this was a joke...

hmmm sausage was that a typo why would skum come out and say there kill was stpped would be silly way for them to die

It wasn't a typo, it was really a joke, obviously I don't expect any scum to claim to be scum, but you never know what you can talk someone into

Why wait? No one is just going to pop up out of nowhere, and it takes 6 votes to lynch.

why be so quick to wanna put votes out??? yah takes 6 to lynch but no need to put votes out only hours after d2 starts...
FOS @sausage

My thinking here is that if someone wants to place pressure, they should just go ahead and vote when there are this many players left alive. Because there is so much time left in the day, its not like it will immediately become a wagon, so it isn't risking a life, it is just applying some pressure to an end, instead of a weak "I'm looking at you if no one else comes out and screams scum"

If enough people vote for Hotshot, I a openly stating now, I am willing to put the hammer on him, and if anyone asks why, please refer to the post where I voted for Benga earlier on this page; I already gave a list of which he was only one of three which I was willing to vote for.

skw is making a jump here, from being willing to vote someone to being willing to be the hammer (without even clarifying if he would wait for a claim). I am torn on this, I'm not sure if it screams confident or scum. Right now I'm leaning confident, as it may be too bold of a move for scum to make. This put hotshot potentially at L-2, if we count skw's vote and the doublevoter is in on it, so anyone else voting hotshot should be aware of that. I think we should let him speak before more votes are placed.

[Metsfanmax]

There is one other post where he votes wing, but even that one has little to chew on.
This is the prime example of a scum trying to stear in the middle of a game. Not many posts, and the ones he makes are safe posts (not directly questioning/interogating/forming opinions). Apart from his vote on wing, he made 0 reads. If I missed a post when rereading, please correct me.
Questions to the mod, not enough time, not enough content to make reads on, 'seeing both side of cases'. Everything a scum says to appear active.

Vote HotShot

This isn't an argument for HS being scum, it's just an argument for HS appearing to be not being very invested in the game. Scum might do what you're saying, but that also might appear from people who just aren't following it that closely -- maybe they're busy in RL, maybe they're VT and just don't care much.

If Hotshot is really scum and we catch him for such a pedestrian reason as straight up bandwagoning, I'm going to be sorely disappointed in his play.

I can't help but feel a bit strange about mets' remark here. This feels like a scum telling his partner he's making a mistake.

This sounds silly. By the time I made this comment, the heat against HS already long been established, and he had already made the posts which were considered to be bandwagoning. I was simply remarking on the meta-aspect that HS isn't that bad of a player.

I'd say it's strange that you're twisting it this way, but a couple times before in this game you have specifically questioned why people read me as town, and made it sound as though you don't agree with that. Well, if you're going to make accusations, then actually make them instead of throwing side punches at me. But it had better be good, because while I was wrong on Epi, you were dead wrong on ptlowe and Wing as well. And when I asked you why you were so sure that there had to be a scum between Wing and Epi, you never responded, so I have my eyes on you right now.

[Metsfanmax]

Actually, I'm not going to beat around the bush. I'm the Cop. Last night I investigated Streaker, and the result returned mafia. I know that it's possible I got hit by the Tailor, but not super likely.

I claim now because, as the top draft pick, I am already at high risk of getting shot by scum within the next day or two (frankly I thought there was a decent possibility I would get killed last night). So I'd rather ensure that at least one scum goes down before that happens. Also, by identifying myself, I can attract the attention of the doctor and empowerer to help me (assuming those roles were chosen and are town). Of course, I also may be negating my role by opening myself up to a mafia roleblocker or jailkeeper. I didn't want to claim, but we can't afford another mislynch. Since Streaker is scum, that means HS is definitely not his scum partner, and while it's possible that HS is the other scum faction, it's more likely that Streaker is just pushing for the easiest mislynch he can support. It's important to have a guaranteed scum kill today.

Hopefully folks will be satisfied when Streaker flips scum, but in case this goes wrong for some reason (like I did get hit by the tailor) I invite the tracker to check me tonight if you want further proof.

[Metsfanmax]

Oh, and vote Streaker, obviously.

[madmitch]

@METS , I have found you quite honest and reasonable and will follow your lead unvote VOTE STREAKER

[Whatsausage]

So this is good enough for me. vote streaker I doubt that with two scum factions that mets would lie and risk outing himself this early.
Reasons to doubt:
1. Tailor is possible
2. Mets is the top overall pick and did survive the first night. Likely the scum either figured he was either the BP, would be protected, or would be targeted by the other scum and he wasn't targeted for a kill at all. But it is also possible that he is scum and is so surprised that he survived the first night and expects to get killed tonight, and wants to help his buddy while he can.

Number 2 is sort of a tin-foil hat theory, and it is even possible the mets would still be the cop and investigated streaker and found scum whether or not mets is scum. This way he would be able to draw protection to himself and town cred while eliminating half a threat.

I think lynching streaker is the best chance to take.

FP'd by mitch
So that makes 3 I think... we should give streaker a chance to speak before he is lynched.

[*Pixar*]

good job Mets! vote Streaker

[benga]

vote Streaker

[*Pixar*]

one more and he's lynched folks!

[Whatsausage]

Hold on: unvote

[*Pixar*]

Hold on: unvote

its simple mets is telling the truth, or if streaker turns up town, we lynch mets the next day

[Whatsausage]

Holy quick lynch guys.... Hopefully my unvote wasn't too late

If for nothing other than decency, we should let streaker speak before he is lynched: we have tons of time left in the day.
Also, I have a plan proposition.
We can spend the rest of the day scum hunting, and then either lynch someone else we find scummy and have tim try to kill streaker, or we can end up lynching streaker and maybe have tim kill someone else if we find it appropriate.

There are a couple things that could go wrong, we could mislynch, tim could not go along with it, or streaker could be protected somehow. But a mislynch is always a possibility, and I think better than going through another night without trying to scumhunt first.
If tim doesn't go along with it, it would throw some serious shade on him, so he would probably go along with it for no reason other than keeping up appearances.
If streaker survives the night, then we can always lynch him tomorrow and have a greater idea of what we are up against.

Thoughts? I am in favor of this

Fp'd by Pixar
No, not so simple. Because if that is the case, we trade two entire days of talking to lynch one scum. We have the ability to do so much more than quicklynch, because if streaker was tailored and we just go along with this plan, then we have pretty much decimated the entire town based off of a couple night actions

[Metsfanmax]

Holy quick lynch guys.... Hopefully my unvote wasn't too late

If for nothing other than decency, we should let streaker speak before he is lynched: we have tons of time left in the day.

I agree that Streaker should get a chance to say something, and I agree that we shouldn't immediately lynch when that just entails losing scum-hunting time. But if we are going to kill Streaker either way, I don't think it's very wise to let him live one more night, which will permit him to use whatever role he might have.

[benga]

so dakky targeted wing and mitch killed epi?

or tim killed epi

bit lost here

i killed noone but i guessing that dakky SK killed wing thus wing and dakky dead skum killed epi just a thought im supprised i livedd for the night

can we in the end trust Tims claim, why would he skip a chance
is he town or not?

[Metsfanmax]

so dakky targeted wing and mitch killed epi?

or tim killed epi

bit lost here

i killed noone but i guessing that dakky SK killed wing thus wing and dakky dead skum killed epi just a thought im supprised i livedd for the night

can we in the end trust Tims claim, why would he skip a chance
is he town or not?

Dude, go reread Day 1 and please stop commenting until you do.

[HotShot53]

Nice investigating mets.

Holy quick lynch guys.... Hopefully my unvote wasn't too late

If for nothing other than decency, we should let streaker speak before he is lynched: we have tons of time left in the day.
Also, I have a plan proposition.
We can spend the rest of the day scum hunting, and then either lynch someone else we find scummy and have tim try to kill streaker, or we can end up lynching streaker and maybe have tim kill someone else if we find it appropriate.

There are a couple things that could go wrong, we could mislynch, tim could not go along with it, or streaker could be protected somehow. But a mislynch is always a possibility, and I think better than going through another night without trying to scumhunt first.
If tim doesn't go along with it, it would throw some serious shade on him, so he would probably go along with it for no reason other than keeping up appearances.
If streaker survives the night, then we can always lynch him tomorrow and have a greater idea of what we are up against.

Thoughts? I am in favor of this

Fp'd by Pixar
No, not so simple. Because if that is the case, we trade two entire days of talking to lynch one scum. We have the ability to do so much more than quicklynch, because if streaker was tailored and we just go along with this plan, then we have pretty much decimated the entire town based off of a couple night actions

My first thought was that this was kind of fishy, sounds like trying to protect a scum mate and hope he slips through the cracks... but on second thought I would hope a scum buddy wouldn't be that obvious at defending a caught scum. And it's not even a half-bad idea, as it gives tim someone to shoot... although if there are things like a scum busdriver, that could backfire. Plus, it will be hard to convince people to not jump on the caught scum's wagon, so I expect streaker to get lynched in the end, but no reason to end the day quicker than necessary.

[subtleknifewield]

If any scum had their kill stopped, they should come forward and say who they targeted and then we could figure out what exactly happened.

lol I hope this was a joke...

hmmm sausage was that a typo why would skum come out and say there kill was stpped would be silly way for them to die

It wasn't a typo, it was really a joke, obviously I don't expect any scum to claim to be scum, but you never know what you can talk someone into

For the record, I got that it was a joke, though it is admittedly sometimes hard to read attitude from words on a screen, harder than in person.

Why wait? No one is just going to pop up out of nowhere, and it takes 6 votes to lynch.

why be so quick to wanna put votes out??? yah takes 6 to lynch but no need to put votes out only hours after d2 starts...
FOS @sausage

My thinking here is that if someone wants to place pressure, they should just go ahead and vote when there are this many players left alive. Because there is so much time left in the day, its not like it will immediately become a wagon, so it isn't risking a life, it is just applying some pressure to an end, instead of a weak "I'm looking at you if no one else comes out and screams scum"

I also happen to agree. There is nothing wrong with going ahead and voting to put pressure on a player you find scummy. Though I also agree with the later point you make, we should always give players a chance to defend themselves before hammering.

If enough people vote for Hotshot, I a openly stating now, I am willing to put the hammer on him, and if anyone asks why, please refer to the post where I voted for Benga earlier on this page; I already gave a list of which he was only one of three which I was willing to vote for.

skw is making a jump here, from being willing to vote someone to being willing to be the hammer (without even clarifying if he would wait for a claim). I am torn on this, I'm not sure if it screams confident or scum. Right now I'm leaning confident, as it may be too bold of a move for scum to make. This put hotshot potentially at L-2, if we count skw's vote and the doublevoter is in on it, so anyone else voting hotshot should be aware of that. I think we should let him speak before more votes are placed.

Oh, I have no intention of hammering before reading any defense he could make. But yeah, right now, I am confident he is scum. Or I was more so before I saw that Mets had claimed cop, anyway.

[subtleknifewield]

My thoughts on Mets' claim...lynch Streaker, then have Tim target Hotshot in the night, to cover our bases here. Even with that claim, I still am half-convinced of HS' scumminess.

[TimWoodbury]

Also the only living player wing expressed that he thought might be scum is pix.
Not real sure what to make of pix myself but throwing it out there.

this is true pixar seemed a little supprised that "so many" died think he was thinking how did the skum kills get stopped

Tim is so trying to stretch out cases on everyone, and terrible cases if any lol

not much of a case was jsut quick read and psots after work i have saturday sunday and monday off so will be able to give alot more time to do posts then