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[jak111]

I checked my role pm again when I saw Saf post... I think it's time for me to claim. I am Dru Zeree 3rd party Anti-Killswitch. I must stop something from happening Day 5 (why I questioned Saf about it being Day 5).

I cannot find whatever this killswitch thing is online but if I'm anti it and I must stop something from happening Day 5 I believe Saf to be this 'killswitch' role. If what he says to be true, he's not the only killswitch.

Could someone elaborate on what these are? Could Saf confirm/deny this?

My win condition only states I must kill any kill switch in the game. It doesn't mention 2 though because it's not plural >.< Are you being honest Saf?

[spiesr]

I checked my role pm again when I saw Saf post... I think it's time for me to claim. I am Dru Zeree 3rd party Anti-Killswitch. I must stop something from happening Day 5 (why I questioned Saf about it being Day 5).

I cannot find whatever this killswitch thing is online but if I'm anti it and I must stop something from happening Day 5 I believe Saf to be this 'killswitch' role. If what he says to be true, he's not the only killswitch.

Could someone elaborate on what these are? Could Saf confirm/deny this?

My win condition only states I must kill any kill switch in the game. It doesn't mention 2 though because it's not plural >.< Are you being honest Saf?

Some questions:
Can you give me a quick rundown on who Dru Zeree is?
Do you have any abilities with which to accomplish this objective?

[jak111]

I checked my role pm again when I saw Saf post... I think it's time for me to claim. I am Dru Zeree 3rd party Anti-Killswitch. I must stop something from happening Day 5 (why I questioned Saf about it being Day 5).

I cannot find whatever this killswitch thing is online but if I'm anti it and I must stop something from happening Day 5 I believe Saf to be this 'killswitch' role. If what he says to be true, he's not the only killswitch.

Could someone elaborate on what these are? Could Saf confirm/deny this?

My win condition only states I must kill any kill switch in the game. It doesn't mention 2 though because it's not plural >.< Are you being honest Saf?

Some questions:
Can you give me a quick rundown on who Dru Zeree is?
Do you have any abilities with which to accomplish this objective?

I have a night action. However I have a side tag of Ninja so I cannot be seen (which sucks because then I can't PROVE I visited who I said I did >.<)

Dru Zeree is a Vraad from Legends of DragonRealm. He's a master wizard who can move even mountains at full strength (When he lived on Nimth, the Vraad's homeworld). Nimth is dying because the Vraad use their magic too much and Dru Zeree is more of a scientist of the Vraad. He is looking for another world for them to live on and how to reach there. He's the ONLY Vraad to get along with anothe Vraad (His daughter Sharissa Zeree) (all other Vraads grow up to hate everyone accept themselves). Once they reach DragonRealm, Dru is the only Vraad, along with his daughter Sharrissa, and his new wife an elf of the native DragonRealm, who tries to make everyone get along since they all wanna kill each other (pesky Vraads) and this DragonRealm has a different sort of magic, a magic that fights their will and causes them to be harmed if they try performing magic alone.

There are a few other groups that fight with each other due to a plot that will take paragraphs to explain (I'd be better off quoting what I sent PCM to tell you, however that's against the rules) but these other groups only keep their peace because they respect Dru for helping them get to DragonRealm without dying with their homeworld Nimth

I'm at the part of the book where the Dragon Clan betray Dru's alliance and kidnaps his daughter, about 400 pages to go lol.

But I guess I can see why I'd be a 3rd party as Dru tries to keep the peace between EVERYONE. Check me out if you don't believe me to be 3rd party ^^.

But Spiesr, you still never answered my question.. What is a killswitch?

[spiesr]

Thank you Jak.

But Spiesr, you still never answered my question.. What is a killswitch?

I do not know. I have never encountered one.

I have a night action. However I have a side tag of Ninja so I cannot be seen (which sucks because then I can't PROVE I visited who I said I did >.<)

Since you claim third party and I don't really trust you I am going to ask what it is and what you have done with it.

But I guess I can see why I'd be a 3rd party as Dru tries to keep the peace between EVERYONE. Check me out if you don't believe me to be 3rd party ^^.

I am concerned about you using character flavor to try to justify you being third party...

[jak111]

Thank you Jak.

But Spiesr, you still never answered my question.. What is a killswitch?

I do not know. I have never encountered one.

I have a night action. However I have a side tag of Ninja so I cannot be seen (which sucks because then I can't PROVE I visited who I said I did >.<)

Since you claim third party and I don't really trust you I am going to ask what it is and what you have done with it.

But I guess I can see why I'd be a 3rd party as Dru tries to keep the peace between EVERYONE. Check me out if you don't believe me to be 3rd party ^^.

I am concerned about you using character flavor to try to justify you being third party...

Like I said, I can't prove I'm 3rd party, that's why I don't mind being checked if I must. But I'm being upfront because my win condition involves eliminating this/these killswitch(es). If anyone else ever encountered one could we know more about them? Also can Saf confirm he is one?

I have checked you out so far Spiesr. To be honest I don't get good vibes from you lately. Either they are neutral or bad (not because of slips but because of gut feelings, you know?) I can confirm you're not a kill switch however (which means I don't need to kill you whatever you ARE).

I hope Saf is lying though because this will be an easy win for me if he's the only killswitch in the game That Day 5 and what my pm said just go together too well in my eyes for him not to be >.<

[Iron Butterfly]

The main issue is that roles are determined before alignment. A mafia flavor cop is perfectly likely. / ousting himself so quickly, in retrospect, seems like a plan to get into town's good books.

Agreed he could be trying to look like town, now I can see your logic against /; but if town flavour cop struck killer, surely you would tell town. BCS - SK/Mafia is lynched.WCS - Vig has to claim but can be protected. I suppose Yomiel threw a spanner in the works with that plan but I don't see how / was to suppose to know that.

I just realized Edoscil was most likely traccking last night. He was town so he would not kill Mr. Squirrel unless he knew for sure he was Mafia.

I can't see how you know edoc was tracking last night, I'm pretty sure an assassin role is one who could kill and bypasses all other night actions i.e. roleblocks, protects etc. And most vigs don't shoot N1, but edoc did say he would kill on N1 as a vig, today. Would you explain this post further?

It goes the other way as well. You can not say "I cant see how you know..." and then say in the same sentence "Im pretty sure an assasin role is...". You are speculating just as muich as I am. Why would I need to explain anything when you seem to have it all figured out already or is there somthing you do not understand that I need to explain for you?

I do not understand, how you think edoc is tracking when the scene quite clearly states that the dark silhouette's original intention was to kill NOT TRACK. Unless that isn't edoc referred to in the scene but I think it is as assassins creep in the shadows which can be called a silhouette.

Edoscil was Town. Yes he was a Vig but you are trying to pin the night scene specificly on Edoscil. We had no night death from Mafia. Why?

The scene does not suggest it was Edoscil. Last I heard we have a ninja now as well. Pinning the night scene on Edoscil completely removes Mafia bad guys from the picture.

[ShaggyDan]

I really don't like the idea of not lynching one of the two third party claims, especially the idea of a lyncher having free reign... But with the shape town is in at the moment I don't think they are a pressing concern. I assume we have a mafia of 3 or 4 and with two claimed third party roles that gives us a solid chance of hitting scum of the remaining ten players.

I still don't trust them, mostly because I don't think we can trust their win condition they've claimed. At least not fully. Best case scenario their win conditions and motives are different to town. Worst case could really be anything in this set up.

As for the remaining 9 players, I'm getting a town vibe from the flavour cop. Accurate information doesn't exactly mean town but it is a step in the right direction. Speosr i'm not sold on, but the risk vs. reward on pursueing a protective role at this point is dubious at best.

Also I would assume whoever is giving yams out is town. A roleblock on Yom and an investogation to the cop seem very townish.

On a side note I can see neb's post restriction becoming problamatic in the future. It makes it hard for him to input and respond, which in turn makes it harder to read him. I don't really have an.opinion one way or the other on him atm, just.saying it will be difficult and is only going to get harder

[jonty125]

Well, you can tell by the way I use my vote,

Yes he was a Vig but you are trying to pin the night scene specificly on Edoscil. The scene does not suggest it was Edoscil.

I thought the scene was referring to edoc

We had no night death from Mafia. Why?

Dunno, maybe the have a plan? Roleblock? Forgot?

However I have a side tag of Ninja so I cannot be seen (which sucks because then I can't PROVE I visited who I said I did >.<)

You're a wizard, with ninja abilities

But I guess I can see why I'd be a 3rd party as Dru tries to keep the peace between EVERYONE. Check me out if you don't believe me to be 3rd party ^^.

I am concerned about you using character flavor to try to justify you being third party...

I agree

I have checked you out so far Spiesr. To be honest I don't get good vibes from you lately.

Isn't spieser bodyguard? I know he's not fully cleared but surely we should avoid making cases against potential town bodyguard?

I'm not to sure about jak's claim, it sounds a bit outlandish but then again the mod said it would be.

[spiesr]

I'm Hiei from the anime Yu Yu Hakusho. I'm a Third Party Lyncher/Survivor. I have to make sure another third party player dies. If he dies, I win. BUT, I have to survive until at least Day 5. If he dies before Day 5 and I'm still alive, I win. If I die and he is still alive by Day 5, then he wins. If we're both alive by Day 5, then both of us will die and neither of us will win.

Are you removed from the game upon wining?
I want you to tell me what you know about your target.

[jak111]

Well, you can tell by the way I use my vote,

Yes he was a Vig but you are trying to pin the night scene specificly on Edoscil. The scene does not suggest it was Edoscil.

I thought the scene was referring to edoc

We had no night death from Mafia. Why?

Dunno, maybe the have a plan? Roleblock? Forgot?

However I have a side tag of Ninja so I cannot be seen (which sucks because then I can't PROVE I visited who I said I did >.<)

You're a wizard, with ninja abilities

But I guess I can see why I'd be a 3rd party as Dru tries to keep the peace between EVERYONE. Check me out if you don't believe me to be 3rd party ^^.

I am concerned about you using character flavor to try to justify you being third party...

I agree

I have checked you out so far Spiesr. To be honest I don't get good vibes from you lately.

Isn't spieser bodyguard? I know he's not fully cleared but surely we should avoid making cases against potential town bodyguard?

I'm not to sure about jak's claim, it sounds a bit outlandish but then again the mod said it would be.

Well you quoted one of those posts wrong XD But besides that yes I seem to have 'ninja' abilities (My character in the books could move mountains at will.. I think being able to avoid detection wouldn't be that much of a far reach thought for magical powers ^^)

Though yes, I did check into Spiesr, I wanted to double check and I do believe it was before his claim of bodyguard, so that part is a bit invalid to make a point on.

No one has to trust me but I still want to know what this killswitch thing is, if Saf is one, and if he's being truthful that there's another out there with the same day power. If so I may have two targets I need to take out for me to win.

I wonder if PCM is allowed to clarify what a killswitch is or at least point us in the right direction of the description of one. Saf, you have been quiet, so I assume you are one of these, however, I'm interested in finding this second one you mentioned. If you can help us find him I'll spare you until Day 4 and see if the town will agree with me at that point to either help you or me. But if you are one of these killswitch roles.. I'm going to try and lynch you, for it is my win condition to do so.

As for the town, they have my support in hunting for other 3rd parties and mafia, because it seems my targets are two out of both groups (If there's a mafia killswitch I'm guessing I'll be forced to side with town anyhow). But if you get any more 3rd party roles out there, let me know and I'll give my full cooperation.

[DoomYoshi]

The entire third party thing is interesting. I think we should come back to this plot later. Safariguy seems to have a sort of feuded role, but used the word lyncher. Does the target actually need to be lynched, or does it need to be killed?

For now... Best mafia guesses?

/ was my earlier guess and I have noted that shaggy is drawing attention to a town read there. I am totally neutral reading spiesr and neb, as is shaggy. Mr. S and tails seem to be lying low.

Unvote vote squirrel

[spiesr]

For now... Best mafia guesses?

/ was my earlier guess and I have noted that shaggy is drawing attention to a town read there. I am totally neutral reading spiesr and neb, as is shaggy. Mr. S and tails seem to be lying low.

Unvote vote squirrel

Interesting, depending on what exactly happened last night, the possibility of him being roleblocked could be connected to the absence of kills.

[safariguy5]

Well yes, jak is right, I indeed AM one of the killswitches. My role PM tells me there is another killswitch out there. The truth of the matter is that I have no idea who the other one is, but I know he/she is out there. And my role PM says Day 5. If you guys don't think we're going to make it to Day 5, then I can't really do anything to affect that conclusion.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

For now... Best mafia guesses?

/ was my earlier guess and I have noted that shaggy is drawing attention to a town read there. I am totally neutral reading spiesr and neb, as is shaggy. Mr. S and tails seem to be lying low.

Unvote vote squirrel

Interesting, depending on what exactly happened last night, the possibility of him being roleblocked could be connected to the absence of kills.

I doubt mafia would target their own.

-Tails

[DoomYoshi]

For now... Best mafia guesses?

/ was my earlier guess and I have noted that shaggy is drawing attention to a town read there. I am totally neutral reading spiesr and neb, as is shaggy. Mr. S and tails seem to be lying low.

Unvote vote squirrel

Interesting, depending on what exactly happened last night, the possibility of him being roleblocked could be connected to the absence of kills.

I doubt mafia would target their own.

-Tails

With the busdriving, and who knows what else going on last night, that argument isn't complete anymore. The thing is that flavor suggests edoc was the one going for the kill and spiesr is the bodyguard. If spiesr is a bodyguard and Mr. S was targetted the he would be dead. Something about the scene is indeed misleading.

[jak111]

Well yes, jak is right, I indeed AM one of the killswitches. My role PM tells me there is another killswitch out there. The truth of the matter is that I have no idea who the other one is, but I know he/she is out there. And my role PM says Day 5. If you guys don't think we're going to make it to Day 5, then I can't really do anything to affect that conclusion.

Then you are one of my targets. The other must probably be killed as well I am guessing. Can you explain what these killswitch roles do Saf? I know I'm anti-killswitch, but I want to know what I'm really against here. Also if you help us find this other one I don't mind leaving you until Day 4, however, due to my win condition, I still must go after you Saf, nothing I can do there even though you're cooperative here.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

For now... Best mafia guesses?

/ was my earlier guess and I have noted that shaggy is drawing attention to a town read there. I am totally neutral reading spiesr and neb, as is shaggy. Mr. S and tails seem to be lying low.

Unvote vote squirrel

Interesting, depending on what exactly happened last night, the possibility of him being roleblocked could be connected to the absence of kills.

I doubt mafia would target their own.

-Tails

With the busdriving, and who knows what else going on last night, that argument isn't complete anymore. The thing is that flavor suggests edoc was the one going for the kill and spiesr is the bodyguard. If spiesr is a bodyguard and Mr. S was targetted the he would be dead. Something about the scene is indeed misleading.

Well the alleged busdriving took place between Saf and edoc. It wouldn't affect Squirrel.

Perhaps I've been roundabout here, but to state things in no uncertain terms, I'm FOSing you with a strong inclination to vote you. You're being very aggressive and pursuing any minor suspicion with outrageous lines of reasoning. A certain meta I've got on you is that you'll bounce about on the slightest thing.

-Tails

[safariguy5]

Well yes, jak is right, I indeed AM one of the killswitches. My role PM tells me there is another killswitch out there. The truth of the matter is that I have no idea who the other one is, but I know he/she is out there. And my role PM says Day 5. If you guys don't think we're going to make it to Day 5, then I can't really do anything to affect that conclusion.

Then you are one of my targets. The other must probably be killed as well I am guessing. Can you explain what these killswitch roles do Saf? I know I'm anti-killswitch, but I want to know what I'm really against here. Also if you help us find this other one I don't mind leaving you until Day 4, however, due to my win condition, I still must go after you Saf, nothing I can do there even though you're cooperative here.

So let me get this straight, you would like more information from me so you can decide how best to kill me?

How about this, we try to find the other killswitch and kill him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you said you only needed to find one of us and kill them to win right? Well I'm going to say that I have no night actions and no bulletproof or unlynchable protections, one-shot or otherwise. I dunno about the other killswitch. Either way, if we kill the other killswitch, maybe both you and I can win jak. Otherwise, I'm basically giving information away for free and signing my own death warrant, which doesn't make a lot of sense for me.

[Iron Butterfly]

I cannot kill at night. I don't see ow scene flavor links to me. Altair wears white, not dark, clothes, and while dimension twisting could refer to an Animus, flavor would be ...bad... to say the least. Also, my night action was not altered, although your going to have to jut take my word for that now.

I really have a strong FOS on folks arguing that the night scene suggests that Edoscil.

What do we know 100%

edocsil killed Yomiel during the day. Edoscils death scene states he was sucessful in his kill.

Edoscil told us he could not kill at night.

Edocsil was a tracker as well. A tracker would be near useless during the day as it tracks a players and who they target.

My conclusion is that the night scene clearly idicates that the Stealthy charachter/intruders intent was to kill but was uncucessful. Edocsil has stated he couldnt kill at night, we know he was a tracker and most imp[ortantly he killed Yumiel during the day, which only strengthens Edoscils claim of not being able to night kill. He was also Town and had Towns best interests.

It was a shit case based on circumstntial evidence at best. I strongly beleive several players, mafia/third party have tried to use edocil as a smoke screen to hide their Night Kill attempt.

Edocsil was not the player in the night scene.

[jak111]

Well yes, jak is right, I indeed AM one of the killswitches. My role PM tells me there is another killswitch out there. The truth of the matter is that I have no idea who the other one is, but I know he/she is out there. And my role PM says Day 5. If you guys don't think we're going to make it to Day 5, then I can't really do anything to affect that conclusion.

Then you are one of my targets. The other must probably be killed as well I am guessing. Can you explain what these killswitch roles do Saf? I know I'm anti-killswitch, but I want to know what I'm really against here. Also if you help us find this other one I don't mind leaving you until Day 4, however, due to my win condition, I still must go after you Saf, nothing I can do there even though you're cooperative here.

So let me get this straight, you would like more information from me so you can decide how best to kill me?

How about this, we try to find the other killswitch and kill him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you said you only needed to find one of us and kill them to win right? Well I'm going to say that I have no night actions and no bulletproof or unlynchable protections, one-shot or otherwise. I dunno about the other killswitch. Either way, if we kill the other killswitch, maybe both you and I can win jak. Otherwise, I'm basically giving information away for free and signing my own death warrant, which doesn't make a lot of sense for me.

Yea, I know what you mean, however, if we do not find him by Day 4 I will be after you. Right now I'm willing to put it off because I might be able to win with everyone if I kill just one, however, I will not put it past Day 4 if we do not find the other, because right now you have the benefit of my doubt, however if Day 4 rolls around I will have to go for the one I know about, deal?

[DoomYoshi]

Perhaps it is outrageous. If the kill was directed at the bodyguard's target, I don't understand why spiesr is still alive. Any clarification spiesr?

Also, I am trying to keep the game moving. If we get stagnant on one topic too long, mafia players are given an opportunity to figure out what the party line is and then toe it.

[spiesr]

Perhaps it is outrageous. If the kill was directed at the bodyguard's target, I don't understand why spiesr is still alive. Any clarification spiesr?

Give me a little more credit than that. As a top tier body-guard I am bulletproof and will kill anyone who tries to kill my target. The would be killer in the scene managing to allude me is why I assumed he must have been an assassin.

[Iron Butterfly]

Perhaps it is outrageous. If the kill was directed at the bodyguard's target, I don't understand why spiesr is still alive. Any clarification spiesr?

Give me a little more credit than that. As a top tier body-guard I am bulletproof and will kill anyone who tries to kill my target. The would be killer in the scene managing to allude me is why I assumed he must have been an assassin.

You made an assumption against Edoscil under the guise of sounding certian based soley on the night scene. others such as Jonty have pushed for the Edoscil version.

[DoomYoshi]

Perhaps it is outrageous. If the kill was directed at the bodyguard's target, I don't understand why spiesr is still alive. Any clarification spiesr?

Give me a little more credit than that. As a top tier body-guard I am bulletproof and will kill anyone who tries to kill my target. The would be killer in the scene managing to allude me is why I assumed he must have been an assassin.

This doesn't make any sense to me. I would assume we have other bulletproof roles out there.

With the dimensional shifting NOT taking place between saf and edoc, we still don't know what happened there and if targets are changing.

It makes sense to me why spiesr would protect Mr. S as he agreed with him at the the end of the day.

[Mr. Squirrel]

This game is getting extremely confusing. I'm going to try to make a more full post with everyone's roles outlined and the information we have for certain. Give me a few hours...