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[TA1LGUNN3R]

Here's some of the stuff I posted about him yesterday, Andy.

show: slash case

-Tails

[AndyDufresne]

Hello God Emperor Q, though it stinks to see another replacement since playing and posting styles will undoubtedly change.

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Thanks for the posts, Strike wolf and Ta1l.

I don't think I have anything to add this case, but I'm going to go and look back and posts and see if I can add anything or make anything out of those.


--Andy

[God Emperor Q]

I'm gonna hold off on voting till I have a chance to sift through the 39 pages of this game

-GEQ

[jonty125]

Hello God Emperor Q, though it stinks to see another replacement since playing and posting styles will undoubtedly change.


--Andy

Surely that's good having a replacement - more active players easier to get a lynch

[AndyDufresne]

Hello God Emperor Q, though it stinks to see another replacement since playing and posting styles will undoubtedly change.


--Andy

Surely that's good having a replacement - more active players easier to get a lynch

More activity is good, which is not what I was commenting on. But replacements always change the way the game is played, because a read you may have regarding what you think one person's game may no longer be relevant.


--Andy

[pancakemix]

Anybody have anything meaningful left to say or should we end this?

[strike wolf]

Anybody have anything meaningful left to say or should we end this?

I have a case, it's just gonna take a but to put together and I dont have the time or focus (I am drunk) right now.

[jonty125]

Anybody have anything meaningful left to say or should we end this?

I have a case, it's just gonna take a but to put together and I dont have the time or focus (I am drunk) right now.

Who's the case on or will we have to wait for the case itself?

[strike wolf]

I've gotten a bit distracted by the memebase mafia (I can't look away for 2 minutes without there being another new post needing attention) but I am working on it. If I am not done by tonight feel free to proceed with the lynch. The most prominent part of the case revolves around Commander9 (I've been a bit hesitant about this because he hasn't been consistently active recently and I don't want to sign his death warrant when he's not here to defend himself but if I don't now there's a good chance I might not get to (I've survived at least one night kill, my odds of surviving more than one are less likely)). There are some other details but I don't feel as confident about my cases against the others to bring them into the light without the details.

[AndyDufresne]

Anybody have anything meaningful left to say or should we end this?

I don't think I have much more I can say, I posted my thoughts earlier on in Day 3.

As for the slash case, I think I could get on board for it, after reviewing some of the above posts, and the fact that out of the 4-5 players I have my suspicions about, they don't seem to be voting for it.

Vote: /


--Andy

[strike wolf]

Anybody have anything meaningful left to say or should we end this?

I don't think I have much more I can say, I posted my thoughts earlier on in Day 3.

As for the slash case, I think I could get on board for it, after reviewing some of the above posts, and the fact that out of the 4-5 players I have my suspicions about, they don't seem to be voting for it.

Vote: /


--Andy

I'll take this to mean you believe that Santa Claws is a member of a second mafia?

[safariguy5]

QOTD:
Fry: Michelle, I don't regret this, but I both rue and lament it.

Vote Count

/(6)- Tails, PCM, drunk, jonty, Haggis, Andy

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Alright guys, this is taking a ridiculously long time. Deadline in 5 days. Get a move on please.

[Metsfanmax]

OK, fine with me.

Vote /

[safariguy5]

QOTD:
Dr. Zoidberg: For one beautiful night I knew what it was like to be a grandmother. Subjugated, yet honored.

Vote Count

/(7)- Tails, PCM, drunk, jonty, Haggis, Andy, Mets

/ has been lynched.

[safariguy5]

Scene

As the day began, everyone breathed a collective sigh of relief that Santa Claws had not claimed another victim.

However, someone quickly stepped forward and claimed that / was the dreaded Santa Claws. Everyone quickly agreed that this was probably the case, and strapped him into the magnetic robotic execution chair.

However, people seemed to want to try and find more scum, and as a result, / was left in the chair for half the day. Finally, someone noticed that they hadn't pulled the switch yet and the sun was setting, so / was finally executed by being ripped apart by two magnets.

/, Santa Claws, Third Party Serial Killer has been lynched!



It is now Night 3! 48 hours to send in night actions.

[nagerous]

Continue to avenge Zoidberg's death!

[safariguy5]

Announcement

drake_259 has replaced naxus.

[safariguy5]

Scene

Cubert had been quite pleased with the result of the day's lynch. Possessing massive intellect, he had contributed greatly to the town cause. Unfortunately, his slightly arrogant manner had alienated several citizens, so he took this opportunity to get a closer look at the deceased Santa.

He was so engrossed in the reactor of the robot, he didn't even notice a shadowy figure creep up behind him.

"It's, it's you!" he gasped.

"Yes, me!" cried the figure.

Cubert's body was found the next morning with two distinct handprints on his cheeks.

AndyDufresne, Cubert Farnsworth, Vanilla Townie has been killed!



It is now Day 4, with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[strike wolf]

ttwo distinct hand prints. *cough mom is the godfather *end cough*

[TA1LGUNN3R]

ttwo distinct hand prints. *cough mom is the godfather *end cough*

How does that follow? Because of the slapping?

-Tails

[strike wolf]

ttwo distinct hand prints. *cough mom is the godfather *end cough*

How does that follow? Because of the slapping?

-Tails

Correct.

[AndyDufresne]

Had a bad feeling.



Best of luck everyone!


--Andy

[TA1LGUNN3R]

ttwo distinct hand prints. *cough mom is the godfather *end cough*

How does that follow? Because of the slapping?

-Tails

Correct.

K well unless someone is a flavor cop, then knowing that Mom is the GF doesn't really help us.

However, Andy's death begs the question of who killed him and why, which just leads me into circular WIFOM reasoning. The most obvious (and easiest to swallow) is that since Andy brought up points against Strike, then perhaps Strike did it... or so they would have us believe. Classic scum maneuver.

So I kinda went through a little bit and read some responses to anything Andy said... The best I could come up with is the over eager FOS that jonty threw at Andy for his request for info on the / case:

I'm caught back up. I still have my suspicions about Strike Wolf more than anyone else. Would someone care go into more detail regarding the case on '/'?


--Andy

I'm the Hypnotoad. I blocked / last night.

Vote /

You know, the thing is, I am Santa, however contrary to your expectation I am not a serial killer, well technically I am in the context that I murder the cranberry sauce out of a ton of people, but that's just in my paranoid programming. I am strictly town who wants to obliterate the naughty naughty scum, but I am a trigger happy vig, meaning I must attempt to kill someone each night. So it's your choice, you can kill me now, or use me to get an extra kill in each night, blocking me on nights you don't want someone dead.

Night One I attempted to kill Strike, but unfortunately Dr.Zoidburg had the same plan.
Night Two I targeted pancakemix, who roleblocked me... By the way I am assuming Zapp is a bodyguard role most likely

MAJOR FOS Andy for EXTREME skimming! pcm claimed Hypnotoad who roleblocked / last night. The SK didn't have a kill last night. / admitted to being Santa Claws (Our #1 suspect for being SK) he claimed 'Trigger Happy Vig' we didn't buy it and are now lasting this day out for discussion. / is at L-2.

So... my thoughts here. He wants to cur favor here with the post, by throwing out a FOS for skimming (kinda weak if you ask me), but also realizes that upon Andy's death that suspicion would fall on Strike.

But, you say, this would be highly erratic. Yes, it may well be. But jonty proved himself to be erratic (in my eyes) when he follows pcm's advice to make full use of the day:

Haggis & Drunk: claimed masons or lovers (alive)

I completely forgot about that.

I'm going to hangfire on / . Firstly would like to see what he's got to say about this, and secondly as PCM metioned we don't want a straight lynch on scum with no discussion for D4.

but then jumps all over Mets for the same thing:

Mets why haven't you voted /?

It's not like much had progressed at that point, the game was more or less in the same position.

So, FOS jonty for erratic behavior.

-Tails

[jonty125]

ttwo distinct hand prints. *cough mom is the godfather *end cough*

How does that follow? Because of the slapping?

-Tails

Correct.

K well unless someone is a flavor cop, then knowing that Mom is the GF doesn't really help us.

However, Andy's death begs the question of who killed him and why, which just leads me into circular WIFOM reasoning. The most obvious (and easiest to swallow) is that since Andy brought up points against Strike, then perhaps Strike did it... or so they would have us believe. Classic scum maneuver.

So I kinda went through a little bit and read some responses to anything Andy said... The best I could come up with is the over eager FOS that jonty threw at Andy for his request for info on the / case:

I'm caught back up. I still have my suspicions about Strike Wolf more than anyone else. Would someone care go into more detail regarding the case on '/'?


--Andy

I'm the Hypnotoad. I blocked / last night.

Vote /

You know, the thing is, I am Santa, however contrary to your expectation I am not a serial killer, well technically I am in the context that I murder the cranberry sauce out of a ton of people, but that's just in my paranoid programming. I am strictly town who wants to obliterate the naughty naughty scum, but I am a trigger happy vig, meaning I must attempt to kill someone each night. So it's your choice, you can kill me now, or use me to get an extra kill in each night, blocking me on nights you don't want someone dead.

Night One I attempted to kill Strike, but unfortunately Dr.Zoidburg had the same plan.
Night Two I targeted pancakemix, who roleblocked me... By the way I am assuming Zapp is a bodyguard role most likely

MAJOR FOS Andy for EXTREME skimming! pcm claimed Hypnotoad who roleblocked / last night. The SK didn't have a kill last night. / admitted to being Santa Claws (Our #1 suspect for being SK) he claimed 'Trigger Happy Vig' we didn't buy it and are now lasting this day out for discussion. / is at L-2.

So... my thoughts here. He wants to cur favor here with the post, by throwing out a FOS for skimming (kinda weak if you ask me), but also realizes that upon Andy's death that suspicion would fall on Strike.

But, you say, this would be highly erratic. Yes, it may well be. But jonty proved himself to be erratic (in my eyes) when he follows pcm's advice to make full use of the day:

Haggis & Drunk: claimed masons or lovers (alive)

I completely forgot about that.

I'm going to hangfire on / . Firstly would like to see what he's got to say about this, and secondly as PCM metioned we don't want a straight lynch on scum with no discussion for D4.

but then jumps all over Mets for the same thing:

Mets why haven't you voted /?

It's not like much had progressed at that point, the game was more or less in the same position.

So, FOS jonty for erratic behavior.

-Tails

I agree my posting was extremely erratic but as you have brought and up and I agree the case is weak at best (and before you all say SCUM MANEUVER! to cover my tracks I don't want to be lynched as this isn't going to help us townies). Anyway, where is God Emperor Q he was brought in as a replacement and didn't show up yesterday.

[God Emperor Q]

Okay, interesting things of note. Bare with me if you can:

show: Kwanton - Sunday, July 24th

So we all know now that Kwanton was Mafia (Elzar). The other confirmed Mafia was Freezie (Lrrr). It is interesting that our of the two mafia we've grabbed so far, they were a part of neither the robot mafia nor Mom and Sons. I'm not sure if it was coincidence, or if Kwanton was trying to steer us down a specific path away from 'Real Mafia' roles. Anyways, worth noting.

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show: Kwanton - Monday, August 1st

This post is interesting for a number of reasons I think.

1. When it comes down to talking about Freezie (who we later learned was Mafia) he tried to play off that he was interested in the case, but that Strike Wolf's 'Naxus Case' was better/stronger.
   
2. In regards to his discussion about Fircoal and Gilligan, both of these two have been up on suspicions, and have been FOSed/voted on by various players. It is interesting to note I think that Kwanton was pretty quick and easy to dismiss cases about both of these two players, writing them off as weak. To divert attention away? Maybe. I'm not sure---because Freezie does hop on the Fircoal bandwagon, but was called out by Pancakemix for doing so.

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show: Kwanton - Monday, August 1st

With this post, I started to wonder more about connections between Strike Wolf and Kwanton. He follows Strike Wolf's lead in regards to Naxus, and notes him as leaning town. In all fairness, he notes me as leaning town as well, but he made sure in his previous post to point out that my case was flawed and not as a good as the Naxus case which he saw as real gold.

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show: Kwanton - Monday, August 1st

Here Kwanton is suspicious of Saxlad/Drunkmonkey. I don't think there is too much to make out of this post, other than to note that he previously noted he was 'leaning slightly mafia' in regards to Freezie as well. Could be coincidental though.

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show: Kwanton - Tuesday, August 2nd

Here Kwanton pushes once again for Strike Wolf's 'Naxus Case'.

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show: Kwanton - Tuesday, August 2nd

This is really a great post. Earlier, I pointed out the connection so far that Mafia have been...well...not the Robot Mafia or Mom and Sons. Here, Kwanton addresses the idea of a 'jumbled bad-guy mafia' as...'not likely.' He is really pushing the flavor idea, pointing us in the direction of looking for Robot Mafia and Mom and Sons. He notes that there are 3 Robot Mafia and 4 Mom and Sons. The 2 Mafia we've hit so far, as mentioned, don't fit the reality of the pattern as we know thus far.

He does make a point about having 2 Mafias, which would make things for us town more difficult. If this is the case, there may be a Robot Mafia, and a jumbled mafia group, like which perhaps Freezie and Kwanton were members in.

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show: Kwanton - Wednesday, August 3rd

Not much here, some speculation about Saxlad/drunkmonkey and Gilligan again. But interesting to note I think with his previous 'leaning scum.'

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show: Kwanton - Saturday, August 6th

Again, mentioning of the Naxus case, though talks about a believable defense (which made him do an unvote quick).


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show: Strike Wolf - Thursday, August 25th

Strike Wolf in this post sort of writes off Fircoal and Gilligan as probably not Mafia, which kind of jives with what Kwanton was originally doing in one of the first posts I grabbed.

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show: Strike Wolf - Friday, August 26th

I think this post is really interesting. Strike Wolf doesn't see any strange interactions, but I think there are some between Kwanton and others, such as there in trying to A. write off Gilligan (and Fircoal) as weak cases or as not probable Mafia (which is what Strike Wolf does above), and B. We know that that Kwanton's 'leaning mafia' for Freezie is a tactic employed at least once.

Additionally, Strike Wolf talks about himself as Mafia in this post, which is a great thing to do if you are Mafia.
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Summary:

So what did I learn from all of this? I'm not sure, I'm still trying to formulate my thoughts around everything, but I'll share what I have gathered.

• The Mafia so far (Lrrr and Elzar) don't fit in with the path that Kwanton tried to divert us down. Strike Wolf similarly pushes for the Robot Mafia / Mom and Sons angle I think as well.
  
  
• I've had a feeling about Kwanton and Strike Wolf for a while, but I didn't mention much of anything since my evidence for Freezie I thought was better. Now that we know that Kwanton was Mafia, and with Kwanton's pushing for Strike Wolf's 'Naxus Case' as the strongest, the connection here becomes a little more clear.
  

  show: AndyDufresne - Sunday, August 14th

  
  
• Both Strike Wolf and Kwanton have talked about number of Mafia members, and have tried to keep that number low. What if there are 5 mafia members and an independent role we thought was in existence, isn't there?
  
  
• Both Strike Wolf and Kwanton have tried, at least to a degree, to divert attention away from Fircoal and Gilligan.
  
  
  
  
• Thus, I think my strongest suspicions fall on Strike Wolf, though I'm quite concerned about Fircoal and Gilligan and the interactions Strike Wolf and Kwanton had with them. Freezie was pushing hard for Gilligan and Fircoal at one point, so they are a bit of a gray area, but maybe that was all diversion, I don't know what to make of it yet.

FOS: Strike Wolf


--Andy

RIP Andy, anyone who can type this much deserves to be remembered. I've read through most of the case, as best I could, and this is the most sensible argument brought up so far. This is basically my first game, so I don't really know how to read into it, but if Andy points out strike and gets killed afterwards, I think it deserves some looking into. I also noticed that a lot of others seemed to ignore it in a rush to lynch /, and I just wanted to hear your thoughts.
FOS strikewolf.

-GEQ