[OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia - Town Scarred as Mafia Wins!

[FloresDelMal]

10. Be attentive and active in the game. If I see you are not posting at all, I will prod all those who are inactive. If there is no timely response, you will be replaced.

16. Be wary of mass claims! Mechanisms have been put in place that make this dangerous

Food for thought aka rules we shouldnt forget.

I don't think we should be putting DJ up on the firing line at this time until we figure out his activity and if it warrants a replacement. He did claim VT and me being the only other one alive, I'm hard pressed to believe the claim for the moment.

wrong, DJ is keeping his shallow activity to the barely acceptable minimum to avoid replacement, so unless the mod expressly says that he is searching a replacement my vote stays where it is, someone who is scarce at day might be oveactive by night, and wrong again, you are not the only 2 claimed VT alive, there is also mitch, but because he is mitch he is untouchable.

To the underlined: I delay voting because I like to see where things are going and give people time to respond and react to things before the day is over; I did allow Kwan more time to say his piece just on the off-chance anything useful could come of it, but I doubt anyone expected him to suddenly vote himself.

actually to me it didnt come as too big of a shock because he had voted and unvoted himself already before voting and unvoting everyone else

I am also not voting DJ because of the VT issue. I think it's very possible that there are more VT's out there and I think any idea that relies on there being only two is the pinnacle of rediculousness. I know we don't expect VT's but this isn't one of my games it's very possible for there to be a number of VTs.

I am 100% voting for DJ because he said something that is strickly WRONG. I'm not sure how that happened but my guess is that DJ is lying somewhere. And I don't like liars.

I agree that there is no way to be certain about how many VT's and Goons are there, and i also think that is the pinnacle of rediculousness to assume that all VT"s will be no name, there is no reason why VT"s couldnt be graced with the name of various minor characters.

Also my dear, can you please expand about the lie you caught DJ on?

[madmitch]

First of all I am sorry about my play style, I am finding it hard to adapt to your styles, I am a no bullshitting type of guy in real life ,what you see is what you get and if you don't like it pound salt,I enjoy playing with you folks and like you all except Dakky just kidding. OKAY LETS GET ON WITH IT. @ Mandy your cult leader ideal is interesting but I don't see Skoffin as it ,you are a much better choice with your minion Flores my biggest questions are at DDS if you were so sure Sam was town why vote for him ? you made sure to unvote and then hammer him. Then we have Skittles remark about if Sam turns out to be town who cares ? well I do , and Skoffin on your list of scum 2 of them turned out to be town ,still believe the rest are scum? and what lie did you catch Dj on ? please enlighten us before I make my vote

[Pikanchion]

I am also not voting DJ because of the VT issue. I think it's very possible that there are more VT's out there and I think any idea that relies on there being only two is the pinnacle of rediculousness. I know we don't expect VT's but this isn't one of my games it's very possible for there to be a number of VTs.

I am 100% voting for DJ because he said something that is strickly WRONG. I'm not sure how that happened but my guess is that DJ is lying somewhere. And I don't like liars.

I agree that there is no way to be certain about how many VT's and Goons are there, and i also think that is the pinnacle of rediculousness to assume that all VT"s will be no name, there is no reason why VT"s couldnt be graced with the name of various minor characters.

Also my dear, can you please expand about the lie you caught DJ on?

I was also wondering this; Fircoal's stated reasons for voting Djfireside originally today were simply

Anyway back to the game:

Vote: DJ

I've already mentioned why I thought so on Day 2. If you want to understand more read Sam and DJ's posts.

with the day two post that this likely refers to being

I have been lurking but as I will say in each one I hate day1 but moreover work has just beaten me down. I read and I actually do try to come up with a case but get sidetracked. Enough of that.

As for me I have already hinted at it so mine as well let it go since its needed info for what I have been working at, I am a worthless no name animal as well except I am a Zebra. I have nothing that says anything about being part of a herd which is why I have been asking about it. Since their responses are making similar sense to what I am seeing I am putting in my two cents, well more like 1 cent as noted by others The animal they claim I would believe so while I may not be hunting I am trying to interject some assistance.

Vote: DJ This is hilarious. It's almost as if the mafia are trying to lose.

so this lie is either the zebra claim (but if Fircoal were counter claiming they would presumably have said so), the VT claim (also unlikely as to know this Fircoal would have to be an investigator, and at [presumably] 2/4 scum down an investigator finding scum should probably just claim), or a more recent thing, my guess being this:

I thought I had something on DDS and in turn MM but both failed to pan out so I will stop there and go back to the drawing board to try to at least provide one useful thing.

[Fircoal]

@Flroes & Pika

This specifically is what I mean;

I tend to agree more with Sam's outcome than Flores. A standard game should have quite a bit of VT as it keeps the balance. Im sure that there are VT's and it makes sense they are animals but I have an issue with Sam's claim for the fact that you are saying you are part of a herd but no one else has come up to say they are also your animal so I don't see a herd which makes me wonder if you were tied to kwon in that aspect.

More than twelve days have passed since your previous post and that's the entirety of what you have to say?

Yes. I could reiterate much of what has happened but I have nothing out of the ordinary to add to it so left it all be. I chose to add some points to the Sam case and see if I can get some more information and reaction. As I stated I believe their statement of the nameless animal but wanted clarification on their statement of the herd. Im trying to move forward with some ideas.

The part of the herd is just what i was told. I assume it's because all the animals in the lion king are, more or less, part of the same kingdom/group/herd. I don't know if it's safe to assume that each vanilla townie is a different animal, but it seems that way from the claims we've gotten so far.

My claim is similar to what Sam's is. A ostrich who follows the herd. Im vanilla. DJ is just odd because of no mention of going with the herd. Not sure about his claim nor does his lurking sit right with me. Could be wrong though, this is something similar he did in a previous game

I have been lurking but as I will say in each one I hate day1 but moreover work has just beaten me down. I read and I actually do try to come up with a case but get sidetracked. Enough of that.

As for me I have already hinted at it so mine as well let it go since its needed info for what I have been working at, I am a worthless no name animal as well except I am a Zebra. I have nothing that says anything about being part of a herd which is why I have been asking about it. Since their responses are making similar sense to what I am seeing I am putting in my two cents, well more like 1 cent as noted by others The animal they claim I would believe so while I may not be hunting I am trying to interject some assistance.

Considering what the other VT's say (including the confirmed one), it find it hard to believe that DJ knows nothing of the herd. Espeically if he is just a no name animal.

That means he's lying, which to me points towards him being a villianous role.

[FloresDelMal]

@ Mandy your cult leader ideal is interesting but I don't see Skoffin as it ,you are a much better choice with your minion Flores my biggest questions are at DDS if you were so sure Sam was town why vote for him ? you made sure to unvote and then hammer him. Then we have Skittles remark about if Sam turns out to be town who cares ? well I do , and Skoffin on your list of scum 2 of them turned out to be town ,still believe the rest are scum? and what lie did you catch Dj on ? please enlighten us before I make my vote

Woah such a breath of fresh air, no tea no shade, this post its interesting, and raises valid points, of course there is room for improvement, for example it could be really cool if you could back up with quotes your cases, but i am overall super happy with this.

now there is no way that i can prove that i am not cult, in the same way that for example, i can not prove that the chu, skoff and skittles are cult, the only thing i can say is that if i was cult my stress and frustration levels could have been lower, and ,y general attitude could have been more pleasent because i could have had someone with who vent a bit instead of constantly banging my head against the wall

About your point on DDS i totally agree, normally you dont vote someone who you beliave to be town, except if you are scum or third party, then you dont care therefor and even thought he has been in my fishy list for a while FOS DDS

And about skoff fishy list i could also like to hear more, i have found her to be suspiscious several times through out the game as skittles pointed out, but i have failed to make a solid case against her, hence she has been almost always under my FOS list, i still happen to feel a certain level of malaise that i cant manage to shake off, thats why i asked for an investigative role to check her up if possible, but the point you raise is very interesting, thanks for your effort mitch.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Maybe my method of madness didn't come across clearly in days 2. Originally I had pointed towards DJ, I didn't want to vote Samlen up because I did think he was town (and I was right). Further, I believe the game was screeching to a halt. I argued against the case, I lost, and there was even a lovely comment about MM clearly saying "herp, feels like delaying the inevitable".
So I killed two birds with one stone. Got the game back going, generated discussion, proved the mandy hype train wrong of Sams role despite (sorry Sam), and now here we are. To me, it warranted the action.

As for the "being everywhere". I'm not. I clearly debated the cult theory, but I'm running with the no vote. I specifically said that I found it odd before I debated further with mandy on the whole cult theory, which I'm still in disagreement with. I know she's slow to vote, but she has voted every game day I've been with her. It's the only thing at this moment that has struck me odd and to me, our only lead. It's not really tangible but it's at least something.

[DirtyDishSoap]

And if one maybe two posts a week is considered "active", then...Well, I think we need to figure out what should be the average. That's kind of ridiculous.

[Djfireside]

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I am 100% voting for DJ because he said something that is strickly WRONG. I'm not sure how that happened but my guess is that DJ is lying somewhere. And I don't like liars.

What did I say that was wrong? The only thing that I can think of is that I said that Kwon did not claim and animal type and I was wrong on that. Thats the only piece that I can even think I misspoke on. If I had known what animal they were claiming I would have been on them faster than they would have been able to make their slip up because I have a feeling i know what animals should be present and there are only 3 which seems to fit with what is happening and Sam fit to one.

You can vote me cause I was inactive and I wont fight that cause what I had to do and what was going on was more important than this. Plain and simple is the easiest approach sometimes and yes its a bad thing to do when you make the commitment and Im sorry but such is what it is.

However as the thread started, I am curious to this misdoing if I am wrong in my previous statement.

[ga7]

Vote Count :

Skoffin (2) Mandy, DDS
Dj (3) Flores, Masket, Fircoal
Mandy (1) Pika

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

[Djfireside]

Ha! Im stupid you actually spelled it out and I went right over it. Wow! Yeah you should lynch me for that. Excuse the previous question.

As for the herd, there is nothing that has anything to do with a herd that I was given. I was watching that very closely as it caught my attention and sadly there is no way that I can prove against it but look at it from my perspective.

I was curious about the herd statement and even voted against Sam for it until they gave a better assessment of it. I was fighting it and asking about it because I am similar and thought I had pinned them on it. Once they explained their side I was satisfied and I came out to try to clear them only to have them killed anyways. You can chase me the same way but logically why would I have put myself in the same boat when I didnt have to.

THe thing that actually just hit me is I believe there should be 3 animals based on my own thought process based on scenes from the movie and these would be Elephant, Zebra and Giraffe. I thought DDS was a Elephant and that made up the 3 but since I dont anything around a herd and DDS came after me quoting the herd portion and Sam kinda backed off the herd, I will find my questioning of him and why I laid off him, but DDS came kept pushing it.

I dont believe the ostrich claim based on what I have seen and the order of progression so you can lynch me if you wish but at least this is out there for future use cause much like Sam, there is nothing that I can do to prove myself but I have issues believing DDS now.

Vote DDS

[Djfireside]

Vote DDS

Which makes

Vote Count :

Skoffin (2) Mandy, DDS
Dj (3) Flores, Masket, Fircoal
Mandy (1) Pika
DDS (1) Dj

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

[mandalorian2298]

Heads up! This might upset some people but, alas!,it looks like, once again, I am the Town's only hope.

Well, that's unfair towards DDS. Thanks for the support DDS. Sadly, it doesn't look like convincing people to vote for Skoffin is going to get things done this time. What I mean to say was that I am the Town's only sufficiently insane hope. unvote

@Pika Your posts read like you have more then a few games of Mafia under your belt. In how many of those games have YOU seen an active player not casting even a single vote over the duration of Day 1, without it being a PR? No need to answer that, it's rhetorical.

Moving on to the salient point of your post: yes, THE OTHER ROLE THAT COULD EXPLAIN THE PR IS SIMBA!
I hope that's noticeable enough. I wish there was some sort of a fireworks effect that I could add.

Which brings me to...

DEAR SHENZI,

I'm sure that this letter comes as a bit of the surprise, what with us being on the opposing sides and all but, as they say, Cults can make strange bedfellows.

The reason why I'm writing you is because I need a solid: I need you to NK Skoffin tonight.

Sadly, I won't be able to repay this kindness personally since it's a zero sum game etc. However, there is a good reason for you to do this (unless Skoffin claims, of course).

1st case scenario: I'm right about the whole thing. In this case you, by the virtue of having only two instead of three starting scum-buddies, KNOW that Scar doesn't have the betterment of Hyena living standards at heart in which case I sincerely hope that you are able to recognize how my theory neatly and completely explains his absence from the ranks of your Mafia.

Had we not already fragged two of your fellows, I would understand if you were tempted to leave Skoffin remain for an extra day just to distract the Town. However, with Banzai and Ed laughing it up in the big comedy club in the sky, you are currently looking at Cult Leader plus 2 culties (effectivly 3 Culties after Skoffster ropes another person to her side during Night 3). 1 mobster vs 3 Culties aren't good odds brother (or sister) but they sure beat 1 vs 4.

Also, since Skoffin will probably try to recruit me tonight, a dead Cult Leader in the morning is probably going to lead to lynched Mandy in the evening. Don't tell me that scenario doesn't sound yummy to you.

2nd case scenario: Scar is your scum-buddy and I'm wrong about Skoffin being either Scar or a Cult Leader.
Well, my ego is certainly going to deflate but for you (and real Scar), there IS a silver lining. You heard what Pikachion said: The only other role that explain Skoffin's PR is Simba! The Rightful King! The Giant Thorn in your collective paws, wielding who knows what sort of powers. And, again, the side dish is that, if you frag Skoff and she turns up to be Simba, oh boy, am I going to get scolded on Day 4! Fun, fun, fun!

I trust that you will make the right decision. As for myself, for the rest of od Day 3 I am going to follow the guiding light of young Fircoal's wisdom and vote dj. If he is right and dj and you are one and the same...no offense, but a mistake that leads to a dead mobster is not so bad, as mistakes go.

With respect,

mandalorian2298

P.S. I liked you in both "Sister Act" movies.

[madmitch]

@ DJ how can we believe you after these statements?

As for the herd, there is nothing that has anything to do with a herd that I was given. I was watching that very closely as it caught my attention and sadly there is no way that I can prove against it but look at it from my perspect
BUT YOU SAID I HAVE NOTHING THAT SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT BEING PART OF A HERD, Why would you think there would only be elephants ,giraffes and zebras that are part of the herd? I already admitted that I was a water buffalo and am definitely part of the herd.Fircoal was right about you. voteDJ.

[Skoffin]

Mandy, did you really just write a long diatribe that mafia should kill me no matter what tonight because either I am scum or because I am Simba the presumably strongest town power role? How does that benefit town? How does that constitute 'good play' on your part? I said I would claim if you could provide a reason besides some outlandish theory that I have a post restriction, I presume by your speech here that you can't come up with a single valid reason so from here I feel compelled to ignore any more nonsense from you about this.
For someone that claims to be the pro-town hero your actions are coming across as anti-town.

For DJ: The thing I find odd about his claim is that he states he received no message about a herd, it strikes me as odd that a scumster would make a claim that actively contradicts two people that have claimed similar roles.
Why would he not just say "yeah I'm part of the herd too" instead of questioning people who claimed the herd message as it conflicted with him? For the moment I'm inclined to believe he's town.

I'm amending my earlier list. Chu is beginning to seem more town, whereas Skittles has dropped down to my scum list.

[mandalorian2298]

Mandy, did you really just write a long diatribe that mafia should kill me no matter what tonight because either I am scum or because I am Simba the presumably strongest town power role? How does that benefit town? How does that constitute 'good play' on your part? I said I would claim if you could provide a reason besides some outlandish theory that I have a post restriction, I presume by your speech here that you can't come up with a single valid reason so from here I feel compelled to ignore any more nonsense from you about this.
For someone that claims to be the pro-town hero your actions are coming across as anti-town.

For DJ: The thing I find odd about his claim is that he states he received no message about a herd, it strikes me as odd that a scumster would make a claim that actively contradicts two people that have claimed similar roles.
Why would he not just say "yeah I'm part of the herd too" instead of questioning people who claimed the herd message as it conflicted with him? For the moment I'm inclined to believe he's town.

I'm amending my earlier list. Chu is beginning to seem more town, whereas Skittles has dropped down to my scum list.

Firstly, I have pointedly avoided mentioning which Town role I was referring to but then that blabbermouth Pikachion had to shoot off his mouth...I mean kids this day! No restraint whatsoever.

However, there is still a way to minimize the damage from Pikachion's rashness. If you CLAIM, and don't get counter claimed, that will make you the only confirmed Townie at this moment and thus automatically insure that Doc protects you. If you don't claim, even after all this, I hope that the Doc will have the wisdom to let Shenzi do her thing, since at this point the only reason for your continual refusal to claim can be that you indeed are Scar.

As an added bonus, that is going to ensure that I won't get Doc's protection and make it more likely that I get fragged and thus punished for putting you in this position (I sure am pimping my death HARD in this game! )

Since DJ is at L-1, I'll temporarily unvote in order to give Skoffin time to decide her next move. Will revote after that.

[Skoffin]

To be fair to Pika it was pretty obvious what you were hinting at and someone on the scum team surely figured it out.
"The only reason for your continued refusal" is that you have not given a good reason to justify me doing so; as I stated twice now, give any other reason as to why I might be scum besides this lame theory and I'll consider.
I'm not going to claim Simba because that is not my role; I'm neither Simba nor Scar and should I die soon just know that I will have a good giggle in death when it's revealed what a muppet you are being.

[mandalorian2298]

To be fair to Pika it was pretty obvious what you were hinting at and someone on the scum team surely figured it out.
"The only reason for your continued refusal" is that you have not given a good reason to justify me doing so; as I stated twice now, give any other reason as to why I might be scum besides this lame theory and I'll consider.
I'm not going to claim Simba because that is not my role; I'm neither Simba nor Scar and should I die soon just know that I will have a good giggle in death when it's revealed what a muppet you are being.

If your aim is to be a dead giggler just to spite me, then that is the way to accomplish it. Let me remind you that I HAVE voted on Day 1 and Day 2.

If you are insisting that there is no PR and claim is that you were capable of voting but instead you chose not to just to be weird; then this whole situation is result of your doing stunts instead of playing Mafia as it's supposed to be played.

If it was a stunt, then accept responsibility for the consequences of causing this situation de facto faking a PR and claim so that we can get back to hunting Mafia.

If you choose not claim then I, as well as Doc and Shenzi, cannot afford to rely on your caprice as an explanation for your bizzare play.

Shoot straight tonight, Shenzi.

vote DJ

DJ is back at L-1.

[Minister Masket]

Mandy, did you really just write a long diatribe that mafia should kill me no matter what tonight because either I am scum or because I am Simba the presumably strongest town power role? How does that benefit town? How does that constitute 'good play' on your part? I said I would claim if you could provide a reason besides some outlandish theory that I have a post restriction, I presume by your speech here that you can't come up with a single valid reason so from here I feel compelled to ignore any more nonsense from you about this.
For someone that claims to be the pro-town hero your actions are coming across as anti-town.

Strange as it may seem, it could be an interesting bit of reserve psychology on his part. Surely now any doc in the game will fly to protect you tonight (I believe there is one who got lucky Night 1 - as I'm in agreement with the 'story death' mechanic of Mufasa).
Of course, now that I've mentioned that, I've may have introduced some reverse-reverse psychology into the mix and no-one will target Skoff at all! Which is probably for the best if she is Simba.
Can't say I think that role reveal idea was your smartest move of the game so far Mandy, but if it has a positive effect as I suspect it might on night actions to come, it may well pay off.

I'm amending my earlier list. Chu is beginning to seem more town, whereas Skittles has dropped down to my scum list.

Hes not the only player to have admitted to real life intruding into game time, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[mandalorian2298]

Mandy, did you really just write a long diatribe that mafia should kill me no matter what tonight because either I am scum or because I am Simba the presumably strongest town power role? How does that benefit town? How does that constitute 'good play' on your part? I said I would claim if you could provide a reason besides some outlandish theory that I have a post restriction, I presume by your speech here that you can't come up with a single valid reason so from here I feel compelled to ignore any more nonsense from you about this.
For someone that claims to be the pro-town hero your actions are coming across as anti-town.

Strange as it may seem, it could be an interesting bit of reserve psychology on his part. Surely now any doc in the game will fly to protect you tonight (I believe there is one who got lucky Night 1 - as I'm in agreement with the 'story death' mechanic of Mufasa).
Of course, now that I've mentioned that, I've may have introduced some reverse-reverse psychology into the mix and no-one will target Skoff at all! Which is probably for the best if she is Simba.
Can't say I think that role reveal idea was your smartest move of the game so far Mandy, but if it has a positive effect as I suspect it might on night actions to come, it may well pay off.

I'm amending my earlier list. Chu is beginning to seem more town, whereas Skittles has dropped down to my scum list.

Hes not the only player to have admitted to real life intruding into game time, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I have revealed nothing. There is no reverse psychology in play and, given Skoffin's "contribution" to the game so far, the Doc would have to be bellow awful to protect her and leave scum-hunters like Fircoal and Flores exposed.

Unless she claims.

[Skoffin]

I'm not pulling any 'stunts', I just happened to not have made up my mind on who to vote at the time and thus had not voted yet; I was willing to hammer Kwan after I gave him a final chance to say something,
but I did not predict that he was going to bloody hammer himself. Sorry but I don't go into every game assuming someone is going to play a jester.
I'm not trying 'spite you', I just not going to claim because one person has a hard on to vote me for nonsense reasons, Maybe if your nonsense reasons actually got me close to a lynch THEN I'd feel some sort of pressure to claim for nothing.
I'm not going to accept consequences of such shit just because I did not predict when the day might end and I didn't throw out a random vote beforehand in case someone accused me of having some PR that means I muuust be the main villain. you've done a solid job of wasting time thus far and you seem to be pointedly not responding to parts of my argument.

@Masket Aye, but my reasons for finding Skittles less townlike than before is not activity but more in his style thus far. But I'm not ready to straight out determine if he's scum yet.

[mandalorian2298]

I'm not pulling any 'stunts', I just happened to not have made up my mind on who to vote at the time and thus had not voted yet; I was willing to hammer Kwan after I gave him a final chance to say something,
but I did not predict that he was going to bloody hammer himself. Sorry but I don't go into every game assuming someone is going to play a jester.
I'm not trying 'spite you', I just not going to claim because one person has a hard on to vote me for nonsense reasons, Maybe if your nonsense reasons actually got me close to a lynch THEN I'd feel some sort of pressure to claim for nothing.
I'm not going to accept consequences of such shit just because I did not predict when the day might end and I didn't throw out a random vote beforehand in case someone accused me of having some PR that means I muuust be the main villain. you've done a solid job of wasting time thus far and you seem to be pointedly not responding to parts of my argument.

@Masket Aye, but my reasons for finding Skittles less townlike than before is not activity but more in his style thus far. But I'm not ready to straight out determine if he's scum yet.

"You couldn't have make your mind enough to cast 1 vote for 3 weeks?"

That sounds completely plausible. What WAS I thinking? (though at this point the real question is what the hell all the other players, excepting DDS, are thinking? Or if )

[Skoffin]

Think we may have already mentioned that I was going through some shit at that particular time and can honestly say I didn't give enough fucks right then to keep track on whether I threw some meaningless D1 votes around yet

[mandalorian2298]

You don't have to "keep track" to vote, it the most basic part of Mafia. It would be like a soccer player claiming that he didn't run the whole match because he couldn't be bothered to "keep track if he ran in this match".

It's a unique anomaly in my 9 years of playing Mafia on CC and I am treating it as such. I believe I have found a logical explanation.

In fact, why the hell am I following people who's attention to details is so lacking that they are content to just shrug this off?

unvote vote Skoffin

If she recruits another Cultie it won't be because of me and all I can hope for is that Shenzi, whoever she is, is a savvy enough player to stop Skoffin before she recruits more then 1.

[HotShot53]

Mandy, did you really just write a long diatribe that mafia should kill me no matter what tonight because either I am scum or because I am Simba the presumably strongest town power role? How does that benefit town? How does that constitute 'good play' on your part? I said I would claim if you could provide a reason besides some outlandish theory that I have a post restriction, I presume by your speech here that you can't come up with a single valid reason so from here I feel compelled to ignore any more nonsense from you about this.
For someone that claims to be the pro-town hero your actions are coming across as anti-town.

For DJ: The thing I find odd about his claim is that he states he received no message about a herd, it strikes me as odd that a scumster would make a claim that actively contradicts two people that have claimed similar roles.
Why would he not just say "yeah I'm part of the herd too" instead of questioning people who claimed the herd message as it conflicted with him? For the moment I'm inclined to believe he's town.

I'm amending my earlier list. Chu is beginning to seem more town, whereas Skittles has dropped down to my scum list.

I agree with both parts of skoffin's post here... claiming because of a theory about a PR that seems unlikely does not make sense, especially since few people seem to agree with the theory. Mandy seems to have a very narrow, but vocal, focus each day... I sure hope he's not a scum trying to lead us around.

And I have been thinking the same about DJ. I have seen games where the mod words the VT PMs differently, and town gets lynched just because their VT PM is different than others... but that's because the mod worded them differently, not because they were scum. His lack of scum hunting and overall scummarining are still suspicious however.

[FloresDelMal]

Hey everyone, i am leaving on holidays for a week, so my level of activity will most likely drop, but i stand by my vote and i will make time to check from time to time if any new leads pop up.

Now about the whole "something smell rotten on skoffland" argument, she is on my FOS list, but hey i might be overly conscious and more strict on her because i respect her as a player or might be just because she types in red and that makes everything pops, whatever the reason, she has been shifty, but some ppl are always shifty, therefore i think her actions grants an investigation, not a request for a NK, but i do see where mandy is coming from, when it's hard to gather support on a theory you believe in, there might come a time when gambling with your own life is the only way to exert pressure, but since we are still looking into this herd, no name case, i dont think that time is now.