Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[Samlen]

First Welcome Aage, I usually trust Wings judgement so vote TWO

There you go bandwagoning again...


If I'm readingthe past few pages correctly, the sudden lump of votes on TWO is simply because he's not a pokemon? I was under the impression that pokemon and trainers could be anti-town since Team Rocket exists. Seems like another attempt to just get any lynch off, which I gotta admit, with the length of this day, is tempting. Guess I'm in for a reread but I'm still convinced that madmitch's continued behavior is summier.

[kwanton]

Anark, Doom, Bujaber, Tim and Kwanton are not scum.

I didn't actually say anything that can't be inferred from a combination of Tim's post and the mod's first post with the rules. (At least I don't think I did.)

Dont know if he has been honest with name claim. Do know he is not scum.

Anark, Doom and Bujaber are also not scum.

Have you maybe not thought about realising who each town player is? Or is your goal to say who each player is and what their affiliation is so we can weed out who the mafia and possibkevthird townies are? If so, bravo, but if there is not actual thought process behind your posts, then please stop. It's not doing the rest of the town any good to have their positions out in the open for Scum to pick off?

unvote for now.

He's actually not revealing townies, he's revealing survivors. Tim made the third-party faction clear when he claimed. My guess is wild pokemon are in the game for the express purpose of being XP farms for the aligned factions. They are otherwise unimportant in the mafia vs town dynamic. They won't have targets painted on them unless their actual role is revealed. Just revealing faction is fine (especially because it is a theory from a player and all players have imperfect information)

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

They won't have targets painted on them unless their actual role is revealed.

Exactly, only Tim is worth anyones night actions. The rest of us should be ignored.

And I misunderstood you, you are not on my list anymore.

[legionnare]

I definitely agree with the sentiment that this day needs to end to allow us to glean some info from night actions. I put forward that madmitch is the best candidate for a lynch for a few reasons;
1) Mitch you have still not adequately responded to my earlier question:

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2) This post from him just stinks of an attempt to shift attention away from himself just as pressure was building on him:

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3)And as previously mentioned these two posts are a direct contradiction 5 minutes apart:

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4)As I said waaaay back on page 13, I figured that with so many votes on Minister Masket one of them was likely to be scum and put mitch as my top candidate:

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I'm willing to keep the pressure on mitch even if it will make me look scummy if in the event that he flips non-scum.

[legionnare]

@Wing these posts just stating a certain player is this or that contribute nothing to the game, also this post kinda puts you're ability to determine someones alignment in question:

And on a related note. Is anyone going to discuss why Tim felt the need to bring up a so called "elite four" as scum. So he has swung from pretending not to understand Pokemon, to understanding the mechanics of this game in depth.

Guys stop ignoring it.

I once played with someone who took this approach to the game (making statements without context, FOSing anybody who didn't agree) and guess what? Yup, nobody listened to him even on the occasions that his reads would turn out true. The main reason being that without 100% confidence of you yourself being non-scum there's no reason to believe your reads. How about providing some reasoning to your reads for those of us who don't see what you see? There's no harm in doing it as you've already painted a target on them so providing context won't make things worse.
Or is it that you are using the scatter-gun tactic? Throw out a bunch of reads that give you a better chance of being able to say later "Hey remember when I said such and such was non-scum? Told you so!"

[The1exile]

Tim's roleclaim (while silly and unnecessary) seems to indicate that there are loads of "third party" survivors in the form of wild pokemon, then. I still think that chasing trainers will lead us to scum, i.e. MM. I think that since tim didn't claim that wild pokemon are explicitly town as such (he said when team rocket are defeated, which is arguable), this lends more credence to my theory of cults. But I agree with the case on mitch, who has rather dug himself into a hole so in the spirit of pressuring our lead, unvote vote Mitch.

I like the idea that pokemon claiming is suicidal because of type weakness, but it should be trivial to invent a pokemon name of an alternative, preferably without type advantage, so I'm not sure it holds up completely. Maybe we will get word of mod though.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

There's no harm in doing it as you've already painted a target on them so providing context won't make things worse.

There are things you dont know.

We have a trainer here. You just painted a target on YOUR back. I am removing the target from those I name.

I love how upset people are. Wish Storr was here.

[kwanton]

I like the idea that pokemon claiming is suicidal because of type weakness,

I don't think there's any other way to interpret this:

if attacking the damage done depends on things such as the type of pokemon im attacking my typeand level defend same thing but im defending instead of attacking. mandy go ahead and kill me now bye guys

There's no other reason why claiming survivor would be suicidal in a mafia game. Like I said, either a lynch or a NK on a third party survivor is a waste of time. The only reason they would be targeted is if there was something to gain (exp/levels) and if it was known they were an easy target (due to type advantage). If his claim is truthful, then he was just painting a target on his back for any water type pokemon who wanna gain xp. If his claim is truthful.

but it should be trivial to invent a pokemon name of an alternative, preferably without type advantage, so I'm not sure it holds up completely. Maybe we will get word of mod though.

There is a reason why this would not be trivial. The fact that you don't know why makes me think you are a skimmer or suspicious.

FOS Exile

[kwanton]

EBWOP. Goddammit I forgot I had 2 tabs open with 2 replies. Sorry for repeated multiposting

The thing with Tim is that anyone else who is a wild Pokemon should be able to tell immediately whether his claim makes sense. So unless someone who is a wild Pokemon comes out and functionally counter-claims him, no one else should comment. dakky's comment basically screams that he's not a wild Pokemon and we don't want any further bleeding regarding giving scum information on who is who. So, basically, don't comment on Tim's claim unless you know he's lying and therefore probably scum.

Unvote

Tim you have screwed me. Tim is telling truth. Someone had to confirm that.

Please explain this. You've agreed with me that only full role claims are suicidal, and that faction claim is probably fine.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

EBWOP. Goddammit I forgot I had 2 tabs open with 2 replies. Sorry for repeated multiposting

The thing with Tim is that anyone else who is a wild Pokemon should be able to tell immediately whether his claim makes sense. So unless someone who is a wild Pokemon comes out and functionally counter-claims him, no one else should comment. dakky's comment basically screams that he's not a wild Pokemon and we don't want any further bleeding regarding giving scum information on who is who. So, basically, don't comment on Tim's claim unless you know he's lying and therefore probably scum.

Unvote

Tim you have screwed me. Tim is telling truth. Someone had to confirm that.

Please explain this. You've agreed with me that only full role claims are suicidal, and that faction claim is probably fine.

I have come to terms with it. I was pissed in the moment that Tim was forcing me to somewhat out myself to save his bacon. I dont like being forced.

Plus that was 6am this morning, I wasnt exactly thinking perfectly then.

[legionnare]

There's no harm in doing it as you've already painted a target on them so providing context won't make things worse.

There are things you dont know.

We have a trainer here. You just painted a target on YOUR back. I am removing the target from those I name.

I love how upset people are. Wish Storr was here.

This is the only point you respond to? Really? No reasoning as to why you think you don't need to provide context?
I painted a target on my back have I? OH NO, OH PLEASE, OH, wait, wait, the other thing...that it doesn't really bother me. What does bother me is that you seem to think you are removing the target from those you name by claiming you know them to be non scum. How does that help the rest in any way shape or form?
I wish Storr was here as well, at least he had the decency to elucidate on reads when asked....

[TimWoodbury]

so i stirred shit up last night. unvote vote TheWierdOne if wing is going TWO then i shall go TWO as well he stuck his neck out to verify what i said is true then im going to go along with him

[DoomYoshi]

kwanton, you are one dangerous mofo right now. "Outlasting Team Rocket" isn't a 3rd party survivor win condition. That is the definition of a town win condition. Now that you have planted that bullshit idea in the thread, it will be hard to dissipate. 3rd party survivor wins whether Team Rocket or Town wins.

[kwanton]

kwanton, you are one dangerous mofo right now. "Outlasting Team Rocket" isn't a 3rd party survivor win condition. That is the definition of a town win condition. Now that you have planted that bullshit idea in the thread, it will be hard to dissipate. 3rd party survivor wins whether Team Rocket or Town wins.

PS my win con was to live till the end and outlast team rocket... i was was testing dakky to see if he would skum slip and show he was team ocket.

You'd be right if team rocket doesn't win was the only win condition he mentioned. He also stated that he has to live until the end. That is definitely survivor IMO. Townie win condition is usually "kill all mafia/SK".

[kwanton]

quite honestly yall killing me aint gonna help to figure anything out except for 1 of the catagorys i listed in one of my last posts. im just running free of my own will like the wind blows the leaves

Are you claiming third party?

There's also this. I wasn't even the first person to come to this conclusion.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

How does that help the rest in any way shape or form?

Doesnt much. Reduces mislynches, reduces wasteful nightkills.

I dont care about your life in this game. I am actively setting you up to be nightkilled by others tonight.

And despite this i am a terrible lynch choice.

Dance, sucker, dance

[legionnare]

How does that help the rest in any way shape or form?

Doesnt much. Reduces mislynches, reduces wasteful nightkills.

So you think providing more information reduces mislynches? Bwahahahahaha

I dont care about your life in this game. I am actively setting you up to be nightkilled by others tonight.

I hope you succeed, just to prove how bad your judgement of players is, it will be worth it so I can have a good laugh.

And despite this i am a terrible lynch choice.

Did I say you were a good lynch choice? See the thing is, me asking you to share your opinion is the opposite because if you actually backed up your comments you might be worth keeping around. Or maybe your just fluffing in order to look like you have a decent opinion.

Dance, sucker, dance

I don't think it would be to anyone's benefit for to start dancing....

P.S. You've still not given a decent reason why you don't share your opinions.

[aage]

@aage, welcome. In Denmark, your name is dying out, but some old men are still named Aage. Why do you want to policy lynch half the cast?

Cause a group of people has been flinging shit at each other for no reason other than who's got the longer schlong. Not very productive and fairly toxic. I'm all for antagonising players, but don't antagonise people.

Dont know if he has been honest with name claim. Do know he is not scum.

Anark, Doom and Bujaber are also not scum.

Have you maybe not thought about realising who each town player is? Or is your goal to say who each player is and what their affiliation is so we can weed out who the mafia and possibkevthird townies are? If so, bravo, but if there is not actual thought process behind your posts, then please stop. It's not doing the rest of the town any good to have their positions out in the open for Scum to pick off?

unvote for now.

Making town reads on day 1 is actually very valuable. I don't think the slack you give Wing here is warranted at all.


I'm not gonna play Mandy's setup, btw. I don't think Tim is scum, and I don't think Mitch is scum either. Catching them in a lie like this isn't hard because they usually end up contradicting themselves, regardless of alignment. Lynching either of them, however gratifying it may be, is pointless in my opinion. Nark's and The1exile's votes on Mitch after the "catch" seem desperate. Dakky's continued vote on Mitch seems spiteful and therefore wrong. Still sad about last game, Dakky?


Can someone remind me what exactly the case on TWO is? All I see is Wing OMGUS'ing him and people following for some reason.

[Samlen]

Can someone remind me what exactly the case on TWO is? All I see is Wing OMGUS'ing him and people following for some reason.

My best guess is that it's because he couldn't see the 'obvious' reason why Wing's list of people are town. However, Wing's list is really just a list of people most likely to be pokemon, which I'm pretty sure there are mafia sided pokemon since Team Rocket exists in this game. It's a really poor bandwagon in general, especially since non-pokemon can also be either town or mafia.

[Minister Masket]

Tim's roleclaim (while silly and unnecessary) seems to indicate that there are loads of "third party" survivors in the form of wild pokemon, then. I still think that chasing trainers will lead us to scum, i.e. MM. I think that since tim didn't claim that wild pokemon are explicitly town as such (he said when team rocket are defeated, which is arguable), this lends more credence to my theory of cults.

Uh huh. So if you weren't aware of wild Pokemon roles before (ie: you are not one), where does that leave you? Either a possible already caught Pokemon, a trainer (which you say chasing will lead to scum), in a cult (if any), or just simply scum.
How you've avoiding any pressure so far is beyond me. Especially when you're so insistent on me being scum without any evidence to back it up.

Can someone remind me what exactly the case on TWO is? All I see is Wing OMGUS'ing him and people following for some reason.

Just a desperate bandwagon based on very little by the looks of it.

Dont know if he has been honest with name claim. Do know he is not scum.

Anark, Doom and Bujaber are also not scum.

Also he stood up to Wing and I'm by no means convinced by Wing's 'confirming' of non-scum players. I guess you could decipher a few players after Night 1 if you were lucky, but on Day 1? I don't think so.

[nagerous]

The thing with Tim is that anyone else who is a wild Pokemon should be able to tell immediately whether his claim makes sense. So unless someone who is a wild Pokemon comes out and functionally counter-claims him, no one else should comment. dakky's comment basically screams that he's not a wild Pokemon and we don't want any further bleeding regarding giving scum information on who is who. So, basically, don't comment on Tim's claim unless you know he's lying and therefore probably scum.

Unvote

Tim you have screwed me. Tim is telling truth. Someone had to confirm that.

Ugh I wrote a post but the iPad killed it.

Well I dont believe that. It might be believable if you had ever actually written a substantial post.

I'm guessing you were bullied at school and possibly still are being bullied so the way to get your kicks is to act like an asshole on the Internet. You are one of the most extremely distasteful pieces of shit that I have had the pleasure to play mafia with,

[nagerous]

And if anyone is thinking that is an over reaction to his comments, it is more in reference to his earlier completely random ad hominem attacks thrown at me (and also some other players) earlier on in the game as well.. There is no need to play mafia in this manner, and no place for it in the game, but if you attack me in this manner I am not afraid to retaliate with similarly aggressive in nature comments. It is not in my nature to speak to people in this manner but if you sling mud at me I will sling mud back.

[Skoffin]

A new replacement enters the fray eh? I for one welcome our new aage overlord. He sassed me once (admittedly I deserved it) but now is my time to sass him back. HUEHUE!

The whole argument on TWO seems a bit potatoes, he missed something that should have been 'obvious' and thus is not town. I'm not sure I picked up on what Nark said either, but I'll be going back over his posts to see if I did miss something that might prove his side.
I'm not sure why Buj has been added to the town grouping, though. Wing, could you at least state what your reasoning there was based on without going into detail? (eg "he posted something that only a townie could know" or "he has been very helpful for town")

Speaking of Buj - So your argument seems to boil down to "we could learn a lot from lynching him", is that correct? That seems a pretty poor reason to go for someone as you are basically saying you don't care whether they are scum or town as it will give info regardless. I could understand that argument if you had other reasons to justify it, but I have already debunked your other reason.

I've already mentioned this to Mandy, but I'll note here too: I'm not home over the weekends so any posts made by me then will be on mobile and likely brief. Naturally, should things hit the fan, I will endeavour to b emore available anyway. As the game approaches the end I will also be more available, and my circumstances should change by then anyway.

[new guy1]

Unvote Tim Anyone saying his revelation of information was premature, or unnecessary, come on. Are we seriously going to sit here and desire for someone to drag this day out even longer before they give us information that we were pressuring for anyways? His information gives us a basis of who to trust (if you believe his claim) and information on who mafia is, or at least confirmed Team Rocket is in this game. What there helps mafia, or hurts those in the group he is a part of (or you know, separate but similar roles)? It was going to happen due to his case clearly gaining more ground (or at least I seem to remember a bunch of votes going on him in the past few days). I think what he did was a good move, there's no reason to think he'll be blacklisted, IMO, because, second thing on the OP says:

To Quote or not to Quote
If you quote your role, I will neither Mod-Kill you nor particularly care. Someone else probably will, though.

It was a smart move people, don't give him slack. We have more info to work with, and I don't see how he screwed anyone in his group. Just explained to the rest of the game how one of the roles works. Now we know there can (and presumably will) be multiple deaths in the night. I think it's more information gleamed than on most day ones, and I just don't see the expense to anyone but himself. And as has already been mentioned, if he claimed a pokemon he was not, then there's questionable harm to even himself.

I was really convinced on Tim due to his questioning of Team Rocket's existence, but I believe his claim, at least that it is accurate in role. You don't make up how a role operates like that unless you're informed on it. Theoretically that could be incorrect, but I don't think he's bluffing. That said, I don't like the case on madmitch. His slip ups seemed to be normal mitch slips to me, not scum ones. I will be looking through the people who voted on Tim, and most likely vote someone who I felt had shaky reasoning, or seemed to just be bandwagoning to make a quick case, as I don't really support any of the cases at the moment.

FPx3

[nagerous]

I'm still two pages behind but ffs. Either the wild pokemon are town (they are) or the cult-recruiting trainers are town. It can't be both ways.

Why can't it be both ways? A TR KO is good for all no or do you disagree with this view point. Can you please expand on your line of thinking here?