[Official] Choose Your Own Mafia - TOWN WINS

[Metsfanmax]

Mets,thoughts now that epi has flipped town?

I do not know how much there is to be learned from it. I often get into spirited D1 fights with other strong personalities, and sometimes I'm wrong -- but I always admit that I am probably wrong, since it's D1. But I still think his AOG case was kind of absurd, so I'm not sure how many of his other cases to reconsider.

I think one should be wondering why epi was shot. Epi almost got lynched yesterday, except for some maneuvering by Streaker and others (more on that later). He would have been a prime focus today -- why would scum take away one of the most controversial D1 targets? The only scenario I can think of that makes sense as an alternative scenario is that he was the unlucky recipient of a busdrive.

Also, I think we're going to have a tough time figuring out why there was definitely not three kills last night (probably two). Maybe a lucky jailkeeper or doc save?

[Endgame422]

I would guess epi was shot because he was the watcher. Thats a strong town role gone that had very little chance of being protected and zero chance of being bulletproof/busdriver/bomb which are all roles scum are trying to avoid hitting at night.
Epi is a smart choice for scum to hit.
Thankfully the other scum faction isn't as smart.

[madmitch]

I would guess epi was shot because he was the watcher. Thats a strong town role gone that had very little chance of being protected and zero chance of being bulletproof/busdriver/bomb which are all roles scum are trying to avoid hitting at night.
Epi is a smart choice for scum to hit.
Thankfully the other scum faction isn't as smart.

what do you mean the other scum factor why are you one faction

[*Pixar*]

Is it possible that both scum parties chose epi to kill?

[Endgame422]

Is it possible that both scum parties chose epi to kill?

I think it is but i still would guess a save or block happened.

[*Pixar*]

In my opinion I think it's a better chance that scum knowing Epi was a watcher they both chose him, rather than a block happening on day1. Just my thoughts though

[Endgame422]

In my opinion I think it's a better chance that scum knowing Epi was a watcher they both chose him, rather than a block happening on day1. Just my thoughts though

Between the jailer blocking/saving,the doc save,the bulletproof option,and the roleblocker out there i see quite a few options,but we cant really be sure.

[benga]

so dakky targeted wing and mitch killed epi?

or tim killed epi

bit lost here

This post doesn't seem like your lost.
Why was it mitch who killed epi?

Epi: Mets, madmitch, Wing, End

cause out of those voting epi mitch is the most likely killer?

but I am not really sure is he playing crazy or is just plain crazy, considering his posts

if we would go pressure, I would be interested in mainly HS and then pix

especially after this, he is willing to lynch with those two keeping fighting, so he is again under radar

Well, both of my scum reads are now dead, and they were both town... sounds about usual for day 1 reads lol.

And now mitch and AoG have decided to fight... I sure hope one of them is scum, because otherwise we could very easily mislynch them, as they are usually both easy mislynch targets for scum. Right now I would be more on AoG's side... as he says, mitch's logic isn't logical, which pretty much makes it a OMGUS vote.

FP by end

pix presumes or prehaps he ''knows''

In my opinion I think it's a better chance that scum knowing Epi was a watcher they both chose him, rather than a block happening on day1. Just my thoughts though

really sorry I had no time to remove my vote on pt, my bad there, AOG seemed at that point scummy
something draw me to him...and it's not his sexiness

[Whatsausage]

There are probably about a dozen ways that last night could have happened, and with the watcher dead, we can't really figure it out. Even a tracker couldn't know for sure with this many roles. Today I think we really need to stick to reads and potentially relationships to the deceased. I am looking forward to hearing mets' thoughts on the maneuvering he mentioned.

Fp'd by benga
I don't really think we can reduce epi's killers to those who voted him. I think it is likely that scum just wanted the watcher dead instead of someone having a personal vendetta against epi.

[Endgame422]

Bengas logic seems scummy to me here.
He posted with a conclusion that it was mitch beforing seeing if there was any extra information to be had.
He seems to be trying to "lead" us to a mitch lynch,based on the epi kill,which concerns me that he is actually the killer as this a classic play for scum.
Kill a townie who isnt on to you and suggest that town should follows the dead players leads(which scum knows if they are correct or not),it keeps the blame for the mislynch on the dead player.
Bengas reasoning seems like it came after his post about mitch,as opposed to before it.
Mitch may be scum(benga cant be sure) but benga seems like a possibility to me as well.

[subtleknifewield]

OK, my top reads from yesterday are both still alive, interestingly. Hotshot and Streaker.

In addition I can see Endgame's reasoning on Benga, it is a bit suspicious, a bit of a logical jump for him to assume that Mitch did the killing. He can't claim Watcher, because the Watcher is dead, so perhaps he or a potential scum-buddy killed Epi.

Conclusion? I would be willing to vote Benga, Hotshot, or if neither of those, Streaker's voting pattern from yesterday puts him on the wall of suspects for me, too.

For now...

Vote: Benga

[benga]

Bengas logic seems scummy to me here.
He posted with a conclusion that it was mitch beforing seeing if there was any extra information to be had.
He seems to be trying to "lead" us to a mitch lynch,based on the epi kill,which concerns me that he is actually the killer as this a classic play for scum.
Kill a townie who isnt on to you and suggest that town should follows the dead players leads(which scum knows if they are correct or not),it keeps the blame for the mislynch on the dead player.
Bengas reasoning seems like it came after his post about mitch,as opposed to before it.
Mitch may be scum(benga cant be sure) but benga seems like a possibility to me as well.

how did you conclude that?
why would it be scummy to draw a conclusion that out of those who voted epi he can be related to his killing?
in the end not sure what are you saying, mitch is both town and scum?
how did you conclude that my reasoning came after?
you have magic ball or something?

[subtleknifewield]

Bengas logic seems scummy to me here.
He posted with a conclusion that it was mitch beforing seeing if there was any extra information to be had.
He seems to be trying to "lead" us to a mitch lynch,based on the epi kill,which concerns me that he is actually the killer as this a classic play for scum.
Kill a townie who isnt on to you and suggest that town should follows the dead players leads(which scum knows if they are correct or not),it keeps the blame for the mislynch on the dead player.
Bengas reasoning seems like it came after his post about mitch,as opposed to before it.
Mitch may be scum(benga cant be sure) but benga seems like a possibility to me as well.

how did you conclude that?
why would it be scummy to draw a conclusion that out of those who voted epi he can be related to his killing?
in the end not sure what are you saying, mitch is both town and scum?
how did you conclude that my reasoning came after?
you have magic ball or something?

The thing is, its suspicious you would specifically pick Mitch out of the lineup of possible suspects according to who voted for Epi, when several other possibilities exist on that list.

[TimWoodbury]

so dakky targeted wing and mitch killed epi?

or tim killed epi

bit lost here

i killed noone but i guessing that dakky SK killed wing thus wing and dakky dead skum killed epi just a thought im supprised i livedd for the night

[TimWoodbury]

FINAL VOTE COUNT:

ptlowe: AoG, Pixar, benga, Sausage, Tim, skw, Streaker
Epi: Mets, madmitch, Wing, End
madmitch: dakky,
AoG: Epi
Mets: ptlowe

ptlowe has been lynched. he was Vanilla Townie.

Night 1 begins. You have 48 hours to submit your night actions. If you are not using your night action, please send a "No action" PM. Day 2 begins Thursday, Oct 1, at 0600CCT.

with the vote called we know that the double voter is one of the 7 that was on pt. we can eleminate me being the double vote so theres 6 there to pick from im thinking at least 1 skum voted for pt and another voted for mets, maybe we look into the ones who voted for pt and epi

[TimWoodbury]

If any scum had their kill stopped, they should come forward and say who they targeted and then we could figure out what exactly happened.

lol I hope this was a joke...

hmmm sausage was that a typo why would skum come out and say there kill was stpped would be silly way for them to die

[TimWoodbury]

Why wait? No one is just going to pop up out of nowhere, and it takes 6 votes to lynch.

why be so quick to wanna put votes out??? yah takes 6 to lynch but no need to put votes out only hours after d2 starts...
FOS @sausage

[Metsfanmax]

Bengas logic seems scummy to me here.
He posted with a conclusion that it was mitch beforing seeing if there was any extra information to be had.
He seems to be trying to "lead" us to a mitch lynch,based on the epi kill,which concerns me that he is actually the killer as this a classic play for scum.
Kill a townie who isnt on to you and suggest that town should follows the dead players leads(which scum knows if they are correct or not),it keeps the blame for the mislynch on the dead player.
Bengas reasoning seems like it came after his post about mitch,as opposed to before it.
Mitch may be scum(benga cant be sure) but benga seems like a possibility to me as well.

how did you conclude that?
why would it be scummy to draw a conclusion that out of those who voted epi he can be related to his killing?
in the end not sure what are you saying, mitch is both town and scum?
how did you conclude that my reasoning came after?
you have magic ball or something?

The thing is, its suspicious you would specifically pick Mitch out of the lineup of possible suspects according to who voted for Epi, when several other possibilities exist on that list.

You would have made that point if he picked any person on that list, so what's your point?

[TimWoodbury]

Also the only living player wing expressed that he thought might be scum is pix.
Not real sure what to make of pix myself but throwing it out there.

this is true pixar seemed a little supprised that "so many" died think he was thinking how did the skum kills get stopped

[subtleknifewield]

Bengas logic seems scummy to me here.
He posted with a conclusion that it was mitch beforing seeing if there was any extra information to be had.
He seems to be trying to "lead" us to a mitch lynch,based on the epi kill,which concerns me that he is actually the killer as this a classic play for scum.
Kill a townie who isnt on to you and suggest that town should follows the dead players leads(which scum knows if they are correct or not),it keeps the blame for the mislynch on the dead player.
Bengas reasoning seems like it came after his post about mitch,as opposed to before it.
Mitch may be scum(benga cant be sure) but benga seems like a possibility to me as well.

how did you conclude that?
why would it be scummy to draw a conclusion that out of those who voted epi he can be related to his killing?
in the end not sure what are you saying, mitch is both town and scum?
how did you conclude that my reasoning came after?
you have magic ball or something?

The thing is, its suspicious you would specifically pick Mitch out of the lineup of possible suspects according to who voted for Epi, when several other possibilities exist on that list.

You would have made that point if he picked any person on that list, so what's your point?

Damn straight I would have made the comment if he picked anyone else. He picked a specific person, which is in itself suspicious, and did not even acknowledge the others that voted that way as possibilities.

That seems like tunnel vision to me, at the very least.

[Metsfanmax]

Bengas logic seems scummy to me here.
He posted with a conclusion that it was mitch beforing seeing if there was any extra information to be had.
He seems to be trying to "lead" us to a mitch lynch,based on the epi kill,which concerns me that he is actually the killer as this a classic play for scum.
Kill a townie who isnt on to you and suggest that town should follows the dead players leads(which scum knows if they are correct or not),it keeps the blame for the mislynch on the dead player.
Bengas reasoning seems like it came after his post about mitch,as opposed to before it.
Mitch may be scum(benga cant be sure) but benga seems like a possibility to me as well.

how did you conclude that?
why would it be scummy to draw a conclusion that out of those who voted epi he can be related to his killing?
in the end not sure what are you saying, mitch is both town and scum?
how did you conclude that my reasoning came after?
you have magic ball or something?

The thing is, its suspicious you would specifically pick Mitch out of the lineup of possible suspects according to who voted for Epi, when several other possibilities exist on that list.

You would have made that point if he picked any person on that list, so what's your point?

Damn straight I would have made the comment if he picked anyone else. He picked a specific person, which is in itself suspicious, and did not even acknowledge the others that voted that way as possibilities.

That seems like tunnel vision to me, at the very least.

It's weak reasoning to constantly rely on the trope that bad reasoning is inherently scummy. Sometimes bad reasoning is just bad reasoning.

[subtleknifewield]

If you think so, I'm probably not gonna be able to convince you. I've made my case, I'm sticking with it unless he can convince me otherwise.

I will say this...if he had more than that he would have brought it out by now, and he refuses to acknowledge that he could be wrong, from what I have seen.

[Endgame422]

While bad reasoning is not inherently scummy,it does raise an eyebrow.
VOTE HOTSHOT
I am sticking with this one. He slipped by yesterday because a few people called him a D2 player.
It's D2 and still hes just skating by.
Also i will consider streaker,and the mitchvsAoG issue at this point.

[Streaker]

Mod, just to be sure, if there is no majority by the deadline, is there a no-lynch or is there a plurality lynch? I just looked at the rules, and don't see it mentioned either way.

I will update that in the OP. Lack of majority will result in a no-lynch.

Ok, everyone was assuming that, but figured it was best to make sure that's how you intended it.

I know I haven't been participating as much as I probably should be; between being busy at work with deadlines coming up and all the extra games from the cc olympics I don't have the time to look at everyone as in-depth as I'd like to. And other than the points I made when voting wing, I haven't really seen anything that jumped out at me... I can see both sides of most of the cases. After night 1 when a lot of people will flip, we'll have a lot better idea on the ones who are left.

As to who I'd vote to lynch other than wing... right now I don't see any of the cases as strong enough to lynch someone off of really, and no-one has been pressured enough to even get close to L-2 (although somehow we have 3 claims anyway lol). Even Mitch and AoG have been making more reasoned arguments than their usual.

There is one other post where he votes wing, but even that one has little to chew on.
This is the prime example of a scum trying to stear in the middle of a game. Not many posts, and the ones he makes are safe posts (not directly questioning/interogating/forming opinions). Apart from his vote on wing, he made 0 reads. If I missed a post when rereading, please correct me.
Questions to the mod, not enough time, not enough content to make reads on, 'seeing both side of cases'. Everything a scum says to appear active.

Vote HotShot

I want to stick my neck out for Mitch here, while his play and comments aren't as well-founded as they could be, he IS sticking it out there and not afraid to stir things up. What I've seen from him as scum is the complete opposite, hiding behind other player's arguments and mostly flavour or a claim. He is doing the latter a little bit. There, i've done it. A read on Mitch.

If Hotshot is really scum and we catch him for such a pedestrian reason as straight up bandwagoning, I'm going to be sorely disappointed in his play.

I can't help but feel a bit strange about mets' remark here. This feels like a scum telling his partner he's making a mistake.

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Also found this post while reviewing:

Mod question for you. Lets say last two standing are bomb and SK. Who wins if the SK targets the Bomb during a night action?

I just reviewed all the win conditions, and I will say that in the specific case of SK vs bomb, the bomb's faction would win.

I hope the bomb lasts long enough to make this happen.

[subtleknifewield]

If enough people vote for Hotshot, I a openly stating now, I am willing to put the hammer on him, and if anyone asks why, please refer to the post where I voted for Benga earlier on this page; I already gave a list of which he was only one of three which I was willing to vote for.