Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[jgordon1111]

Milkshake, can you give us a ballpark figure on when you can catch up with the game and actually contribute? Maybe 2-3 days from now?

and just so the rest of us understand would you care to enlighten us Rodion why he trusts you so much?

I think it has something to do with my high IQ.

Nice OMGUS, by the way

LOL I just asked the question before anyone else did or threw a vote on you, nice sidestep on the answer though.

[Leehar]

As for the rest that I see going on we have many conversations at the moment, and either people are skimming or not caring to comment on other things going on. I know myself it's hard to keep up with it all, but the conversation Doom, Neb, Clever, Saf, PMC, and I are having (and I think Leehar and Dazza are in it) are dominating the thread, while there's also some smaller conversations going on as well.

In both everyone is looking for a place to go, so I suggest we try to merge into a single conversation or we will get no where before the deadline. We have the following really to go on that everyone is mixing between.
~Inactives
~JG's third party survivor role
~People now questioning anyone who's really stood up for claimed doc (Which some still seem to question).
~And some smaller cases I can't name off the bat, but I gotta go to sleep, so I'll make sure to get a full list up tomorrow.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but after seeing those notes by pmc, and these interesting vote counts ng runs while not actually contributing much else other then that we have a long deadline...

I'd still like to get some other inactives going, cm5 has left the building so it'll be a while before we have replacement, and shield is out for a week+ as well, but I'm sure there are quite a few other hangers-on here (Someone mentioned Spartacus earlier?)

The worry however, is that we've already got 2 claims today, so pressuring someone else for a claim isn't really worth it anymore

Milkshake, can you give us a ballpark figure on when you can catch up with the game and actually contribute? Maybe 2-3 days from now?

and just so the rest of us understand would you care to enlighten us Rodion why he trusts you so much?

I think it has something to do with my high IQ.

Nice OMGUS, by the way

LOL I just asked the question before anyone else did or threw a vote on you, nice sidestep on the answer though.

As Clever said (skimming jg?), shield piggy-backed on ghostly in bulge, so I really doubt you can look too deeply in it

[Some7hingCLEVER]

As for the rest that I see going on we have many conversations at the moment, and either people are skimming or not caring to comment on other things going on. I know myself it's hard to keep up with it all, but the conversation Doom, Neb, Clever, Saf, PMC, and I are having (and I think Leehar and Dazza are in it) are dominating the thread, while there's also some smaller conversations going on as well.

In both everyone is looking for a place to go, so I suggest we try to merge into a single conversation or we will get no where before the deadline. We have the following really to go on that everyone is mixing between.
~Inactives
~JG's third party survivor role
~People now questioning anyone who's really stood up for claimed doc (Which some still seem to question).
~And some smaller cases I can't name off the bat, but I gotta go to sleep, so I'll make sure to get a full list up tomorrow.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but after seeing those notes by pmc, and these interesting vote counts ng runs while not actually contributing much else other then that we have a long deadline...

I'd still like to get some other inactives going, cm5 has left the building so it'll be a while before we have replacement, and shield is out for a week+ as well, but I'm sure there are quite a few other hangers-on here (Someone mentioned Spartacus earlier?)

The worry however, is that we've already got 2 claims today, so pressuring someone else for a claim isn't really worth it anymore

Milkshake, can you give us a ballpark figure on when you can catch up with the game and actually contribute? Maybe 2-3 days from now?

and just so the rest of us understand would you care to enlighten us Rodion why he trusts you so much?

I think it has something to do with my high IQ.

Nice OMGUS, by the way

LOL I just asked the question before anyone else did or threw a vote on you, nice sidestep on the answer though.

As Clever said (skimming jg?), shield piggy-backed on ghostly in bulge, so I really doubt you can look too deeply in it

i actually just realized he also piggybacked on me in pokemon mafia. so ya i dont thnk you can look into that at all

[jgordon1111]

not skimmng at all leehar,I read everything he said and made my response prior to anyone announcing he had played that way in previous games, of which I was in neither of. And I had never heard of this happening before. In essence giving any player you choose in the game use of your vote.

I could see this tactic if Rodion had claimed and it had been proven. But D1,thats outrageous to say the least.

There is nothing that has been said by Rodion so far that clearly says he is town, on the other hand nothing I have seen would leave me to believe he is scum either.

Sg7 I like you, but not this tactic if you use it frequently it in a way gives you a cover of town and protects you. you have used it before apparently to identify yourself as town. When is going to be the time you are wise enough to use it as scum to hide?

My vote stays where it is.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

not skimmng at all leehar,I read everything he said and made my response prior to anyone announcing he had played that way in previous games, of which I was in neither of. And I had never heard of this happening before. In essence giving any player you choose in the game use of your vote.

I could see this tactic if Rodion had claimed and it had been proven. But D1,thats outrageous to say the least.

There is nothing that has been said by Rodion so far that clearly says he is town, on the other hand nothing I have seen would leave me to believe he is scum either.

Sg7 I like you, but not this tactic if you use it frequently it in a way gives you a cover of town and protects you. you have used it before apparently to identify yourself as town. When is going to be the time you are wise enough to use it as scum to hide?

My vote stays where it is.

he has never used it before and i dont think it has ever been done before i think he was just joking.

[jak111]

LOL I just asked the question before anyone else did or threw a vote on you, nice sidestep on the answer though.

As Clever said (skimming jg?), shield piggy-backed on ghostly in bulge, so I really doubt you can look too deeply in it[/quote]

This is Bulge, Leehar. :3 Got too many tabs open?

As for now, I have no clue where to go, CMS is being replaced so I guess his character is invincible until then unless people think it wise to lynch him? (I'm so-so about it, he was possible scum for all we knew).

But as of now, I don't really have a case to go on in this game except for Ragian. Whom I believe I saw him post a bit ago?

[Leehar]

Argh!!! I have no clue whats going on in. Matrix I say matrix, and in Bulge I say Bulge /sigh
This is why we need more flavour discussions It'd be hard to confuse the games from those

And jg, he didn't do it before, he did it simultaneously in all 3 games. Just like when I resigned from 3, it really isn't supposed to say anything one way or the other then that sg is leaving for a few days and if possible he'd still like to be of use in voting

[safariguy5]

Sparticus asked for a replacement in Matrix via PM, he may have done the same here. Well that's great...

[new guy1]

As for the rest that I see going on we have many conversations at the moment, and either people are skimming or not caring to comment on other things going on. I know myself it's hard to keep up with it all, but the conversation Doom, Neb, Clever, Saf, PMC, and I are having (and I think Leehar and Dazza are in it) are dominating the thread, while there's also some smaller conversations going on as well.

In both everyone is looking for a place to go, so I suggest we try to merge into a single conversation or we will get no where before the deadline. We have the following really to go on that everyone is mixing between.
~Inactives
~JG's third party survivor role
~People now questioning anyone who's really stood up for claimed doc (Which some still seem to question).
~And some smaller cases I can't name off the bat, but I gotta go to sleep, so I'll make sure to get a full list up tomorrow.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but after seeing those notes by pmc, and these interesting vote counts ng runs while not actually contributing much else other then that we have a long deadline...

I'd still like to get some other inactives going, cm5 has left the building so it'll be a while before we have replacement, and shield is out for a week+ as well, but I'm sure there are quite a few other hangers-on here (Someone mentioned Spartacus earlier?)

The worry however, is that we've already got 2 claims today, so pressuring someone else for a claim isn't really worth it anymore

Milkshake, can you give us a ballpark figure on when you can catch up with the game and actually contribute? Maybe 2-3 days from now?

and just so the rest of us understand would you care to enlighten us Rodion why he trusts you so much?

I think it has something to do with my high IQ.

Nice OMGUS, by the way

LOL I just asked the question before anyone else did or threw a vote on you, nice sidestep on the answer though.

As Clever said (skimming jg?), shield piggy-backed on ghostly in bulge, so I really doubt you can look too deeply in it

Sorry for quoting this large post to post so little, but I find it interesting. I do not really remember PMC posting notes about this game, but of another game. Therefore the notes that I remember would not help leehar decide that he had good notes, and I do not see why my private vote counts are interesting.

[jgordon1111]

This is nuts,is that 3 down or 2. not sure about spartacus. how long is it going to take to get replacements.

And leehar I wasnt skimming I didnt know what he was asking to do was possible and I am not in the other games so I couldnt know about them.

But I do know he isnt using it for a sheild,like I thought arrrgh UNVOTE SG7

[jgordon1111]

to heck with this one more drops I suicide. Otherwise this game is going to be so screwed up no one will know whats going on except of course lynch the survivor. now thats funny

[Some7hingCLEVER]

This is nuts,is that 3 down or 2. not sure about spartacus. how long is it going to take to get replacements.

And leehar I wasnt skimming I didnt know what he was asking to do was possible and I am not in the other games so I couldnt know about them.

But I do know he isnt using it for a sheild,like I thought arrrgh UNVOTE SG7

why in the world are you voting him. he will be back. the othrers asked for replacements we might as well get one of them or an inactive but not a guy who has a legit reason for being gone and will be back. FOS jgordon for that one.

[new guy1]

This is nuts,is that 3 down or 2. not sure about spartacus. how long is it going to take to get replacements.

And leehar I wasnt skimming I didnt know what he was asking to do was possible and I am not in the other games so I couldnt know about them.

But I do know he isnt using it for a sheild,like I thought arrrgh UNVOTE SG7

why in the world are you voting him. he will be back. the othrers asked for replacements we might as well get one of them or an inactive but not a guy who has a legit reason for being gone and will be back. FOS jgordon for that one.

Whats the point of an FOS when he has already claimed and he is the most likely candidate for a lynch if we find nobody else?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

This is nuts,is that 3 down or 2. not sure about spartacus. how long is it going to take to get replacements.

And leehar I wasnt skimming I didnt know what he was asking to do was possible and I am not in the other games so I couldnt know about them.

But I do know he isnt using it for a sheild,like I thought arrrgh UNVOTE SG7

why in the world are you voting him. he will be back. the othrers asked for replacements we might as well get one of them or an inactive but not a guy who has a legit reason for being gone and will be back. FOS jgordon for that one.

Whats the point of an FOS when he has already claimed and he is the most likely candidate for a lynch if we find nobody else?

ya i just thought of that actually hmmm i dont wanna vote him cause i still think jonty is a better candidate

[ghostly447]

Will get a vote count done tonight. Deadline is still 5/7/12 at around 9pm EST. Must find replacements for the following 2: SPARTACUS1974, CrazyMilkShake5.

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Back, and reading up, looooong catch up, so things may not immediately click for me, but I'll note the few things that did pop out when I read through.

PMC. You make all those notes, and a VC never crosses your mind? All you need to do is take out your computer notebook and type up the names of the voters next to the votees. I find it hard to believe that it would never cross your mind in this game, especially after all those votes on JG started going up. Small FOS.

Seriously, how is that possibly a FOS?
"Hey Man, why are you not doing that thing you don't do in any game regardless of alignment? That makes it slightly more likely you received a mafia role in this game!"
I don't keep counts either, but I will do a fast tally between the last mod count and the current posts before voting.

The worry however, is that we've already got 2 claims today, so pressuring someone else for a claim isn't really worth it anymore

why is that? I do not advocate mass claims, but does having people claim make further claims/lynches less tactically valuable?
Would a no lynch be preferential, or do you prefer focusing pressure on those who have already claimed so we do not let scum sip through?


@Jgordon, why would you prefer town to win over mafia? is it just a flavor thing about being a polish holocaust victim? (Which now that I think about it, how can a holocaust survivor win with Nazis? ) you go on and on about how everyone and their grandma is a lazy mindless bandwagoner, why would you unquestioningly root for the team that is "lazy" and kills you?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

lol ya jgordon why do you want us to win! were just gonna kill you anyway.

[new guy1]

/, the thing is I wouldnt be on his case if he didnt take notes, but I would think if he was reading through 2 or 3 times throughout the game he would have enough time to keep a copied and pasted, updated, vote count. But I have basically dropped it. I dont have anything else to accuse him with anyways.

[pmchugh]

/, the thing is I wouldnt be on his case if he didnt take notes, but I would think if he was reading through 2 or 3 times throughout the game he would have enough time to keep a copied and pasted, updated, vote count. But I have basically dropped it. I dont have anything else to accuse him with anyways.

I never took at as an FOS even though you said it, because it is ridiculous to accuse someone of doing the same thing they always do. I do have enough time, its just not something I have ever considered important. It is my job to catch scum, it is the mods job to post VCs.

@Clever- Why are you sticking up for sg7 so much? He could answer himself.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

/, the thing is I wouldnt be on his case if he didnt take notes, but I would think if he was reading through 2 or 3 times throughout the game he would have enough time to keep a copied and pasted, updated, vote count. But I have basically dropped it. I dont have anything else to accuse him with anyways.

I never took at as an FOS even though you said it, because it is ridiculous to accuse someone of doing the same thing they always do. I do have enough time, its just not something I have ever considered important. It is my job to catch scum, it is the mods job to post VCs.

@Clever- Why are you sticking up for sg7 so much? He could answer himself.

cause he is my master and cause i believe it to be the way i feel true and he isnt here

[jgordon1111]

This is nuts,is that 3 down or 2. not sure about spartacus. how long is it going to take to get replacements.

And leehar I wasnt skimming I didnt know what he was asking to do was possible and I am not in the other games so I couldnt know about them.

But I do know he isnt using it for a sheild,like I thought arrrgh UNVOTE SG7

why in the world are you voting him. he will be back. the othrers asked for replacements we might as well get one of them or an inactive but not a guy who has a legit reason for being gone and will be back. FOS jgordon for that one.

2 things here clever,

1. you either didnt read my post that you quoted at all.

2. Or you are trying to rekindle the bandwagon on me.

I am going to choose to believe the bandwagon theory here because up till now I figure you have followed pretty close what has been going on.

that combination and some of your other responses now make you look like scum, If you are going to ask what other responses I am going to refer to the question PMC put to you. Ok you are friends or whatever cool I can see that but jumping out to defend someone in that manner in this type of game where you cannot be not sure of their alignment,says volumes about the possibility of your role.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

This is nuts,is that 3 down or 2. not sure about spartacus. how long is it going to take to get replacements.

And leehar I wasnt skimming I didnt know what he was asking to do was possible and I am not in the other games so I couldnt know about them.

But I do know he isnt using it for a sheild,like I thought arrrgh UNVOTE SG7

why in the world are you voting him. he will be back. the othrers asked for replacements we might as well get one of them or an inactive but not a guy who has a legit reason for being gone and will be back. FOS jgordon for that one.

2 things here clever,

1. you either didnt read my post that you quoted at all.

2. Or you are trying to rekindle the bandwagon on me.

I am going to choose to believe the bandwagon theory here because up till now I figure you have followed pretty close what has been going on.

that combination and some of your other responses now make you look like scum, If you are going to ask what other responses I am going to refer to the question PMC put to you. Ok you are friends or whatever cool I can see that but jumping out to defend someone in that manner in this type of game where you cannot be not sure of their alignment,says volumes about the possibility of your role.

...i feel ridiculously stupid...all i can say is i misread it...ummm..damn i really dont know what to say but that no matter who it was you would have done that to then i wuld have defended them...i defend based on what someone says not on who its said to. sorry i read that wrong.

[safariguy5]

lol ya jgordon why do you want us to win! were just gonna kill you anyway.

This comment has extremely odd timing. This would have made a little more sense if we were in the middle of pressuring jgordon. However, at this point in time, with the pressure off and the deadline extended, I see no reason for this post. As I said before, if a survivor wants town to win, that's no concern to me. And we aren't yet under deadline pressure to make a sweeping generalization about lynching jgordon. It's not so much the first part of the post that bothers me but more the second part where clever is not only rehashing an old argument but also apparently trying to steer the lynch when we have some time left.

Also, the post where clever basically wants to ally himself with sg7 because of some perceived loyalty is just beyond dumb. PMC got me my start in modding, tails is someone I consider a good mafia friend, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stick by them every game unless I'm sure we're on the same side.

unvote vote clever

[jak111]

Hmm, I'm glad others are thinking this as well, I just read the last page and this page and thought no one caught it. But Clever is playing a bit odd here. He 'misses' an Unvote as he calls jg on a vote? Either late response or skimming through it.

Then we move onto "We're just going to kill you anyways" comment. There was no need for that and jg, while not town and he admits he's not town, he's given more insights in town's favor than you have Clever. So my question is who is we? Also, the way you worded it. It seems odd to me, you never said lynch, you said kill... So again, who's the we, Clever?

While inactives are huge problems in the game, they can be dealt with. But I'm not going to sit back the only day I have to do anything for the town and let this slide. You said "we" and "kill" Clever, neither of which am I comfortable with, especially toward someone that has contributed way more than a lot of the town (yes, I know and they should know as well of the ones that are contributing, but the ones also know who they are whom aren't).

For the following reasons Clever, my vote is landing onto you.
~ You skimmed over JG's unvote.
~ You tried to bring up JG's bandwagon again with the extended deadline confirmed.
~ You tried to say how the town will work when we still don't know who we're going to lynch.
~ You mentioned kill instead of lynch, yes you'll just say, "oops, my bad" but the first time people mention things are what they usually really mean.
~ You're trying to end the day with a lynch on a useful player with a little more than a week until the deadline.

Unvote, Vote Clever

[new guy1]

I must agree CLEVER's wording was bad, but I must also point out that your last reason is bad as EVERYONE wanted a lynch till I said to calm your tits. Just saying, and also for the reasons given in Jak's post, Vote CLEVER