Dark Knight Mafia! The End! Town Win!

[SEAsportsfan]

a sophisticated looking man walked in.

hmm... scarecrow? before he went all crazy he looked sophisticated

Or possibly the Asian business man? (Lau?) I do not recall him being killed yet, and surely he's in the game.

[Natewolfman]

a sophisticated looking man walked in.

hmm... scarecrow? before he went all crazy he looked sophisticated

Or possibly the Asian business man? (Lau?) I do not recall him being killed yet, and surely he's in the game.

hes he did die, remember? the last night i belive

[SEAsportsfan]

oh of course i've had quite a lack of sleep recently, my bad.

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So around half the living players are rival killing factions? In this situation I think mass claiming may be wise, not only will it help possibly reveal the killers, but also it is beneficial to killing factions to knock off their competition, making it less likely for the town to die by tomorrow.

[Thezzaruz]

a sophisticated looking man walked in.

hmm... scarecrow? before he went all crazy he looked sophisticated

Sal Maroni... Think we've already established him being the likely Mob boss (GF?) to ace's "henchman".

[ga7]

Argh I read this scene just before going to bed and it made me thinking instead of sleeping
Number-wise, we're in pretty deep shit. Basically we of course need to get a scum today, preferably the Joker in case he gets lucky with the explosives (kinda doubt so but who knows), but it will still entirely depend on the night actions.
Content-wise, I believe Spiesr's death had so big consequences I'll have to spend some time tomorrow to determine them all, but one important thing I just realized is that both LSU and Spiesr died in the same way, and since Spiesr had a daykill shot I think he died trying to kill the "sophisticated looking" guy. Which means on top of the huge quantity of scum we've had to deal with, I think the green mafia leader is some kind of PGO. Depending on how he works (only kills his attacker or anyone coming to target him) it could have disastrous consequences for the town, and for which I can only hope Will kept a semblance of decency and balance
About mass claiming, since there's not many possible important townie roles left I can think of odds are it will be useless. Without giving ideas to scum, I don't think we'll be able to sort them out that way, but since half the town claimed already I suppose we could finish it.
Well, more on actual suspects tomorrow, this will be challenging for sure ><

[SEAsportsfan]

I'm thinking that we should have a list of everyone and their claims (or lack thereof), then we can kind of narrow down what we need to. I can do that sometime tomorrow if need be.

[ga7]

Well first I wanted to look back at the entire sequence of events, what the scum did and who died/claimed who, so here goes.

Day 1: after the Kalish wagon Nag tried to start a wagon on SEA, it ended as a no lynch. It might be the case that Nag knew at the time there was just a bit more than a day left before the deadline, so unconclusive.

Night 1: no kill. If we have a roleblocker which would be pretty neat at this point as I believe no other actions will be useful in the night phase, please come out with your actions.

Day 2: Nate is wagonned and claims Batman, and that his night 1 investigation on Pmc was innocent. Derf claims Nag was talking about money. Nag defends himself by requesting an investigation. Day ends as no lynch.

Night 2: Ace, green goon dies. "found dead with dog bites, and a gun shot to the head." I doubt town has a vig since there seems to be a truckload of scum with kill abilities but I wonder as it doesn't sound much like the Joker kill. "Many witnesses say they saw ace1217 leaving his home, which question's the fact the his death was planned since the killers would have to look around the entire city for him." Maybe a busdriver action caused Ace's death? Pmc is missing.

Day 3: Nate says Nag is innocent. I guess it is possible LSU had busdrived him but more likely it is related to his Convincer power; perhaps something along the lines of changing an action's result. Derf says I wear custom clothes, I have no clue if it's me who was busdrived for some reason (kinda unlikely since I'd be a popular target) or if Will considered the butler's clothes custom. Pmc returns, dumped by a truck. He says someone made a sacrifice to get him free and that it's the Joker that kidnapped him. Unless this was an extra power that would mean the Joker took care of Pmc and didn't cause the Ace kill. Does anyone remember if the mob had dogs? I find it more and more possible that LSU had busdrived Ace and caused the green mob a selfkill Ani claims Lucius Fox, inventor, and gave a roleblock to Derf and a kill to Pmc. Derf, flavour cop, ends up day killed by Two face. Nag proposes the lynch of Illy if I'm town and suggests an investigation on him. All alive except / and Thezz voted me, and I get saved somehow.

Night 3: Nag, green convincer, Illy, politician, LSU, joker goon die. Quite clear Nag died by Two-face, Illy by the Joker, and LSU by the green mob.

Dy 4: Ani claims Dent, survivor. Nate investigated Illy and got no result. Pmc, / and SEA first vote Ani, then retract. Ani gets daykilled by the Joker. Ani said he had to follow "rules" with his whole fakeclaim business so likely he messed up and caused his death. Strider, doc/tracker dies by Two-face (oh the irony ). Spiesr, joker goon/1-shot daykill gets, well, daykilled after going after me then Pmc. I was going by the idea that he used his daykill shot but it just occured to me he might have used it to cause the Ani kill... Not too sure. If it's not Ani I stand by my hypothesis of the green boss being some kind of PGO, as I doubt Spiesr wouldn't have used his daykill in this phase.

To continue later. Man it's been a while, this game is old skool

[Natewolfman]

Ani said he had to follow "rules" with his whole fakeclaim business so likely he messed up and caused his death.

william stated afterword that it was not because he went against the rules

[ga7]

Hello everyone, you might have caught on with another one of my tricks. To bad animorph went out of bounds, now he has to pay the penelty. Im so disappointed. Do you think im stupid, since by the way you were acting, it seems like you thought I would allow a lopehole of somesort. Hehe, well your wrong. You see you can't cheat The Joker. Animorph, please open your wallet" .

/feels cheated about death.

SERIOUSLY, though, everything I did was in the rules.

Ani wasn't modkilled.

The way I read it Will said he didn't modkill him but it sounds like Ani had rules to follow or he would die. So not a modkill per se since it results from Ani's own actions...

[Minister Masket]

Ok, so that's...what...5 day killers now?
Hmm...I may have to reconsider my priority to stay alive, as I can't see it staying that way for much longer.

[pmchugh]

Man it's been a while, this game is old skool

Yeah great game will

Players are dropping off dead quickly, and we need a good lynch today.

Players:
1.Natewolfman- CLAIMED BATMAN
13.Ga7- CLAIMED BUTLER

3.Thezzuruz
7.SEAsportsfan
8./
9.Minister masket
11.pmchugh


I do admit ga7's non-lynch was suspcious but everything else points to him being town. The fact Nate is an unlimited JOAT, his overall play and that no-one has counter-claimed.

Dead:
5.ace1217(Gambol [ ???"s Henchman]) Night 2 Kill
10.Derfderf34 (Coleman Reese [Flavour Cop]) Day 3 Kill
6.Nagerous (Lau[Convincer]) Night 3 kill
14.Iliad ( Anthony Garcia[Politician]) Night 3 kill
12.LSU Tiger Josh(Joker's Thug[Busdriver/Goon]) Night 3 kill
2.Animorpherv1(Lucius Fox[Inventor]) Day 4 kill
15.strider24(Racheal Dawes[Tracker/Doctor]) Day 4 kill
4.spiesr (Joker's Henchman[Mafia Goon/1-shot daykill]) Day 4 kill


Replacements:

We are left with 5 players and at least 2 scum + twoface. Meaning that their is 6 town, 7 non-town and 2 unkonwns. I think it very very probable that these last two are town.

I know I'm town leaving me just one town out of:
Thez
/
MM
SEA

Personally I believe it to be SEA, and I think it likely the Joker is Thez. He has pushed for ga7's lynch still even although he is a claimed town power role and OMGUS'd a few times. I'm happy to lynch MM or /, but most of all I would like to lynch Thez.

A more in depth look at Thez later.

[Minister Masket]

Poo, guess how many of us are still alive.

SEVEN.

And why would you be happy to lynch me pmc? Because I haven't claimed yet?

[pmchugh]

Poo, guess how many of us are still alive.

SEVEN.

And why would you be happy to lynch me pmc? Because I haven't claimed yet?

Because the odds are 25% that you are town from my view.

Even from a neutrals view they are only 40%. Presuming that nate and ga7's claims are true and that we have at least 3 non town left.

[ga7]

Now to the suspects.

First of all Pmc. Since I noticed reading back that the scene doesn't mention specifically it's the Joker that had kidnapped him and it's him who came forward with that, I guess there is a chance the kidnapper was from the green mafia but... Doesn't seem to fit. I think there is a chance he could be Two face because of the kidnapping though, it would fit the movie quite well to have Harvey Dent kidnapped and changed to Two face if targeted by the Joker. It would also explain why I have this townie feeling from him In any case, I'm eager to see his opinion on the mass claim topic at least.

SEA. I wrote him off as a townie noob earlier but things might not be so clear cut. Relevant quotes:

here's what i believe:

I believe that Derf is telling the truth, that's just what my gut says

I believe that Nag is NOT a bad guy...that money could be Lucious's....wouldn't we feel stupid if we lynched someone that important?!

So, as of right now, as much as I don't want to go another day without a lynch, I am not going to vote...

wow, that really sucked, we just lost two town..... But, hopefully, we can find some evidence on somebody who would want to kill Nag. I'm gonna reread a couple pages to see if someone was trying to get Nag lynched.

a sophisticated looking man walked in.

hmm... scarecrow? before he went all crazy he looked sophisticated

Or possibly the Asian business man? (Lau?) I do not recall him being killed yet, and surely he's in the game.

Could be a coincidence and he was just confused, but I find it weird that one day he says he'll put specific attention on Nag's death (and maybe wants to make him appear town) and then forgets all about Lau. I don't picture him as the joker, and I guess it's not impossible seeing the kills he would fit Two face, but the green mob thing is a bit weird.

Masket:
I forgot to save the quote where he said he was gonna be helpful and never got around it That seems to be a reccurent problem.

A few of us should try and crack this independently to eliminate any mistakes.
I'll take a look tommorow.

Also: "???'s" henchman? Who is this ??? I don't recall a "Gambol" in The Dark Knight.....

You really need to see the movie.
This is probaby Sal Maroni, whose legs are broken by Batman about halfway through the film, and then has his car crashed by Two-Face at the end. Unlucky bloke.

(Fun Fact: The actor who playes him is Julia Roberts' brother)

Consistency. I did see the movie but for some reason can only recall the main mobster from Batman Begins which I watched after DK Anyway this is slim but paradoxical.

Woah woah woah, let's step back.
So a "large sum of money" eh? Since this game is called The Dark Knight, there's a great possiblity it is the money stolen at the beginning of the film, and lasts almost until the end.

First off, it's handled by both the goodies and the baddies in the film, so that could be the case here.
Secondly, your dumbass claim just made you a target. Those here who have seen the film will recognise the irony.

Feels kinda weird that he defended Nag out of nowhere. What bugs me the most about Masket is his inactivity in any case, I fear he might be overlooked as teh big scummer.

Now /. His activity raised up a little bit but I can't get a read on him at all. When Pmc called him out at the beginning of the day he just in substance said "ah well sorry" and that was it. It's interesting that he suggested the mass claim however; I'd assume if he is town he'd have a credible enough one to suggest it. It's a classic scum-with-fake-claim endgame move also though, but I'm more keen on the mass claim thing after having checked back on the current uncleared in any case.

Thezz: I got around reading your defense only yesterday and was sorely disappointed. Two points that you haven't been convincing at all IMO: You are basically claiming that you weren't pushing hard at all on both Nate's and Ani's case when you clearly stated doubt on his sanity for the first instance (and now provide what looks more like a pondering about it) and for the second you questionned Ani a lot, which in content made me quite surprised you weren't voting him, until Ani got killed. The way you went about it was IMO more fishy than Pmc and / in that if you were the Joker, that would be quite a good way to play it. But I disgress, what bugs me is that your defense is that you'd have to be a lot more blatant to make your actions really scummy. That's BS, especially amongst good players. Mafia is a game of subtleties, and I know when I'm faced with the possibility of a good player being scum I'd have to look really hard to pick up the clues.
The other point is your claim that you had more posts in the previous days. I'm talking of relevant posts where you give your opinion or take a stance here; you had from time to time indeed a random comment on someone else's idea, but that was it. You rarely adressed directly the accusations going on, which is the important thing to get a read.

After all that rambling I realize I ultimately trust no one 100% but Nate so we need more talking I believe it could go either way for my 2 main suspects Thezz and Masket; I don't know where to fit / and I find it a bit more likely for SEA or Pmc to be Two-face. In any case I believe we can't f*ck up and really need to lynch the Joker; the green boss coming close second if my fears about PGOness are justified.

[pmchugh]

Now to the suspects.

First of all Pmc. Since I noticed reading back that the scene doesn't mention specifically it's the Joker that had kidnapped him and it's him who came forward with that, I guess there is a chance the kidnapper was from the green mafia but... Doesn't seem to fit. I think there is a chance he could be Two face because of the kidnapping though, it would fit the movie quite well to have Harvey Dent kidnapped and changed to Two face if targeted by the Joker. It would also explain why I have this townie feeling from him In any case, I'm eager to see his opinion on the mass claim topic at least.

I'm all for it, with three fake claims were bound to catch out at least one person. Although we need to set an order of claims with Thezz first.

[SEAsportsfan]

Now to the suspects.


SEA. I wrote him off as a townie noob earlier but things might not be so clear cut. Relevant quotes:

here's what i believe:

I believe that Derf is telling the truth, that's just what my gut says

I believe that Nag is NOT a bad guy...that money could be Lucious's....wouldn't we feel stupid if we lynched someone that important?!

So, as of right now, as much as I don't want to go another day without a lynch, I am not going to vote...

wow, that really sucked, we just lost two town..... But, hopefully, we can find some evidence on somebody who would want to kill Nag. I'm gonna reread a couple pages to see if someone was trying to get Nag lynched.

a sophisticated looking man walked in.

hmm... scarecrow? before he went all crazy he looked sophisticated

Or possibly the Asian business man? (Lau?) I do not recall him being killed yet, and surely he's in the game.

Could be a coincidence and he was just confused, but I find it weird that one day he says he'll put specific attention on Nag's death (and maybe wants to make him appear town) and then forgets all about Lau. I don't picture him as the joker, and I guess it's not impossible seeing the kills he would fit Two face, but the green mob thing is a bit weird.

I really was confused. I've been EXTREMELY busy recently, and quite honestly, memorizing what's going on in Mafia is not on my list of priorities. So, yes, i have been quite wrong, and been quite forgetful, but i can assure you I am town.

however, MM has been on my list for a while, i was suspicious of him from day one.

UNVOTE, FOS MM

[Natewolfman]

i dont remember if ive voted, but unvote just in case, I trust ga7 more then anyone else here right now, and as such am leeching off his arguments (as im too lazy to look back ) but one thing i agree on is for a mass claim, I dont care what order, but I would like to see everyone claim here and now. My #1 suspect is Thez, followed by SEA, but i dont wish to vote til i see the claims

[Thezzaruz]

Does anyone remember if the mob had dogs?

Yea the russian guy had dogs, the joker took em though.

The way I read it Will said he didn't modkill him but it sounds like Ani had rules to follow or he would die. So not a modkill per se since it results from Ani's own actions...

I agree.

[Thezzaruz]

You are basically claiming that you weren't pushing hard at all on both Nate's and Ani's case when you clearly stated doubt on his sanity for the first instance (and now provide what looks more like a pondering about it) and for the second you questionned Ani a lot, which in content made me quite surprised you weren't voting him, until Ani got killed.

Firstly I still don't see how I pushed that hard on either of them (especially not nate, two posts -> one question). Secondly if you look back at that discussion it actually takes place over about a six hour (RT) time span. The three kills just reported set me off a bit but I got some responses, cooled off, went to bed and then came back and realised something was very off with ani's "claim" (later shown true by the "I'm forced" comment and his death). And this is also the reason I never voted, too short a time span to decide on throwing a vote.

The other point is your claim that you had more posts in the previous days. I'm talking of relevant posts where you give your opinion or take a stance here; you had from time to time indeed a random comment on someone else's idea, but that was it. You rarely adressed directly the accusations going on, which is the important thing to get a read.

So when I don't address the accusations that's a bad thing but when I do I'm scum?
Also, you have been pushing far harder on me than what I ever did on nate or ani. How's that different? But then again the mislynch on you was suspicious but your Alfred claim is too strong to disbelieve with so few townies left.

I'm all for it, with three fake claims were bound to catch out at least one person. Although we need to set an order of claims with Thezz first.

I'm starting to see mass-claiming as a good idea too.

[Minister Masket]

Masket:
I forgot to save the quote where he said he was gonna be helpful and never got around it That seems to be a reccurent problem.

A few of us should try and crack this independently to eliminate any mistakes.
I'll take a look tommorow.

Also: "???'s" henchman? Who is this ??? I don't recall a "Gambol" in The Dark Knight.....

The problem was solved before I got a chance to check anything.
Decided I wouldn't be able to add anything else relevant.

You really need to see the movie.
This is probaby Sal Maroni, whose legs are broken by Batman about halfway through the film, and then has his car crashed by Two-Face at the end. Unlucky bloke.

(Fun Fact: The actor who playes him is Julia Roberts' brother)

Consistency. I did see the movie but for some reason can only recall the main mobster from Batman Begins which I watched after DK Anyway this is slim but paradoxical.

Woah woah woah, let's step back.
So a "large sum of money" eh? Since this game is called The Dark Knight, there's a great possiblity it is the money stolen at the beginning of the film, and lasts almost until the end.

First off, it's handled by both the goodies and the baddies in the film, so that could be the case here.
Secondly, your dumbass claim just made you a target. Those here who have seen the film will recognise the irony.

Feels kinda weird that he defended Nag out of nowhere. What bugs me the most about Masket is his inactivity in any case, I fear he might be overlooked as teh big scummer.

I don't recall making that post to "defend" nag, only to call derf's attack into question.

After all that rambling I realize I ultimately trust no one 100% but Nate so we need more talking I believe it could go either way for my 2 main suspects Thezz and Masket; I don't know where to fit / and I find it a bit more likely for SEA or Pmc to be Two-face. In any case I believe we can't f*ck up and really need to lynch the Joker; the green boss coming close second if my fears about PGOness are justified.

Agreed on the Joker's death being a priority, but personally I see Two-Face as a more direct threat.

[pmchugh]

Feels kinda weird that he defended Nag out of nowhere. What bugs me the most about Masket is his inactivity in any case, I fear he might be overlooked as teh big scummer.

I don't recall making that post to "defend" nag, only to call derf's attack into question.

Yes but by doing so you were prducing a defence for nag.

After all that rambling I realize I ultimately trust no one 100% but Nate so we need more talking I believe it could go either way for my 2 main suspects Thezz and Masket; I don't know where to fit / and I find it a bit more likely for SEA or Pmc to be Two-face. In any case I believe we can't f*ck up and really need to lynch the Joker; the green boss coming close second if my fears about PGOness are justified.

Agreed on the Joker's death being a priority, but personally I see Two-Face as a more direct threat.

Im not so sure about this, it would probably be easier for twoface to win with town than with scum. Where as the joker clearly is scum, has explosives and possibly another kill as well.

[Minister Masket]

Oh I see how it is.
Deliberately not post, and then let me say something stupid. Nice try!

[Thezzaruz]

Had to look through the movie again to check some facts...

Woah woah woah, let's step back.
So a "large sum of money" eh? Since this game is called The Dark Knight, there's a great possiblity it is the money stolen at the beginning of the film, and lasts almost until the end.

First off, it's handled by both the goodies and the baddies in the film, so that could be the case here.

And I call BS on that one. The mob money is in Lau's care up until when the joker gets his cut (and promptly turns it into a BBQ ). It's never touched by any of the good guys.
If you had questioned derf's roleclaim that would have been one thing but to try and revise the facts of the movie makes it much more suspicious IMO.

[pmchugh]

Quit stalling guys, I thought we were mass claimin?

My prefferred order:

1. thez
2. MM
3. /
4. pmchugh
5. sailorseal

Objections?