[Official]Adventure time mafia:MAFIA WIN!

[ptlowe]

well in that case the person you asked me about has done the same thing as me, one liners, he thinks I'm a bandwagoner which in that case is not true, ptlowe wants streaker dead and I thought so too at the beginning of the day but I don't want him today, we need to focus on the inactives first and Tim not giving his name claiming "he deleted the pm" is such bullshit, he's just stretching out the day.

Maybe tomorrow on streaker. Especially when Tim flips town?

[ptlowe]

Alrighty, first of all @tim just a piece of advice, never ever delete your role PM until after you are dead. Even if it seems worthless, you never know when it could come in handy. Especially in a flavor game like this one. Make sure you beg endgame to send it again.
When you say blue something or green something, are you referring to the name of your character?

did you already forget metsfan was mafia cop and pix was mafia doc in one of the recent games

I missed this. Are you saying you believe Mitch to be mafia?

nah when i aid that i was quoting something from someone who now ive not a clue to lazy to go back and fiure it out. but it was in response to someone ive not a clue who saying that skum cop would e useless so i was giving a example why its not useless though i bealive mitch to be town

That was me, and the game you are referring to was a choose your power game. In those games (as well as multiple anti-town faction games) roles are not alignment indicative at all. In this game, which I am assuming is a single scum group, if there is an alignment cop, I would bet a ton that they are town, as scum would have no need. The only way there would be a scum cop in a game like this is if there were also a town role-cop. But the details of this argument really don't matter unless there is a role cop. The point I was trying to make was that just because mitch claimed cop doesn't mean he is town, since scum would know who is and isn't town anyway and could easily act like a cop if they knew there wasn't a cop in game. I made a mistake in pointing out that in that scenario mitch would not be a cop, because that wouldn't really change anything and has just become a small distraction.

Fp'd 3x
I think at this point that kratos and cyan should be replaced. Kratos promised a post and we have yet to receive an update, and cyan has yet to post about the game. I am tired of waiting for them.

@twr, at this point it appears you are just going against whatever streaker says (i.e. the importance of a name claim). It isn't a good look.

@Pixar, what are your thoughts on pt now that he has returned to the game?

You got me convinced. Sausage is town. Good strong post and informative.

[TimWoodbury]

i spose if endgame wants to waste his time mailing it to e so i can post it so yall can finally lynch me i spose he can do that but like i said would be wasting his time

Claim plz

endgame jsut forwarded me the pm and now that i got it i will claim
Muscle Princess

[TimWoodbury]

Tim is just wasting our time at this point lynch him

True, but were still waiting on Kratos.

Tim, are you saying that you were not given a name in your role pm? If so why did you confirm?

got the character but deleated the email once i saw vanillia town as figured anything more then that was useless didnt think character names was usefull

[ptlowe]

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Thats one ugly cross dressing dude.

[ptlowe]

http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Muscle_Princess?file=Muscle_Princess_Revised.png

[TimWoodbury]

http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Muscle_Princess?file=Muscle_Princess_Revised.png

yah the dress dun exactly fit me

[Ragian]

It matters. Stop being a dick about it. Of course it matters.

how does it? suppose he was given the role finn, and now posts that he is finn, how does that help town? maybe he was given the role of mickey mouse and posts his claim as mickey mouse.....any wiser now? no of course not. I could understand your point if the role given bears any sort of relationship to allegiance or PRs, but making ron weasley scum shows it doesn't.

If you hate bickering so much either end your relationship or stop playing mafia!

1) It matters for the reasons I put. Read those.
2) Ron Weasley wasn't scum, but was left open for scum to use as fake claim if they so wished.
3) I don't hate bickering as such, but you and streaker are repeating yourselves to no advantage for town. Keeping it up fogs up the game. If you can't swallow your "pride" or whatever it is that keeps you going at it, you need to take a break because you're blurring the purpose of town. I want to win the game. You want to win an argument that is essentially a zero sum game. The relationship bit was a joke.

(Should be noted, Rose, that I did not take offense. Even if others say that your were out of line, I don't think you were.)

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PT saying that Tim is town reminds me of the times I have been scum sticking to a town character that fucked it up for himself and would inevitably be lynched in order for me go gain town cred (playing the long game).

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Maybe tomorrow on streaker. Especially when Tim flips town?

If you believe Streaker to be mafia vote him today. Dont give us this rubbish. All you are doing is building up future lynches regardless of flips to avoid being questioned.

[the white rose]

i spose if endgame wants to waste his time mailing it to e so i can post it so yall can finally lynch me i spose he can do that but like i said would be wasting his time

Claim plz

endgame jsut forwarded me the pm and now that i got it i will claim
Muscle Princess

ah ah, now we know for sure....erm wait....what do we know for sure? if this information has helped enlighten anybody as to whether or not tim is scum, pray do tell

[ptlowe]

Maybe tomorrow on streaker. Especially when Tim flips town?

If you believe Streaker to be mafia vote him today. Dont give us this rubbish. All you are doing is building up future lynches regardless of flips to avoid being questioned.

Already did

[the white rose]

(Should be noted, Rose, that I did not take offense. Even if others say that your were out of line, I don't think you were.)

thanks for that ragian, my response was also meant to be lighthearted.

please can you tell me now how tim's claim has helped town.....you did say it was important, sorry but i still do not see that we are any wiser now.

[Streaker]

(Should be noted, Rose, that I did not take offense. Even if others say that your were out of line, I don't think you were.)

thanks for that ragian, my response was also meant to be lighthearted.

please can you tell me now how tim's claim has helped town.....you did say it was important, sorry but i still do not see that we are any wiser now.

Tim's claim is interesting. Lynching him will make it easier for us in the future to allign claims, and help us choose. Nobody said anything about a name claim guaranteeing us 100% accurate information. Else I would have asked mass-name claim and win the game.

[Ragian]

You might be of another persuasion than me, but the more information we have on our hands, the easier it is to catch people in a lie for several reasons: 1) If scum were not furnished with fakeclaims - I've played loads of flavour games where that was the case - they might run into a counterclaim, 2) If scum were furnished with fakeclaims, the flavour attached to their claim may differ from how the actual series panned out (i.e. is it weird that the muscle princess is a VT rather than, say, a roleblocker?) like me fakeclaiming Dumbledore in Harry Potter and messing it up and 3) you compare it to your own role PM and see if there are glitches.

Now, I'm not saying that any of these things necessarily give (is it give or gives here and why?) us information that will solve issues right here and now, but I believe that the more information we have, the easier it is for us to make an informed decision along the road (i.e. playing the long game).

In short, we may not be any wiser now, but we might without knowing it and it will be evident later.

THE STUFF BELOW IS HYPOTHETICAL!
Tim's reluctance (if it was indeed reluctance) to provide us with his flavour claim could be indicative of him having to make up his mind which to choose from a bunch of fakeclaims. For instance, if he's a mere goon, he wouldn't wanna grab an important fakeclaim that should be reserved for a more powerful scumrole (like Godfather, busdriver, whatever). Experienced scum would be sure to have his fakeclaim sorted before D1 starts.

Whoops...need to go to work. Will check in later.

FP'ed by streaker

[the white rose]

but when dakky was lynched we learnt that he was the ice king....having looked that up, he appears to be a baddie in the cartoon....is that a coincidence or design? clearly then everyone has been given a character, the question is, does your character bear any resemblance to your actually role and allegiance? I would actually say that mine does.

I would on balance think that jake the dog was given to scum as a safe claim, question is was muscle princess also? or is that genuinely tim's role?

If we knew then we would know if tim is scum or not....safe claims are given so you do not know, so his claim is totally unhelpful like i said.

whether this info will be of more use in the future is nonsense too, lynch him today and we will be told his role whether he claims or not.

now working on that assumption, can i ask if anyone has the role of jake the dog? the reason i ask is that should no-one have that role we could assume that mafia were given safe claims (jake the dog being one of them), and therefore tim's claim could be another mafia safe claim. On the other hand if someone has the role of jake the dog, then we can assume scum were not given any safe claims and have to hope not to be counterclaimed......i don't suppose anyone is claiming the role of muscle princess....do we accept that as tim's role, if so is that a goody or a baddy....a goody i think....so if genuinely muscles i would say he must be town, if he is mafia it will be a safe claim and therefore utterly useless information.

[Streaker]

It's design. Every mafia that flips will have a 'baddy-related' character. They won't claim that when alive, because it guarantees their lynch. Thus, they have to lie. If you lie, you can get caught. Fake claims are also generally lesser roles, though exceptions are there to prevent mass claim (dumbledore and weasly in HP mafia, the dog here).

This is a flavour game, and if you have enough information you can start puzzling. It's proven to be effective in the past.

[Ragian]

Agree with streaker. Weirds me out that Rose dimisses it. Stubborn.

[madmitch]

I am now believing Tim's claim,he said he was not sure of his character except it was blue or green well it was both and anyway who in there right mind would pick that character? you would have to dug deep to find her. I do not think it would be a mafia fake claim it is a good town vanilla claim having no special powers or anything and the ice king stole her arm

[the white rose]

Agree with streaker. Weirds me out that Rose dimisses it. Stubborn.

so now that tim has claimed his role, what extra information do we have? is he more or less likely to be scum now. Ragian, it tells us nothing, may as well just ask everyone.....are you skum, we will all say no, what have we learnt? one has to now decide if tim is lying or not....if he is lying about being vt he will be lying about being muscles too....basically his claim tells us no more than we already knew and leaves us with the exact same decision we had to make before his claim, ie is tim lying when he claims vt?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

White Rose we may have used up one of mafia's fakeclaims. It is advantegeous for mafia to have as much choice over fakeclaims.

I am confused by your play. Do you see it as beneficial to permantly obstruct the search for information? You have no way of knowing Tims alignment and previously said that you werent against his lynch (just prefer to lynch Streaker or I), so why do you defend Tim over everything? You keep creating petty arguments against the majority of players, as we cant all be mafia there is no logical reason for doing this. Additionally even if Streaker or I are mafia, we would be blending in and the majority if our posts would be wel meaning anyway.

[Streaker]

With little time left, we need to conclude our day with a lynch.

I prefer Tim over anyone else, but if majority can only be reached on an inactive I'd be willing to lynch either cyan or kratos. I doubt a majority can be reached in time on anyone else (except maybe me but I do not favour that).

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

For the record i would willingly vote Kratos. He was active D1, I suggested he was scum in my first post, he the disappeared.......

[Streaker]

For the record i would willingly vote Kratos. He was active D1, I suggested he was scum in my first post, he the disappeared.......

But you rather lynch kratos over tim?

[madmitch]

Where are we sitting at on votes? sorry thought I knew but this game gets confusing

[Ragian]

@Mitch, it took me two seconds to find a list of characters from this show (which I've never seen). Also, the point is that the mod may have provided them with fakeclaims and perhaps pictures.

@Rose, I trust you'll see my point about playing the long game eventually.

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On a more serious note, we need to sort out where people stand and why. We have only one day-ish left. If we want to agree on anything, I suggest that people put forward their cases without others commenting on them lest the thread will be more fogged up.

Below is an overview and me asking because I can't remember most things. I blame the various counterproductive.back and forths.

1. Madmitch - Voting streaker. Why is this again?
2. Ptlowe - Voting streaker. Why is this again?
3. Streaker - Voting Tim due to defending dakky D1 and wanting to lynch a softclaimed cop. Right?
4. TimWoodbury - Voting Wing. Why is this again?
5. Dakky21-Ice king mafia roleblocker lynched D1
6. Whatsausage? - Voting Tim. Why is this again?
7. The white rose - Double-voting streaker. Something about him unvoting dakky. Right?
8. SubtleknifewieldReplaced by Pixar D2 - Voting Tim because he was stalling. Right?
9. KeviReplaced by Wing N1 - Voting Tim due to streaker's case. Right?
10. Kratos644 - Isn't playing. COME ON, SON!
11. Joetalk-Replaced by IB D1Hot dog princess Vanilla TownieKilled N1
12. Cyaniteer - Isn't playing. COME ON, SON!
13. Ragian - Voting Cyan in order to get him to play. He isn't, though.

Official Vote Count
Cyanineeter(1)ragian
WingCmdr(2)thewhiterose,TimWoodbury
Timwoodbury(4)Wing,streaker,whatsausage,pixar
Streaker(2)Ptlowe,madmitch,
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline is november 6th which is friday

That was the last VC I could find. It doesn't factor in Rose's vote on streaker.

At this point, I could be persuaded into voting for Tim because I feel that he was acting scummily earlier today. Add to that that he defended our only scum so far.