Rolegift Mafia 2 Endgame: Give 'til it Hurts

by **crazymilkshake5** on Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:58 pm

Rodion wrote:Owe claims:

Milkshake (from last day)
pancakemix
TA1LGUNN3R
Djfireside
thechuck51

Still 4 uncatalogued items.

Hensow wrote:
Rodion wrote: commuter (???)
it is a blanket I got it agian.

I gave my item to hensew, so I think he got a blanket if i read his post right? so i give blankets apparently.

by **spiesr** on Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:08 pm

crazymilkshake5 wrote:I gave my item to hensew, so I think he got a blanket if i read his post right? so i give blankets apparently.

What we wanted to know was what items you received (if any) for both Nights 1 & 2. We did not want you to reveal who you sent yours to or what it was...

by **Yomiel** on Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:19 pm

I think I've learned something interesting. I'll keep it to myself for now, though.

by / on Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:38 pm

everywhere116 wrote:/, quick question, does a lynched player's gift still go through to the next night, or does it disappear when he or she dies?

If sent before the lynch, the gift does go through

by **thechuck51** on Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:45 pm

I did not receive any gifts last night.

I sent my gift to Jonty but it has been used by somebody else (at least I strongly believe this to be the case)

I am going to get caught up and be back with my thoughts

by **thechuck51** on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:00 pm

I think it is important to note that one of our cop gifters is dead so the second cop gift needs to be scrutinized carefully.

There are three scenarios for the remaining cop gift:

1 - It is paranoid. Could be, if it is the same cop that found LSU guilty. It couldnt be the one PCM used.
2 - it is insane. If it is the same PCM used yesterday then jak is scum but soundman has him as town based on his rolecop investigation so it would have to be the same as Yomiel's which would work since LSU was found guilty but flipped town.
3 - it is sane. What if yomiel is mafia and lied about her result for LSU and now the result on her is accurate?

I don;t necessarily think the third scenario is the case here but it is something to keep in mind.

by **Yomiel** on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:06 pm

I told the truth. LSU turned up guilty.

by **spiesr** on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:12 pm

thechuck51 wrote:I think it is important to note that one of our cop gifters is dead so the second cop gift needs to be scrutinized carefully.

There are three scenarios for the remaining cop gift:

1 - It is paranoid. Could be, if it is the same cop that found LSU guilty. It couldnt be the one PCM used.
2 - it is insane. If it is the same PCM used yesterday then jak is scum but soundman has him as town based on his rolecop investigation so it would have to be the same as Yomiel's which would work since LSU was found guilty but flipped town.
3 - it is sane. What if yomiel is mafia and lied about her result for LSU and now the result on her is accurate?

I don;t necessarily think the third scenario is the case here but it is something to keep in mind.

LSU's was sent to pancake, so the remaining one would be the one Yomiel had.

by **pancakemix** on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:52 pm

I received only the bulletproof. Nothing further to report in that category.

My current line of thinking says that the cop we have remaining is paranoid or insane. To lie about the result would require a tremendous amount of forethought, including knowledge of factors one couldn't know about at the start of the game.

by **jak111** on Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:19 pm

spiesr wrote: so the remaining one would be the one Yomiel had.

Don't skim, it hurts the team. (This is not just Spiesr but a few of you).

/ wrote:
everywhere116 wrote:/, quick question, does a lynched player's gift still go through to the next night, or does it disappear when he or she dies?

If sent before the lynch, the gift does go through

It IS possible that we have LSU's gift in play! KEEP THIS IN MIND EVERYONE!

So who knows, Yomiel COULD be mafia.

Anyone got the Group A and B listing?

by **Yomiel** on Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:30 pm

I would like to again point out how WEIRD these two are acting.

by **jak111** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:25 am

Yomiel wrote:I would like to again point out how WEIRD these two are acting.

Is being logical a crime?

by **everywhere116** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:44 am

jak111 wrote:
/ wrote:
everywhere116 wrote:/, quick question, does a lynched player's gift still go through to the next night, or does it disappear when he or she dies?

If sent before the lynch, the gift does go through

It IS possible that we have LSU's gift in play! KEEP THIS IN MIND EVERYONE!

So who knows, Yomiel COULD be mafia.

Anyone got the Group A and B listing?

Indeed, LSU's ball could still be out there, assuming he bothered to send it out before he died. I too want to wait for everyone else to claim what we have; if one of them has an 8-ball and used it, we can compare it's results with campin.

BTW, here is spiesr's post about cop groups. I don't know whether or not the people who suspect themselves to be the gifters followed it or not.

spiesr wrote:Okay, I just had an idea for a potential solution to the issue of telling the presumed two magic 8 ball cop gifts apart in future days. It requires the cooperation of the gifters, but doesn't require them to come forward.
We take the list of players and split it into two sections like so:
Group A:
Campin_Killer
spiesr
shieldgenerator7
pancakemix
everywhere116
TA1LGUNN3R
soundman
Hensow

Group B:
Djfireside
Rodion
thechuck51
Yomiel
pmchugh
jak111
LSU Tiger Josh
jonty125

The person who gifted pancakemix must from here on gift only those in Group A. The person who gifted Yomiel must gift Group B. As such, we can tell by who gets the gift if it came from the A or B gifter. With the giftmagnet source dead all gift should be going to the intended recipient in future nights. This requires the gifters of the cop items to know who they are. The B gifter should already know this, as Yomiel only got one gift. There are two candidates for the A gifter, so for now they will both need to gift within Group A.

by **pancakemix** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:59 am

You're right. I should have thought of that. #-o

I would point out that while LSU's gift is still in play today, there's no guarantee it's sane either. Current indications are that jak is town, but that doesn't confirm the accuracy of the 8-ball by any stretch (or that jak is town, but I'm not about to make that case).

On top of that, there's currently no evidence to suggest that Campin's gift is LSU's or the other. By my count we're currently waiting on DJ, Tails, and Milkshake didn't claim what he received, so we're waiting on him too. If they don't have the second cop gift (unless I missed it) then there's reasonable doubt in a Yomiel lynch.

by **Yomiel** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:17 am

There's nothing logical about what you are saying.

There is no guarantee at all the LSU's gift is in play, or that the one I got yesterday is not. We can't trust the results, and that's only proven by what they are.

by **thechuck51** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:19 am

pancakemix wrote:You're right. I should have thought of that.

I would point out that while LSU's gift is still in play today, there's no guarantee it's sane either. Current indications are that jak is town, but that doesn't confirm the accuracy of the 8-ball by any stretch (or that jak is town, but I'm not about to make that case).

On top of that, there's currently no evidence to suggest that Campin's gift is LSU's or the other. By my count we're currently waiting on DJ, Tails, and Milkshake didn't claim what he received, so we're waiting on him too. If they don't have the second cop gift (unless I missed it) then there's reasonable doubt in a Yomiel lynch.

you and campin were in the same group from Spiesrs plan so as long as LSU adhered to that it should be the same cop gift

by **Hensow** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:04 am

crazymilkshake5 wrote:
Rodion wrote:
Hensow wrote:
Rodion wrote: commuter (???)
it is a blanket I got it agian.
I gave my item to hensew, so I think he got a blanket if i read his post right? so i give blankets apparently.

last night I also got "pair of pagers" that give me day talk with another player but my target was changed

by **Yomiel** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:20 am

Currently, I kind of want to vote for Crazy. It feels like she has been messing around for a while now. Aside from the general in activity, we have very clearly stated both Days that we want her to tell us what gifts she got. Though she made a post or two on the second Day, she still did not tell us what we wanted to know, even as we were waiting entirely on her before finishing things up. Then, today, she tells us who she gave her gift too, not what she got today or them. I just think its weird.

by **pancakemix** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:31 am

thechuck51 wrote:
pancakemix wrote:You're right. I should have thought of that.

I would point out that while LSU's gift is still in play today, there's no guarantee it's sane either. Current indications are that jak is town, but that doesn't confirm the accuracy of the 8-ball by any stretch (or that jak is town, but I'm not about to make that case).

On top of that, there's currently no evidence to suggest that Campin's gift is LSU's or the other. By my count we're currently waiting on DJ, Tails, and Milkshake didn't claim what he received, so we're waiting on him too. If they don't have the second cop gift (unless I missed it) then there's reasonable doubt in a Yomiel lynch.

you and campin were in the same group from Spiesrs plan so as long as LSU adhered to that it should be the same cop gift

But LSU assumed he:

1. Had gifted PMC
2. Did not have the cop gift (his bet was tracker).

So unless he had figured that out the list is basically null. To my recollection, that did not occur. If you can show me otherwise, I'll concede that point.

by **Djfireside** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:27 am

Sorry about delay. This weekend was a killer

Ill get this out before responding to the rest but I got 1 gift

body swapping gun (busdrive)

I ran jak111 and Pancakemix in my busdrive

by **Yomiel** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:43 am

Bus...drive? I've heard of bussing, but... What does this mean?O_o

by **Campin_Killer** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:48 am

Yomiel wrote:Bus...drive? I've heard of bussing, but... What does this mean?O_o

Same difference. Busdrive is bussing

by **Yomiel** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:53 am

How exactly can a gift bus people?

by **Campin_Killer** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:59 am

If someone sends you a busdrive gift, that person can swap what happens to two people.

Ex:

Person A is targeted by Person B

Person A and B are bussed, to person B targets himself

OR:

Person A is targeted by Person D while Person B targets Person C. Person A and Person C get bussed, so Person B's action is perfromed on Person A, and Person D's action on Person C

by **Rodion** on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:00 am

Busdrive is not bussing.

Bussing is the act of 1 scum player trying to get another lynched in order to garner town cred. Busdrive is a night actions that swaps 2 players, so that actions that target A actually end up targeting B and vice versa.

It means Hensow was supposed to have daytalk with Jak (or PCM) and is now having daytalk with PCM (or Jak).
It also means Soundman's role knowledge applies to PCM instead of Jak.
It also means we may have "faulty evidence" regarding D1 as a busdrive is the most mischievous role and we don't have its N1 action catalogued (either because it fell in the hands of scum or because Saf/Aage had them). I believe that the player that gifted to DJ today might have to claim his D1 recipient if it was not Saf or Aage, as there is a decent likelihood he gave it to scum. Do not do that now, though, as we still need a couple more claims before we can be sure of stuff, plus this time can be used to hear other people's input.

2 uncatalogued items with Tail owing his D2/N2 gift and Milkshake owing his D1/N1.

LSU's ball possibly being in play is something I had not considered since nobody had claimed a lynchstopper yesterday, but it might give us more insight on Yomiel. Let's see if Tail can claim a 2nd 8-ball!