Skyrim Mafia Endgame: Hail Sithis! (3/18) Skyrim Wins!

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Uhh, no. The part where you said you would go back and look if you had the time, clearly doesn't have relevance in comparison to Xenhu's accusation.

I get on to two new pages of material. After reading through a couple times

This is the problem, you said that you read through twice, the post between your last and now. Located after your last post yesterday is a vote count by the mod.
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=169197&start=480#p3744831
thus you clearly did not need to read back to see it, you simply had to read forward the posts you have already claimed to have read, twice.
What on earth do you consider "reading through"?

[XenHu]

Haha, isnt it funny how you BOTH skimmed the part where I said if I finish other obligations that I would go back and look? Christ people, Im seeing an alarming trend of skimming. Should I yell at you for that? And Clever, glad you could make it, mind adding something of substance or do you just feel like echoing?

You can yell all you want, you still won't be making any sense.

I didn't miss it. I ignored it. It's irrelevant, and frankly, a cop-out.

"Oh I have other obligations"

Surprise. We all do. You committed yourself to something, bloody well commit to it. This isn't really specific to you, there are lots of people who are 'playing' this game that this applies to as well.

However, it was you that said, in the same post I might add, that you've read through the pages a couple of times and yet still had to go back over them to add up votes.

What. The. f*ck.

-X

[XenHu]

PS: Three votes on crazy so I will now Vote crazy on grounds already presented. PS: If your going to complain about the post being two pages back, how bout you look 10 posts away from the VC

Light-moderate pressure and you're offering to prove your role?

Something stinks about this.

Unvote (if needed) Vote Crazy

At least I know where my vote is, just not where everyone else slings theirs.
Also, at the time of Clever's post about the case on me, the discussion of me happened around 1 page before. MAN DOODE ITS ONLY ONE PAGE BACK. ONE. PAGE. Why didnt you read that and check your facts before you made that post?

fastposted X2

You're really going to pick on PCM about this? You?

With such gems like:

Yep, sorry to say I have the same reasoning for being gone as ghostly, just been out alot and dont have much to add. Instead of posting last night I was too tired to do so and so just read up and fell asleep. And I dont want to start a shit storm by posting things that have already been posted before, and so I will just write up on current events. For jak, I can see why he gets pissed off because he is pressured just about every game Ive been in with him. As for Iron Butterfly's post on being damned whether you post or not, I have found that I never really get the hang of the joke voting and so when I do post regularly I find I am pressured much more then when I am quiet. Therefore whether I am town or not it helps to keep me from having to claim, therefore keeping me from revealing powerroles and whatnot. This is hinting Im not a VT, as when Im a VT I speak alot more as I dont have much to lose.

yearg. Too much wifom to argue that point.

Also Unvote Vote NG1 as I intended.

I guess I cant argue that. This is why I dont talk much day one, the first thing I say always seems scummy to people when I dont think twice about it .

definition of hint: "A brief or indirect suggestion", "I am hinting I am not x" is not a hint, it's a mind screw.

Sorry, I guess I didnt give a hint, just anti-soft claimed then. Haha.

fastposted- I have already posted that it could be a rouse.

More recently:

I get on to two new pages of material. After reading through a couple times I have decided to wait for a vote count so I dont accidentally hammer, or if I get through everything else I need to do then I will go back and look myself, but due to the impass of very little information and time constraints (cant remember if it was this game or another that was close to deadline) I will be willing to put my vote on CMS in my next post.

All that, and you want to try and hook PCM on a niggle? I'll give you this, it is odd. However, PCM has had some of the most coherent posts this entire game. Especially when we put them next to yours.
So let's hear what he has to say.

Be part of current events .

^ Yeah. Listen to his guy. He knows what he's talking about.

-X

[new guy1]

I was pointing out the fact that you are basing you complaints on the fact the VC was two pages before, and so since I had no time I was obviously just being lazy and "wanted the game to play itself". I used his post as a reference to show you how incredibly stupid I thought that reasoning was, not to incriminate him, otherwise I would have gotten more to go off of.

[pancakemix]

PS: Three votes on crazy so I will now Vote crazy on grounds already presented. PS: If your going to complain about the post being two pages back, how bout you look 10 posts away from the VC

Light-moderate pressure and you're offering to prove your role?

Something stinks about this.

Unvote (if needed) Vote Crazy

At least I know where my vote is, just not where everyone else slings theirs.
Also, at the time of Clever's post about the case on me, the discussion of me happened around 1 page before. MAN DOODE ITS ONLY ONE PAGE BACK. ONE. PAGE. Why didnt you read that and check your facts before you made that post?

fastposted X2

Wait... what?

I don't recall even addressing you. It's almost as if you're trying to make me out a hypocrite...

And I realize you were trying to make a joke, but:

1. You really aren't in a position to make a joke.
2. It doesn't come off as one. At least qualify it with one of these guys:
3. ...seriously...

Truth be told, I don't even know why I stuck that in there. I even looked at that vote count to make sure of the votes on crazy...

[new guy1]

I wasnt making a joke, I was making a point, I just said that in the post above. My point was that just cause something is 2 pages back doesnt mean I have time/energy to go back, find it, and then count them and post it. Sure I could, but I didnt know by heart where the last count was, I dont know why he would assume I knew it was.

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Sure I could, but I didnt know by heart where the last count was, I dont know why he would assume I knew it was.

One last time, because it was on the page you just said you read through. This isn't quantum mechanics

[pancakemix]

I wasnt making a joke, I was making a point, I just said that in the post above. My point was that just cause something is 2 pages back doesnt mean I have time/energy to go back, find it, and then count them and post it. Sure I could, but I didnt know by heart where the last count was, I dont know why he would assume I knew it was.

Ugh, you're right. I understand that now. I'm letting my exhaustion/headache get the better of me...

Point stands, though. It's not at all a clearly written post. It comes off as accusatory toward me, not someone else. The fact that you also threw in a vote for crazy in that post while you're defending yourself seems damning to me. I want to hear crazy defend himself but right now you are certainly doing yourself no favors.

[new guy1]

Fine, since I am not doing myself any favors by talking I suppose I should remain silent, since that seems to be working for everyone else who didnt post. At least I am making an effort to make an educated vote rather then throwing it out there without making sure Im not a hammer. And dont worry pancake, Ive been tired all day, I understand your feeling right now.

[crazymilkshake5]

k, well guess i should claim. I am Jarl Maven Black-Briar, Skyrim Politician

I currently have a hold of kageryuu's vote.

I can put it on whoever ya'll want me to, if thatll clear my name.

[new guy1]

Screw silence. It will definatly prove that you are a politician, but I cannot recall if Black-Briar is a part of the stormcloaks or the legion, so I would have to check that. If he is legion then it is pretty much town I think since legion seems to be in control... also sorry if Im confusing legion with another faction, I belive that is the force against stormcloaks, either way you can now get what I mean. But if you are a stormcloak then it could be dirty politician. Is anyone more familiar or absolutly knows the legion are the good guys in this game or anything? Cause Im not sure.

[cowboyz]

Wow, come back and 3 dead. Sorry been absent a few days, but work is kickin my a$$
Try to check in at least once a day from here out

Red def means not town so thats cool.
Im pretty clueless on flavor of this game.
Anyone have any insights on theives guild guy or the RED dude who got killed?

No, red does not mean anything, as far as I am concerned. In a game which looks like it contains three sides, why would you assume red is bad?

Because guys in blue are town, red is different from blue, hence not town. So either mafia or some other faction

After reading back, I think I'll vote crazy.
He seems to be able to criticize others and insist they play the game

ok yall, can we actually try to play? and not just talk off comment?

both of yall shut up.

please... play the game.

Yet I have trouble finding anything that could be considered relevant from crazy himself.

he disappeared from this thread between the 5th to 11th, when he was prodded. His posts since then are borderline irrelevant.

Responding to the prod. I dont really like lynching inactives... Just doesnt go well with me... but then again, it has led to lynching the GF D1...

fence sitting

I also vote we wait on LSU, but not to long.

irrelevant to scum hunting

mk, I agree mostly with jak, but he does seem like our best choice for a lynch atm. but im not voting him.
fastposted

irresponsible neutrality

mk, I agree mostly with jak, but he does seem like our best choice for a lynch atm. but im not voting him.
fastposted

You see, I have a problem with this. You say hes the best choice for a lynch but you dont vote him? Why are you refraining if you believe him to be the best candidate? And I am NOT egging you on, Im just wondering why you are so undecisive if you believe him to be the scummiest person. I do not have a candidate and that is why I refrain from casting an uneducated vote. You however believe him the best candidate and list no reason why you are not going to vote him? Explain please.

fastposted- also just thought, I do not want to derail the case on Jak if it is that far along, but I just find a problem in this.

I'm just willing to let things pan out, thats all, if it will appease you i will vote for him.

He doesn't care at all where his vote goes, instead passing the responsibility onto whomever.

well thats a lynch.

well the dragonborn died. that sucks.

and most recently posting to post the obvious

Heck, I don't think he voted a single time this whole game! Not even a joke vote...

I haven't been that active this game either, def don't think this alone is enough to vote crazy

A couple of good cases have been presented, and I would say at this stage milkshake and jonty look like good potential targets for the lynch in the absence of better leads.

Out of the case / presented I find this post the most suspicious:

mk, I agree mostly with jak, but he does seem like our best choice for a lynch atm. but im not voting him.

It seems like he is refusing to vote for him but not out of any real principle, more that he doesn't want to be associated with the bandwagon. His excuse for this was he 'was waiting for things to pan out' which in other words is that he wanted to stay out of it as much as possible and in essence submarine, which is a pretty big scumtell in my books.


Elsewhere jonty has been very vote hungry, day 2, firstly with new guy and then LSU. This could possibly be born out of frustration through the lack of moment and inactivity in the game or it could be because he is lynch hungry mafia but his behaviour is certainly scummy.

At the very least both of them ought to do some good defending or they could find themselves on the way to the chopping block.

ok, yes, I was waiting for things to pan out and I was going to vote. but my life happened, so i couldn't really follow this. (as in the mafia) and for that i apologize. But I can prove my role, but can Jonty?

This however seems kind of strange. Whatya mean mention of mafia?

k, well guess i should claim. I am Jarl Maven Black-Briar, Skyrim Politician

I currently have a hold of kageryuu's vote.

I can put it on whoever ya'll want me to, if thatll clear my name.

And crazy claims. Again, Im pretty unfamiliar with flavor. Anyone got any insight to share on Crazy's claim?

Back to reading for me

[everywhere116]

Vote count incoming. I get to do some serious flexing of my new Vote Counting Excel program.

[everywhere116]

Vote Count 2

LSU Tiger Josh: 1 (jonty)
crazy: 5 (/, pancake, edocsil, XenHu, new guy) (L-3)
Not Voting: 9 (nagerous, shield, clever, LSU, soundman, crazy, cowboys, kager, ghostly)


With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

[ghostly447]

Guys, I just read the past page that I missed. I am curious if anyone else feels like the mini brawl between New Guy1, Clever, and X (leading to the CMS claim??? SOMEHOW???) was kind of like an attempt to disassociate them from each other? FOS you 3 because that was not only confusing, but also ended too easily in a sudden understanding that it was a misunderstanding.

Now that thats done, I have to go to bed to be ready for school tomorrow, but I believe others will be able to get flavor faster than myself. I am off to bed, and that is all I have to say about the last page or 2.

[pancakemix]

k, well guess i should claim. I am Jarl Maven Black-Briar, Skyrim Politician

I currently have a hold of kageryuu's vote.

I can put it on whoever ya'll want me to, if thatll clear my name.

By all means. I'll gladly take that vote.

[edocsil]

Maven has strong ties with the Thalmor, the Dark Brotherhood, and the Thieves Guild making her the most influential person in Riften.

i.e. crazy sure isn't town.

Unvote Vote crazy

[crazymilkshake5]

k, well guess i should claim. I am Jarl Maven Black-Briar, Skyrim Politician

I currently have a hold of kageryuu's vote.

I can put it on whoever ya'll want me to, if thatll clear my name.

By all means. I'll gladly take that vote.

Then you shall have it. (I'll post what i have on my character in a sec.)

[crazymilkshake5]

Maven has strong ties with the Thalmor, the Dark Brotherhood, and the Thieves Guild making her the most influential person in Riften.

i.e. crazy sure isn't town.

Unvote Vote crazy

First off you took that straight From the TeS Wiki. Good job. so you probably dont know much about TeS. (no offence)

Even though she has ties with all 3 of those, they are out of order, he biggest ties are with the thieves Guild. Because they are in her city, and she know that they are there, and she uses them to get her money. 10% I think she takes?

then the Dark Brotherhood, who are money/spiritually driven people.

THEN she has ties with the Thalmor. which is like maybe 5%.

The previous Jarl of Rifton was a stormcloak.

[jonty125]

What that was in reference to was this:

Jonty, all you've done is regurgitate what was said a million times over. Top it off with a vote? Really?

I wanted to hear your reasoning behind your voting of newguy, considering all you had to go on was arguments made by others. Instead, you went and voted LSU next post.

I voted newguy as I still felt it was a slip. I know you feel I was beating a dead horse but I felt there was a spark that could be relit. When I read LSU's post I thought he was saying "Oi vig, come forward". I might have re-read the post, but someone else (ghostly if I'm not wrong) voted him for asking vig to come forward so I felt I was right. I admit, my case on newguy isn't the greatest and I felt the LSU was much stronger, so I moved my vote.

Guys, I just read the past page that I missed. I am curious if anyone else feels like the mini brawl between New Guy1, Clever, and X (leading to the CMS claim??? SOMEHOW???)

Those three and their "mini brawl" had nothing to with cm5 claiming @ L-3.

But I can prove my role, but can Jonty?

Was softclaiming necessary?

I am Jarl Maven Black-Briar, Skyrim Politician I currently have a hold of kageryuu's vote.

How many times can you place his vote?

i.e. crazy sure isn't town.

Does anyone else with flavour knowledge, care to share their views? I am not too sure after reading this in the wiki

In the Black-Briar Manor when you walk downstairs there will be a locked door which is marked 'Master' then after you lockpick the door (or use Maven's Personal Key, pickpocketed from her) it will open and there will be a skeleton, Human Heart, Human Flesh, and the note To The Brotherhood.

I don't think that is good and I don't know who the Brotherhood are. Who are scum, Thalmor? Daedra? (picked these names up from scenes)

[nagerous]

The Dark Brotherhood are a league of assassins and another one of the quest lines that The Dragonborn embarks upon along with Thieves guild and College of Winterhold etc. They do have a code though, and in terms of this game, I wouldn't say that they are the primary antagonists in this game. It is just another example of Maven's connections I think. A politician is a good role for Maven to have due to her power and influence in Skyrim, and ultimately I believe the roleclaim checks out, although there is the small off chance she could have a dual win condition due to ties with antagonists like the Thalmor and the like, though I wouldn't suggest this as being lynch worth on this off chance.

[crazymilkshake5]

@Jonty, I can place his vote as many times as i wish.

and the mod has recieved my vote put on PCM.

[edocsil]

The Dark Brotherhood are a league of assassins and another one of the quest lines that The Dragonborn embarks upon along with Thieves guild and College of Winterhold etc. They do have a code though, and in terms of this game, I wouldn't say that they are the primary antagonists in this game. It is just another example of Maven's connections I think. A politician is a good role for Maven to have due to her power and influence in Skyrim, and ultimately I believe the roleclaim checks out, although there is the small off chance she could have a dual win condition due to ties with antagonists like the Thalmor and the like, though I wouldn't suggest this as being lynch worth on this off chance.

There are many factions in Skyrim I always play a "white knight" because of this I have never perused the brotherhood as allies, I have always eradicated them. Yes they are not the main bad guys, but they killed the Emperor in the opening scene, they may have a more direct role here.

First off you took that straight From the TeS Wiki. Good job. so you probably dont know much about TeS. (no offence)

I have played since Daggerfall. Wiki is a good way to make a point.

[nagerous]

The Dark Brotherhood are a league of assassins and another one of the quest lines that The Dragonborn embarks upon along with Thieves guild and College of Winterhold etc. They do have a code though, and in terms of this game, I wouldn't say that they are the primary antagonists in this game. It is just another example of Maven's connections I think. A politician is a good role for Maven to have due to her power and influence in Skyrim, and ultimately I believe the roleclaim checks out, although there is the small off chance she could have a dual win condition due to ties with antagonists like the Thalmor and the like, though I wouldn't suggest this as being lynch worth on this off chance.

There are many factions in Skyrim I always play a "white knight" because of this I have never perused the brotherhood as allies, I have always eradicated them. Yes they are not the main bad guys, but they killed the Emperor in the opening scene, they may have a more direct role here.

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Well aren't you a shining example of virtue to us all with your moral attitude against killing avatars. You're missing out on a quality questline. What about the thieves guild? Do you not do that one either, because in the quests you have to steal from honourable businesses and intimidate shop owners? The civil war no matter what faction you choose you have to make some dubious decisions too, do you just quit the quest line at this point? Off-topic in regards to the game aside, what makes you so convinced the Jarl Maven is a baddie? We've already had Brynjolf of the thieves guild come up as a pro-town role and Maven has strong connections with them. Also, I don't think crazy would be stupid enough to just claim the role he has in this game, and then just lazily change the alignment and name colour.

[nagerous]

Can we get a mod prod on kageryuu too please? I find his inactivity suspicious. He posted in another game, but not this one - if I had my vote stolen, I would have mentioned it but the fact that he has stayed quiet makes me think he has something to hide.