strike wolf wrote:So having read through everything. I think out of the cases presented so far, Freezie is the most interesting. I don't make much out of the arguments by themselves but what I find interesting is that he didn't even put the effort into the Gilligan case, he presented it, went radio silent for a few days and then pops back in saying that he felt people didn't seem to find it scummy and moved onto the next case without even really trying to reinforce any of the points he had made about the argument in the beginning. I can understand not wanting to debate an unpopular case that never gains steam but I think there is a difference between not overdoing it on a case and not defending it at all. It seems to me that he didn't really care about the case in and of itself, he just wanted to present something that was the likely bandwagon anyways but not actually put the effort into making it stick. I also honestly don't like the the best cases come from weaker ones statement. Does this mean we should ignore serious scum tells than?
Some other things I want to point out is Naxus:
naxus wrote:Commander9 wrote:Deadline is 11 days, guys.. We do need to start some sort of activity here if we don't want a very rushed lynched which may bring rather unwanted results.
How about we pressure Kwan?
Unvote, Vote Kwan
naxus wrote:Commander9 wrote:naxus wrote:How about we pressure Kwan?
Unvote, Vote Kwan
Reasons behind it?
Why not? Need activity, usually means that we need to pressure someone to get info
Honestly I had thought this was a joke when he first mentioned it (a sarcastic reply to Comm asking for more activity) but he seems to be suggesting that we go for a completely random target without even suggesting any possible inactivity reasons. This really makes me think he does not care about what the reason, he just wants a target. This does not seem like a townie train of thought to me.
naxus wrote:Unvote, vote TSL
Might as well pressure him until he shows up
Just jumping on the inactive bandwagon not much real reasoning needed to do it, so doesn't really require much reasoning to defend it.
naxus wrote:I agree with com9 here. He's around, keep the pressure up.
@ Safari, what happens at deadline?
naxus wrote:Weekends ok for being lax on activity. But TSL is a mod and I can assume he's on at least once a day. That and why waste a few pages trying to change targets when we can just leave the pressure on till we get some sort of answer
This reasoning is just weak. Commander at least had reason to say he believed Sax was active, that he saw a post in a private forum (I still say one post isn't enough to proclaim activity but I'm not getting into the com9 situation right now) and a couple of PMs, but Naxus had nothing to go on but an assumption that saxlad is on every day because he is a mod. This isn't necessarily true and the facts show that even if sax was on every day he wasn't on the public forums every day and he definitely wasn't any more active in any of his other mafia games so these statements were based on fallacious reasoning. Either naxus wanted the sax wagon to look stronger than it was or he didn't bother checking to see if the claim that sax was active was true. So why state it like it was matter of fact?
naxus wrote:Either way we need to get a lynch here or we will be just waiting for a cop to investigate tomorrow. Which if the cop investigates haggis or TSL and comes up Innocent then we will waste another day
While I do agree that at this point a lynch needs to be reached, at the point in the day this happened it was no longer realistic and a rushed lynch with that little time left would have quite likely been worse. Most likely lynched town with probable power role dying and with how quick it would have had to have been there wouldn't me much to gather from the lynch itself. Naxus here doesn't even suggest who we should lynch it just seems like he wants to suggest that we do lynch someone without directly connecting himself to making the decision on the quick lynch.
naxus wrote:strike wolf wrote:AndyDufresne wrote:So is Gilligan going to be the focus of day 2 because of his SaxLad actions?
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Also, I feel like we've still a few players who aren't posting very much, so much that I just went to the first page to check again who all was playing.
--Andy
FOS Andy. The majority of his posts are like this. Fairly non-commital and expressing little opinion on the actual scum tells. He appears to just be going with the flow.
But thats andy, he does that anywhere he posts
I'm not gonna make this into him defending andy because basing it on this one post would be extremely weak. but I will say it's a continuation on Naxus' apparent lack of putting himself directly in front of the gun while trying to appear active and attentive.
naxus wrote:Having been a victim of Fir relentless cases, this seems strange.
Unvote(If needed) Vote Fircoal
Let's just jump on the newest case. I don't really want to discuss if it actually seems scummy beyond comparing it to a one time incident in another thread but i will jump on the case.
In conclusion,
FOS Freezie and Naxus As far as the gilligan and fircoal cases. The reasoning is accurate but not really enough to warrant much attention from me. I'll keep an FOS on Gilligan as that case was legitimate but while I understand the logic with the fircoal case and believe it to be accurate it seems too weak to warrant a bandwagon on.
. Will be more careful in the future.
