[Official] Team CC Mafia [Finished]

[pancakemix]

No, you're not alone. I've made it clear that these are my sentiments. I feel that this is especially dangerous with a cult lurking.

Mind explaining this?

Merely that you claimed a powerful role and claimed to be recruited the following night. I'm not sure how this can't seem scummy.

As far as the hunter thing is concerned, they ought to reveal THEMSELVES rather than you telling us who they were (if they're going to be brought forward at all, that is). If you're telling the truth, they should just be a VT at this point anyway unless there's someone else to hunt for, which I doubt. I'm much more likely to believe you if this happens. As it stands, I find you a little unnerving. I'm not going to vote you based on that, but it's still just not completely believable at this point.

[Commander9]

Merely that you claimed a powerful role and claimed to be recruited the following night. I'm not sure how this can't seem scummy.

As far as the hunter thing is concerned, they ought to reveal THEMSELVES rather than you telling us who they were (if they're going to be brought forward at all, that is). If you're telling the truth, they should just be a VT at this point anyway unless there's someone else to hunt for, which I doubt. I'm much more likely to believe you if this happens. As it stands, I find you a little unnerving. I'm not going to vote you based on that, but it's still just not completely believable at this point.

I was a survivor before I was recruited - not sure how's that a powerful role?

As far as I'm aware, the hunter also gained something due to the recruitment, but you'd have to ask him. I'd rather that he'd not come out at all, but that's my opinion and I do not control his actions. I still don't understand why I'd be unnerving - I think my contributions are rather significant so far.

[TheSaxlad]

Vote Count

# Metsfanmax
# Victor Sullivan
# Bleed_Green.
# Jimfinn
# DoomYoshi
# Gilligan
# jonty125(3-Victor,jimfinn,doomyoshi) L-5
# commander9
# naxus
# Rodion
# jrh_cardinal
# safariguy5 (1-Commander9)
# Army of God
# Pancakemix
# jeraado

15 Alive 8 To Lynch

Deadline is May 5th. You have 5 days to enact a lynch.

[Victor Sullivan]

unvote due to jonty's role claim, but Mr. Squirrel's attempt to raise doubt about Commander doesn't sit well with me... It could be an innocent argument, he did have a couple fair points, but it still makes me uneasy. I haven't seen any reason to believe that Mr. Squirrel isn't town, so I'll not vote or FoS yet.

-Sully

[jimfinn]

I too will unvote . I've given long enough for a counterclaim, and none has arrived. I'm also really interested by this discussion of Commander vs. Squirrel, but I'm not convinced either way yet, so I'll hold off my vote from either of them. 5 day deadline seems quite short though, so I won't wait around forever!

[safariguy5]

unvote due to jonty's role claim, but Mr. Squirrel's attempt to raise doubt about Commander doesn't sit well with me... It could be an innocent argument, he did have a couple fair points, but it still makes me uneasy. I haven't seen any reason to believe that Mr. Squirrel isn't town, so I'll not vote or FoS yet.

-Sully

I think it's a valid concern as there are several recruiters possibly out there. We've gotten rid of a mafia recruiter, we know there is a cult recruiter, and Com9 claims there is a town recruiter. My concern is that Com9 might have been recruited by cult, and he's trying to get rid of me because I've been leery of cult the entire game and he doesn't want me around to possibly cause the cult trouble later on. That's the most logical explanation I think for why he wants to pursue another case on me based on cult speculation when I was later on validated for having suspicions about cult.

[Victor Sullivan]

unvote due to jonty's role claim, but Mr. Squirrel's attempt to raise doubt about Commander doesn't sit well with me... It could be an innocent argument, he did have a couple fair points, but it still makes me uneasy. I haven't seen any reason to believe that Mr. Squirrel isn't town, so I'll not vote or FoS yet.

-Sully

I think it's a valid concern as there are several recruiters possibly out there. We've gotten rid of a mafia recruiter, we know there is a cult recruiter, and Com9 claims there is a town recruiter. My concern is that Com9 might have been recruited by cult, and he's trying to get rid of me because I've been leery of cult the entire game and he doesn't want me around to possibly cause the cult trouble later on. That's the most logical explanation I think for why he wants to pursue another case on me based on cult speculation when I was later on validated for having suspicions about cult.

Valid points, indeed. Though I hope you have no intention of lynching a potential townie?

I think we should prod inactives at this point. vote Army of GOD because I know he's online every day posting in the other forums. Could be purposefully submarining.

-Sully

[Commander9]

I think it's a valid concern as there are several recruiters possibly out there. We've gotten rid of a mafia recruiter, we know there is a cult recruiter, and Com9 claims there is a town recruiter. My concern is that Com9 might have been recruited by cult, and he's trying to get rid of me because I've been leery of cult the entire game and he doesn't want me around to possibly cause the cult trouble later on. That's the most logical explanation I think for why he wants to pursue another case on me based on cult speculation when I was later on validated for having suspicions about cult.

Would you mind reading the Night 2 scene again? Please analyse the latter part of it and explain what you think happened there?

[safariguy5]

I think it's a valid concern as there are several recruiters possibly out there. We've gotten rid of a mafia recruiter, we know there is a cult recruiter, and Com9 claims there is a town recruiter. My concern is that Com9 might have been recruited by cult, and he's trying to get rid of me because I've been leery of cult the entire game and he doesn't want me around to possibly cause the cult trouble later on. That's the most logical explanation I think for why he wants to pursue another case on me based on cult speculation when I was later on validated for having suspicions about cult.

Would you mind reading the Night 2 scene again? Please analyse the latter part of it and explain what you think happened there?

Highly ambiguous and purposefully so. Getting rid of "them" could be interpreted as anything. While the likelihood of you being town recruited is higher, the scene doesn't make it clear. And now that you're confirmed power role, what's stopping the cult recruiting you tonight?

[Commander9]

Highly ambiguous and purposefully so. Getting rid of "them" could be interpreted as anything. While the likelihood of you being town recruited is higher, the scene doesn't make it clear. And now that you're confirmed power role, what's stopping the cult recruiting you tonight?

So you honestly think that suddenly a 2nd cult appeared? All the time previously there was only one cult and now suddenly there are two?.. Seriously? As far as cult recruiting me now... Well, I'm not completely sure if I'm recruitable (likeability of me being immune to recruitment is rather high and it also makes sense from their point of view not to recruit me and to try get me lynched instead), but if I am, then nothing.

[Rodion]

Comm, can you explain how the pagraprah you just quoted from Safari suggests the existence of a 2nd cult?

[Commander9]

Comm, can you explain how the pagraprah you just quoted from Safari suggests the existence of a 2nd cult?

Sure.

Highly ambiguous and purposefully so. Getting rid of "them" could be interpreted as anything. While the likelihood of you being town recruited is higher, the scene doesn't make it clear. And now that you're confirmed power role, what's stopping the cult recruiting you tonight?

Bolded part suggests that I've been recruited and he's saying that while a probability that I have been town recruited is higher, it implies that it could have been cult. Now lets take a look at the original scene:

The Second killer wasted no time in distpatching his kill and moving on into the dark night.

Firth4eva Dako (Town Mason) has been killed.

The second killer wandered out into the night pleased with himself, when three men, each with guns pulled out in front of him. The Killer reeled until one of the men placed a hand on his shoulder.

“We saw what you did. Come with us. Come and be taught.”
The killer stopped in his tracks, thought and left off with the shady men as they disappeared into the night.

This implies that 3 culties approached him and gave him an offer. Notice the number and notice that they come in with an offer "to learn" (cults are often religious, where the cult leaders "teach" the lesser ones). This heavily implies that the killer (probably vig) accepts the role and becomes a cultie (with now there being 4 culties).

In a corner of the pub two other characters were having a chat.
“So you’re the hunter then”
“That I am,I found you”
“So you will help me be rid of them?”
“Yes. Most definitely”
“Good”

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First of all, notice that a hunter is mentioned. Since we have already seen a mafia hunter left, it's highly unlikely that there would be 2 mafia hunters. A cult has already made it's recruitment and 2 cult recruitments would be way too overpowered... which leaves us with just one possibility - town. I am not completely sure what "getting rid of them" means, but I'm assuming it's the cult.

[Rodion]

I see your point.

I agree that 2 recruiters in the same cult is extremely unlikely (and it would not explain why apparently only 1 was recruited on N1).
I also agree that mafia probably had only 1 hunter and he is dead. Then you argued the conclusion that the only hunter left is certainly town, which is possible, perhaps likely.

Let me just add that, if KA is some sort of game breaking and "unrecruitable by normal means" (like you assumed) role, then it would be only fair to give the cult a shot at finding you. That said, it's possible the cult had 1 recruiter and 1 hunter (there were 2 cult ppl in N1 flavor). That's not really "2 recruiters", but 1 recruiter and 1 guy that had to find KA to get the "big bonus" I'm assuming KA provides.

I'm not sure the mod gave the cult its own hunter (perhaps the cult's chance of getting KA lied on recruiting a hunter first and then having him find KA) and, even if he did, the town one might have gotten there first for whatever reason.

This is not me saying you're cult, but I can't guarantee you're town either. I think you're probably town, but it's not 100% yet.

About "them". There are at least 3 parties on this game: town, mafia and cult. If one of these parties recruit KA and mention "them". they can be mentioning either one of the other 2 parties (or both altogether), so I'm not assuming anything there.

About powers, am I right to assume that you didn't get powers upon (supposedly) joining the town, but your existence gives new powers to the hunter that found you (the old one being "looking for you")? Do you have your own set of powers or do you just "enable" the hunter to get his powers? I'm not forcing you to answer as I have no idea on how these powers work and if their revealing would be beneficial or harmful to the town. You know (at least in part) about the powers, so you can judge and tell us if you think it's beneficial.

[Rodion]

Let me also add the small chance that this "town hunter" was the cult's N1 recruit, so it drives the % of you being cult a little higher. I still think you're likely town, but just want to get the possibilities enumerated.

[Commander9]

Agreed with the majority of your post. One thing I didn't consider is that the hunter could have already been recruited. If he had been recruited, as far as I'm aware with the usual mechanics, I wouldn't have became a cultie and only he would be a cultie, but you do bring a very valid point. I have not been told anything about that by the mod, but I will not discard the possibility that he has already been recruited during the nights before.

As far as cult having it's own hunter - I don't think it's like that, but theoretically it is possible. Cult started with 2 people, got a recruit at Night 1 and recruited a vig at night two, so it is possible that cult's 2nd role could be a hunter, but I think it has a low probability.

As far as powers go - I'm not completely sure what I should tell. One thing that I can tell that one of us does have an ability to kill (my reference that town has 2 vigs), so if town feels that we should eliminate someone, I guess we can discuss that possibility (but I would like to get a big majority here). I'm not sure if I need to say anything else for now, but this information could be useful in the near future so for now I'd like to keep it as my ace.

[jonty125]

WOW! Loads happened since I've been gone. 5 days isn't long and intresting talk between commander and everyone else, for now I won't vote until the murky waters of the above conversation clears up or time becomes a big threat.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I need to reread the last few pages. This issue on commander is important, but its not helping us find a lynch target. If we don't hurry up, we might have to settle with a no lynch, which is never good.

[pancakemix]

(post with colors)

Ah. When you put it that way it makes a lot more sense.

[Commander9]

I need to reread the last few pages. This issue on commander is important, but its not helping us find a lynch target. If we don't hurry up, we might have to settle with a no lynch, which is never good.

As far as lynching goes, I'm still sticking with my guns on Safari, but I wouldn't mind pressuring you either.

(post with colors)

Ah. When you put it that way it makes a lot more sense.

Is it because it was colourful?

[Bleed_Green]

This day has come to be very interesting. With a lot going on. The battle of words between Saf and Comm.9 interest me a great deal. With my first misreading of his post that he was indeed recruited to the town and for the good of the town, but Saf claims that he could have also been recruited by the cult. Saf has been onto a cult from day 1, this could be his cover being a part of it or coming from a wealth of knowledge from the game.

This is what I see:

Comm.9 was recruited (town or cult, could be either way but I think more along lines it was probably town, not dismissing it could be cult. Hard to prove without the recruiter coming forward but if it is town and special power roles have been given to him it could be detrimental for the town)

Saf once again has brought positive reinforcement of the cult and good speculations against Comm.9 going either way. But he is pretty strong willed that there is a cult but really has not pursued the issue vigorously.

I am thinking that it might be time to put some pressure on Saf. FOS safariguy5

[jonty125]

I am thinking that it might be time to put some pressure on Saf. FOS safariguy5

I doubt a FOS is going to cause him to roleclaim.

[DoomYoshi]

I think safariguy is correct in thinking there is a cult. That much is sure at this point. I don't see any pressure on Commander going anywhere at this point, but I would like if jonty could explain his relationship to shield.

[Commander9]

Saf once again has brought positive reinforcement of the cult and good speculations against Comm.9 going either way. But he is pretty strong willed that there is a cult but really has not pursued the issue vigorously.

I am thinking that it might be time to put some pressure on Saf. FOS safariguy5

With the deadline coming, I'm sure he's going to be really scared of a FoS. As far as my recruitment goes, I think I've already shown how those 2 scenes are different and how they imply that I've not been recruited by cult.

I think safariguy is correct in thinking there is a cult. That much is sure at this point. I don't see any pressure on Commander going anywhere at this point, but I would like if jonty could explain his relationship to shield.

No one is denying the existence of cult... FoS for trying to make Safari look like he's saying something that others do not. We all agree and know that there is a cult, but just saying and agreeing on that is not going to get us anywhere.

[jonty125]

but I would like if jonty could explain his relationship to shield.

When I FOS'ed whoever it was (I can't remember), I wanted to vote but was waiting to see if anyone else would back me up, in this case shield did. I had no idea he was mafia (never mind the GodFather). I was pressurised into a role claim about this incident so I roleclaimed and was truthful (clapper011, who is town) and there have been no counterclaims. Hope you understand that I'm a townie, not mafia

[Bleed_Green]

Vote safariguy5 with rereading from the beginning Saf. has been adamant that there was a cult, which has been greatly discussed in the last couple of days and agreed upon that there is. At this point do not know what kind of powers they may have but I believe Saf involvement with the cult to be significant. When he brings it back up, I see this a ploy to start conversations again about it without having the finger pointed at him.