UnMafia 3 (1/19) *OVAR* GO GO GO!!!

[aage]

You took a pot shot at Victor?
I think my vote is already on you but in case its not I will vote campin anyway. Vigs that jump the gun on a claimed role are not to be trusted. Factually you might very well be a serial killer in which case your current claim was the best to come up with.

[strike wolf]

Actually flores if what vio said is true than intentionally or not campin visited sax. My question is assuming you are telling the truth why visit victor. I know you stated that you didn't believe him but unless I misread your comments, by the end of day 1 you seemed to be suggesting you thought sax was scummier than victor.

I have to say that sax just suddenly comes back to jump on a bandwagon that's mostly dead is scummy.
So I'm going to have to vote sax for that reason

This is where you switched your vote from victor to sax, it was not only your last vote of the day it was your last post regarding anything other than the suicidal townie

vote campin

[Campin_Killer]

Why don't we let somebody decide that. And, aage, why are you so quick to act on a claimed power role, but hesistant with victor? Hmmm

[edocsil]

So he is a beloved princess. No real doubt about that. Can we afford to lynch him? I am willing to bet money that he is scum, he has danced around the truth a bit and otherwise been scummy. My only concern is the costs of lynching him... do we have a precedence as to what will happen with a lynched BP in a Fircoal game?

[Campin_Killer]

If you'll match $20 that I'm not scum and send the money to a P.O. Box I'll buy, I'll bet you I'm not scum

[strike wolf]

You do realize there is no substantial defense in either of your last two posts.

[Campin_Killer]

My defense is that is what I am. I've said what my policy is on the last page or two. The reason I shot victor? Because the way he acted and how a mafia copier is common in crazy NV games. Assuming this is NV

[strike wolf]

My defense is that is what I am. I've said what my policy is on the last page or two. The reason I shot victor? Because the way he acted and how a mafia copier is common in crazy NV games. Assuming this is NV

And I stated clearly that your claimed action and what you are saying today doesn't match up with what you were saying yesterday. When you voted victor yesterday you were very hesitant you said you had your doubts. Enough doubts that you didn't even vote him until a deadline was in place and after that you unvoted him for sax. You obviously weren't content enough with your suspicions of him to lynch him and appeared you would have been more comfortable with a sax lynch. It doesn't add up to me that you would settle for trying to kill the person you apparently didn't think was as scummy as someone else especially when you didn't think him scummy enough to vote for prior to the deadline. Of course there's also the fact that if you were reading the thread you would know that we were going to test victor's claim by having him copy vio. Why as town would you try to kill victor knowing it could mess up town's investigation into two roles that were under suspicion? Victor as your kill choice makes zero sense.

[Skoffin]

On top of that Camp also seemed to try to clear himself as town by asserting that, as he killed sax the mafia, he surely must be a townie as mafia would not kill themselves. However Camp already knew that it was possible for mafia to have killed themselves, thus his suggestion seems quite off to me. I'd like to know why he was giving information he knew to be false.

Skoffin, this is not useful at all.
There is no way he could defend against 'a post' you read that cast suspicion on him supposedly, nor can we know how much value to add to this weird accusation.

Aye, I recognise that. If he wishes to defend against it I will enlighten him as to what it was. Everyone else can choose to ignore that comment.

[Campin_Killer]

What was it?

[nagerous]

vote count plz

[TA1LGUNN3R]

a) victor copied saxlad and so I ended up killing sac

b) That vic got switched with saxlad by illy.

If Vic had copied sax (he was roleblocked though+ he would've targeted violet to reinforce his claim), I still don't see how you would kill sax. He is a copier, not a lightning rod or something. Please enlighten me?

The more likely scenario. Although why you would target victor when this was a hindrance to town's investigation, as previously stated by Strike, is interesting.

-Tails

[Campin_Killer]

a) victor copied saxlad and so I ended up killing sac

b) That vic got switched with saxlad by illy.

If Vic had copied sax (he was roleblocked though+ he would've targeted violet to reinforce his claim), I still don't see how you would kill sax. He is a copier, not a lightning rod or something. Please enlighten me?

The more likely scenario. Although why you would target victor when this was a hindrance to town's investigation, as previously stated by Strike, is interesting.

-Tails

Say victor targeted saxlad. Since I targeted victor, I'd end up killing saxlad

[FloresDelMal]

It doesn't add up to me that you would settle for trying to kill the person you apparently didn't think was as scummy as someone else especially when you didn't think him scummy enough to vote for prior to the deadline. Of course there's also the fact that if you were reading the thread you would know that we were going to test victor's claim by having him copy vio. Why as town would you try to kill victor knowing it could mess up town's investigation into two roles that were under suspicion? Victor as your kill choice makes zero sense.

QFT vote campin again

[strike wolf]

a) victor copied saxlad and so I ended up killing sac

b) That vic got switched with saxlad by illy.

If Vic had copied sax (he was roleblocked though+ he would've targeted violet to reinforce his claim), I still don't see how you would kill sax. He is a copier, not a lightning rod or something. Please enlighten me?

The more likely scenario. Although why you would target victor when this was a hindrance to town's investigation, as previously stated by Strike, is interesting.

-Tails

Say victor targeted saxlad. Since I targeted victor, I'd end up killing saxlad

I'm pretty sure that's not how a copier works and even if it was it still doesn't explain why as a town "beloved princess" you were willing to sabotage a town investigation into two roles for a kill on a supposed scum you weren't sure enough about during the day to press for the lynch. It doesn't add up. A town member would not purposely sabotage an investigation that could help clear or condemn at least one of the two roles. It makes absolutely no sense.

[Campin_Killer]

As far as I saw nobody was investigating him. Though I wasn't able to finish reading.

[strike wolf]

As far as I saw nobody was investigating him. Though I wasn't able to finish reading.

So apparently you missed the part where we were going to have victor copy vio if victor came back with vio as a tracker it would go far as to show if vio was telling the truth and if victor was telling the truth. If you missed that you were seriously skimming as it was suggested after you replaced commander.

[Campin_Killer]

I never got past Page 17 due to real life stuff.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Say victor targeted saxlad. Since I targeted victor, I'd end up killing saxlad

The copier can copy someone's action one night, then use it the next.

He doesn't replace someone, he just gains their abilities for the next night.

I'm thinking you just claimed town vig to take credit for the lucky sax kill, when you had the first BW on you. I'm also thinking you're just using the beloved princess claim to threaten anybody thinking about your lynch.

A town member would not purposely sabotage an investigation that could help clear or condemn at least one of the two roles. It makes absolutely no sense.

QFT. It's sabotage.

[color=red]vote CK[color]

-Tails

[TA1LGUNN3R]

*vote CK

[strike wolf]

I never got past Page 17 due to real life stuff.

So what you're saying is that you read up to page 17 than stopped reading day 1 while following both the wagon on victor and later sax. Like I said it happened after you replaced

[strike wolf]

I think tg's vote brings us to l-1...

[VioIet]

I never got past Page 17 due to real life stuff.

I knew you should've been killed on Day 1!!!!
Commander should not have been replaced!!! And if he was going to be replaced, should have at least been by someone who was going to read?
You never even bothered to try to tell me why Commander could have gotten so offended and who was in your mason group if there was one? You ignored everything!!!
You must have skimmed all over it!
And why would you perform your night actions without reading all of the thread?
How could you even be responding and posting now if you didn't read everything?
I don't trust you for saying you targeted sax. I already know who targeted sax, and it was not you. Why did you fall right into it?
If you live to Day 3 and someone says you did X action, but you really did Y action, would you blindly admit to X action? And not admit as to really doing Y action until you were caught in a lie? I happen to think you would, and because of that- you are a liability to keep in this game. A bad liability.
Also why did you admit to killing sax...lad when you knew you didn't. It was fun staying quiet while letting you dig a hole? But honestly, if you were acting in the towns interest, i don't think you would have admitted to an action that you didn't do.
I had laid off you a bit after my early Day 1 fit, because I was beginning to think that you may perhaps be town after all. However commander's actions on Day 1 had me perplexed, and now your actions on Day 2 have me perplexed.

I don't want to seem insensitive to things going on in real life. But also would rather someone in the game who can read, keep up, and not sabotage things for the town. For the record i do suspect that you are town now, but.......

I also feel hesistant about voting off a princess.
Campin, I might take my vote off you if you promise to try not to kill someone again.
As a vig, you have to be very very cautious
If you followed Briarsburg at all-which i doubt- Karel was a good example of how not to do it.
Even though you have a NK, you don't need to use it every night. Its actually a role that I think we can do without. Only a useful role if its in very useful hands.

[VioIet]

Actually flores if what vio said is true than intentionally or not campin visited sax.

Whatever flores said is probably not what I said. If you scroll two pages back I gave my analysis but I never gave a name. Others took the liberty of doing that, and why campin admitted to something he didn't do is beyond me.

I think the reading between the lines on Day 2 so far has been a bit off.

[The Weird One]

Can we get a count?