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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby Loose Canon on Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:51 pm

Extreme Ways wrote:
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Loose Canon wrote:We have to lynch day 1 and every day.
Does anyone disagree?


I looked up mafia wiki and looked for "best to play scenario's" based on mafia wiki stats on this scenario. I deleted that idea in the end because the game only starts when everybody has confirmed their role invite..

Only 9 confirmed sofar? So first we need to wait on everybody's confirmed status. That means waiting on Max too and whatever he wants to say :D :D :D

And the deleted idea was basically to ask EW what would be the best play here (having no PR). Last game lynching D1 turned out to be a bad idea so hearing EW and following EW seems plan? 7 to 11 chance EW is town and if he is not we will notice it when he posts something deviant perhaps? Also Lynching D1 means very blind (as good as random) odds that we will lynch on 4/11 odds hitting scum (very low chance)? Is not helping if we lynch town. We should hear very experienced players first is my idea. Though nut to crack here

Why am I the designated person to ask?

In general, wrt no lynch day 1 (ESPECIALLY in a setup with no prs): theres always going to be 'higher chances' of voting a town out, if there isnt then mafia has won. Well, except in this case w/ werewolves I guess. Would you rather have a day 1 elim with some info into 2 nightkills, or no info at all into 2 nightkills? Everybody will say they are town, but the movement of people and who they are (un)aligning with is better info if you dont enter the day with a mindset of "pressure, but never eliminate".

With that being said, I dont like you shifting responsibility onto me when you've just hard carried town the previous game. vote sonic



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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby PepeAtila on Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:55 pm

SoN!c wrote:My idea on Pepe is Keeping it Simple principle. He voted DDS to see if Strike would unvote and posted that in advance.. then Strike did just that so he was sure they were a scumpair.. He would have voted DDS or Strike again today im pretty sure but then tonight Strike flipped town...
Now he feels guilty towards DDS so he wants to make that up.

@Pepe : correct me if im wrong here?

More or less it is like this ... just I don't feel guilty because nothing happened about my votes,but I was thinking DDS was scum and nowI think he is townie.
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby Extreme Ways on Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:07 pm

Loose Canon wrote:
Extreme Ways wrote:
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Loose Canon wrote:We have to lynch day 1 and every day.
Does anyone disagree?


I looked up mafia wiki and looked for "best to play scenario's" based on mafia wiki stats on this scenario. I deleted that idea in the end because the game only starts when everybody has confirmed their role invite..

Only 9 confirmed sofar? So first we need to wait on everybody's confirmed status. That means waiting on Max too and whatever he wants to say :D :D :D

And the deleted idea was basically to ask EW what would be the best play here (having no PR). Last game lynching D1 turned out to be a bad idea so hearing EW and following EW seems plan? 7 to 11 chance EW is town and if he is not we will notice it when he posts something deviant perhaps? Also Lynching D1 means very blind (as good as random) odds that we will lynch on 4/11 odds hitting scum (very low chance)? Is not helping if we lynch town. We should hear very experienced players first is my idea. Though nut to crack here

Why am I the designated person to ask?

In general, wrt no lynch day 1 (ESPECIALLY in a setup with no prs): theres always going to be 'higher chances' of voting a town out, if there isnt then mafia has won. Well, except in this case w/ werewolves I guess. Would you rather have a day 1 elim with some info into 2 nightkills, or no info at all into 2 nightkills? Everybody will say they are town, but the movement of people and who they are (un)aligning with is better info if you dont enter the day with a mindset of "pressure, but never eliminate".

With that being said, I dont like you shifting responsibility onto me when you've just hard carried town the previous game. vote sonic



The above is what I was referring to Extreme

Ah I remember that, it frustrated me that I am somehow an authority on mafia setups or something whilst I'm very much not.
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby SoN!c on Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:43 pm

With Rag's answers im now 1000% sure. And that is what we will see in the end. Rag will flip scum and Rag knows.. Calling it like i see it.

I believe DDS and PMC are town, i think Loose and EW are town too, so that's 5 town.. with 5 town left including 2 mason's.

Max is either an all-in bluff poker but he is a wild card anyway you look at him if you wanna shuffle him in with the 4 other town cards..sure i could be wrong on any of my 4 town: DDS, PMC, LC and EW, but I think it's a Maximum bluf pokerface. And pretty sure scum won't hammer because they are afraid of the attention it will draw.

And the other wildcard Pepe - the one i think is town and wanna shuffle in; i can't because i don't think he is Mason and more importantly..: he doesn't want to lynch anymore?
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby pmchugh on Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:16 am

Extreme Ways wrote:honestly I dont remember what you are referring to and im too lazy to go find it.

I think Sonic was scum in a game I sat out? Idk I dont have experience with scum sonic either but his townie behaviour of being all over the place is easy to replace with agenda and that scares me.


I was scum with sonic, he posted a lot of nonsense. He is very good/useful as town. At this point to me his meta is very "polarised".

Of course it's possible he has changed tactics and as scum to match his town play from last games, and is genuinely hunting the other faction while just ignoring one scum mate. Faction games are harder to read as genuinely looking for who the mafia are is no longer a town tell.

I think rag is a hit currently.
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:22 am

I'll add my two cents.

1. Loose likes to add math and have some left field theories we've all refutued. This isn't new and a typical Loose gameplay. For better or worse, he's an easy read.

2. Sonic is the same, just with less math and more Alice in Wonderland. At this point, it's not a bad thing, but I'm more hesitant to read him when he actually makes sense.

3. Rag - This is a big one for me. He's never relied on me to read him. Ever. I will always be suspicious of him and Strike, but the goofball last minute D1 and another dragging me in D2 feels more manipulative than just being chummy is why I'm pretty sure he is scum. Rags a master bullshitter but I've felt since D1 he was off. (I still love you Mr. MAGOO!)

4. I'm positive if Rag flips scum, his pair is an AFK. If he is the SK, it complicates things, but I'm pretty sure, without hammering at this moment, we can figure out who is who.

5. I'm banking ALOT on PMC being town. Kong/Activity is not alignment indicative, but PMC read everything and had more or less the same conclusions, and I'm sorry to say this, but my sole trust in this player base is limited, especially when it comes to someone such as Rag.

Thus, my vote remains. If you feel differently refute it.
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:48 am

I'll also add this for the following players for a slap stick list/drunk.

1. Traf - I sincerely cannot read him. I think it's a language barrier. He's active? I can't say I've been more than him.

2. Max - Gets me killed. Why? I don't know? Follow him less god damnit! Seriously though, can't read him. Grudge or otherwise he just chooses to be a fucking dork.

3. Kong now PMC - Kong was actually active. I only briefly played a game and modded another but he's only a hard read from lack thereof.

I will openly admit my experience with PMC falls into these categories in some form or another, but he at least when you look at it, it's not eye gouging torture!

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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby Loose Canon on Fri Aug 30, 2024 4:21 am

We can't be absolutely sure that rag won't claim mason.

Sonic masons might go to secretive music festivals that only masons know about.
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby SoN!c on Fri Aug 30, 2024 4:50 am

Loose Canon wrote:We can't be absolutely sure that rag won't claim mason.

Sonic masons might go to secretive music festivals that only masons know about.


My read on the "Masonical secretive music festival" -somewhere in Denmark under a secret banana tree- is : it's just a experienced scum delay technique. Rag knows this game can make you start doubting anything and change your idea in just 3 or 4 days. And that is exactly what Rag hopes to do by posting he'll be away for 4 entire days at exactly the day he got 3 votes- including DDS who knows him best- and with only a bad banana in his hand to counter. And it's working.
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby PepeAtila on Fri Aug 30, 2024 5:35 am

SoN!c wrote:With Rag's answers im now 1000% sure. And that is what we will see in the end. Rag will flip scum and Rag knows.. Calling it like i see it.

I believe DDS and PMC are town, i think Loose and EW are town too, so that's 5 town.. with 5 town left including 2 mason's.

Max is either an all-in bluff poker but he is a wild card anyway you look at him if you wanna shuffle him in with the 4 other town cards..sure i could be wrong on any of my 4 town: DDS, PMC, LC and EW, but I think it's a Maximum bluf pokerface. And pretty sure scum won't hammer because they are afraid of the attention it will draw.

And the other wildcard Pepe - the one i think is town and wanna shuffle in; i can't because i don't think he is Mason and more importantly..: he doesn't want to lynch anymore?


Of course I want to lynch ... what else can I do? ... I give PMC some time, and now I'm wondering who to vote for ... Rag or Traf?
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby Charle on Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:10 am

Vote Count:

Ragian (4) - PMC, DDS, Sonic, Max
Traf (2) - Ragian, LC

No Vote (3) - Traf, Pepe, EW

9 Alive - 5 needed for a lynch
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby pmchugh on Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:37 am

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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby Extreme Ways on Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:45 am

Rag isnt mason.

I aint hammering this early.
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby Loose Canon on Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:17 am

Myself and some guys/gals at work like to play One Night Werewolf at lunch sometimes - its a great game by Bezier Games and it only takes 5-7 minutes per game.

I try always to have alternative possibilities theories in that game (and there always are some)

Sometimes I mention the alternative possibilities but then along with everyone else argue back for the obvious possibility.
Then quite often when shock horror someone has played a blinder and the werewolves aren't who we thought they were, its ahh Jon (LC) you did mention that but ....

I can read the guys/gals at work probably better than they can read me.
I can't say the same with respect to a lot/most of the players in this game.

I say the above as context for my next post.
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby Loose Canon on Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:39 am

Most of us think Sonic is Town, some of you are saying Sonic is locked in Town.
he is not locked in town - nobody is.

My FAVOURED hypothesis is Sonic is Town.
The bulk of the evidence / chat has led me to that conclusion.
I don't want and WON'T vote for Sonic to be lynched today.
It might be that come D3 and onwards Town is in such a desperate position it NEEDS Sonic to be Town.

There is a less favoured ALTERNATIVE hypothesis that Sonic is Scum.
- playing scum with mastery - actually bloody well deserving to win as scum.


Is there any evidence that I have seen that Sonic might be scum?
Maybe just a snip.

1. He supported me as a sort of Town leader on D1.
Was that the support I took it for at the time (and still in bulk of probability do) ?
it could have been quiet manipulation?

2. He has I think ventured into speculation a bit about who the masons are.

3. Within the what are Scum likely to do tonight discussion he got quite engaged with that.
He was arguing/agreeing that scum would likely target scum tonight
At one point he said he might be a target tonight.
I said it would be the ultimate complement for me (or him) if both scum teams killed me (or him)
Maybe just maybe he was worrying the other scum team would have to kill him either tonight or another night, as that was the only threat he could see then that he wouldn't win as
scum.

I don't want to lynch Sonic and it wouldn't be with my vote.
I do however want Sonic sceptics in the game D3.
He is NOT locked in Town.

But Yes I do favour him to be Town and want him to be.
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby SoN!c on Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:43 am

The alternative possibilities.. It sounds fun, i'll play along Loose and post mine. Otherwise we're just waiting on Rag till monday..


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FP by Loose already, here we go :D
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby Loose Canon on Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:23 pm

While I'm waiting for sonic:

I did almost post myself into thinking he IS scum.

I think actually I superimposed Rag level manipulative cunning onto Sonic and made him Supersonic.

I was expecting about 5 responses from sonic already by now though.
They haven't arrived.
Speed wise anyway he's subsonic today.
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby pmchugh on Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:31 pm

Who took mad loose cannon and replaced him with genius loose cannon?
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby SoN!c on Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:40 pm

Loose Canon wrote:While I'm waiting for sonic:

I did almost post myself into thinking he IS scum.

I think actually I superimposed Rag level manipulative cunning onto Sonic and made him Supersonic.

I was expecting about 5 responses from sonic already by now though.
They haven't arrived.
Speed wise anyway he's subsonic today.


Dinner (steak) and watching netflix with the wife first Loose..going real slow on wine here but it will be a good story because i actually considered it to be real :D
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby Loose Canon on Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:51 pm

You're drinking wine and I'm chewing the cud
Hope that doesn't make me your steak
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby Loose Canon on Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:11 pm

Whilst sonic is digesting I'll turn to DDS.

He was town last game and lynched D1.
I didn't discern any difference in his D1 play/manner this game and there was a degree of vote pressure on him.

D2 he has played positively without giving off any scum vibes to me.

I think he must be considered probably town.

Has anyone seen or picked up anything I haven't?
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby TrafalgarLaw01 on Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:25 pm

We should wait to see what Rag has to say before lynching.

Town has rushed lynching in the past. He might get lynched anyway but let's see what he has to say.Waiting till monday its a long time tho.

For now I'll answer some questions that were asked to me.

Loose Canon wrote:You see I've got a problem with that post too Traf. It's soo much what everyone can agree on without offering anything new, that it's suss , or at least doesn't allay any suspicions I already had.
Maybe I'm being a bit unfair?
It shows you are up to speed with the game at least, I suppose.
It indicates you are probably prepared to vote for pep today at least I presume. - but that's a list of 1 at the moment.
Who else are you prepared to vote for today and why?


Pretty much what everyone can agree? I mean maybe some things. But I don't see people questioning some of the things I posted.

You and Sonic are the 2 people that post the most. We all agrre to it, its a fact and we would need to be blind to not see it. But all those post doesn't mean quality post. Half of them are very especulative and had 0 evidence to abck things. Like when you say if X flips scumm then his partner shold be y and if Z flips scum his partner can't be A, etc.

I rather do those analysis post reveal otherwise we are especulating and causing more confusion. Scum can play many tactics.

DDS have been really quiet for his usual self he acknolodges it

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But ragian interactions saying that DDS should read him clearly sounds really off to me (again would like to hear what he has to say.

And to answer the last part of Loose question. I'd be willing to lynch Pepe, DDS, Rag, Sonic or Loose today with enough eveidence. but I dont want to rush on it.

Of my list Only me, EW, Max read town and pmc its very new to make accurate reads
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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby SoN!c on Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:35 pm

"The lynch on town hero Ragian." A true story in an alternative world.

It's a story so it's very long: and remember DDS you don't have to read it if you don't want to :D

I warned you with the legal notice clause in the previous post. So you could have known it would be about you and your Mr RAGOO. (Mr. MAGOO in the real world, this is the alternative version remember). :D

So here it goes:

Our story starts with Devante and with our town hero Ragian.
Little does Ragian know that Devante is the towniest town to ever town. But so the day starts and our hero Ragian is soon all over him.

Meanwhile, in the mind of our masterscum a little plan is starting to form. Our masterscum hivemind knows they will have to try to hit the other scumfaction at night, because that will be the winning strategy. If they go for the suspected Masons and the other faction does the same it's just one kill on the same target and besides the a spare Mason kicks in so what is the point. Bo they know they have to hit the scumfaction. But they want to stay in the shadow, not drawing any attention or a little as needed. So a dilemma unfolds.. How can we hit the other scumfaction if we have to stay in the shadows?

So our masterscum hive mind knows only town would search hard in the open (excluding perhaps some dumb orcs but what is the chance the other scum faction is made of two orcs?). So the masterscum hivemind knows they will have to go on town search activity to form their mind on who is scum and who is town.

But they also know that same search activity poses a real danger?

And a clear devious plan is starting to unfold: try hitting the other faction at night as a rule untill all dead and mislynch strong searcher townies during each day, using the same strong town searcher results to decide on the kill next night..

And so the masterscum idea is put in place and needs only execution, how can we mislynch strong townies. ? By sprinkling a littlebit of fairy dust during the previous day ofcourse..

So D1 starts and Ragian, LC and SoN!c are searching. LC and SoN!c are searching all over the place but our town hero Ragian just goes for 1 person all alone: Devante. Ideal for the plan. The idea comes to mind.. Let's set Ragian up by killing Devante!. And if Devante is scum like town Ragian thinks thats a doubler!. 2 flies with one stone. And that is the base line of the plan, try the doubler each day.

Then the day goes by untill deadline, and searcher SoN!c post a prediction saying "Ragian will stay on Devante".

Our grumpy elder Ragian gets annoyed with that comment so he flips to Pepe just for that reason (not wanting SoN!c's prediction on him to come true). But soon after our hero Ragian realizes how childish dumb he acted so he unvotes.

Our masterscum hive mind- lurking by - grabs their chance knowing they can use it tomorrow and the kill is chosen: Devante will die just to set Ragian up! He was the only searcher going that clearly for Devante.

So there goes Devante N1.. RIP Devante. Ragian is so baffled by it, his tiny cells can't believe scum killed Devante so he stays silent. One part of his brain is smart enough to know that if he is gonna comment it will only make him look scummier.. So the other part of his brain agrees and he stays silent like hell.

Then the next stage of the scumhive mind is set in place, one of the scum votes for the otherscum starting a "snow show" while sliding in a little comment on that Ragian glitch, very unobtrusive, in a ordinary "scum/townlist" posts.. (the glitch = Ragian's dumb vote / unvote on Pepe).

And they get lucky, one of the searchers say yes and agrees on anything except on one..(Pepe).

Now everything is set in place and time will do the rest.. soon the the little seeds that were planted do their job and LC is starting to question Ragian. Meanwhile, the second scumpartner got unlucky FoS so they agree to replace him with even a better devilry strategist who is on standby: here enters PMC!

Meanwhile Loose takes the bait on Rag so hard that Rag turns to DDS - "hey buddy help me out here, you know me: i'm no scum".

Then all PMC needs to do is butter up the third town searcher SoNic saying "he is good as town finding scum" (sure is!) and to remove any suspicion PMC even post "SoN!c is lock town" and copy paste's the same list DDS made but this time, knowing SoN!c did not like Pepe in that list, this time PMC leaves out exactly Pepe..and get's the real show going on Rag.

SoN!c takes the bait so his job is done and therefore expendable. Aready thinking on the next kill the scumhivemind already starts to sprinkle the first fairydust on his head, wanting to repeat the proven recipe the next day..
Because: Forced to kill the other scumfaction at night they want the good townsearchers dead ASAP by the only option left: a town mislynch. And that needs a bit of steering.

There is just one problem left; they are both in on the vote on Rag (but the hold the sweet safe spots n°1 and n°2). So should be ok and only DDS knows he will have to confirm his vote on Rag otherwise it just looks suspicious like hell.
So he pretends to be drunk and makes a new "scum/town" list. But there is nothing new in that list. However, that is not the point. It's another snow show. Just the one line is important in that entire list him staying he is staying on Rag.

Well done "master-scum-hive-mind-team" DDS/KONG/PMC =D> =D> =D>

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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby Loose Canon on Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:47 pm

Fair enough Traf, will have to think about what you are saying if I'm alive d3.

On pmc though, I think I have to transfer suspicions I had on Kong onto
PMC.

I just don't think it is correct play to let PMC come in with a clean slate.
PMC came in on a slight minus score for me inherited from Kong. And
he just has to live with that if it matters to him.

The suggestion PMC should have a clean slate is a marginal scum scar on the face of players who suggest it.

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Re: Charle's Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:55 pm

Don't drink and mafia, kids. It's bad for your health.

FPed.

Traf, why do you think EW and Max are town?
Dukasaur wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:taking medical advice from this creature; a morbidly obese man who is 100% convinced he willed himself into becoming a woman.

Your obsession with mrswdk is really sad.

ConfederateSS wrote:Just because people are idiots... Doesn't make them wrong.
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