The Tick Mafia - JUSTICE PREVAILS!

[DirtyDishSoap]

I have a hard time believing EW is scum. His arguments make sense in the same way I'm against pushing for inactives. But after Raz's post, it's literally just him saying he's still here, soft claims a cop (imo), and just disappears again. That, to me, warrants at least a vote.

The problem we're currently facing though, is that while we keep focusing on this one goofy ability, and Looses inability to at least confirm or deny that was his doing (in a timely manner), it actually takes away having any meaningful discussion about other players.

TL;DR - The smoke bomb is a distraction.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Here, I'll make a list and hopefully we can draw some conclusions.

Town
1. Myself - Super town hero, the best of the best. Man, myth and legend.
2. Strike - Scum hunts. Has some theories, can't agree with how the conclusion of Loose being scum = EW being scum. That's bit of a left field throw.
3. EW - Scum hunts, participates, dig his theories.
4. Fusi - Right now, he's playing differently than Elementary. I'm pretty sure based off some of his posts, I can firmly believe he is town.
5. Charle - Def town. Wouldn't make sense for him to go from Doc to Scum as a replacement.

Neutral
1. Traf - Just not seeing anything to get a strong indicator.
2. Bax - Is Bax. Dead weight.
3. Max - Much like Bax, barely said anything of note. Dead weight.
4. Darin - I have a hard time reading his posts and his alignment. Dead weight.
5. Swang - Hasn't really said much of anything that would raise my scum alarm.[/list]
6. Ragoon - More town leanish than the others, but I still am not 100% sure. More like 75%
7. Pixar - Had a joke wagon at L2, never claimed, nor would have I wanted him to. But generally speaking, been pretty quiet since.

Scummish/Scummy/Pure Scum/Strikes Conrad Impersonation
1. Loose - For obvious reasons. Between trying to bait people into revealing and posting some really inane babble and now this...Smoke bomby thingy where he has immunity? I don't get it.
2. Sonic - Has also been on my radar for really goofy antics. Thought maybe he was just a jester trying to get lynched. Still possible.
3. Pepe - Picked him out of the litter on the wagon due to his placement. Got an OMGUS vote out of it. (Despite me missing it in my drunken stupor).
4. Traffic - Generally just as inactive, but made one vote without really explaining anything and just, *poof.*

I actually hate this list. It really feels...incomplete and not at all correct. Mostly because no one other than a handful of us have been trying to push things along.
I know I had said previously that I am against going after inactives/non-alignment indictive, but there has to be a line in the sand drawn somewhere.

[strike wolf]

So anyways. I almost feel like Loose wants the attention at this point. Pix about to be forced to claim, he votes Ragian to expose his voteless status. Then makes a bunch of vague, half contradictory statements to draw more attention. Things "quiet down" too much for him so he tries to start a soft claim game. Then when he gets told outright it's not a good idea, he basically just says "nah. I think it is" and doubles down. Then today rather than vote as requested, he just makes a series of comments doing anything but until someone, possibly him, saves him with a smoke bomb. After which he asks the cop to claim and later demonstrates that he now has a double vote. Then conversation starts shifting back to Raz over him and he suddenly announces that he wasn't responsible for the smoke bomb. Now maybe he did this because Son!c brought up the smoke bomb again but he was earlier in the day, very much avoiding doing what others were asking him about. So the question would be, why listen to son!c then? And was it just coincidence/a convenient topic to get the attention he wanted?

Meanwhile, you have Son!c who seems very willing to put his attention on Loose and extreme who has been close to a defender. Now to Son!c's credit, Loose has acted (possibly intentionally) very scummy and I get why he would tunnel vision onto him. To Extreme's credit, he's not the only player to defend Loose based on his type of abilities being very rarely scum and I've had a hard time buying it as a scum role too. My guess is Loose is 3rd party. He has some ulterior motives to these actions but I am currently unsure what. His objectives are not necessarily against towns interests but his behavior has been and that to me is enough to justify that he should be dealt with at some point. In the meantime, while we are unable to do anything about it, I am going to devote my efforts after this post to trying to not fall into only talking about Loose. I know I have mostly done that here in this one long run on post but thats to get my thoughts on the matter out of the way.

And I just saw DDS's post which basically said the same thing much more succunctly.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Thats why it felt incomplete! I missed the Dukester.

You're neutral bud. Sorry.

[DirtyDishSoap]

And I just saw DDS's post which basically said the same thing much more succunctly.

Did it make you...Moist?

[strike wolf]

I'm always moist. Moist with the urge to fight injustice!

[strike wolf]

[quote="DirtyDishSoap"]Here, I'll make a list and hopefully we can draw some conclusions.

Town
1. Myself - Super town hero, the best of the best. Man, myth and legend.
2. Strike - Scum hunts. Has some theories, can't agree with how the conclusion of Loose being scum = EW being scum. That's bit of a left field throw.
3. EW - Scum hunts, participates, dig his theories.
4. Fusi - Right now, he's playing differently than Elementary. I'm pretty sure based off some of his posts, I can firmly believe he is town.
5. Charle - Def town. Wouldn't make sense for him to go from Doc to Scum as a replacement.

Neutral
1. Traf - Just not seeing anything to get a strong indicator.
2. Bax - Is Bax. Dead weight.
3. Max - Much like Bax, barely said anything of note. Dead weight.
4. Darin - I have a hard time reading his posts and his alignment. Dead weight.
5. Swang - Hasn't really said much of anything that would raise my scum alarm.[/list]
6. Ragoon - More town leanish than the others, but I still am not 100% sure. More like 75%
7. Pixar - Had a joke wagon at L2, never claimed, nor would have I wanted him to. But generally speaking, been pretty quiet since.

Scummish/Scummy/Pure Scum/Strikes Conrad Impersonation
1. Loose - For obvious reasons. Between trying to bait people into revealing and posting some really inane babble and now this...Smoke bomby thingy where he has immunity? I don't get it.
2. Sonic - Has also been on my radar for really goofy antics. Thought maybe he was just a jester trying to get lynched. Still possible.
3. Pepe - Picked him out of the litter on the wagon due to his placement. Got an OMGUS vote out of it. (Despite me missing it in my drunken stupor).
4. Traffic - Generally just as inactive, but made one vote without really explaining anything and just, *poof.*

I actually hate this list. It really feels...incomplete and not at all correct. Mostly because no one other than a handful of us have been trying to push things along.
I know I had said previously that I am against going after inactives/non-alignment indictive, but there has to be a line in the sand drawn somewhersuccinctly.

I'm mostly going to disagree on Charle. It's not up to him if the role he's replacing is scum, town or third party. So I don't think you can put him on your town list for his previous role.

List:

Town-Me. All alone. Eat it you scummy scumsters.

Townish

1. DDS-Scum hunts. Agree on his analyses mostly. Reasonable.
2. Ragian-Scumhunting. Hasn't said anything I've found egregious.
3. Fusi-agree with DDS that his behavior is different than Elementary where he was town. Scumhunting attempts feel genuine.

Neutral

1. Traf-Hasnt made much impact. Seems overwhelmed.
2. Son!c-Ambivalent may be the better word here. He's said somethings I've liked and a lot of things I didn't like. Most of the dislike could easily be put in the different playstyles and tunneling categories which do not actually point to scum. He does seem to do at least a bit of scumhunting but then he also makes comments about anyone disagreeing on a position is scummy which mostly feels like an attempt to shut down other opinions which I find scummy.
3. Swang-Just no strong feelings on him so far.
4. Charle-Recently replaced. Hasn't said much yet.
5. Duke-Can recall disagreeing on his position at a couple points but nothing that actually felt scummish.
6. Pepe-I know he's posted.
7. Extreme-Had been leaning townish. Less certain now.
8. *Pixar*-Been inconsistent post wagon but doesn't feel like his behavior from last time he was mafia.

3rd party

1. Loose-His behavior doesn't scream town. Ability still feels unlikely to be mafia/cult and there's currently no concrete evidence of an SK. Should be dealt with at some point but useless to pursue more today.

Scummish

1. Raz-hes avoided saying much. Maybe he's really inactive but his defense basically was 'town will regret lynching me if they do!' And I've already treaded over how I felt his early behavior felt like identifying targets and making facts fit it later.
2. Trafalgar-So I don't have anything super solid here. It's just a feeling of difference from his previous behavior where he was town. Here he feels a lot less active and blending more into the background.
3. Darin-Quiet though admitted to being so out of worry he'd be targeted again. Changed his opinion on the Pix wagon day 1.

Probably should be replaced

1. Max-Hasnt said much. Not very active.
2. Bax-2 whole posts. Neither had much impact.

[degaston]

FYI, I don't have any replacements, so my only option is to mod-kill inactive players.

Max hasn't opened emails, and is timing out in his games. I don't know what happened to him, but he'll be mod-killed at the end of the game-day if he doesn't show up.

Bax has opened emails, and made a post , so I'll hold off on a decision.

[strike wolf]

Here, I'll make a list and hopefully we can draw some conclusions.

Town
1. Myself - Super town hero, the best of the best. Man, myth and legend.
2. Strike - Scum hunts. Has some theories, can't agree with how the conclusion of Loose being scum = EW being scum. That's bit of a left field throw.
3. EW - Scum hunts, participates, dig his theories.
4. Fusi - Right now, he's playing differently than Elementary. I'm pretty sure based off some of his posts, I can firmly believe he is town.
5. Charle - Def town. Wouldn't make sense for him to go from Doc to Scum as a replacement.

Neutral
1. Traf - Just not seeing anything to get a strong indicator.
2. Bax - Is Bax. Dead weight.
3. Max - Much like Bax, barely said anything of note. Dead weight.
4. Darin - I have a hard time reading his posts and his alignment. Dead weight.
5. Swang - Hasn't really said much of anything that would raise my scum alarm.[/list]
6. Ragoon - More town leanish than the others, but I still am not 100% sure. More like 75%
7. Pixar - Had a joke wagon at L2, never claimed, nor would have I wanted him to. But generally speaking, been pretty quiet since.

Scummish/Scummy/Pure Scum/Strikes Conrad Impersonation
1. Loose - For obvious reasons. Between trying to bait people into revealing and posting some really inane babble and now this...Smoke bomby thingy where he has immunity? I don't get it.
2. Sonic - Has also been on my radar for really goofy antics. Thought maybe he was just a jester trying to get lynched. Still possible.
3. Pepe - Picked him out of the litter on the wagon due to his placement. Got an OMGUS vote out of it. (Despite me missing it in my drunken stupor).
4. Traffic - Generally just as inactive, but made one vote without really explaining anything and just, *poof.*

I actually hate this list. It really feels...incomplete and not at all correct. Mostly because no one other than a handful of us have been trying to push things along.
I know I had said previously that I am against going after inactives/non-alignment indictive, but there has to be a line in the sand drawn somewhere.

I'm mostly going to disagree on Charle. It's not up to him if the role he's replacing is scum, town or third party. So I don't think you can put him on your town list for his previous role.

List:

Town-Me. All alone. Eat it you scummy scumsters.

Townish

1. DDS-Scum hunts. Agree on his analyses mostly. Reasonable.
2. Ragian-Scumhunting. Hasn't said anything I've found egregious.
3. Fusi-agree with DDS that his behavior is different than Elementary where he was town. Scumhunting attempts feel genuine.

Neutral

1. Traf-Hasnt made much impact. Seems overwhelmed.
2. Son!c-Ambivalent may be the better word here. He's said somethings I've liked and a lot of things I didn't like. Most of the dislike could easily be put in the different playstyles and tunneling categories which do not actually point to scum. He does seem to do at least a bit of scumhunting but then he also makes comments about anyone disagreeing on a position is scummy which mostly feels like an attempt to shut down other opinions which I find scummy.
3. Swang-Just no strong feelings on him so far.
4. Charle-Recently replaced. Hasn't said much yet.
5. Duke-Can recall disagreeing on his position at a couple points but nothing that actually felt scummish.
6. Pepe-I know he's posted.
7. Extreme-Had been leaning townish. Less certain now.
8. *Pixar*-Been inconsistent post wagon but doesn't feel like his behavior from last time he was mafia.

3rd party

1. Loose-His behavior doesn't scream town. Ability still feels unlikely to be mafia/cult and there's currently no concrete evidence of an SK. Should be dealt with at some point but useless to pursue more today.

Scummish

1. Raz-hes avoided saying much. Maybe he's really inactive but his defense basically was 'town will regret lynching me if they do!' And I've already treaded over how I felt his early behavior felt like identifying targets and making facts fit it later.
2. Trafalgar-So I don't have anything super solid here. It's just a feeling of difference from his previous behavior where he was town. Here he feels a lot less active and blending more into the background.
3. Darin-Quiet though admitted to being so out of worry he'd be targeted again. Changed his opinion on the Pix wagon day 1.

Probably should be replaced

1. Max-Hasnt said much. Not very active.
2. Bax-2 whole posts. Neither had much impact.

Ebwop. Don't know how the end of Dish's post got chopped.

[DirtyDishSoap]

So can you elaborate more on Traf and Darin?

Darin just gets super defensive if he has any type of suspicion so, typically a hard read on that bag of worms.

Interested in Traf though.

Also, forgot to mention Raz too in my list but obviously scummy for the aforementioned crap he pulled earlier.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I mostly agree with DDS. We all know there is something weird about Loose but we can't do anything about it today and leave the situation for D3. So we should move to some other leads (Not that there are many of them).

I have about the same feeling as D1 but with some small differences. As we have learned a few things. If I understand correctly, the Mafia could not chat D1 therefore they didn’t know each other. So I don’t buy the theory that Loose jumped in Pix defense.

Loose - I mostly agree with EW that Loose powers are more townish, but as I said in another post, I can barely defend Loose anymore. I asked him again why he insisted on going for trade of claims when it would benefit the mafia. Yet he refuses to answer and changes subject to something else therefore I think he is 3rd party or just deliberately not helping town on purpose.

Sonic has been a little more townie than D1, but still not off the list. Now he seems to be trying to find more solid evidence to make a case, but then he still gets focused on random comments, throws random quotes, and still I feel he confuses town more than helps it. Like calling EW Loose Layer.

EW is townie to me, He is trying to use facts and analyze situations and even though Loos has red flags all over the place do not rush to call it a day. But actually try to figure more things out of it.

Pix has been much more quiet and far from his attitude D1 and still feel something is odd about him.

Raz is my number one suspect atm as he hasn’t said anything useful why not being completely inactive and I find it odd for his personality.

Fusi still is to me, I don’t think he just learned from his Godfather role but actually is more invested and feels natural to me.

Swang not much change I feel he was honest D1, not much change D2 I would like to know the supposed Loose theory about him blending in, but at this point I don’t expect a solid answer from Loose.

Charle - I disagree with DSS that it wouldn't make sense for him to go from Doc to Scum - It wouldn't make sense the other way around as a mafia would know other mafias at night, therefore the player cannot keep playing, but as we know he was Doc, so he must have submitted and action to protect other than himself (he cannot say who), and got killed, so he does not know anything. And Drake was the first player to be replaced even faster than now Max being almost mod killed and Bax who we said is dead weight, so can go anywhere tbh.

Bax and Traffic still death weight.

DDS is more townish to me today, and wants to move things forward and clarify things.

Strike, well probably a bad timing for me as he just had raised suspicions about me, But of the 4 players I said were hard to read (Strike, EW, DDS and Reg) he seems the more suspicious to me. He has been to town 2 times and in both games every time he found an inconsistency he would pound over and over till he got some answer, that way he found mafia's last 2 games, but this game even though there has been a lot of inconsistencies he does not pound after them.

No opinion on the others.

[SoN!c]

Yes we need to look elsewhere now we can't pursue loose anymore today. That was the task the mod gave us.

It's just i like to go on facts and not on feelings. You use feelings and hunches to get to solid facts. Drive people into an emotional response and then judge / analyse their alignments based on that emotion. But all the play did not lead to a lot of facts besides the facts on Loose. He is definetly not town.

Townish:
1. Fusi
2. DDS
3. Ragian
4. Traf, had a tiny hunch about him in the beginning but he check's out ok
5. Charle

3rd party
Loose 100% Should be dealt with at some point but useless to pursue more today.

There are more people on the townish list but can't name them all by memory. And then there are the deadweights.

Scum:

Only hunches, but no facts to say anything realy

PS: @Traf, i never called EW "Loose Layer". I said Lawyer but you will understand "advocate" better. If you say "Layer" that sounds a bit like EW is a loose layer or a liar.. That has a total different meaning and confuses the fast scrollers. It'sthese little misunderstandings that get a whole different meaning on a read of somebody. And the only reason i said EW is Loose advocate is because I say Loose is scum or third party and try to dig a bit deeper on him but then EW swoops in saying Loose is town (and is always very quick to do so). Not one of the facts on Loose seemed enough for him to make him even doubt it seems

[DukeHazzard]

If I understand correctly, the Mafia could not chat D1 therefore they didn’t know each other. So I don’t buy the theory that Loose jumped in Pix defense.

When I was scum in the last game I played, we all signed into scum chat before the first day started. We weren't allowed to chat during the day but we definitely knew who each other were. I think you're wrong here as Loose may have known his scum buddy was in trouble and acted on his own to defend him.

[DukeHazzard]

Thats why it felt incomplete! I missed the Dukester.

You're neutral bud. Sorry.

I was feeling a little left out when I read your list... Glad you caught it before I had a chance to say.. lol

[TrafalgarLaw01]

If I understand correctly, the Mafia could not chat D1 therefore they didn’t know each other. So I don’t buy the theory that Loose jumped in Pix defense.

When I was scum in the last game I played, we all signed into scum chat before the first day started. We weren't allowed to chat during the day but we definitely knew who each other were. I think you're wrong here as Loose may have known his scum buddy was in trouble and acted on his own to defend him.

Ah thanks, then there is a chance of it. But still Loose powers are odd for mafia

[strike wolf]

I mostly agree with DDS. We all know there is something weird about Loose but we can't do anything about it today and leave the situation for D3. So we should move to some other leads (Not that there are many of them).

I have about the same feeling as D1 but with some small differences. As we have learned a few things. If I understand correctly, the Mafia could not chat D1 therefore they didn’t know each other. So I don’t buy the theory that Loose jumped in Pix defense.

Loose - I mostly agree with EW that Loose powers are more townish, but as I said in another post, I can barely defend Loose anymore. I asked him again why he insisted on going for trade of claims when it would benefit the mafia. Yet he refuses to answer and changes subject to something else therefore I think he is 3rd party or just deliberately not helping town on purpose.

Sonic has been a little more townie than D1, but still not off the list. Now he seems to be trying to find more solid evidence to make a case, but then he still gets focused on random comments, throws random quotes, and still I feel he confuses town more than helps it. Like calling EW Loose Layer.

EW is townie to me, He is trying to use facts and analyze situations and even though Loos has red flags all over the place do not rush to call it a day. But actually try to figure more things out of it.

Pix has been much more quiet and far from his attitude D1 and still feel something is odd about him.

Raz is my number one suspect atm as he hasn’t said anything useful why not being completely inactive and I find it odd for his personality.

Fusi still is to me, I don’t think he just learned from his Godfather role but actually is more invested and feels natural to me.

Swang not much change I feel he was honest D1, not much change D2 I would like to know the supposed Loose theory about him blending in, but at this point I don’t expect a solid answer from Loose.

Charle - I disagree with DSS that it wouldn't make sense for him to go from Doc to Scum - It wouldn't make sense the other way around as a mafia would know other mafias at night, therefore the player cannot keep playing, but as we know he was Doc, so he must have submitted and action to protect other than himself (he cannot say who), and got killed, so he does not know anything. And Drake was the first player to be replaced even faster than now Max being almost mod killed and Bax who we said is dead weight, so can go anywhere tbh.

Bax and Traffic still death weight.

DDS is more townish to me today, and wants to move things forward and clarify things.

Strike, well probably a bad timing for me as he just had raised suspicions about me, But of the 4 players I said were hard to read (Strike, EW, DDS and Reg) he seems the more suspicious to me. He has been to town 2 times and in both games every time he found an inconsistency he would pound over and over till he got some answer, that way he found mafia's last 2 games, but this game even though there has been a lot of inconsistencies he does not pound after them.

No opinion on the others.

Which inconsistencies are you referring to because I admit I got s bit lost in all the Loose and Son!c and stuff and could have missed some things.

[DukeHazzard]

I am starting to agree with others about Raz. I def didn't like how he said he was taking time off work at the end of the month like that should exclude him from being looked at. Didn't we all join this game knowing we had to participate? Raz should know this best, being mod and all. Don't really buy the whole too busy at work excuse either... time to vote.

vote Raz

fastposted by traf and strike

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Thats why it felt incomplete! I missed the Dukester.

You're neutral bud. Sorry.

I was feeling a little left out when I read your list... Glad you caught it before I had a chance to say.. lol

You are very neutral Duke

[YouTube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SSEjPuR11_k[/YouTube]

[DukeHazzard]

Thats why it felt incomplete! I missed the Dukester.

You're neutral bud. Sorry.

I was feeling a little left out when I read your list... Glad you caught it before I had a chance to say.. lol

You are very neutral Duke

[YouTube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SSEjPuR11_k[/YouTube]

lol.. that was funny.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I mostly agree with DDS. We all know there is something weird about Loose but we can't do anything about it today and leave the situation for D3. So we should move to some other leads (Not that there are many of them).

I have about the same feeling as D1 but with some small differences. As we have learned a few things. If I understand correctly, the Mafia could not chat D1 therefore they didn’t know each other. So I don’t buy the theory that Loose jumped in Pix defense.

Loose - I mostly agree with EW that Loose powers are more townish, but as I said in another post, I can barely defend Loose anymore. I asked him again why he insisted on going for trade of claims when it would benefit the mafia. Yet he refuses to answer and changes subject to something else therefore I think he is 3rd party or just deliberately not helping town on purpose.

Sonic has been a little more townie than D1, but still not off the list. Now he seems to be trying to find more solid evidence to make a case, but then he still gets focused on random comments, throws random quotes, and still I feel he confuses town more than helps it. Like calling EW Loose Layer.

EW is townie to me, He is trying to use facts and analyze situations and even though Loos has red flags all over the place do not rush to call it a day. But actually try to figure more things out of it.

Pix has been much more quiet and far from his attitude D1 and still feel something is odd about him.

Raz is my number one suspect atm as he hasn’t said anything useful why not being completely inactive and I find it odd for his personality.

Fusi still is to me, I don’t think he just learned from his Godfather role but actually is more invested and feels natural to me.

Swang not much change I feel he was honest D1, not much change D2 I would like to know the supposed Loose theory about him blending in, but at this point I don’t expect a solid answer from Loose.

Charle - I disagree with DSS that it wouldn't make sense for him to go from Doc to Scum - It wouldn't make sense the other way around as a mafia would know other mafias at night, therefore the player cannot keep playing, but as we know he was Doc, so he must have submitted and action to protect other than himself (he cannot say who), and got killed, so he does not know anything. And Drake was the first player to be replaced even faster than now Max being almost mod killed and Bax who we said is dead weight, so can go anywhere tbh.

Bax and Traffic still death weight.

DDS is more townish to me today, and wants to move things forward and clarify things.

Strike, well probably a bad timing for me as he just had raised suspicions about me, But of the 4 players I said were hard to read (Strike, EW, DDS and Reg) he seems the more suspicious to me. He has been to town 2 times and in both games every time he found an inconsistency he would pound over and over till he got some answer, that way he found mafia's last 2 games, but this game even though there has been a lot of inconsistencies he does not pound after them.

No opinion on the others.

Which inconsistencies are you referring to because I admit I got s bit lost in all the Loose and Son!c and stuff and could have missed some things.

Yeah mainly with Loose, Sonic, EW disscussion I have not commented much as there is a lot of back and fort with mumble. I would need to check again. I remember u said why Loose didnt said before smoke was not his power, but you seeme to not care for an answer or perhaps there was no way to get it. Sonic and EW have said its one way or the other you seem to jump on the if Loose is mafia so is EW. I dont think rhats the case and would have expect you to think so. As I don't think that if EW and Loose were mafia they would be aligning so much D2.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Thats why it felt incomplete! I missed the Dukester.

You're neutral bud. Sorry.

I was feeling a little left out when I read your list... Glad you caught it before I had a chance to say.. lol

You are very neutral Duke

Gotchu fam.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Thats why it felt incomplete! I missed the Dukester.

You're neutral bud. Sorry.

I was feeling a little left out when I read your list... Glad you caught it before I had a chance to say.. lol

You are very neutral Duke

Gotchu fam.

Thank you. The joke is actually good for it to be lost cause I cant link properly

[strike wolf]

So the Darin suspicions are admittedly flimsy and the lowest ranked of my scummy vibes list but it's mostly from these three posts:

I would like to vote but I don't want to jump on a bandwagon. just to get a claim from Pixar but maybe I will we just need more info

Joke stage is still going on. I think it's funny that 7 of you at one point want me dead already

I just want a claim

Vote Pixar

Could Charle have visited someone with a view to saving them, but had the bad luck to visit scum who took the opportunity to shoot him.
Sort of a no good deed goes unpunished thing?

Ok if this was the case then who did scum kill last night?

You are just getting sketchier and sketchier

Vote Loose Canon

and FoS Pixar for reasons in my last post

I will hold my vote for now. but I thank loose not voting so we can see if count or not is scummy. Pixar is still on my list of FOS

He went from not wanting to vote Pix just for a claim but maybe he would to, voting Pix because he just wanted a claim to saying he still has Pix on his FOS list. The first two were consecutive posts from him and the third was after only one other post where he basically said he didn't know what to think. His opinion on Pix and his wagon basically evolves for not much stated reason. Also, while I do sympathize with him for not wanting to stick hisneck out too much after what happened Day 2 of Elementary mafia, trying to avoid too much pressure is also a common mafia tactic.

I want to clarify something:

Thinking I got bailed out by Loose was a total coincidence. I was actually about to claim until I got fast posted by that vote count which made me retract my claim, because something was going on with Loose's vote. But yes I would like to see Loose vote for someone today just to see what happens. And how does Loose not being able to be lynched today "confirm" him as town? Maybe he's got one action to use all game and he used it now since he was getting pressured?

Because such an ability for mafia is very much overpowered. Loose also used his abilty when there was 0 pressure on him, so I dont think it makes sense as mafia to do so.

Not a townie that's helping, though.

While I agree that it's an insanely powerful ability for mafia, I wouldny say he had no pressure on him. He had multiple people voting for him and a few others calling for him to prove that he was still voteless. I see three scenarios where this might be a scum role because at this point, Loose has just acted way too fishy for me not to consider the possibility.

1. Mafia is otherwise really underpowered/town is overpowered in comparison to mafia because town is very strong on comparison to mafia, Dega felt that they needed an extremely powerful role to balance out the differrbce.
2. He is either Sk or has some other 3p with a win con that involves finding a certain role or certain roles. In this case, the ability to avoid a lynch may just to be give a role that's usually at a disadvantage, especially in bigger games, a fighting chance or if his 3p role involves surviving somehow, it may be there just to help him live long enough to achieve his other objective. His behavior doesn't seem consistent with someone who has a survivor role but maybe he's just been more vocal because he's had the confidence that he could fall back on his 'smoke bomb' if things got too hairy.
3. The game just isn't balanced. Sorry Dega.

That said, unless this really isn't balanced at all, I can't see it being an ability scum could use more than once. Even with the side effect of being voteless.

I'll say that I actually agree with Son!c that Loose probably should be the target tomorrow barring a more promising lead. I feel that if Loose is scum than Extreme is more likely to also be scum. If he's Town/Serial Killer/3rd party then Son!c is slightly more likely to be scum.

Lot of posts in half a day, have pretty much read them but none that peaked my interest enough to quote directly. I'll say again, I was one of the ones who was adamantly against the wagon. It was started from nothing and I find it hard to blame Pix from not taking it all that seriously at first. It also felt like a lot of people were then just trying to justify it based on a joke comment Pix made at the beginning of the game which also didn't sit right with me. That said, I didn't have much of a vibe from Pix either way at the time but I can't say that he's done much to win me over since.

I've already stated my opinions on Raz earlier. He's been inactive since so I cant really say much has changed. He should probably get mod prodded and Bax at this point should either be replaced or modkilled. Has Drake posted recently? Will need to check.

I did not say that Extreme is scum if Loose is scum. I said that if Loose is scum than Extreme is more likely to be scum. I said it based on Extreme feeling like the one who's gone the farthest to defend Loose. It's by no means definitive and I'm leaning against Loose being mafia in general overall due to the weird nature of his role. I want to bring it up because at least 3 people including Extreme himself have brought it up as if I said that it was definitive and I think the distinction is important here.

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With that, it sounds like we're drawing the conclusion that Loose's flip is going to be damning one or more players.

I personally don't like it. I feel like that can go very, very wrong, very quickly.

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REGARDLESS THOUGH! HURBURLURR! That's a D3 discussion.