[Exp] CYOC! #4 Endgame! Town wins, you filthy animals

[ptlowe]

On a side note, Mitch was way to cosey with streaker last game. I didnt like it. I also live with the theory mafia most likely wont put there votes together so either strike wolf or madmitch is scum.

vote madmitch

may i ask how mitch being cozy with streak the last game has anything to do with this game?? im gonna do a reread tomarrow and see if i can figure this out

I meant yesterday...im tired

[Endgame422]

Streaker,benga IS inconsistent but that doesnt mean he is scum.
I imagine if he was scum he would have argued why he isnt scum,instead of why the player voting him is scum.
Everyone knows OMGUS always draws peoples attention and i think scum are typically smart enough not to do it on D1.
Of course you can make WIFOM arguements all day about this but im looking for who is trying to blend in,if thats bengas goal that vote/case against streaker does not serve him very well.
Fpd by wing.

I have pushed people on D1 for less then being inconsistent, and going OMGUS, and twisting statements to his own benefit all in one. But no, it doesn't mean he is scum.

Endgame, you value the push on Tim over what I said? Because all I'm reading on Tim is that he moved away from dakky after his claim, and his unwillingless to lynch a claimed 3rd party. Am I missing something?

This was streaker defending tim D1. Not really saying he reads tim as town,just that he doesn't see how he is scum. Defending him without taking a hard stance.
D2(when streaker KNEW he would be lynched) he switched and began pushing for the tim lynch

Vote Tim

This seems like a classic misdirection attempt to me,when he has some credibility,he defends his scum partner,when he has negatiative credibility,he attacks him.
Of course you can argue WIFOM all day here but this is how this reads to me from a confirmed scum streaker.
Combine this with the fact that streaker "hammered" benga in the final hours avoiding a tim lynch and i think there is a solid chance that tim is scum.
Vote Tim

[strike wolf]

Actually I think the failed kill smells more like hider (hiding behind a bulletproof and near confirmed town PT makes a lot of sense) to me while the other misdirection were likely bus driver actions.

Will post again once I reread streaker's posts and reactions from yesterday.

[ptlowe]

Actually I think the failed kill smells more like hider (hiding behind a bulletproof and near confirmed town PT makes a lot of sense) to me while the other misdirection were likely bus driver actions.

Will post again once I reread streaker's posts and reactions from yesterday.

Soo they used my bp then? I am killer pgo now under this assumption. Whats a hider?

[strike wolf]

A hider chooses one person to hide behind each night. Any action directed at them fails or hits the other person depending on the role variation. If the other person is killed however the hider would also die. Usually hiders also die if they hide behind scum.

[HotShot53]

If there is a hider around, they lucked out with having PT to hide behind lol.

Streaker,benga IS inconsistent but that doesnt mean he is scum.
I imagine if he was scum he would have argued why he isnt scum,instead of why the player voting him is scum.
Everyone knows OMGUS always draws peoples attention and i think scum are typically smart enough not to do it on D1.
Of course you can make WIFOM arguements all day about this but im looking for who is trying to blend in,if thats bengas goal that vote/case against streaker does not serve him very well.
Fpd by wing.

I have pushed people on D1 for less then being inconsistent, and going OMGUS, and twisting statements to his own benefit all in one. But no, it doesn't mean he is scum.

Endgame, you value the push on Tim over what I said? Because all I'm reading on Tim is that he moved away from dakky after his claim, and his unwillingless to lynch a claimed 3rd party. Am I missing something?

This was streaker defending tim D1. Not really saying he reads tim as town,just that he doesn't see how he is scum. Defending him without taking a hard stance.
D2(when streaker KNEW he would be lynched) he switched and began pushing for the tim lynch

Vote Tim

This seems like a classic misdirection attempt to me,when he has some credibility,he defends his scum partner,when he has negatiative credibility,he attacks him.
Of course you can argue WIFOM all day here but this is how this reads to me from a confirmed scum streaker.
Combine this with the fact that streaker "hammered" benga in the final hours avoiding a tim lynch and i think there is a solid chance that tim is scum.
Vote Tim

Usually, whatever a scum says after being caught I ignore due to WIFOM, and because he could have thought there was a small chance tim could get lynched instead of him. Combined with the day one though, you could have something there. I'll have to go back and re-read tim.

Looks like a bus driver redirected the target and the cop died due to mafia's shot. That is my best guess.

On a side note, Mitch was way to cosey with streaker last game. I didnt like it. I also live with the theory mafia most likely wont put there votes together so either strike wolf or madmitch is scum.

vote madmitch

Mitch's strong defense of streaker was kind of funny... it's pretty rare anyone hard defends someone who has a cop check go against them. Usually scum are smart enough to avoid someone who is caught, and town follow the cop... with mitch, is it more likely he was trying to defend his buddy, or somehow actually believed streaker? Since it's mitch, who knows... but I'd lean on the side of buddy defending. I'll have to re-read him also, and then make a choice between voting mitch or tim.

[Metsfanmax]

You're absolutely right. A town mitch would be there three minutes later saying "let's vote Streaker right now" and then not understand why anyone else wasn't on board with immediately lynching.

[Endgame422]

First off more on tim.
D1 he received a good deal of heat but never claimed anything at all.
This seems strange to me unless hes worried he might botch a fakeclaim on D1.
Instead of saying "dont lynch me because im town" he simply votes benga

vote benga better him then me right??

This sets up someone to "hammer" near the deadline, which streaker happily obliged,without tim even taking any kind of stance on bengas alignment.
Its the perfect excuse for multiple scum to be on the same wagon D1,it killed claimed doc and(assuming tim is scum)saved one scum,even if it ended up getting 1 of them caught it was a worthwhile effort by scum as town doc is a major thorn in their sides and tim would have been lynched had the benga lynch not gone through.
Tim also got alot of heat on D1 for just blending in which also seemed a bit suspicious at the time,but he hasnt really picked it up today either,his comments appear to be pure fluff so far today.
Example:

sounds like crazyness happened llast night

Other thoughts,
Virus needs to get in here,give us all of reads,1 post per gameday is pathetic and i know virus can do better.
The thing going for virus in my book is that both streaker and tim have half-heartedly pushed him during times they werent under much pressure,(streaker D1,Tim D2)
This said i could probably go for a virus lynch unless he shows up and gives me a reason to read him as town as im fairly uncertain right now.
Ill agree with HS that mitch defending streaker struck me as off as well.
Last time i recall mitch being scum(HP mafia) he made several plays that seemed too obvious for scum to make so perhaps the obvious option of buddydefending is the reality.
So im good with tim or mitch and virus as a backup today.

[madmitch]

Streaker had me fooled I reread all posts and there was nothing really scummy on him ,granted I did vote him once but I also voted on different people also,this game was a hard read sometimes,I know that spy glass reading was true now but earlier I was not sure considering the gift came from the moth man , I thought the curse or bad thing that happened was a mis read by the spy glass so that is why I WAS STICKY UP FOR STREAKER and I might have been right,but I was not so forgive me for beening fooled.

[madmitch]

My top scum pick is VIRUS . he has been hiding or afk all game ther is something that is not right ,just a gut feeling

[virus90]

i was the one to start with, and stick on timwoodsbury day 1. who in my opinion is still the nr 1 target. if not a last minute mafia vote of streaker on benga we might just have gotten 2 out of 2.

hmmmkay. vote tim
tim doesnt post much content gets called out, and admits. then posts some more meaningless posts. Also basicly the only one who was jokevoting/posting all around, while the rest has voted/posted about dakky om some other serious opinions. say he will catch up by sunday, but so far i see enough reason to vote.

day 2 we had a basicly confirmed scum, so i voted streaker, since i believe its better to kill someone who is basicly confirmed scum, then to kill someone who you think is scum. Didnt post much cause i believed that streaker was scum, and even with the discussion about it still believed he was. the game stalled, its what happens when you get it handed on a silver platter, what else to discuss. i mean you can make all kind of assumptions but they are based on the hypothesis you so desperatly want to test (streaker being scum). BUT in the end the only one making waves is streaker with i am town dont lynch me, and no one believes it. better end it fast in a day or 5 then wait 2 weeks beating around the bush. with holiday season coming up and inactivity that comes with it cause of visiting friends and family i hoped we could hurry up a sure lynch a bit.

So i agree with endgame, or he agrees with me, that tim is just making filler-posts not taking stances etc. i think we should lynch him. to be honest i dont see better candidates.
mitch might be a candidate since he is on the wrong team all the time, voted benga, didnt believe ptlowe so didnt vote streaker but went for metsfanmax? problem with him is i never know if hes just a bad playing towny or scum. But for me a tim claim is the only thing i hope for now.

[TimWoodbury]

First off more on tim.
D1 he received a good deal of heat but never claimed anything at all.
This seems strange to me unless hes worried he might botch a fakeclaim on D1.

so in the past i get trouble for claiming so this time i say whatever and dont claime yah still give me grief... yah cant have both sides of the rainbow

[TimWoodbury]

and i agree with mitch vrus pulled this same shanangns in his 1st game i played with him hid never talked and was skum so im gonna say vote virus
sorry virus but when your playing the same as how you did in ur skum game then i can only gather you must be doing the same here

[pancakemix]

Sorry again for the absence. Been a busy couple of days, but I'm trying to stick this out.

PT wasn't shot at. I was. I also had a bulletproof, and I was informed my vest was used last night.

Now that that's out of the way, some thoughts:

- I'm ruling out virus. Scum obviously aren't passive this game and virus hasn't been active enough to be killing anybody (that, and he's always on the low end of the activity spectrum, so I'd say that's not alignment indicative). Anyone going after him is looking for low-hanging fruit, which I think is scummy (looking at you, Mitch).

- Here's a good question: who was Marashu pushing most? Or who did he say he trusted? We may be able to glean something from that.

- Something to keep in mind: TFO all but confirmed PT was Wolverine, but are we sure he's the Wolverine he says he is? It seems like PT's claim is a little too neat. (Leaving this for posterity as upon review of that, uh, one post, it's questionable. I'm not going to completely discount it either.

- End, whom did you visit last night? Might shed some light on the above.

[madmitch]

Actually I think the failed kill smells more like hider (hiding behind a bulletproof and near confirmed town PT makes a lot of sense) to me while the other misdirection were likely bus driver actions.

Will post again once I reread streaker's posts and reactions from yesterday.

Soo they used my bp then? I am killer pgo now under this assumption. Whats a hider?

I thought you said it was safe to visit you the first night and after that it was unsafe,so what 's with your state? you were visited and received the spy glass so you should be unsafe to visit after that visit ,so whats up ? maybe you are not what you say.

[ptlowe]

Actually I think the failed kill smells more like hider (hiding behind a bulletproof and near confirmed town PT makes a lot of sense) to me while the other misdirection were likely bus driver actions.

Will post again once I reread streaker's posts and reactions from yesterday.

Soo they used my bp then? I am killer pgo now under this assumption. Whats a hider?

I thought you said it was safe to visit you the first night and after that it was unsafe,so what 's with your state? you were visited and received the spy glass so you should be unsafe to visit after that visit ,so whats up ? maybe you are not what you say.

Its getting anoying how many times I am explaining this to you.

I am safe to visit up until I get shot. Then I become PGO. I DONT FIN KNOW WHEN I AM VISITED/SHOT/ECT unless the mod tells me this. All I know from night one is that I got a spyglass...It said Streaker was dirty and then I voted streaker. Streaker was scum and died and now I dont have a spyglass because it was once use.

GOT IT??????

[Iron Butterfly]

and i agree with mitch vrus pulled this same shanangns in his 1st game i played with him hid never talked and was skum so im gonna say vote virus
sorry virus but when your playing the same as how you did in ur skum game then i can only gather you must be doing the same here

I thought you were a good day one lynch yesterday.

Virus is playing like Virus. He is always hard to read or trust. He has also played this way and come in to save the day. Virus has been on you since day one. It has been the small things. If I hear one more person say, "I need to re-read" I am going to hurl. But yeh...your posts have been all fluff no substance. Posting for the sake of posting.

I also question the issue of bulletproof. I have never played a game with TWO bullet proof people. Why would PCM be able to know his BP was used while Ptlowe would not. Second how can you lose a BP and someone else dies? The night scene suggests switches and misdirection, that much one can read. Why would the shot not stop with PCM?

Do we have 2 shooters or just 1? What I found interesting about the night scene was the part about The Yawns.

[ptlowe]

Yeah point at the guy that got mafia lynched yesterday. I am what I say I am. I have one shot bullet proof and then become PGO.

How do we know you were informed of such stuff, just your word. Also, funny you rule our virus but you focus me when I am the only one that has gotten a mafia player killed.

FPD

Sorry again for the absence. Been a busy couple of days, but I'm trying to stick this out.

PT wasn't shot at. I was. I also had a bulletproof, and I was informed my vest was used last night.

Now that that's out of the way, some thoughts:

- I'm ruling out virus. Scum obviously aren't passive this game and virus hasn't been active enough to be killing anybody (that, and he's always on the low end of the activity spectrum, so I'd say that's not alignment indicative). Anyone going after him is looking for low-hanging fruit, which I think is scummy (looking at you, Mitch).

- Here's a good question: who was Marashu pushing most? Or who did he say he trusted? We may be able to glean something from that.

- Something to keep in mind: TFO all but confirmed PT was Wolverine, but are we sure he's the Wolverine he says he is? It seems like PT's claim is a little too neat. (Leaving this for posterity as upon review of that, uh, one post, it's questionable. I'm not going to completely discount it either.

- End, whom did you visit last night? Might shed some light on the above.

[ptlowe]

Maybe I can know whether it was used. I havent been notified one way or another. I can ask I guess.

and i agree with mitch vrus pulled this same shanangns in his 1st game i played with him hid never talked and was skum so im gonna say vote virus
sorry virus but when your playing the same as how you did in ur skum game then i can only gather you must be doing the same here

I thought you were a good day one lynch yesterday.

Virus is playing like Virus. He is always hard to read or trust. He has also played this way and come in to save the day. Virus has been on you since day one. It has been the small things. If I hear one more person say, "I need to re-read" I am going to hurl. But yeh...your posts have been all fluff no substance. Posting for the sake of posting.

I also question the issue of bulletproof. I have never played a game with TWO bullet proof people. Why would PCM be able to know his BP was used while Ptlowe would not. Second how can you lose a BP and someone else dies? The night scene suggests switches and misdirection, that much one can read. Why would the shot not stop with PCM?

Do we have 2 shooters or just 1? What I found interesting about the night scene was the part about The Yawns.

[ptlowe]

i was the one to start with, and stick on timwoodsbury day 1. who in my opinion is still the nr 1 target. if not a last minute mafia vote of streaker on benga we might just have gotten 2 out of 2.

hmmmkay. vote tim
tim doesnt post much content gets called out, and admits. then posts some more meaningless posts. Also basicly the only one who was jokevoting/posting all around, while the rest has voted/posted about dakky om some other serious opinions. say he will catch up by sunday, but so far i see enough reason to vote.

day 2 we had a basicly confirmed scum, so i voted streaker, since i believe its better to kill someone who is basicly confirmed scum, then to kill someone who you think is scum. Didnt post much cause i believed that streaker was scum, and even with the discussion about it still believed he was. the game stalled, its what happens when you get it handed on a silver platter, what else to discuss. i mean you can make all kind of assumptions but they are based on the hypothesis you so desperatly want to test (streaker being scum). BUT in the end the only one making waves is streaker with i am town dont lynch me, and no one believes it. better end it fast in a day or 5 then wait 2 weeks beating around the bush. with holiday season coming up and inactivity that comes with it cause of visiting friends and family i hoped we could hurry up a sure lynch a bit.

So i agree with endgame, or he agrees with me, that tim is just making filler-posts not taking stances etc. i think we should lynch him. to be honest i dont see better candidates.
mitch might be a candidate since he is on the wrong team all the time, voted benga, didnt believe ptlowe so didnt vote streaker but went for metsfanmax? problem with him is i never know if hes just a bad playing towny or scum. But for me a tim claim is the only thing i hope for now.

It is funny how you conveniently show up after someone says. My biggest scum read is Virus lol.

[Endgame422]

IB im pretty sure there are 2 shooters
2 deaths in opening scene
2 deaths N1(Town vig was blocked/killed)
1 death 1 save N2
Either scum have a doublekill of some kind,or there are multiple anti-town factions/players.
Multiple anti town factions detracts from pts towniness if it is the case,although for now im still regarding him as town.
Pt is who i visited again last night,since no kill was blocked N1 i figured pt was still bulletproof and not PGO yet.
Did you get another spyglass or something different pt?

[ptlowe]

IB im pretty sure there are 2 shooters
2 deaths in opening scene
2 deaths N1(Town vig was blocked/killed)
1 death 1 save N2
Either scum have a doublekill of some kind,or there are multiple anti-town factions/players.
Multiple anti town factions detracts from pts towniness if it is the case,although for now im still regarding him as town.
Pt is who i visited again last night,since no kill was blocked N1 i figured pt was still bulletproof and not PGO yet.
Did you get another spyglass or something different pt?

I got nothing from the mod no communication at all.

[Endgame422]

Hmm so something likely interfered,
We know there are RBrs(Dakky was blocked N1) and a busdriver/redirecter(several misdirections last night)
Did anyone get a gift last night?

[pancakemix]

Yeah point at the guy that got mafia lynched yesterday. I am what I say I am. I have one shot bullet proof and then become PGO.

How do we know you were informed of such stuff, just your word. Also, funny you rule our virus but you focus me when I am the only one that has gotten a mafia player killed.

I'm just saying "really really can't be killed" as a role is a little fishy. So is getting a one-shot spyglass. I wouldn't put it past Streaker to take a fall.

As far as my credibility is concerned, Streaker as much as admitted he tried to manipulate me N1. It doesn't make sense for him to manipulate one of his own teammates, so logically I have to end up in the not scum department.

[ptlowe]

Yeah point at the guy that got mafia lynched yesterday. I am what I say I am. I have one shot bullet proof and then become PGO.

How do we know you were informed of such stuff, just your word. Also, funny you rule our virus but you focus me when I am the only one that has gotten a mafia player killed.

I'm just saying "really really can't be killed" as a role is a little fishy. So is getting a one-shot spyglass. I wouldn't put it past Streaker to take a fall.

As far as my credibility is concerned, Streaker as much as admitted he tried to manipulate me N1. It doesn't make sense for him to manipulate one of his own teammates, so logically I have to end up in the not scum department.

Unless there are two factions then you could easily be scum. Your logic is failed.