[Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [8/14] D4:Twisted Pattern

[Iron Butterfly]

that is nice of you End just hope it does not come back and bite you richt in the ass

Probably will in all honesty but thats alright. If i hammer him and he flips town storr will push it on me anyway(even though its originally his case) and ill be lynched tomorrow. So i figure im damned either way might as well get the maximum info out of it.
And storr do i really have to explain its either him or me? Lynching me is a guaranteed miss while streaker is a roughly 1/3 shot at hitting scum so its a pretty simple choice from my perspective.
Also it will show if you are as great of a scumhunter as your acting, Or if you ve lead town to a mislynch.
Although if he flips scum ill note that you tried to save him last minute by swiching the vote to me so any towncred you may or may not have coming your way is tarnished.
Did anyone visit streaker? His day abilities may speak for/against his claim.

People do not get called scum day one for simply hammering someone. In fact more often then not it is a mislynch. No, people are suspected scum in the style that they hammer. No it is not either you or him. Yeh it sucks getting lynched BUT it is also a Team sport. Many times a Townie is lynched for the greater good of Town.

Your argument on hammering is extremely misleading if not out right wrong.

[StorrZerg]

unvote
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Don't know the vote count, just a precaution.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So Storr put together a reasonably long post to vote Streaker, not much in there but its D1.
DD515 ended up in an argument with Streaker and basically OMGUS voted.
IB voted Streaker on a bit of a whim then added a bit to stick with it
Hotshot added nothing
Mets gives no reason

Thats L-3 I think. So who is the 6th? And does nobody see anything really dodgy with the way votes are appearing from almost nothing? Hotshot specifically appears to just be trying to hide on the bandwagon.

[Marashu]

@Marashu can you consider voting someone else?

Absolutely. I've said before that I can see the case for Streaker but thought Mets was the better lynch. Willing to change my vote to Streaker. Was also willing to change my vote to End, but I wanted to hear specifically what IB and/or Tal had to say about that case.
FP'd by wing
@Wing I think one of the votes on Streaker is a vote that madmitch gave to Storr that he asked to put on Streaker. I am worried about how fast they're going on Streaker, which is why I thought that mets might be a better target.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

unvote
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Don't know the vote count, just a precaution.

WCmdrG (1) - mtamburini
Endgame (2) - Talapus, End
Mets (1) - Marashu
madmitch (1) - Streaker
Talapus (2) - WCmdrG, virus90
Streaker (4) - dd515, IB, hotshot53, Mets
virus90 (1) - madmitch

I believe the vote count to be this

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

EBWOP

Storr on End, not End himself.

Begs the question, who is End voting for?

[Metsfanmax]

Mets gives no reason

Well, in part I want to ensure that we lynch who Storr thinks we should lynch. But also, I do agree with his initial assessment that Streaker was rolefishing in a way that wasn't town-beneficial. I wouldn't normally want to vote on that alone, but Streaker and End are the only people I would consider voting for other than Storr, and Streaker was the top choice at the time I switched.

[dd515087]

DD515 ended up in an argument with Streaker and basically OMGUS voted.

I ended up in an argument because he OMGUS voted me after I called him one of my top scum reads. I was on Storr the whole time. That did not seem to be getting any traction so I changed my vote to my next read.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

In all the games I've played with Streaker I have determined him to be Scum D1. This time its no different. Doesnt mean much in terms of his alignment.

I dont like how people are accepting Tal's changed story when he didnt just get confused, he answered an explicit question in what he now claims to be an incorrect manner.

I dont like Hotshots hiding. He hasnt done much all D1.

I would rather vote for one of these two.

End is being stubborn, that means he is town. I know, I got him mislynched for this behavior, but apparently nothing has been learnt from that.

[Metsfanmax]

I dont like how people are accepting Tal's changed story when he didnt just get confused, he answered an explicit question in what he now claims to be an incorrect manner.

I am not accepting this. I just believe we're not going to be able to move on this issue on D1. But I fully intend to bring it up on D2.

[Endgame422]

In all the games I've played with Streaker I have determined him to be Scum D1. This time its no different. Doesnt mean much in terms of his alignment.

I dont like how people are accepting Tal's changed story when he didnt just get confused, he answered an explicit question in what he now claims to be an incorrect manner.

I dont like Hotshots hiding. He hasnt done much all D1.

I would rather vote for one of these two.

End is being stubborn, that means he is town. I know, I got him mislynched for this behavior, but apparently nothing has been learnt from that.

I dropped the original mitch thing and pushed pretty hard on tal for the same reasons you are suspecting him now. Although i admit tal technically didnt lie he was certainly not very clear about the issue and i have not forgotten it.
Case on streaker is a pretty standard D1 case(not much substance) but i dont see any other options really,as the deadline is(roughly)36 hours out.
Several people displeased with storr but not enough to do anything.
Only other case with much support is me.

[Iron Butterfly]

I dont like how people are accepting Tal's changed story when he didnt just get confused, he answered an explicit question in what he now claims to be an incorrect manner.

I am not accepting this. I just believe we're not going to be able to move on this issue on D1. But I fully intend to bring it up on D2.

Agreed.

Funny how all these "unexplored" cases and suspicions are rearing their heads as time wears down to deadline. We spent the day arguing over why Storr is Scum or Town.

For those who say there is little to no case on Streaker I say, "So what." At this stage of the day there will be nothing else to work with. I am going to get a bumper sticker that says, "Well it's day one. Deal with it." There was enough to make a small case, a day one case if you will. Not showing up so close to deadline is only sealing it for him.

[rishaed]

Vote Count:

WCmdrG (1) - mtamburini
Endgame (2) - Storr, Talapus
Mets (1) - Marashu
madmitch (1) - Streaker
Talapus (2) - WCmdrG, virus90
Streaker (4) - dd515, IB, Mets, hotshot53
virus90 (1) - madmitch

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 28.6.15.
Mod Note: Several of you need to cool it down. Specifically Mets/Storr. Right now it seems like you both are starting to provoke one another beyond normal parameters, so I'm going to ask both of you to put the brakes on it. Get a breather, cool down, and come back with a clear head. Do what you need to do to keep it civil.

[StorrZerg]

will do '
btw madmitch haven't switched your vote yet, will do tonight.

[Endgame422]

VOTE STREAKER
Id like his claim if he shows up and L-3 isnt really too likely to get him hammered early.

[Endgame422]

will do '
btw madmitch haven't switched your vote yet, will do tonight.

Why havent you switched it?
Im curious what you are waiting for.
He voted yesterday and your openly withholding his vote.

[StorrZerg]

to save time place my vote on streaker it seems like the best thing to do

Postby madmitch on Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:53 pm

Been on phone, isn't a priority to change it right away.
(as in, when i get to my computer, i will send the pm, how ever till then you can assume its been changed)


Interesting to note that it hasn't been since yesterday.

[mtamburini]

Nah I don't see him that bad, agree 100% on end, vote him?

What do you think of mars?

Havent read the entire thread just on page 12 now i think but something to look for wing and end have had this one of us is mafia always bs thing going on for a couple games Ive been speed skim reading looking for awkward language (talpus post on giving your vote away was one of those posts) If they havent given any read on eachother or talked to eachother to try and figure out eachothers allignment is outside of the meta, so if end flips as scum then wing should 100% be lynched.

If end turns up town then hopefully night actions will help us out.

[mtamburini]

vote end

[HotShot53]

The way everyone is piling on end and steaker starts to make me worried that they are both town and scum are laughing at us lol. But as of now, they still have seemed the most scummy to me, so don't know what to do except keep the pressure on them, with the day end so close now

[Endgame422]

Just ftr im thinking wing is town. It would have been easy to jump on one of the easier cases but wing has mostly played the skeptic.

[Marashu]

Just ftr im thinking wing is town. It would have been easy to jump on one of the easier cases but wing has mostly played the skeptic.

Wing likes to cause confusion D1 though, especially as mafia. Him playing Dark One's advocate really isn't that towny to me.

Unvote - I still think Mets is our best vote, but right now I would be willing to vote Streaker or Tal. I could probably be talked into End, but most of my reads on him right now aren't alignment indicative.

[Endgame422]

Wing likes to cause confusion D1 though, especially as mafia. Him playing Dark One's advocate really isn't that towny to me.

Unvote - I still think Mets is our best vote, but right now I would be willing to vote Streaker or Tal. I could probably be talked into End, but most of my reads on him right now aren't alignment indicative.

True enough about wing. But he is still safe for today thats for sure.
Why mets?
And have i been a bit long toothed and given something away?

[Streaker]

Low on time, want to get at least my claim out before you decide to lynch.

I am Master Luhhan, town roleblocker.
I can visit someone during the day, but failed to do so within the deadline of 48 hours from day start. Would have visited Storr though.

If you guys are still not lynching mitch, it's bad. He traded away his vote and has done nothing since. Storr's pushing of him is not working either.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Unvote Vote Streaker