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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:10 pm

crasp wrote:@ storr. You accused me of being scum and putting in no input. I have now told you why and gave you my reads. You just going to ignore it.


no i missed it. and if you note, my reaction was scum. after revaluation, it was you are less town than you had been playing earlier in the day.


There was also things said before this but since MT has basically done nothing. Yes he has put the odd abusive post in but nothing like the Mt we all know and hate. It looks to me like he is trying to stop Storr from getting a read on him. Either he is scum or he is suspicious of Storr.
Storr is really difficult to get a read on but in the gamesI have been in where he is scum he leads from the front and tries to pull a couple of gullible townies in with him who he sets up then dissappears, usually without the townie realising what he has done, and yes that gullible townie would be me.Thats the game he seems to be playing here. That i must be scum post is an attempt to get an over the top reaction out of me , something I am known for and both of them are good at provoking it. Like I say this might get me lynched or even killed and that would be a blow to town but if I was looking anywhere it would be between these two.
There was also the move way back when Mt wanted to pressure me but Storr wouldnt play and Mt just dropped it. Thats not how Mt plays and storr just let it go.


i don't think its mtamb suspicious of me, since he all ready claimed he had a very strong town read on me, and continued in his recent post to put me on his no lynch list.
I would agree though, something is off about him. i do expect more from him, and his activity has been pretty lacking.
@crasp, when have i disappeared to let the town go in a destructive nature? can you be more specific in what you think i'm doing, and what you think i would be doing differently as town?

I understand the paranoia thats been built up over the previous games. I would consider you someone that i read decently, granted i think every game we have both been town, i've read you correctly as town.

fyi your not going to be lynched today crasp. my initial reaction to you was off my own misread of your post. Also the last part, i assumed mtamb dropped it because i explained my town read. (and his lack of pressure, was in agreement).
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby dd515087 on Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:14 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
Zivel wrote:
Thirdly I think the AoG wagon has merit.

Army of GOD wrote:
I'm gonna invite because right now out of the 3 lover pairs, ultra and virus seem the least possible for scum. Ultra was willing to lynch himself and virus' ability to save ultra doesn't make sense if he was scum.



This is crap post and sounds real scummy to me. I am not sure, but I think there is some connection between Ultra and AoG and I am not sure what it is. I am happy to lynch AoG

Unvote. Vote: Army of God


Did you read my most recent post?

If people are gonna vote to lunch me, I'd like for them to point out flaws in my argument other than "something smells fishy".

Have you read any of my comments on you or not? Yes I have said your posts sound fishy, but I've backed it up with reasons.

Army of GOD wrote:Also, your post is kind of OMGUS. You didn't quote the part where I said we should lynch either you or dd.

The way I see it, I would guess there's a 90% chance that one of the other two pairs have at least one scum in them. I know this is a farcry from my earlier vote for a no kymch, but we have a 50/50 shot at lynching scum (along with a townie probably) if we end up lynching either zivel or dd.

OMGUS... He didn't quote it because it is completely irrelevant. There is absolutely 0% chance that one of the pairs have one scum in them, it has been confirmed by the mod that lovers are the same alignment <------ read this part because you seem to have missed every other time it has been said. Maybe you think that doesn't mean both are goodies or baddies, but if that is so than please let me know why you think that.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Zivel on Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:28 pm

dd515087 wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
Zivel wrote:
Thirdly I think the AoG wagon has merit.

Army of GOD wrote:
I'm gonna invite because right now out of the 3 lover pairs, ultra and virus seem the least possible for scum. Ultra was willing to lynch himself and virus' ability to save ultra doesn't make sense if he was scum.



This is crap post and sounds real scummy to me. I am not sure, but I think there is some connection between Ultra and AoG and I am not sure what it is. I am happy to lynch AoG

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Did you read my most recent post?

If people are gonna vote to lunch me, I'd like for them to point out flaws in my argument other than "something smells fishy".

Have you read any of my comments on you or not? Yes I have said your posts sound fishy, but I've backed it up with reasons.

Army of GOD wrote:Also, your post is kind of OMGUS. You didn't quote the part where I said we should lynch either you or dd.

The way I see it, I would guess there's a 90% chance that one of the other two pairs have at least one scum in them. I know this is a farcry from my earlier vote for a no kymch, but we have a 50/50 shot at lynching scum (along with a townie probably) if we end up lynching either zivel or dd.

OMGUS... He didn't quote it because it is completely irrelevant. There is absolutely 0% chance that one of the pairs have one scum in them, it has been confirmed by the mod that lovers are the same alignment <------ read this part because you seem to have missed every other time it has been said. Maybe you think that doesn't mean both are goodies or baddies, but if that is so than please let me know why you think that.


Reckon he is purposely trying to divert out attention away from something or is he just missing the point?
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:38 pm

@pcm

So as long as I parrot with regard to something only slightly different that makes it okay? Got it. Thanks.

thats not what i said. and you know it. dd5 made comments about a new post you made. With similar conclusion I gave about your play style. So, his play can be either viewed as scummy sheeping, or he is town, and he is coming to the same conclusion. You, are not parroting anyone imo. You are reading things fresh for the first time, how ever your conclusion and discussion lacks the logical progression imo, since you miss key points.
Seriously, this argument from you is not at all consistent. I'm not even sure what your beef is. Do I have to say "Oh, I guess what said what I was thinking already"? Or "I had something about this but someone already said it so I deleted it"?

including what someone else said helps, you agreeing with them or not helps. Again my issue is you missed things that got said, then formed incorrect opinions about the information you had. Which is either, you not paying close enough attention to whats going on. as a town, or skimming as a scum and trying to make it seem like you are contributing. (i am leaning on the latter)

The thing is, I'm not missing important info. You haven't given a specific example of something I "missed", and even when you did I've rebutted it with something that could be gleaned from a simple inference. For instance, since you're gonna harp on me for "not looking at the end of your post", you couched it after what basically amounts to "K I'm done" (underhanded), gave me 1 post to do it (dickish), and when I did respond, I noted it would probably have been ultra anyway (already responded to). You're awful desperate to try and get me killed. Meanwhile, when we have this lovers conundrum, and all you want to talk about is... something else. Anything else. Someone please talk about something else:


so you just admit when i point out something you missed, you rebutted it....
No i didn't give you 1 post to do it, i asked about it, which your response was "o you asked me" Why did i ask? because it felt like you didn't read it.
Your absolutely right i want to talk about something else since lovers is nearly done for discussion. Either virus is lynched out of virus/ultra or we find someone else. Hence, why im looking else where. virus/ultra are most likely going to bury themselves since they are hardly bothering to scum hunt this day. So excuse me for trying to get the most out of this day.

Here is what you missed
I think you're the scum and you're totes bussing your townie lover. Which becomes a strange conundrum. Actually, his entire power makes no sense. Are you lovers or not? Because him saving you would make you die anyway, the way you tell it.

my response
can you explain pcm how they could be different alignments, when they are certain they are the same alignment? (yes claims had included knowing they are the same alignment at this point)

This is the thing im fixated on that you missed.

Now we move onto my "post that is off topic, and cutting off important conversation about the lovers"
That's all he says about mtam in this post. How useful. He follows that up with some not really useful conversation about his and Nark's playing history and calls Nark's inflated game count with him scummy. Maybe he was just confused? Doesn't that sound pretty reasonable? Or rather, does this actually sound like something worth discussing? Or getting Nark to respond to?


SO do you disagree that tambo has been playing weak? Do you think he has been a strong townie? I make a comment, you could give input on it besides "how useful" and nark being confused might be reasonable, he didn't respond and has yet to post since he came back and said he would. Is that not worth mentioning?

So when i call out TFO on his lack of posting, when he said he would. That's "useless ?" Is keeping track of people who say they will do something wrong?
1. Real life is apparently not a thing in Storr world

Its mafia, so yes i really don't care about whats going on in RL. hey if your busy, thats fine, really busy? so much so that you can't post in 4 days? then get replaced. But when you say you will do something then don't, I'm going to remind you that you claimed you would do something. Maybe tfo forgot, maybe he got distracted I don't know. I don't want him lost and not posting since no one bothers to to remember about him. Its like when i claimed a read, and would explain it latter. I had people making sure i would explain it.

2. Please, for the love of god, DO NOT talk about the lovers

And whats so wrong about having him comment about something else? What if he brings up something different we hadn't thought of. Talks about why he thinks "john" is town, or why he thinks "steve" is mafia.

Why does he want to stifle this conversation? It's the main line of argument so far, and there's a lot to sort through. He then proceeds to talk about it, almost like he realized too late that he had made an entirely useless post.

It wasn't stiffing conversation, Virus/ultra hadn't been around at that point. So getting other things going is helpful. They hadn't responded yet to questions. I saw no need to overload them, and instead of "waiting" we could be talking about other things. Everything you are picking at isn't scummy, its being productive.

Storr, I'm pushing someone. You happy?

it does make me happier you are showing some color in this game. Honestly before this point, you felt to distant in this game.

regarding strike wolfs comment. maybe he is right about how i have been looking at your posts. I'm not infallible. hence why i'm interested in what zivel has to say about you. (and yes, i'm taking what strike wolf has said into consideration) As you very well know, its sometimes hard to stop tunneling when you think you have a bone.

I get the feeling that AoG seems to thing Zivel and DD are a pair. That doesn't reflect well on him.

i can agree with this. Specially since, zivel has claimed to be active in his qt, and DD has claimed he can't use his qt yet.

While I'm here and thinking about it, after today, my schedule goes to hell (more than now, even) til like the 17th. I'll be able to post and stuff, but if I fall off the earth, you know why.


thanks for the update. this recent string of back and forth is a bit more reassuring... feels a lot like last game.

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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Zivel on Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:55 pm

StorrZerg wrote:
@zivel care to comment?


A quick one as I am on my phone but recently I feel better about PCM. Not sure why he think AoG thinks me and dd are partners though. Pretty sure he understands we bith have our own partners.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:57 pm

Zivel wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
the point I'm poorly making is that if ultra and virus were both scum, it would be a horrifically bad play to come out as lovers. I just feel as if zivel and dd are protecting their lovers' identities because they know that lovers are same alignment and they don't want to screw their other half over.


also the fact that ultra/virus got counter claimed means nothing to me. zivel and dd could've just done it thinking "oh, I am scum but I am a lover pair also, maybe I can convince the town I am non-scum by counter claiming".


It would of been bad play if they got couterclaimed. Otherwise it would be a great claim cause if believed then he could save his scum buddy to. The problem is I counterclaimed him and now his claim is not so squeaky clean.

You not seeing this, or arguing against it makes no sense. I couterclaimed because he called out something that I did not think there would be two sets of lovers in a game. The problem was when dd claimed as well.

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Virus came out as ultra's lover AFTER you and dd both claimed lover so that doesn't make any sense. Virus willingly threw his name out there.

And even because you counterclaimed him, it doesn't mean squat. Scum could very easily " claim" lover while not being so. Hell, I could claim lover right now and no one would know (not actually claiming, just making a point).

Virus put his name out there when he KNEW there was a ton of pressure on ultra. That's an extremely stupid play if he's scum and I don't think anyone is that stupid.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:07 pm

dd515087 wrote:Have you read any of my comments on you or not? Yes I have said your posts sound fishy, but I've backed it up with reasons.


I was talking about the other votes on me.

Army of GOD wrote:Also, your post is kind of OMGUS. You didn't quote the part where I said we should lynch either you or dd.

The way I see it, I would guess there's a 90% chance that one of the other two pairs have at least one scum in them. I know this is a farcry from my earlier vote for a no kymch, but we have a 50/50 shot at lynching scum (along with a townie probably) if we end up lynching either zivel or dd.

OMGUS... He didn't quote it because it is completely irrelevant. There is absolutely 0% chance that one of the pairs have one scum in them, it has been confirmed by the mod that lovers are the same alignment <------ read this part because you seem to have missed every other time it has been said. Maybe you think that doesn't mean both are goodies or baddies, but if that is so than please let me know why you think that.[/quote]

I admit that I messed up the one of two lovers could be scum part, but my point of lynching either you or zivel still stands.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:12 pm

Also I definitely don't think Zivel and dd are lovers. Not sure where you're getting that from PCM...god it seems like no one read this post (other than dd): viewtopic.php?f=213&t=208245&start=450#p4580526


I don't see how that can possibly make it seem like I think they're lovers...
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:14 pm

FUCKK

sorry for quad post but number 4 in that post should be:

4. Lynch dd - dd dies, reveals scum, ????? is scum too/dd dies, reveals town, ????? is town too


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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:14 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
dd515087 wrote:Have you read any of my comments on you or not? Yes I have said your posts sound fishy, but I've backed it up with reasons.


I was talking about the other votes on me.

Army of GOD wrote:Also, your post is kind of OMGUS. You didn't quote the part where I said we should lynch either you or dd.

The way I see it, I would guess there's a 90% chance that one of the other two pairs have at least one scum in them. I know this is a farcry from my earlier vote for a no kymch, but we have a 50/50 shot at lynching scum (along with a townie probably) if we end up lynching either zivel or dd.

OMGUS... He didn't quote it because it is completely irrelevant. There is absolutely 0% chance that one of the pairs have one scum in them, it has been confirmed by the mod that lovers are the same alignment <------ read this part because you seem to have missed every other time it has been said. Maybe you think that doesn't mean both are goodies or baddies, but if that is so than please let me know why you think that.


I admit that I messed up the one of two lovers could be scum part, but my point of lynching either you or zivel still stands.[/quote]

I made a case as to why i thought zivel is town. care to comment about it?
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby dd515087 on Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:22 pm

Army of GOD wrote:I admit that I messed up the one of two lovers could be scum part, but my point of lynching either you or zivel still stands.

Can you explain why? Zivel seems very townie to me and I know that I'm town
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby dd515087 on Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:24 pm

Army of GOD wrote:FUCKK

sorry for quad post but number 4 in that post should be:

4. Lynch dd - dd dies, reveals scum, ????? is scum too/dd dies, reveals town, ????? is town too


Shit happens when you copy paste

Also in regards to this post you literally just listed the options. Yes in this game you can either be town or scum (unless there is an indy, which we don't know)
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby rishaed on Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:31 pm

I'll get an updated VC out soon.
NOTE: Nark has requested replacement, thus I am going to remove all votes until I either find one or am forced to MK (</3).
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:31 pm

If you're talking about this one:

StorrZerg wrote:Why is zivel most likely town, and even if 3rd party, his win conditions are likely the same as towns.

His style of play compared to the 2 other lover claims. He is active, he is scum hunting. He is giving reads, and proactive. I think this means he's experienced and knows how to deflect unwanted attention away.

His counter claim was very townie. A mafia cc wouldn't make much sense, if ultra was lynched and flipped town, he is gunned next. Not a good trade of 2 for 2. OK, good point, but at the time of his counter claim he knew that his lover wouldn't have been killed with him I think (could be wrong) so it wouldve been 1 for 1

His counter claim also includes information that he had an additional power and his partner has one as well.
not sure how this points to town...

Claiming his qt is active. More than likely it's discussion on the game, trying to figure things out which lines up with how he is playing. This is something hard to do as 2 mafia, being active on both fronts, not to mention again, being ok to cc ultra.
what? Just because he claims his qt is active doesn't mean it is or has to be. Hell he not have a qt at all...

His discussion isn't limited, he is open to new paths. He isn't tunneling on ultra, his follow up on pcm is good to.
again, I think this means he's experienced, not town. Someone who's town and not very experienced could make the mistakes that you think Zivel is doing well. Like me right now...

He read pcm as mafia, revaluation of pcm. Wasn't quite sure, asked pcm a question after. Imo this is a townie trait of zivel. He is still trying to figure out pcm, hence the question which was more of a prompt to get pcm to add discussion on the subject.see above. This means he's experienced


I never had a strong scum read on Zivel, I just don't think ultra and virus are scum. I could be wrong though and if they do get lynched and flip scum, well, I'm next (assuming I survive D1).
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby rishaed on Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:36 pm

Vote Count:

Streaker (1) - Virus90
Virus90 (3) - Hotshot53, Storrzerg, dd515087
Storrzerg (1) - Pancakemix
Ultrasplot (2) - Streaker, Whatsausage
ArmyofGod (2) - mtamburini, Zivel
Anarkistsdream (1) - Strikewolf

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is Nov. 8th.
Reminder that the person with the most lynch at end of day will be lynched.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby mtamburini on Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:38 pm

There was also things said before this but since MT has basically done nothing. Yes he has put the odd abusive post in but nothing like the Mt we all know and hate. It looks to me like he is trying to stop Storr from getting a read on him. Either he is scum or he is suspicious of Storr.
Storr is really difficult to get a read on but in the gamesI have been in where he is scum he leads from the front and tries to pull a couple of gullible townies in with him who he sets up then dissappears, usually without the townie realising what he has done, and yes that gullible townie would be me.Thats the game he seems to be playing here. That i must be scum post is an attempt to get an over the top reaction out of me , something I am known for and both of them are good at provoking it. Like I say this might get me lynched or even killed and that would be a blow to town but if I was looking anywhere it would be between these two.
There was also the move way back when Mt wanted to pressure me but Storr wouldnt play and Mt just dropped it. Thats not how Mt plays and storr just let it go.


Did crasp post this storr?

If so I think he is town.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:58 pm

Army of GOD wrote:If you're talking about this one:

StorrZerg wrote:Why is zivel most likely town, and even if 3rd party, his win conditions are likely the same as towns.

His style of play compared to the 2 other lover claims. He is active, he is scum hunting. He is giving reads, and proactive. I think this means he's experienced and knows how to deflect unwanted attention away.

His counter claim was very townie. A mafia cc wouldn't make much sense, if ultra was lynched and flipped town, he is gunned next. Not a good trade of 2 for 2. OK, good point, but at the time of his counter claim he knew that his lover wouldn't have been killed with him I think (could be wrong) so it wouldve been 1 for 1

His counter claim also includes information that he had an additional power and his partner has one as well.
not sure how this points to town...

Claiming his qt is active. More than likely it's discussion on the game, trying to figure things out which lines up with how he is playing. This is something hard to do as 2 mafia, being active on both fronts, not to mention again, being ok to cc ultra.
what? Just because he claims his qt is active doesn't mean it is or has to be. Hell he not have a qt at all...

His discussion isn't limited, he is open to new paths. He isn't tunneling on ultra, his follow up on pcm is good to.
again, I think this means he's experienced, not town. Someone who's town and not very experienced could make the mistakes that you think Zivel is doing well. Like me right now...

He read pcm as mafia, revaluation of pcm. Wasn't quite sure, asked pcm a question after. Imo this is a townie trait of zivel. He is still trying to figure out pcm, hence the question which was more of a prompt to get pcm to add discussion on the subject.see above. This means he's experienced


I never had a strong scum read on Zivel, I just don't think ultra and virus are scum. I could be wrong though and if they do get lynched and flip scum, well, I'm next (assuming I survive D1).



Its not that he is experienced. If he is 3rd party with separate win con. He probably wouldn't be exposing himself this much. And a mafia counter claim on a lover is just kinda silly, its a 2 for 1 trade, and with ultra "not anything" (which i don't believe) and virus who can sac himself to save ultra, i doubt thats something worth trading. 2v1. (its actually pretty fucking terrible trade for mafia)

The reason its town of him to include more information in his claim, is also for what happened next. A 3rd claim of lover, AND that person has powers too. Its possible zivel as mafia, if he just claimed lover, could have been caught in a lie if all others admitted to having powers and he didn't (or vise verse) Its much harder to predict what will happen as a mafia in these situations.

Your right, about the qt stuff. But the thing is, it can be verified latter. He is forthcoming with information about his qt, that can be checked. (well more like tested) add this up with his claim earlier with "both of us have powers" is the right train of information being put forth by a real claim.

Zivels discussion, is pointing towards town and not towards mafia. imo its difficult to fake logical progression as a townie in a game. Mafia all ready know the alignments of people, thus its difficult for them to change stances on someone because of logic. While a townie, is discovering something for the first time, thus when explained it can be very easy to follow someones progression in their reads.

Also you can't keep trumping up everything to being "experienced" at some point you need to take a stance on what he is doing, and decide if he is town or scum. Simplifying 3 sets of lovers, and saying 1 group is town, thus idc who we hit out of zivel / dd5 is a cop out when you don't even bother trying to read zivel or dd5.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:59 pm

mtamburini wrote:
There was also things said before this but since MT has basically done nothing. Yes he has put the odd abusive post in but nothing like the Mt we all know and hate. It looks to me like he is trying to stop Storr from getting a read on him. Either he is scum or he is suspicious of Storr.
Storr is really difficult to get a read on but in the gamesI have been in where he is scum he leads from the front and tries to pull a couple of gullible townies in with him who he sets up then dissappears, usually without the townie realising what he has done, and yes that gullible townie would be me.Thats the game he seems to be playing here. That i must be scum post is an attempt to get an over the top reaction out of me , something I am known for and both of them are good at provoking it. Like I say this might get me lynched or even killed and that would be a blow to town but if I was looking anywhere it would be between these two.
There was also the move way back when Mt wanted to pressure me but Storr wouldnt play and Mt just dropped it. Thats not how Mt plays and storr just let it go.


Did crasp post this storr?

If so I think he is town.


yes.. and can you stop skimming this game and play it...
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby HotShot53 on Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:06 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
Zivel wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
the point I'm poorly making is that if ultra and virus were both scum, it would be a horrifically bad play to come out as lovers. I just feel as if zivel and dd are protecting their lovers' identities because they know that lovers are same alignment and they don't want to screw their other half over.


also the fact that ultra/virus got counter claimed means nothing to me. zivel and dd could've just done it thinking "oh, I am scum but I am a lover pair also, maybe I can convince the town I am non-scum by counter claiming".


It would of been bad play if they got couterclaimed. Otherwise it would be a great claim cause if believed then he could save his scum buddy to. The problem is I counterclaimed him and now his claim is not so squeaky clean.

You not seeing this, or arguing against it makes no sense. I couterclaimed because he called out something that I did not think there would be two sets of lovers in a game. The problem was when dd claimed as well.

FP by strike


Virus came out as ultra's lover AFTER you and dd both claimed lover so that doesn't make any sense. Virus willingly threw his name out there.

And even because you counterclaimed him, it doesn't mean squat. Scum could very easily " claim" lover while not being so. Hell, I could claim lover right now and no one would know (not actually claiming, just making a point).

Virus put his name out there when he KNEW there was a ton of pressure on ultra. That's an extremely stupid play if he's scum and I don't think anyone is that stupid.


Since apparently if ultra gets lynched, virus will die anyway... then it is not a bad play for virus to come out and try to give support to ultra to try to save himself. The only way it wouldn't make sense is if they were not actually lovers.

aage wrote:
UltrasPlot wrote:Unlynch Ultra

Why are you guys all so cynical? I have no (at least, any that I know of) ability, including after virus dies...

Then.... WTF was that "you'll lose more than a vote' CRAP? Even if Virus used his ability we would still not lose more than a vote!

Damn Ultra, you are so totally scum... my hands are honestly itching to put that vote back... but Tamb speaks truthfully, odds are one of them dies which will give us all the information we need.

@ pcm discussion
I actually like pcm reacting to things that have moved along already. It's never bad to hear input and it's better than not responding to important events at all. His half-way analysis of situations helps read him. And now that he's voted Storr I am reading more and more town because I have had no tangible read on Storr all game.


I agree with aage here... ultra tried to make himself seem so important... and now basically it turns out that if we lynch him, and he's telling the truth, we basically are only lynching a vanilla towny. I still think that ultra and virus are scum, but to be on the safer side, I would prefer to lynch ultra and see what happens... best case scenario, we get scum, worst case scenario virus dies (basically a vanilla other than the 1-person bodyguard), and ultra is confirmed town. I would prefer that risk than the possible kill 2 scum (or 1 scum if they are lying and not actually lovers), or kill 2 townies if we are wrong. At least with the ultra lynch, worst case scenario we have a confirmed town and only 1 town dead. So for that reason I will unvote, vote ultra
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby HotShot53 on Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:08 pm

StorrZerg wrote:
mtamburini wrote:
There was also things said before this but since MT has basically done nothing. Yes he has put the odd abusive post in but nothing like the Mt we all know and hate. It looks to me like he is trying to stop Storr from getting a read on him. Either he is scum or he is suspicious of Storr.
Storr is really difficult to get a read on but in the gamesI have been in where he is scum he leads from the front and tries to pull a couple of gullible townies in with him who he sets up then dissappears, usually without the townie realising what he has done, and yes that gullible townie would be me.Thats the game he seems to be playing here. That i must be scum post is an attempt to get an over the top reaction out of me , something I am known for and both of them are good at provoking it. Like I say this might get me lynched or even killed and that would be a blow to town but if I was looking anywhere it would be between these two.
There was also the move way back when Mt wanted to pressure me but Storr wouldnt play and Mt just dropped it. Thats not how Mt plays and storr just let it go.


Did crasp post this storr?

If so I think he is town.


yes.. and can you stop skimming this game and play it...


I've been wondering where mtam has been also... he's not been himself at all. I have no idea what to make of his town read on crasp for pointing out that he's been absent though... that is just a weird post.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:36 pm

hotshot quote
I agree with aage here... ultra tried to make himself seem so important... and now basically it turns out that if we lynch him, and he's telling the truth, we basically are only lynching a vanilla towny. I still think that ultra and virus are scum, but to be on the safer side, I would prefer to lynch ultra and see what happens... best case scenario, we get scum, worst case scenario virus dies (basically a vanilla other than the 1-person bodyguard), and ultra is confirmed town. I would prefer that risk than the possible kill 2 scum (or 1 scum if they are lying and not actually lovers), or kill 2 townies if we are wrong. At least with the ultra lynch, worst case scenario we have a confirmed town and only 1 town dead. So for that reason I will unvote, vote ultra


and what if lynching ultra, is part of his wincon / gains special abilities when virus dies for him?

ALL lovers have claimed roles at this point. seems highly inconsistent that he "doesn't" couple that with him wanting to die to prove a point, sacking a "townie"
i 100% disagree with lynching ultra over virus. Secondly, what are you going to do knowing ultra would be "confirmed town" if we lynch him and virus protects him?

I just don't see the value of the maybe situation, out weighed by the uncertainty of what ultra is since imo he is hiding something.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Zivel on Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:03 pm

StorrZerg wrote:
i 100% disagree with lynching ultra over virus. Secondly, what are you going to do knowing ultra would be "confirmed town" if we lynch him and virus protects him?


Why? Is it just because he might have a win condition to get lynched? Seems a big assumption to risk two townies lives on. Come join me on mtams wagon on AoG and let the scum take care of the lovers for us? AoGs play has been sketchy at best and down right scummy at worst indicating all types of ulterior motives.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Zivel on Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:05 pm

I got a tin foil hat idea about mtam to. What if he is scum and watching his team mates f*ck it all up royally he has rage quit? Does mtam rage quit?
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:06 pm

nah he doesn't
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby UltrasPlot on Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:08 pm

Then.... WTF was that "you'll lose more than a vote' CRAP? Even if Virus used his ability we would still not lose more than a vote!


Virus had not revealed his role to me at the time.

About Storr and mtam, they may both be town but they CERTAINLY cannot both be scum.
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