The Big Lebowski Mafia - Mafia and Lyncher win!

[Iliad]

Mass claim, huh?

Firstly: I'm pancake's mason partner and the other Lebowski.

Secondly I am NOT town and win if the Dude is lynched, even if that means endgame.

There are 3 mafias, of which one is a town traitor, and me making 4 votes making a lynch.

Town: You're in a pretty shit position and need to hit only mafia from now on. Me dead is one just one closer to endgame for mafia.

Mafia: Despite your LYLO position your cover is still fairly blown, as haggis prepared to rat you out. I am proposing we lynch the Dude
Here unvote vote anark

You have now enough votes to speedlynch and win right now, and there isn't a thing that town can do.

[Fircoal]

My playstyle?

For instance.

You never said anything when AD declared me scum untill it was clear what the outcome would be, you then post:

As a note spiesr hasn't responded to my prod - at this stage I think it may be beneficial for me to start looking for a replacement.

Fircoal always online.....prod his lazy ass too and get him in here......lol.

Came in on my own. Vote: Speisr I think it's clear that he's either scum or HAggis is lying.

You're one of the more cautious players, I've seen you more often defending players than accusing them, yet here you just seem to be happy to get the lynch on spiesr.
It was basically just my word against AD's investigation that spiesr was guilty. spiesr wasn't even active, yet you just largely avoid the going ons and surface to help lynch a guy before he got a chance to speak.

That's very un-chu like of you, unless of course, you were just happy to get another mislynch and get the town to LYLO.

I didn't say anything before that because in my normal fashion I hadn't been reading the thread. x3

You do have a point there though. It does seem un-me like. However I do trust in the word of the cop, I'm not sure why I trusted in the word of you. Of course hindsight is 20/20 we really shouldn't have lynched Spiesr like that, and shold have had him defended but I didn't think of the number of town alive when I casted my vote.

[Anarkistsdream]

And FINALLY Iliad decides to post in one of the games he is in.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Well, ain't this the development.

Iliad's proposal seems pretty solid. I don't like the fact that it involves revealing all the scum, but with the governor dead it seems unlikely that would be a problem.

Still, I'd hate for it to be some kind of trick, I'm going to mull it over a bit.

In the meantime, if town wants any chance of winning, I suggest you start voting chu.

[Talapus]

Well, ain't this the development.

Iliad's proposal seems pretty solid. I don't like the fact that it involves revealing all the scum, but with the governor dead it seems unlikely that would be a problem.

Still, I'd hate for it to be some kind of trick, I'm going to mull it over a bit.

In the meantime, if town wants any chance of winning, I suggest you start voting chu.

It's sad though because it's true. We've hit the stage in this game that with so many mafia left. The last of us townies are screwed. Looking back I can't see a ton we could have done to prevent this situation honestly. But it looks like Haggis you want to mull it over in case your unnamed scum partner gets in here and votes for anark. Right? I can't think you wouldn't be able to name them though unless it was epcific in your PM. But I guess this option allows you to not sell them out.

[Anarkistsdream]

Well either you guys need to vote me or you need to come up with something else...

As far as it goes, Tailgunner is the only other trustworthy town member besides me, so it would certainly seem as if my lynch is definite.

[VioIet]

Small post. Okay, I am currentely all caught up with the game. Just pointing out some things that I noticed.

I was roleblocked last night, so I have nothing to offer.

Vote: Haggis...

Fircoal, you were the one I investigated... I think you are a nihilist, so you may wish to claim soon, yourself.

If we are this close to end game, then everyone should agree that now is the time to claim.

Well I'm Bunny Lebowski and I'm a roleblocker. Last night I tried to roleblock Haggis. I'm nawt sure if it got sent in as it was 6 hours after the supposed deadline. If it did go it is possible that the bus driver goes first but if I remember correctly what Naggy thought about me doing that in an rt mafia it seems unlikely. So I shrug.

How would he make Bunny a town player? She fakes her own kidnapping and all her friends are nihilists. Also, an avid porn star that will to suck someone off for cash so obviously has no morals. I really don't see that as a town role in the slightest. The fact the AD got blocked and you claim roleblocker also really doesn't look good.

It takes just a few to lynch so I'll withhold my vote for the moment in hopes more peeps will come in and weigh in on this Bunny claim of Fircoal's.

Well I know nothing about Lebowski or who Bunny even is. But nobody rebutted Tal's reasoning here, so I suppose he has a good point.

So I claim something that doesn't even make sense in hopes that it won't backfire on me? I'm sure I could do better if I were scum. Like seriously how does this work:

Obvious Town: I GOT BLOCKED!
Person A: I'M A ROLEBLOCKER AND I BLOCKED THE PERSON WITH SUPPOSED BUS DRIVING POWERS!

If you notice if this is true there is very little ways both of these statements can coexist unless there is another bus driver or roleblocker. I don't see any reason why as scum I'd say this. The only reason would be if I'm town.

I am actually quite sure that there probably is two bus driver's and a roleblocker. In naggy's games, he usually always has one on town's side and one on mafia's side. You do this as well in your games Fir, so you should have known this as a possibility.

She fakes her own kidnapping and all her friends are nihilists.

She never kidnapped herself. She left to visit a friend. The nihilists just happened to know she was leaving. Technically, her only crime is owing money to known pornographers.

-Tails

Well that is certainly shocking. Again its information that I don't really know, due to knowing absolutely nothing about the theme.

This is the only reason AD is still alive, i was trying to keep my options open. Turns out it bit be in the ass though.(why the hell did you investigate me man? thought I played it cool ... )

For some reason, i don't believe this.

So, Fircoal, you honestly think there is another role-blocker in this game besides you???

That or an actual bus driver. I mean really a mafia roleblocker and a town roleblocker being in the same game as been seen many times, it wouldn't be a stretch or a surprise, or really anything but "seen it."

QFT

My problem is I don't want Haggis to win... He lied about Spiesr and cost us a good player- though he hadn't been around AT ALL.

Lying to the town and then being a turncoat does not give me "Let's help him out" vibes.

I totally understand that. I hate giving the win to other factions as well. But you're at LYLO and have must catch 3 scum in a row to win. Better to share the win than to share the lose, wight?

Disclaimer: it's 3:30 AM here and I'm comnpletetely hammered, hope this makes sense.

i agree with Haggis that its better to share the win, but somehow i still don't trust him here.

I think Talapus is one of the remaining 3 scum:

Not quite sure what you are asking. You answer my question as I wondered if it was possible your investigation was messed with. Haggis gave what I think is a very plausible explanation and you bought it to as you voted for Spiesr. So I'm kinda confused . But the vote for spiesr right now I have no problem with as he is absent and needs pressure to come in and talk.

You mentioned a busdriver. As I assume you've investigated people before tonight and have gotten reads on them and have dead characters to compare them too. Is there any reason you think a busdriver exists. I agree with marty probably being one as it would make sense, but you seemed t come right out of no where and suggest it. So that makes me think you've had doubts or tampered reads before otherwise why mention it like that? So, where exactly did that revalation come from man?

Backs Haggis' fakeclaim when it was most expedient to do so, at the lynch of an inactive townie.

Vote: Spiesr

Simple really, he turns up scum then then we have an outed busdriver who can assist us in the game. As for Illiad and Vioiet, where are you?

You each posted over 12 days ago about how you were going to get caught up and haven't posted jack since. I could have watched The Big Lebowski over 2 dozen times in those many days so no it can't be because it's not enough time to be caught up on everything. Come and join us.

Fircoal and Tailgunner, same goes for you........come talk to the rest of us. We're being raped by mafia and the fact that some of you are scummarining makes it tough to figure out which ones are scum.

Then votes for spiesr, only after Nark did, which I read as him trying to be careful and not too closely associate with Haggis. He's also imploring chu and myself to help out while claiming that mafia is raping us, some good ol' fashioned crocodile tears.

How would he make Bunny a town player? She fakes her own kidnapping and all her friends are nihilists. Also, an avid porn star that will to suck someone off for cash so obviously has no morals. I really don't see that as a town role in the slightest. The fact the AD got blocked and you claim roleblocker also really doesn't look good.

He also tries to defame chu's claim by playing the flavor spec here, denouncing Bunny's character. This would be an excellent maneuver if he happened to know that Bunny is town and he thought he could get away with painting Bunny (that fucking strumpet) as anti-town because of her moral ambiguity.

Not to mention the earlier suspicion we all had of flores, and how he squirmed his way out of that:

See that's just it. I have no idea why she acted the way she did. I got the same role and don't see anything that would make me want to or even be able to rationalize the way she acted. It's a pretty Vanilla role in fact. So the thing I can think of is that honestly her head just wasn't in the game as she was in and out sporadically and not able to give it the attention it needed. Maybe just bad play in general as she didn't really have the time.

This is exactly what I would say if I had replaced scum.

So, right now we've got:

Haggis--admitted scum with other win condition.
Talapus-- whom I believe to be scum.
______-- some other scummy based on the 3 man nihilist group.

After Haggis' stunt, I don't really want to give him the win (sorry pal ) but I think Talapus and the other scummy would want to get rid of him because he could potentially out them.

-Tails

I am here. This is a really good post, and I had been getting scummy vibes from Tal for awhile. I did not care at all for the way he tried to pressure me and start a case on me earlier. Commander did call him out for that right before he died, and I don't think that should be ignored. Maybe commander died for a reason. I admit i was inactive and that was not good at me. But you have to remember that when I replaced, this game was already nearly on page 30. And these weren't light post either- there were a lot of careful arguments and night scenes out there that I had to re-read. Also when I hoped in here, I was currentely in six other games as well as modding one- where I've gotten over 100 pm's so far. Lots of pm's to answer. I don't think the game load is too high for me- as i have a lot of time on my hands since I don't have any students for the summer- and i'm on sick leave. But i did have a flurry of migraines last week that I'm still recovering from. That makes it very difficult for me to focus on certain arguments- especially in a game as intellectual as this one- and it takes high comprehension for me to follow. I did post that I needed some more time, as I was completely lost. I had to ask to be replaced in one, but this this one I have finally caught up and can offer some feedback. Seems like I can't do much since this game is nearly over but i will try.

But while I think your case is good Tails, it does appear to be somewhat divisive. Right now we are focused on Fir and Haggis and you bring up Tal. While I do think he is scummy, and i actually. For the record I do think your behavior is pro-town, i just don't know if i can truly give your argument justice at this point, because I need to get to the bottom of this Haggis vs Fir thing. I would like to visit this case tomorrow however, and I will definitely keep it in mind.

I want everyone to claim right now...

Anarkistsdream - Dude
Tailgunner - Donnie
Haggis - Tall Nihilist
Fircoal - Bunny Lebowski
Talapus - Smokey Swing Voter
Violet - Knox Harrington
Iliad - Don't know

Hmmmm, I'm not quite sure you are as caught up with this game Tails as you think you are. A lot of your points are just kinda out there man. Had you paid attention to some of the other posts which you skipped or left out I had asked AD if he was sure of his findings as something he posted made it sound like he doubted his results. Sure enough he comes in and said that yes he did have doubts and mentioned a busdriver possibility which would completely make sense with one or two characters in here. Then you claim I vote for inactive Spiesr only after AD did it to distance myself from Haggis when my vote was on Haggis before with no mention of anything posted then.....ya, nice of you to leave that out. As for the whole Flores thing, like I said, I can't speak for why she acted the way she did as my character has emotional problems(Yes, but no set PR) but I've not played that angle of it. Not even sure if she was as the mod never said, would make sense I guess, but without a stated PR and no one else playing one I assumed it as a coincedence on her end. Again though, can't confirm either way.

Hmm, maybe i should refrain from commenting here also, as I may not be as caught up as I think I am either. But tails is at least trying and he did make some good points against you, as did commander before he died. However Tal makes a good case too- and he certainly didn't jump onto the spier's bandwagon blindly. I feel if anyone- anark should be held more accountable for that.
As for Flores i can't comment- she always plays like that, and I tend to quickly read through her posts.


My vote at the time is divided between Haggis, Chu and Tal. We certainly can't afford to waste a vote, and it would be nice to see the current vote count.

[Iliad]

Sorry to say Flores, but town's ability to create a lynch by itself is over, and all mafia has to do is to speedlynch nark.

Considering haggis is out and confirmed mafia, he probably should put the second vote, but it doesn't really matter.

[Fircoal]

Sorry to say Flores, but town's ability to create a lynch by itself is over, and all mafia has to do is to speedlynch nark.

Considering haggis is out and confirmed mafia, he probably should put the second vote, but it doesn't really matter.

Flores isn't in this game anymore skimmer.

[Iliad]

Sorry to say Flores, but town's ability to create a lynch by itself is over, and all mafia has to do is to speedlynch nark.

Considering haggis is out and confirmed mafia, he probably should put the second vote, but it doesn't really matter.

Flores isn't in this game anymore skimmer.

I meant Vio, and that should've been fairly clear considering the wall of text preceding my post.

[Fircoal]

Sorry to say Flores, but town's ability to create a lynch by itself is over, and all mafia has to do is to speedlynch nark.

Considering haggis is out and confirmed mafia, he probably should put the second vote, but it doesn't really matter.

Flores isn't in this game anymore skimmer.

I meant Vio, and that should've been fairly clear considering the wall of text preceding my post.

It was, just it seems quite a big mistake to make imo.

[Talapus]

Vio's post seems really out of character at this stage give the play style she's used so far in the game. Haggis I think it time you get in here and sell out your other partner out. Honestly I think it must be Vio but why she wouldn't take illy up on his offer is beyond me.

[nagerous]

Vote Count

Haggis (1) Nark
Nark (1) Iliad

Takes 4 to lynch

[Haggis_McMutton]

Vio's post seems really out of character at this stage give the play style she's used so far in the game. Haggis I think it time you get in here and sell out your other partner out. Honestly I think it must be Vio but why she wouldn't take illy up on his offer is beyond me.

Why the hell would I reveal my partner now? your power is mostly gone.

I'd still be slightly more comfortable lynching chu rather than going with Illiad, but his offer seem pretty solid as well.

vote Nark

If you don't want Illy's plan to happen I highly suggest town starts voting for chu.

[VioIet]

Vio's post seems really out of character at this stage give the play style she's used so far in the game. Haggis I think it time you get in here and sell out your other partner out. Honestly I think it must be Vio but why she wouldn't take illy up on his offer is beyond me.

Why the hell would I reveal my partner now? your power is mostly gone.

I'd still be slightly more comfortable lynching chu rather than going with Illiad, but his offer seem pretty solid as well.

vote Nark

If you don't want Illy's plan to happen I highly suggest town starts voting for chu.

Tal, I was just trying to be more active, and lay out my thoughts so far. I re-read the whole thread, and that was about as current as I could get.

Haggis, I would also much rather vote chu, but anark has just been mean.


Vote Anark

[Talapus]

Ok, works for me.

Unvote (If needed)
Vote Anark

[Anarkistsdream]

Wow.. Killing the dude.

Shitty

[Fircoal]

If any of you guys aren't scum/ don't win from this, I shall be sure to kill you.

[nagerous]

Anarkistsdream (4) - Iliad, Haggis, Vio, Talapus

That's a lynch, scene shall hopefully be up later tonight.

[nagerous]

The Big Lebowski gets his revenge

The Big Lebowski hated the dude. He saw him as nothing but a freeloader on the state. Courtesy of the nihilists he had received a toe with painted green nail varnish on it and he was determined to pin this on the dude.

Despite the series of deaths that the town, the dude attempted to make case that the nihilists could still be caught.

"No, man, nothing is fucked here--" stated the dude calmly.

"NOTHING IS FUCKED! THE GODDAMN PLANE HAS CRASHED INTO THE MOUNTAIN!" shouted the Big Lebowski aggressively in response.

The Big Lebowski revealed the toe that he had received in the post to the dude.

"Since you have failed to achieve, even in the modest task that was your charge, since you have stolen my money, and since you have unrepentantly betrayed my trust. I have no choice but to tell these bums that they should do whatever is necessary to recover their money from you, Jeffrey Lebowski. Any further harm visited upon Bunny, shall be visited tenfold upon your head," he announced.

An alliance was formed between the nihilists and the big lebowski and the dude was hung out to dry.

AnarkistsDream - The Dude (Cop) has been lynched!



Iliad - The Big Lebowski (Mason/Lyncher) has won!

Talapus - Karl Hungus (Mafia Godfather) has won!
VioIet - The Flea (Mafia Roleblocker) has won!
Haggis_McMutton - Tall Nihilist (Mafia Tracker) has won!

Fircoal - Bunny Lebowski (Roleblocker) has been endgamed!
Tailgunner - Donny (Townie) has been endgamed!

[safariguy5]

My god, town got destroyed this game. Well played mafia.

[strike wolf]

Yeah sorry about killing you n1 saf...I hadn't played vig in so long I couldn't resist taking a shot and I thought that you had given a hint at being Jackie Treehorn who I doubted was town...apparently I was right on the role but not alignment. Was very close to taking a shot at tal night 3...impressive play by haggis...was outed by the cop and still almost got town to lynch two townies...also nice play iliad for biding his time and striking at the right moment to get a lynch of a high profile town role.

[Anarkistsdream]

GREAT game, Nag! One of the most fun I have played in

[Victor Sullivan]

How the f*ck is Donny still alive?!? And Walter died?!?

Shomer f*cking shabbos.

-Sully

[pancakemix]

Figured Illy wasn't town.

WP, mafia. Not sure why you killed me though. I thought I would've made a good lynch.