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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby edocsil on Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:08 pm

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nagerous wrote:If Mr. Orange came out as a miller (he was a 'good guy' in respect to the film) a miller as in would come out as scum when he is actually town this makes me a hella lot more suspicious of naxus and Mr. White's role.


This.

Mr. Orange being a miller seems to indicate that the robbers are the bad guys(and Mr. Orange only appeared to be one of them)


I am curious, could Mr. White possibly come up innocent on investigations? would explain his willingness to gamble.
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:47 am

ga7 wrote:You have to take in account both Karel and me are not native english speakers. By protagonist I took it to be good guy, then realized it could have a different meaning. I'm surprised no one pointed that out to me before Karel since it seems more clear in english after checking the definition. That didn't change the fact I thought he was likely scum though, but I do find pretty sad that the wagon went on to lynch without any claim when Karel was still around.


I have never seen you misinterpret anything before. You seem to have a competent grasp on the English language. Are you trying to blame language on this? You compared the two posts of karel, clearly in an attempt to contrast what he initially stated (that his role was "bad":

karel wrote:and that whether or not they are maffia kind of depends on what they do compared to the average citizen.


with the other post that explained his role as "good." Regardless of your understanding of the nuances of "protagonist", you used his posts to paint him scummy.


ga7 wrote:I'm more suspicious of Victor at this point, gonna have to reread on him/AoG,


Why? You must have a low opinion of me if you think I can be distracted with these musings. Here you attempt to divert my attention by calling out Vic/AoG, of a character I myself previously stated I found suspicious, but you do so with little evidence. I know you ususally bring much better evidence than that. Perhaps you hope that I'll jump right back to Vic/AoG? Tsk tsk, you're a crafty one, ga7.

ga7 wrote:although it's also interesting that you agreed with my statement but ultimately didn't vote at all Tails :P


Aw yes, you attempt to discredit again my reasons. I didn't vote for karel because I found your theory interesting and of noteworthy consideration. However I didn't find it ultimately damning, so I didn't vote for him. Plus I was hoping he would claim, so I agree with you there. :)

ga7 wrote:Regarding the Mr Orange business, the fact he's a miller makes it more likely for Mr White to be town IMO.


? IMO if Orange and White are supposed to be shacked up together, and Orange showed up guilty, then presumably it's to retain his cover with the diamond thieves. I think White would show up anti-town. Unless I misunderstood something there, please enlighten me.

Oh, vote ga7

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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby strike wolf on Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:06 am

I broke my wrist so ill keep this short but it occured to me that if Mr. Zoller was mafia its likely that hans Landa is too.
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby naxus on Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:10 am

edocsil wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:
nagerous wrote:If Mr. Orange came out as a miller (he was a 'good guy' in respect to the film) a miller as in would come out as scum when he is actually town this makes me a hella lot more suspicious of naxus and Mr. White's role.


This.

Mr. Orange being a miller seems to indicate that the robbers are the bad guys(and Mr. Orange only appeared to be one of them)


I am curious, could Mr. White possibly come up innocent on investigations? would explain his willingness to gamble.


I can claim fully if you would like but id rather not as i'm rather helpful for the town
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby edocsil on Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:51 am

naxus wrote:
edocsil wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:
nagerous wrote:If Mr. Orange came out as a miller (he was a 'good guy' in respect to the film) a miller as in would come out as scum when he is actually town this makes me a hella lot more suspicious of naxus and Mr. White's role.


This.

Mr. Orange being a miller seems to indicate that the robbers are the bad guys(and Mr. Orange only appeared to be one of them)


I am curious, could Mr. White possibly come up innocent on investigations? would explain his willingness to gamble.


I can claim fully if you would like but id rather not as i'm rather helpful for the town


I would say not yet, not unless others press you beyond me.

I am interested in what others have to say about the Ga7 thing, although I perceive him to be innocent.
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby strike wolf on Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:51 pm

As far as ga7 is concerned, I've always had trouble reading him...he's always been town or 3rd party in games I've been in with him but it's rare that he goes through an entire game without him saying something that makes me suspicious of his behavior. As far as the protagonist misunderstanding it doesn't seem far fetched to me based on the fact english is his second language that he would misunderstand the meaning of the word even though his english is very good. Protagonist is not a very commonly used word. I did find him suspicious for relations with naxus briefly but it doesn't make sense to me for following reasons:

Mandys behavior against pmc strikes me that he isn't a traditional mafia role as if pmc turned up town he would risk being promptly lynched the next day so what roles could he be?

1. A town role who had a genuine suspicion. Defending a townie isn't suspicious.
2. A lyncher-I don't think ga7 would know that mandy was a lyncher so why defend him as a possible mafia?
3. Mafia usurper-mandy could get away with this one because if pmc was the godfather and mandy lynched him that would gain him the towns trust. But its a less common role and if both were mafia in this scenario than why would ga7 defend mandywhile he was getting rid of a godfather.

It is possible that mandy was a godfather sacrificing a lesser mafia member but an experienced mafia player like mandy would know not to fake claim a name that could be counterclaimed especially so early on so I do believe he is at least telling the truth about being Mr. White . What side of the law would that put him on? From what I've heard mr. White does not sound like a godfather. Possible mafia definitely but not godfather.
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby safariguy5 on Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:43 am

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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby spurgistan on Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:52 pm

Damn, I'd really hoped to kill several hundred more of you. Well, have fun all (and who said Shoshana and I weren't lovers? She so wanted the Zoller)
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby strike wolf on Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:34 pm

spurgistan wrote:Damn, I'd really hoped to kill several hundred more of you. Well, have fun all (and who said Shoshana and I weren't lovers? She so wanted the Zoller)

Is that why she shot you?
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby aage on Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:40 am

strike wolf wrote:
spurgistan wrote:Damn, I'd really hoped to kill several hundred more of you. Well, have fun all (and who said Shoshana and I weren't lovers? She so wanted the Zoller)

Is that why she shot you?

I didn't even know the guy was mafia, let alone his name... I was assuming he was the black guy who set fire to the theatre. Apparently I was wrong :lol:
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby strike wolf on Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:48 pm

I do remember there are actual cases in this gamne its just taking forever to reread accurately. I've read the thread front to back. I read all of spurgistan's posts and the context around those posts. I read all posts concerning spurgistan and the context around them. I took a close look at all the vote counts and who voted who for what. I read alkl the posts by multiple people in this game living and dead and the context around their posts. I tried to check which posts some people agreed with, disagreed with, ignored completely and so far...I haven't found much as far as who to actually vote. The only thing that does stand out to me is the case about Mr. Orange being a miller and would that make Mr. White mafia.
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby ga7 on Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:48 pm

Sigh, I guess I need to reread too, as I also wonder if there's something to find in relation to Fir since his kill is more likely to be mafia's. I guess I'll adress the "case" on me first, even though it doesn't make much sense to me...

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I have never seen you misinterpret anything before. You seem to have a competent grasp on the English language. Are you trying to blame language on this? You compared the two posts of karel, clearly in an attempt to contrast what he initially stated (that his role was "bad":

karel wrote:and that whether or not they are maffia kind of depends on what they do compared to the average citizen.


with the other post that explained his role as "good." Regardless of your understanding of the nuances of "protagonist", you used his posts to paint him scummy.

Ok, do you know the meaning of "protagonist"? Because if you don't it'd at least explain why you're reusing this argument. I thought I was quite clear, even though I pwn english more than most natives I'll give you that :lol:
In french, the common use of protagonist is to mean "the hero/good guy", while it actually means simply "the main character". Obviously in Tarantino movies many protagonists are actually bad guys. When I realized that I had some intellectual honesty to admit to my mistake, since this means Karel just said that he wasn't a main character and that he was a good guy. So wtf exactly?

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ga7 wrote:I'm more suspicious of Victor at this point, gonna have to reread on him/AoG,


Why? You must have a low opinion of me if you think I can be distracted with these musings. Here you attempt to divert my attention by calling out Vic/AoG, of a character I myself previously stated I found suspicious, but you do so with little evidence. I know you ususally bring much better evidence than that. Perhaps you hope that I'll jump right back to Vic/AoG? Tsk tsk, you're a crafty one, ga7.

Ok here I'll just leave you to your egocentric fantasies I think. It's not you, it's me :cry: So sorry to actually try to find scum while you ass around, the fact I haven't put a case is because that involves another focus reread since my suspicion is based on general behaviour.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:? IMO if Orange and White are supposed to be shacked up together, and Orange showed up guilty, then presumably it's to retain his cover with the diamond thieves. I think White would show up anti-town. Unless I misunderstood something there, please enlighten me.

nagerous wrote:If Mr. Orange came out as a miller (he was a 'good guy' in respect to the film) a miller as in would come out as scum when he is actually town this makes me a hella lot more suspicious of naxus and Mr. White's role.. it seems that people are trying to distance themselves from this argument, which makes me think that mafia are subtly trying to make us pressurise other players so that we avoid targetting their more exposed members (no jokes about exposed members please).

Well, I see the logic behind seeing it in that angle but to me the fact Orange was undercover cop means under investigation his cover would be blown hence the guilty result. Either theory could be right I think, and since we saw the lovers couple not making too much sense I won't put my money on background stuff. I do have other reasons to believe the robbers are town though and as Strike pointed out Mandy's move could only fit an usurper or weird GF as far as mafia is concerned, which doesn't quite fit since Fir was Orange, not Pmc.
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby strike wolf on Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:58 pm

Well my thing about mandy being a usurperworks even if pmc wasn't mr. Orange. (Town most likely wouldn't question someone who found the godfather day 1 even if he was wrong about the role specifics). It is a long shot theory though and if I did not specify lyncher works better for his behavior day 1.
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby strike wolf on Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:17 am

ASo I think this thread needs revival and after my last post I got to thinking. Wait a second ga7's theory about Mr. Orange doesn't fit but than I realized that the thought pattern I had for coming to that conclusion was flawed so I decided that it meant nothing and went to thinking well maybe if I looked at all of pmc's posts but I've already read so much I'm tired of it. Ill just look at some of my other threads and read more tomorrow when I can reconfigure my thoughts better. Oh look likely scum in other threads . Distracted distracted...oh look a prod from safari. I should post but I don't know what to post about. Read through some more posts...read through some more posts...I know I'll just say something completely out there followed by this:

vote pmc Ijust can't picture mandy/naxus as scum for some reason but we need to do something so I'm willing to entertain mandy's theory at least for now.
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby edocsil on Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:24 am

strike wolf wrote:ASo I think this thread needs revival and after my last post I got to thinking. Wait a second ga7's theory about Mr. Orange doesn't fit but than I realized that the thought pattern I had for coming to that conclusion was flawed so I decided that it meant nothing and went to thinking well maybe if I looked at all of pmc's posts but I've already read so much I'm tired of it. Ill just look at some of my other threads and read more tomorrow when I can reconfigure my thoughts better. Oh look likely scum in other threads . Distracted distracted...oh look a prod from safari. I should post but I don't know what to post about. Read through some more posts...read through some more posts...I know I'll just say something completely out there followed by this:

vote pmc Ijust can't picture mandy/naxus as scum for some reason but we need to do something so I'm willing to entertain mandy's theory at least for now.


Shit man, deep breaths. Anything against PMC? Personally I am for a Lynching of Mr. White now that Mr. Orange turned up as a miller.
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby nagerous on Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:30 am

strike wolf wrote:ASo I think this thread needs revival and after my last post I got to thinking. Wait a second ga7's theory about Mr. Orange doesn't fit but than I realized that the thought pattern I had for coming to that conclusion was flawed so I decided that it meant nothing and went to thinking well maybe if I looked at all of pmc's posts but I've already read so much I'm tired of it. Ill just look at some of my other threads and read more tomorrow when I can reconfigure my thoughts better. Oh look likely scum in other threads . Distracted distracted...oh look a prod from safari. I should post but I don't know what to post about. Read through some more posts...read through some more posts...I know I'll just say something completely out there followed by this:

vote pmc Ijust can't picture mandy/naxus as scum for some reason but we need to do something so I'm willing to entertain mandy's theory at least for now.


FOS Strike Wolf firstly PMC got replaced by Vio and Mandy's theory about PMC was completely flawed - what justification are you actually voting on? Naxus replaced mandy and distanced himself from the mandy theory and made up some hoop-la about how he can't give any more specifics about his role which mandy told us was Mr. White.

I'm going to vote naxus to get this game moving, pretty sure he is scum.
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby edocsil on Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:46 am

May as well get the game moving. Vote Naxus

Although, Nag, I do think he said he would elaborate if pressed.
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby strike wolf on Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:49 am

im going. With the justification that logic is inherently flawed and therefore the only logical logic is illogic. Viva la revolution!
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:24 pm

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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby nagerous on Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:59 pm

I picture the fooooooooooooool, that falls in love with you!
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby strike wolf on Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:11 pm

I only pity fools.
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby safariguy5 on Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:55 am

Damn it all, if I don't see more activity by the 3rd, I'm setting a deadline. Holidays should be over soon.
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby edocsil on Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:36 pm

Mafia be stallin
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 3

Postby strike wolf on Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:40 pm

well vio is on but I haven't seen naxus in a while...
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Re: Quentin Tarantino Mafia Day 2

Postby VioIet on Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:54 pm

edocsil wrote:Shit, your supposed to stay dead for a reason, I for one didn't catch what was going on with your hints.

On for the hypocrisy, I am asking someone to summarize their single argument so I don't put words in their mouth, much different then quicknotes from a whole game.

But please, stay dead, I have seen people blacklisted for less.



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By the way VioIet, you're playing a different role now, don't discuss what your other role's rationale.

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