Silver Bullet mafia (2/7)Scum wins

[dakky21]

You expect the werewolf to announce that they are the werewolf? All you will achieve is to reveal a town role.

Luring is different to direct fishing. I am not joking.

Town can win only if werewolf and mafia are dead.
Mafia can win only if werewolf and town are dead.

Werewolf can win only if either Town or Mafia are dead.

Direct fishing werewolf seems OK at this moment. You can lure whoever you want, but I prefer a straight approach.

[Streaker]

You expect the werewolf to announce that they are the werewolf? All you will achieve is to reveal a town role.

Luring is different to direct fishing. I am not joking.

Town can win only if werewolf and mafia are dead.
Mafia can win only if werewolf and town are dead.

Werewolf can win only if either Town or Mafia are dead.

Direct fishing werewolf seems OK at this moment. You can lure whoever you want, but I prefer a straight approach.

WW only wins as last man standing, I think. Both town and mafia dead.

I'd rather attend a meeting with Madmitch, the one post lyncher. And be sure he will retaliate to this vote

vote madmitch

Despite the obvious answer of yours being 'joke vote', what were you trying to accomplish with this post?
Were you counting on the likely OMGUS of mitch, so you could jump on that?

So dakky, how about answering my question?

[Streaker]

Dazza hasn't made a single post, apart from 1 joke vote.

Hotshot made 1 though:

Mitch, who are you gonna shoot with your silver bullet?

Yeah, that was kind of an obvious hint he gave... of course mafia also has a silver bullet, so having one doesn't prove town or scum really. Of course that makes him an easy scum target if he's town, since he can be a vig and shoot scum as well as the werewolf... so I sure hope he's either false hinting (which isn't normally mitch's game), or he is scum.

Since the werewolf is by himself, and presumably doesn't have any more knowledge than a VT... how are we going to figure out who the wolf is for mitch &/or the other silver bullet shooter to shoot? Without a cop either... seems like it will be mostly luck for us to figure it out

This screams werewolf to me. The entire first paragraphe is pointing out the obvious, just to be sure that mafia knows where the town silver bullet is. I doubt even Mitch would post flavour like that if he was mafia. It's hotshot drawing mafia's attention to the town bullet, I don't see how else to read that.

The second part is just... I mean, 'how are we going to figure out who the wolf is'? The entire post stinks. Of werewolf.


***was working with a few too many open windows, this was supposed to be a single post

[dakky21]

Despite the obvious answer of yours being 'joke vote', what were you trying to accomplish with this post?
Were you counting on the likely OMGUS of mitch, so you could jump on that?

So dakky, how about answering my question?

I can't answer anything other than a 'joke vote', because it was a joke vote. What else you can expect on the first page of the thread? I was sure Mitch will vote me and then everyone would have one vote. Closed loop, and enough funny for the beginning of the D1.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Not contributing will look exceedingly scummy should Dakky flip town.

[madmitch]

Since the werewolf is by himself, and presumably doesn't have any more knowledge than a VT... how are we going to figure out who the wolf is for mitch &/or the other silver bullet shooter to shoot? Without a cop either... seems like it will be mostly luck for us to figure it out[/quote]

This screams werewolf to me. The entire first paragraphe is pointing out the obvious, just to be sure that mafia knows where the town silver bullet is. I doubt even Mitch would post flavour like that if he was mafia. It's hotshot drawing mafia's attention to the town bullet, I don't see how else to read that.

The second part is just... I mean, 'how are we going to figure out who the wolf is'? The entire post stinks. Of werewolf.
Guys remember there are two wolfs,we must be careful

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Modified set-up is:
4 town
2 scum
1 werewolf

Mitch, there is only one werewolf as above.

End - Can you amend the first post to match please.

[aage]

Willing to see if Streaker's theory pans out, mostly to get a clue of Streaker's alignment. I don't recall him making a big deal out of things two pages into the game before.

[aage]

Also, lynching the werewolf on D1 is a bad idea. We only have 4 townies so if we hang the werewolf it's LyLo immediately.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

"silver bullet" that can kill werewolves(kills anyone it hits werewolf or otherwise

Aage, not quite Lylo

[aage]

"silver bullet" that can kill werewolves(kills anyone it hits werewolf or otherwise

Aage, not quite Lylo

If we hang the ww on day one we go into night with 4 town and 2 mafia. Mafia has regular factional kill. Even if the vig manages to shoot mafia, it's lylo at 3 town and 1 mafia.

[aage]

I realise I'm kind of pointing out the obvious. Only if we somehow end up with 1 mafia and 4 town we have a single mislynch.

I understand from the opening post that the werewolf cannot kill at night. Therefore we should focus our efforts on finding the mafia, not the werewolf. Basically the ww is a 3rd party surv who isn't hurting anyone but the town still wants him to die.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

All I took from Hotshots post is that I dont think he is mafia. Lynching Hotshot, to test out Streakers theory is the same as lynching someone on the logic that they are possibly in partnership with the scummiest player. If you want to know Streakers alignment lynch Streaker.

[aage]

All I took from Hotshots post is that I dont think he is mafia. Lynching Hotshot, to test out Streakers theory is the same as lynching someone on the logic that they are possibly in partnership with the scummiest player. If you want to know Streakers alignment lynch Streaker.

I want to know everyone's alignment, obviously. Lynching Streaker doesn't tell me much about the other players.

What about Hotshot's post made you think he wasn't mafia?

[HotShot53]

I realise I'm kind of pointing out the obvious. Only if we somehow end up with 1 mafia and 4 town we have a single mislynch.

I understand from the opening post that the werewolf cannot kill at night. Therefore we should focus our efforts on finding the mafia, not the werewolf. Basically the ww is a 3rd party surv who isn't hurting anyone but the town still wants him to die.

That's actually very true, now that I think about it... since there is only one ww and it can't kill, it's impossible for it to win other than jointly with town or scum. Which basically makes it a survivor that town doesn't have to fear, so we should just look for scum.

From aage's and wing's conversation, I'd have to lean town on them to start with. (Of course, both are good players, and have fooled me before)

Of the other 4, I don't really know... but I will start with an unvote, vote dazza for not being here since he joke voted himself.

[dakky21]

This is I think only my second game with WCG. What I wonder is - why everyone trusts him? He could be ww as well as mafia. He is only attacking others and doesn't provide any valuable info on himself.

The other thing is the Streaker's philosophy, not to say madmitch's... and there are those who don't even try to play like dazza... I wonder who of them is ww and who is mafia... without saying anything they all can be .. anything.

FP'ed by hotshot

Hotshot, dazza voting himself doesn't mean anything, I did that in that other game and got insta-lynched... dazza is scummy silent, but then as well he might be town as well, just inactive

[madmitch]

I agree with Aage lets not worry about the ww now, and I trust WCG and will heed his advice for now, I really hope my gut feelings are right. As for my nemesis Dakky21 you asked for it you got it VOTE DAKKY21

[dakky21]

I agree with Aage lets not worry about the ww now, and I trust WCG and will heed his advice for now, I really hope my gut feelings are right. As for my nemesis Dakky21 you asked for it you got it VOTE DAKKY21

There it goes. In last 3 games you voted me without any reasoning. That was the first (joke) vote for. Tell it's a joke vote and we're fine, but constantly voting me Day 1 without reasons leads me to some thoughts, not about this mafia game or the other mafia games. It seems you have an Obsessive compulsive disorder. You should see your doctor. (and Streaker, this answers your question also)

[Streaker]

Willing to see if Streaker's theory pans out, mostly to get a clue of Streaker's alignment. I don't recall him making a big deal out of things two pages into the game before.

What do you mean by 'willing to see'?
And yes, I usually stay away from these kind of big callouts early game, but this game is rather slow so might as well. Out of all the posts, except for dakky, this one stood out the most to me.

I agree with Aage lets not worry about the ww now, and I trust WCG and will heed his advice for now, I really hope my gut feelings are right. As for my nemesis Dakky21 you asked for it you got it VOTE DAKKY21

There it goes. In last 3 games you voted me without any reasoning. That was the first (joke) vote for. Tell it's a joke vote and we're fine, but constantly voting me Day 1 without reasons leads me to some thoughts, not about this mafia game or the other mafia games. It seems you have an Obsessive compulsive disorder. You should see your doctor. (and Streaker, this answers your question also)

Actually, dakky, this is what I meant when I asked what you were hoping to accomplish with your joke vote.
Now that mitch finally votes you (reason or not, there is a decent case on you), you go crazy on him. Your joke vote was the most obvious lure you could give someone like mitch. With that post, you'd be guaranteed to have his vote on you. Why the bitching now that he has done so?
Like I said, if this is not what you were trying to accomplish, I wonder what was. Also referencing mental illnesses to someone that is here to play a game... Nope.

Aage, you are right about not wanting to kill the ww first.
For me it's between dakky (strange joke vote and follow up) and dazza (inactivity) today.

Mod, could we get a prod on dazza?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

All I took from Hotshots post is that I dont think he is mafia. Lynching Hotshot, to test out Streakers theory is the same as lynching someone on the logic that they are possibly in partnership with the scummiest player. If you want to know Streakers alignment lynch Streaker.

I want to know everyone's alignment, obviously. Lynching Streaker doesn't tell me much about the other players.

What about Hotshot's post made you think he wasn't mafia?

If he is scum, its the kind of post thats just designed to tell your partner to read the hint. Mafia dont need to do that as they can just night talk.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I realise I'm kind of pointing out the obvious. Only if we somehow end up with 1 mafia and 4 town we have a single mislynch.

I understand from the opening post that the werewolf cannot kill at night. Therefore we should focus our efforts on finding the mafia, not the werewolf. Basically the ww is a 3rd party surv who isn't hurting anyone but the town still wants him to die.

That's actually very true, now that I think about it... since there is only one ww and it can't kill, it's impossible for it to win other than jointly with town or scum. Which basically makes it a survivor that town doesn't have to fear, so we should just look for scum.

From aage's and wing's conversation, I'd have to lean town on them to start with. (Of course, both are good players, and have fooled me before)

Of the other 4, I don't really know... but I will start with an unvote, vote dazza for not being here since he joke voted himself.

You've jokevoted Dakky, I built a semi-case, Streaker supports it, Madmitch has voted with it. Only Aage is slowly working away trying to build a separate case. If I am right about Dakky then Aage is the only person actively trying to avoid the lynch. Aage's posts seem town, but you have to read what he is doing. Dazza is actively avoiding things. (Note: Streaker supports but hasnt actually voted for it, and now cant as its L-1, that could be trying to fit in.)

Dakky is still working to try and discredit the "trust" others have in me. And is not scumhunting.

[Streaker]

Wing, voting early in this game isn't something I would advice. I am not ready to lynch anyone yet, as I want more contribution from dazza first. If he stays afk, I want him out of the game.
If i'd placed my vote on dakky earlier, the day would be over because of the loose cannon we have. It's something to take into consideration.

Wing is reading town to me. His actions are the most town of anyone. Lynching dakky would tell a lot about wing and to an extent aage allignment.

Hotshots post after me having called him out, is weak. He takes a stand on aage and wing, but has the 'exit strategy' covered ('both are good players, but...'). That's posting for the sake of posting.
I can't really dislike his vote on dazza as I'll be voting him too if he doesn't show up, I feel it's better at this point to await the prod.
In general, I feel this is a really good post to make if you wanna post something without getting involved. It's a safe assumption on aage and wing, and it's a safe vote.
This post is confirming my read for me.

Aage looking at other things besides your case, wing, isn't scummy. It's covering all bases.
His remarks about lylo speak town.

As usual, a read on mitch is rather difficult but if anything i'd say leaning town.
And dazza just isn't here.

[aage]

This is I think only my second game with WCG. What I wonder is - why everyone trusts him? He could be ww as well as mafia. He is only attacking others and doesn't provide any valuable info on himself.

Firstly, what do you mean by trusting Wing? It's rather early to disproportionally mistrust anyone right now. Sure he could be ww or mafia, but anyone could be ww or mafia. Your implied premise of not trusting him doesn't help anyone - we can't have reads if we don't have a conversation. Secondly, what kind of valuable info would you like him to provide on himself? His aggressive play should actually help you in reading him. We all could go around claiming VT but that won't do anything.

Not trying to defend Wing but your points are in no way unique to Wing.

The other thing is the Streaker's philosophy, not to say madmitch's... and there are those who don't even try to play like dazza... I wonder who of them is ww and who is mafia... without saying anything they all can be .. anything.

Speaking of a lack of valuable info

FP'ed by hotshot

Hotshot, dazza voting himself doesn't mean anything, I did that in that other game and got insta-lynched... dazza is scummy silent, but then as well he might be town as well, just inactive

Dazza voting himself is uninteresting, since self votes aren't counted, so correct. Reading his silence as scummy silent is a bit off imo, so I agree with you there as well.

I agree with Aage lets not worry about the ww now, and I trust WCG and will heed his advice for now, I really hope my gut feelings are right. As for my nemesis Dakky21 you asked for it you got it VOTE DAKKY21

There it goes. In last 3 games you voted me without any reasoning. That was the first (joke) vote for. Tell it's a joke vote and we're fine, but constantly voting me Day 1 without reasons leads me to some thoughts, not about this mafia game or the other mafia games. It seems you have an Obsessive compulsive disorder. You should see your doctor. (and Streaker, this answers your question also)

I agree with what Streaker said on this, you literally baited Mitch into this vote with your earlier post. It seems very much like a 'damned if he does, damned if he doesn't'.

What do you mean by 'willing to see'?

I meant considering lynching hotshot.


I'll unvote cause my vote on Dazza isn't there because I want him dead (yet). He needs to be prodded, but we don't have the luxury to lynch an inactive on day 1.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Aage looking at other things besides your case, wing, isn't scummy. It's covering all bases.
His remarks about lylo speak town.

Aage knows full well that posting lylo mechanics stuff, vote counts, summary posts etc all appear town. However, they are completely alignment neutral. I tend to post them a lot whatever alignment I am as its easy town cred. So ignore that.

Its less the building other cases, than the remaining very passive to the Dakky case until his last post. I do think that in this game only have one real case at this point isnt great for learning lots from the lynch. We have only one mislynch allowed, need to make it count. If I'm right about Dakky, then its happy days, but if its a mislynch, then we dont really have a plan B at the moment. Lynching Dazza for inactivity is dangerous in a game this small as it is alignment neutral, and wont tell us anything.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So Dakky L-1, are you claiming a silver bullet or just going for VT claim?