Lord of the Rings mafia [Town wins]

[william18]

Wow, this is hilarious.

When new players are scum, and they get pressured, they panic, unvote, and do all kinds of crazy stuff.

Karl is sticking to his guns, not backing down, and staying the course. He is speaking his mind and explaining himself(I thought rather well). The only reason I think he would do this is if he had a solid claim. If he is scum, then in my mind he is playing town to a T. This is a classic case of scum trying to build a strawman case against a new player for speaking their mind.

Do not be alarmed if Karl gets forced to claim and he comes up town that my vote imediately goes on someone on his bandwagon. It seems that the people on his case are certain that he is scum and should be willing to except their fate if he is not. I do not want to hear any BS that "it is the best thing we have to go on" because that is exactly what it is. BS. People went after MM yesterday for what I thought was a joke of a reason, and I think the same thing is happening today.

If he has some bogus claim, I will be the first to jump on board and lynch him. Feel free to try and make me look scummy because of this statement, but I have explaind myself and my reasons. And I have a good feeling that at least 1 of you is scum

I believe the case against karl is a little more then straw men. Firstly look at this post. I bolded the part which is quite scummy.

Also, spiesr never voted mr.squrril,

Actually, i meant to vote for him and I will fix it now. Vote Mr. Squirrel

Suspect does bring an interesting point that we may want to look into somewhat of pmc retaliating against those who attack him or his defenders. Whether this is reasonable self defense or something a little more is unclear and open for discussion...

when suspect and spiesr brought this up, it totally attached to my first thought, squirrel fits into it!
he could be one of the two bandits who bandwagonned Minister Macket, with either pmchugh or AceArtemis (or spiesr if him bringing this up is a decoy ) or 2 of those!

therefor I would like to put some pressure on Squirrel:
vote Mr Squirrel

I want to pressurize Squirrel first. I think he either went with AceArtemis or you (pmchugh). out of those two, I must admit I don't think you are scummy... but that's not the issue I'm trying to get going here yet.

first, let's see who Mr. Squirrel is.
so follow this example everybody:

vote Mr Squirrel

This stinks of bandwaggoning, you are trying to force other people to vote for Mr. Squirrel. Your reasoning isn't great either, just because people voted for a townie doesn't make them scum. Apart from the fact Mr. S was on this wagon what else do you have agianst him?

I explained my reasoning for wanting to put pressure on Mr Squirrel perfectly clear.
you however have made no good point whatsoever that he is town.
so the question is not what I have against him (because I have nothing against him that I didn't already say), but what why you want to protect him so badly?!

Seriously, do you believe this reasoning is good? I'm pretty sure this isn't even logical. So far I believe this "evidence" is grasping at straws( aswell as the fact people are judging squirrel and using his vote record as evidence AFTER ONE LYNCH).

I personally believe that karl has more compelling evidence then the mr.squirrel "case". I assume squirrel wasn't online to be able to switch the vote. I find it somewhat interesting that Suspect finds people who grasp at straws scummy, yet he is doing that aswell.

[spiesr]

I find it somewhat interesting that Suspect finds people who grasp at straws scummy, yet he is doing that aswell.

So do you propose that we go back to the Suspect case or hit the karelpietertje one harder?

[pmchugh]

Anyway vote karel his connection to nag was scummy, but his attack of Squirrel stinks of him just trying to switch the attention off him to someone else.

I don't care if he's new or not, if he looks scummy to me I will suspect him.

I agree with this, why should we ignore scumminess because the player is new, otherwise we would never lynch a new player. If he acts scummy, he should expect to arrouse suspicion.

Your (as I was doing) thinking too much about why he shouldn't not be lynched rather than why he should be lynched.

All he has done is follow through on poor reasoning, it's all I ever accused him of. When you think about it if he was scum trying to lynch a townie why would he not stop when everyone started accusing him? The more I think about it the more I think it's simply poor play not scummy play.

Although he seems to have gone quiet since, what do you think of the other players karel? ie. not mr. squirrel.

[karelpietertje]

Let me explain once more how I feel about the situation.

Scenario 1
First possibility: When Minister Macket got lynched, the scums just let all the townies screw up in killing eachother.
I must admit that I find this more and more possible, because those people are still not saying much, and they might be letting us screw up again.

Scenario 1
However, I still think this has been what really happened: The mafia knew that Minister Macket was Gandalf, and I think they specifically tried to kill him, seeing as Gandalf obviously had some special power that they wanted out of the way.
That's why I am looking at who voted for him.
hese are their names:
spiesr, pmchugh, AceArtemis, Mr. Squirrel

out of these 3, i think Mr. Squirrel is the most suspicious.
he is being defended by pmchugh all the time, so my thoughts are that they might be scumbuddies.

I stand by this reasoning, as we don't have much more information to judge by.

[pmchugh]

Scenario 2
However, I still think this has been what really happened: The mafia knew that Minister Macket was Gandalf, and I think they specifically tried to kill him, seeing as Gandalf obviously had some special power that they wanted out of the way.

If mafia knew who Gandalf was they would not try to get him lynched, it is much harder and more risky than simply waiting till night and killing him then. It makes zero sense for them to try and kill him during the day when townies will hunt out each other by mistake anyway.

out of these 3, i think Mr. Squirrel is the most suspicious.
he is being defended by pmchugh all the time, so my thoughts are that they might be scumbuddies.

How many times do I have to say, because two players agree does not make them scumbuddies, look at me and clive yesterday.

[karelpietertje]

Scenario 2
However, I still think this has been what really happened: The mafia knew that Minister Macket was Gandalf, and I think they specifically tried to kill him, seeing as Gandalf obviously had some special power that they wanted out of the way.

If mafia knew who Gandalf was they would not try to get him lynched, it is much harder and more risky than simply waiting till night and killing him then. It makes zero sense for them to try and kill him during the day when townies will hunt out each other by mistake anyway.

lol Gandalf would at least be a Doctor so he could protect himself

out of these 3, i think Mr. Squirrel is the most suspicious.
he is being defended by pmchugh all the time, so my thoughts are that they might be scumbuddies.

How many times do I have to say, because two players agree does not make them scumbuddies, look at me and clive yesterday.

you are more than agreeing with Squirrel.

[pmchugh]

lol Gandalf would at least be a Doctor aso he could protect himself

Doctors can't protect themselves. (99 times out of 100)

out of these 3, i think Mr. Squirrel is the most suspicious.
he is being defended by pmchugh all the time, so my thoughts are that they might be scumbuddies.

How many times do I have to say, because two players agree does not make them scumbuddies, look at me and clive yesterday.

you are more than agreeing with Squirrel.[/quote]

So? It makes no difference to what degree you do it, in fact the more subtle the mosre scummy IMO.

[karelpietertje]

lol Gandalf would at least be a Doctor aso he could protect himself

Doctors can't protect themselves. (99 times out of 100)

out of these 3, i think Mr. Squirrel is the most suspicious.
he is being defended by pmchugh all the time, so my thoughts are that they might be scumbuddies.

How many times do I have to say, because two players agree does not make them scumbuddies, look at me and clive yesterday.

you are more than agreeing with Squirrel.

So? It makes no difference to what degree you do it, in fact the more subtle the mosre scummy IMO.[/quote]

you make no sense. Doctors can usually protect themselves.
and i did not bandwagon someone with suspect now did i ?!
bytheway, i do not understand why he is the only one who agrees with me bytheway... i feel like after what happened yesterday, squirrel is the most suspicious.

[pmchugh]

http://mikeburnfire.deviantart.com/art/Mafia-Roles-72597749

It is very rare to have a doctor that can protect themselves.

and i did not bandwagon someone with suspect now did i ?!

What bandwagon are you reffering to?

bytheway, i do not understand why he is the only one who agrees with me bytheway... i feel like after what happened yesterday, squirrel is the most suspicious.

No one agrees becasue your logic is faulty. Doctors can't protcect themselves and even if they could then mafia would need to know his exact role.

[karelpietertje]

http://mikeburnfire.deviantart.com/art/Mafia-Roles-72597749

It is very rare to have a doctor that can protect themselves.

and i did not bandwagon someone with suspect now did i ?!

What bandwagon are you reffering to?

I was referring to your votes contributing to gettin Gandalf killed.

When I played mafia (sitting in a ring with friends ) when I was younger, the doctor could usually protect himself... but I guess not here :/
maybe Situation 1 is more likely then... I think I'll unvote Squirrel later.
but to make sure to do nothing impulsive, I'll think it through once more.

[pmchugh]

http://mikeburnfire.deviantart.com/art/Mafia-Roles-72597749

It is very rare to have a doctor that can protect themselves.

and i did not bandwagon someone with suspect now did i ?!

What bandwagon are you reffering to?

I was referring to your votes contributing to gettin Gandalf killed.

Oh i got confused because suspect didn't vote for MM.

[spiesr]

karelpietertje appears to be referring to how despite the fact that he and Suspect agree with each other they haven't voted together on a lynch while you and Mr. Squirrel have voted together and the lynch yesterday.
What concerns me more is not how you voted together but you you have defended each other and you retaliated against his accusers. As I think about it more however, I realize that while Mr. Squirrel seems inexperienced enough to jump to the defense of a scum buddy, you would likely be much more hesitant to do the same. Although this is getting into WIFOM now...

[Thezzaruz]

you make no sense. Doctors can usually protect themselves.

No they usually can't because they would then have little interest in ever offering that protection to anyone else.


Having some trouble here as karels reasoning looks the shoddiest but I still don't trust pmc much.

[AceArtemis]

I've gotten behind on this game again. I will read through and make an informed post tomorrow.

[Simon Viavant]

I've gotten behind on this game again. I will read through and make an informed post tomorrow.

me too

[pmchugh]

I just read through this thread entirely, have some suspiciouns but before I voice them I would like to hear what the two above me have to say.

[spiesr]

I just read through this thread entirely, have some suspiciouns but before I voice them I would like to hear what the two above me have to say.

Really, you might as well not waste the time and drop them now before this things stalls.

[AceArtemis]

I just read through this thread entirely, have some suspiciouns but before I voice them I would like to hear what the two above me have to say.

If you have something of substance to add, you might as well say it.

The last few pages have been nothing but straw-grasping and WIFOM arguments.
The case against Mr. Squirrel is that he was on the MM lynch wagon. I don't find Squirrel very scummy, because he probably just found MM more scummy than pmc before MM's claim, and was not online at the time of the claim to be able to change his vote. I would have switched my vote to Thezz if I was online at 4:19 am, when MM claimed.

Let me explain once more how I feel about the situation.

Scenario 1
First possibility: When Minister Macket got lynched, the scums just let all the townies screw up in killing eachother.
I must admit that I find this more and more possible, because those people are still not saying much, and they might be letting us screw up again.

Scenario 2
However, I still think this has been what really happened: The mafia knew that Minister Macket was Gandalf, and I think they specifically tried to kill him, seeing as Gandalf obviously had some special power that they wanted out of the way.
That's why I am looking at who voted for him.
hese are their names:
spiesr, pmchugh, AceArtemis, Mr. Squirrel

I find Scenario 1 more likely, because an experienced mafia player would not want to be the center of discussion the next day. As for Scenario 2, how the hell would the mafia know that MM was Gandalf? Usually, the mafia don't get that type of information. There may or may not be scum on MM's wagon. You are more likely to find inexperienced scum on Day 1 wagons than experienced scum. But while Mr. Squirrel is on that list, I don't find him very scummy.

The case against KP is that he was grasping at straws all day long. However, he's been trying to catch the scum all day, and always explained how he felt about the current game situation, even though his reasoning wasn't always the best. My opinion of KP is that he's just an inexperienced townie.

he is being defended by pmchugh all the time, so my thoughts are that they might be scumbuddies.

How many times do I have to say, because two players agree does not make them scumbuddies, look at me and clive yesterday.

It's not scummy when someone agrees with another person and doesn't find them scummy, but it is scummy when the two people have been constantly agreeing with each other through the entire game. I think it is too early to tell whether pmc and Squirrel are scumbuddies.

[Stroop]

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Vote count

Mr. Squirrel - 2 (Suspect101, karelpietertje)
karelpietertje - 3 (sam_levi_11, william18, Iliad)
Thezzaruz - 1 (Clive)
Suspect101 -1 (Simon Viavant)

Not voting: Mr. Squirrel, Thezzaruz, Falkomagno, AceArtemis, spiesr, pmchugh

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Day 2 will end approximately 80 hours from now
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[pmchugh]

The reason I wanted to wait was becasue the two people that said that are the two I think to be most scummy.

unvote vote aceartemis I think we have a marginal winner. Here is why I believe he is scum:

Early on in the game he says:

Unvote to withdraw my random vote.

As for pmc's bandwagon, there's way too much speculation going on. Pmc could just be someone who knows the theme well and wants to guess the setup, or he could be mafia trying to act helpful. There's no knowing which. I don't like this bandwagon on pmc, though, because this speculation is giving the town information, such as what claims are likely to be fake.

scum are more careful than town, learn that.

From my experience being scum, this is very true. I am a lot more careful when I am scum than when I am town.

This is ridiculous, he says he plays more carefully when scum, yet the entire first half of his post is him playing carefully

He is speaking but not commiting to anything, he seems to be protecting me but the bold part is him watching his arse.

And I think "careful" sums up his play. He disappears for long periods of play only to return and post without actually commiting. Despite this he manages to get on every major bandwagon in the game Clive, MM and karel. Although admitidly so have I.

According to that, unvote Vote Ace Artimis because he is clearly lurking

You are very observant. I haven't had much to say because pmc and suspect have taken over the thread with their pointless argument. Thank god that is over.

So your theory is that we should move straight into the night? If you can't find something worthwhile, then you can't lynch, which means day 1 is bogus and we will learn nothing from it.

In this game, you can't not lynch because the rules of this game make a no lynch impossible. We are not allowed to vote for a no lynch, and if the deadline passes, then someone will be lynched even if a majority has not been reached. The only question is who to lynch.

I agree that spiesr has been making very little actual sense, and is generally voting without proper reason.
Vote spiesr

But he hasn't been voting at all for the people he is pointing out. In fact, his vote is on you and it has been that way for a couple days now. So far he has only been pointing out what he believes Suspect's and PMC's roles are. And while he has alluded to it, he has not definitively called either of them scummy. I think your vote just now is based on less sense than his speculation.

Vote: MM for skimming and trying to start a bandwagon without knowing the reasons behind the bandwagon.

Big post, little content. Reason for vote is poor, seems he is just sticking up for speisr.

He is accused of protecting spiesr and this is his next post:

You seem to be slighly trying to start a bandwagon on suspect and I am suspicious becasue of that, because you are trying to influence other people without having the guts to do the voting yourself.

unvote vote speisr

speisr you never answered this, your theorys seem ridiculous surely no-one would think that either me or speisr were stupid enough to do either of the things you suggested so then I wonder, what was your motovation behind your accustations?

spiesr did give his motivation, reproduced below:

I agree that spiesr has been making very little actual sense, and is generally voting without proper reason.

I have just been trying to find something worthwhile to go with. So far I haven't had much luck...

However, spiesr never responded to the accusation of influencing other people without having the guts to do the voting himself. I want to see spiesr respond to this accusation, so Unvote, Vote: speisr

He sticks up for speisr again but then votes him? This seems like a cover vote to me, why stick up for him and vote him at the same time? It makes no sense, unless your being very careful not to get caught...

Vote Clive

The fact that he always throws around votes and his extreme defensiveness for pmchugh make my very inclined to lynch him. This is basically a recipe for scum who are saving their partner. We have to pressure. No lynch is a terrible descision. What are we gonna do at night, randomly chose? We need a lynch or at least a claim to base our night actions off of.

Not only is no lynch a terrible decision, its against the rules. In this game, it is literally impossible to get a no lynch. I do agree with you that we need to pressure, though. We don't want to get down to 2 days before deadline and have an unproductive scramble of random votes to get a lynch.
Unvote, Vote: Clive to up the pressure.

FoS: Suspect for voting no lynch, which is always a poor decision on day 1 because a lynch generates vital information.

Now one way of getting suspicion is through voting no lynch, if you suggest it 9 times out of 10 you will be suspected so it's no surprise that AA is using it as a reason to vote with it. No lynch is bad for the town, but scum always want a lynch anyway unless it's of there own scum buddy. Which makes it positively easy for scum to jump on it, becasue town will aswell. Apart from that he is getting on the clive wagon with the classic excuse "We need a lynch". Read the bolded part, he says this yet he votes for someone without giving any reason to believe they are scum?

did you not read my reason for no lynch?

I read your reason for no lynch. No lynch is almost never good for the town, because if we no lynch, we'll just be in the same situation tomorrow, while a lynch, even a townie lynch, will let us see who went after who, who defended who, and who lurked, and we can use that information on future days to make a more informed lynch.

Not that we can "no lynch" anyway, but I must point out why a no lynch is bad.

No lynch seems the only thing he can actually commit to, and it also happens to be one of the easiest as no one will suspect you. Don't get me wrong no lynches are bad, but when this is the only thing you feel strongly about then your being very careful and playing robotically.

Here's my thoughts on some important players in the game.

MM- MM isn't contributing anything to Day 1, and is posting only to defend himself. He assumes that Day 1 is pointless and will have no part in any Day 1 scumhunting. This is anti-town, but not necessarily a scumtell because it could simply be the way MM plays.

pmc- Like he said, pmc has been helpful and constructive in all our day 1 discussion. Pmc has been connected to Clive, but associative scumtells are not necessarily useful on Day 1. Yes, Mr. S, if Clive turns out to be scum, then pmc would look very scummy, and we should probably pressure pmc at that point, but for now all we have are that they are connected. I want to keep pmc around for now because pmc is usually helpful and constructive, and he usually posts often, so we'll have a lot to analyze of him on future days just in case he is scum.

Clive- The case against Clive is that he has been voting for people on the pmc bandwagon, and thus defending his scumbuddy. Again, associative scumtells aren't that useful on Day 1, but I feel Clive is the best Day 1 lynch right now because if we know whether Clive is scum or town, we can make some sense of the connection between pmc and Clive. As a result, my vote stays on Clive until someone comes up with a better Day 1 lynch.

Careful bandwagonning at it's best. Everything he says covers what he just said, he contradicts himself at every turn. Yet he still remains on the clive wagon while always looking to cover himself should someone turn on him.

Unvote

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Is there a role that goes with that? Now what, deadline is like tomorrow or the next day...

Sometimes, it's better if roles aren't revealed, so the mafia doesn't know who the powerroles are. A character claim is sufficient, as long as nobody counterclaims.

Again he is on the safe considered (although ultimately right) side of the argument. But doesn't supect speisr because of it, it's like he is handing out advice to speisr.

What the whole case against me was that I was clive's scumbuddy, and that clearly isn't the case.

We only really have time for one bandwagon to get someone lynched, we don't have to reach a majority just 5 or 6 votes and by posting this you are clearly showing that you want me lynched and dead. Give one good reason why I should be lynched?

I wasn't going to go after you, but this just reeks of scum, I can't see any other reason why someone would want to get me lynched so badly.

unvote vote MM

Vote: MM

No this one goes against the careful thing, although it arguably his most scummy post of the game. Why would you blindly follow me like that? He doesn't even bother to say "I agree" or whatever he just quotes me and votes

After reading through the entire argument between MM and pmc, it seemed that pmc was very defensive. Pmc misunderstood MM's posts, and thought MM was trying to get him lynched rather than pressured. However, I fail to see the case against pmc. The only thing I saw against pmc earlier in the day was the connection to Clive.

The case against both MM and pmc is very weak. However, as one of them is going to be deadline lynched no matter what I do, I must make a decision.

Well it's dead tied between me and MM, if it stays the same way then MM is lynched cause his vote was first. If anyone is thinking about voting me please allow me the chance to claim. As I will do if it comes to that.

From this quote, it seems that pmc may have a solid, believable claim. Sure, pmc may be bluffing, but I don't want to risk losing a town power role right now. My vote stays right where it is. On day 2, we'll certainly have plenty to discuss about this bandwagon.

The bold part some more contradiciton. The underlined part is his excuse for lynching a townie, he knows both me and MM are town so he states that it is not through choice he lynches one of us, giving him a nice excuse if anyone comes back to suspect him.

First off, I'm not seeing the case against Squirrel. I don't think Mr. Squirrel is all that scummy at the moment, and has defended himself adaquately.

It seems pmc and suspect are at it again. Is this going to happen every single day?

Yesterday Nag was quite hard and harsh on Karel, calling him newbie scum. This was because we was obviously avoiding the topic. A claim to which he still hasnt answered, seeming to hope this new day will mean we forget. Along with this, if he was newbie scum, being this his first/second game, certainly first as scum, he is likely to kill whoever was getting close to finding him out. It often happens with newbie scum and i think Karel simply panicked and killed him to protect himself. This, coupled with the fact he obviously avoided the topic despite neither forgetting about it or being busy and how he has been on every bandwagon in the shape of a vote or fos means im going to vote karel

You may have a point there. This seems like what a newbie scum would do. Although there is a lot of WIFOM involved, I think we should discuss this.

Who would have wanted nag dead? I'm gonna have to read back through the thread when i get the chance.

I read back... as far as I can tell, nagerous wasn't really a threat to anybody. he put a random vote on Falkomagno (because "he didn't know him yet" ) and a vote on me.

From the quotes sam posted, the vote on KP wasn't just a vote. It seemed like nagerous had a strong opinion that you were being scummy. KP tried to make his vote sound trivial. Vote: KP because I want to see him respond to sam's accusations.

Finally! An opinion-ish! But then he goes and ruins it all by saying "sam's accusations" once again distancing himself from his own vote.

First off, Unvote. I believe KP adaquately defended himself.

Iliad is right regarding my push of Thezz. I thought MM would be online. He let his side down somewhat by not changing his vote.

Vote Thezz

As nothing has alleviated my suspicions of him, and if he flipped scum, the ones who voted him yesterday will be basically confirmed town (Me, Iliad, Falko).

What was the case against Thezz again? I looked back and found Falkomango's reasons for voting Thezz at the end of Day 1.

I would like to look i another direction.

Clive - 7 (william18, AceArtemis, Suspect101, Thezzaruz, Mr. Squirrel, Iliad, karelpietertje)

I would insist in lynch one of the obove.

unvote vote Thezz

Why thez? because is linked with iliad in that so weak case between MM and PMC.

So, Thezz was on the Clive bandwagon, and has sided with MM in the argument between MM and pmc. However, now that we know MM was town, we know that Thezz sided with a townie. Since I do not see pmc as being scummy at this point, I think we should look elsewhere for clues, unless you can convince me of your case against Thezzaruz.

Last line stinks of scum and non-commital, notice how he said he thinks I am town, this is the second time he has said that day 2.

I just read through this thread entirely, have some suspiciouns but before I voice them I would like to hear what the two above me have to say.

If you have something of substance to add, you might as well say it.

The last few pages have been nothing but straw-grasping and WIFOM arguments.
The case against Mr. Squirrel is that he was on the MM lynch wagon. I don't find Squirrel very scummy, because he probably just found MM more scummy than pmc before MM's claim, and was not online at the time of the claim to be able to change his vote. I would have switched my vote to Thezz if I was online at 4:19 am, when MM claimed.

Let me explain once more how I feel about the situation.

Scenario 1
First possibility: When Minister Macket got lynched, the scums just let all the townies screw up in killing eachother.
I must admit that I find this more and more possible, because those people are still not saying much, and they might be letting us screw up again.

Scenario 2
However, I still think this has been what really happened: The mafia knew that Minister Macket was Gandalf, and I think they specifically tried to kill him, seeing as Gandalf obviously had some special power that they wanted out of the way.
That's why I am looking at who voted for him.
hese are their names:
spiesr, pmchugh, AceArtemis, Mr. Squirrel

I find Scenario 1 more likely, because an experienced mafia player would not want to be the center of discussion the next day. As for Scenario 2, how the hell would the mafia know that MM was Gandalf? Usually, the mafia don't get that type of information. There may or may not be scum on MM's wagon. You are more likely to find inexperienced scum on Day 1 wagons than experienced scum. But while Mr. Squirrel is on that list, I don't find him very scummy.

The case against KP is that he was grasping at straws all day long. However, he's been trying to catch the scum all day, and always explained how he felt about the current game situation, even though his reasoning wasn't always the best. My opinion of KP is that he's just an inexperienced townie.

he is being defended by pmchugh all the time, so my thoughts are that they might be scumbuddies.

How many times do I have to say, because two players agree does not make them scumbuddies, look at me and clive yesterday.

It's not scummy when someone agrees with another person and doesn't find them scummy, but it is scummy when the two people have been constantly agreeing with each other through the entire game. I think it is too early to tell whether pmc and Squirrel are scumbuddies.

Now the icing on the cake, throughout the post (and in previous posts) he is sticking up for me and squirrel and dismissing KP's accusations then right at the end the end he changes tune and then calls us "scummy" leaving room to bandwagon us should the opportunity arise.

Ace only says who isn't scum, never to who is scum. This is very scummy because scum know who is town and therefore you know you are fine to say "XXX is town". However not once has he said who he thinks is scum, he's always reluctant to vote yet is always on every wagon agianst a townie.

[Suspect101]

I just read through this thread entirely, have some suspiciouns but before I voice them I would like to hear what the two above me have to say.

Really, you might as well not waste the time and drop them now before this things stalls.

I agree.

I feel the need to release information as this day is getting shorter and will hopefully explain things a little better. This is not my role and I do not know what to call the role other than whisperer. I have received information from this person (who I do not know, all I know is that this person is in this game, they have investigation powers, and they have the ability to tell someone else) in the night that PMC and karl are not part of the mafia. This is the reason in Day 2, even when PMC has pressered me and looked really scummy this game that I have not put my vote on him, even though I have been really tempted. This is also the reason that I have defended Karl. I have treid to elude to this in my posts, but I seem to have failed. I did not want this role to become known and tried to show that I knew what to do with the information in my vote/post but I failed there as well. I do not want to lynch a known non-maifa member. I do not know if they are town, all I know is that they are not mafia.



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[pmchugh]

I just read through this thread entirely, have some suspiciouns but before I voice them I would like to hear what the two above me have to say.

Really, you might as well not waste the time and drop them now before this things stalls.

I agree.

I feel the need to release information as this day is getting shorter and will hopefully explain things a little better. This is not my role and I do not know what to call the role other than whisperer. I have received information from this person (who I do not know, all I know is that this person is in this game, they have investigation powers, and they have the ability to tell someone else) in the night that PMC and karl are not part of the mafia. This is the reason in Day 2, even when PMC has pressered me and looked really scummy this game that I have not put my vote on him, even though I have been really tempted. This is also the reason that I have defended Karl. I have treid to elude to this in my posts, but I seem to have failed. I did not want this role to become known and tried to show that I knew what to do with the information in my vote/post but I failed there as well. I do not want to lynch a known non-maifa member. I do not know if they are town, all I know is that they are not mafia.



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Intresting, I think you were right to reveal this. If it is not your role then you are in no danger and the information only helps town.

p.s. I should stop talknig to myself in this game

[Suspect101]

I just read through this thread entirely, have some suspiciouns but before I voice them I would like to hear what the two above me have to say.

Really, you might as well not waste the time and drop them now before this things stalls.

I agree.

I feel the need to release information as this day is getting shorter and will hopefully explain things a little better. This is not my role and I do not know what to call the role other than whisperer. I have received information from this person (who I do not know, all I know is that this person is in this game, they have investigation powers, and they have the ability to tell someone else) in the night that PMC and karl are not part of the mafia. This is the reason in Day 2, even when PMC has pressered me and looked really scummy this game that I have not put my vote on him, even though I have been really tempted. This is also the reason that I have defended Karl. I have treid to elude to this in my posts, but I seem to have failed. I did not want this role to become known and tried to show that I knew what to do with the information in my vote/post but I failed there as well. I do not want to lynch a known non-maifa member. I do not know if they are town, all I know is that they are not mafia.



******** PMC Fast Posted Me**********

Intresting, I think you were right to reveal this. If it is not your role then you are in no danger and the information only helps town.

p.s. I should stop talknig to myself in this game

well I did not want the role to be known, now the mafia know of a pwoer role that the town has.

[sam_levi_11]

wow in light of this, unvote, theres a lot to go through there.So you say you do not know who this person is. How do you get this information then, is it passed on by the moderator?

[spiesr]

I will be unavailable Saturday & most of Sunday & today. Sorry for any inconvenience.

Unvote Vote AA

I hope that you will discuss him to death while I am gone so I can make an inform decision when I return...