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by **F1fth** on Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:16 am

It's pretty clear there's a few things fishy about what GT is claiming and he hasn't done much to substantiate it. The biggest issue for me is that both shm and target, our biggest scum suspects, jumped on the Victor bus which GT of course started. I'm still waiting to get a final say before I vote and bring him to L-1.

by **got tonkaed** on Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:45 am

I think it is fair to admit that I may be wrong about Sully. The argument seems metagammy to me at the moment, but having just played with him as a cult recruiter, I guess I was more persuaded.

I can safely say the message was from a chief character, it is his kingdom of heaven line from the movie. It is possible he is a town mason or something to that extent, but I do not see why he would have denied sending something.

Either way the case against me pretty much depends on whether or not I was wrong for trying to out what I thought at the time was a cult recruiter. Perhaps I was incorrect there and should be lynched for it. I still believe it is possible that he is a cult recruiter, but it would go against the flavor of the game possibly upon further reflection. To that end I believe I previously unvoted him, which seems to have been mostly ignored by people pushing my lynch.

As far as my delayed postings and relative lack of information, that was due to being away from the game for a while, which is regrettable. I do not feel I am the only one who has committed such an error and do not feel it necessitates my lynch.

I do not think my original claim was all that fishy. I don't think it would be that surprising that someone would not want to claim the singing telegram girl, the motorist had similar apprehensions about claiming their role as well. Especially considering we did not put the character in the likely universe roles (if I remember correctly), I did not feel it made a whole lot of sense to jump right out and claim it at the beginning of the mass claim.

by **targetman377** on Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:08 pm

F1fth wrote:It's pretty clear there's a few things fishy about what GT is claiming and he hasn't done much to substantiate it. The biggest issue for me is that both shm and target, our biggest scum suspects, jumped on the Victor bus which GT of course started. I'm still waiting to get a final say before I vote and bring him to L-1.

I did cause I felt that was the biggest threat to down and as i already described what would Got tonked get from lying about it one more day? That to me seemed like a good idea to lynch him. I don't understand how i am considered scum. I am who i am. I am not lying about anything i agree with you shm is the one that i feel is the scumest so far.

by **VioIet** on Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:36 pm

Vote Count

Victor (1)- shm
Tonka (6) - Doomyoshi, Dazey, safari, freezie, Slash, Ben

With 16 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

by **Rodion** on Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:03 pm

I have 2 main concerns:

1 - Victor indeed being a cult recruiter
2 - someone sending GT a PM that was supposedly sent by Victor - after one dies and flips town, we automatically lynch the other (and get 2 townies lynched 2 days in a row)

Without cooperation we can't really know what's going on. There are, obviously, more possibilities other than 1 and 2 (like Victor being a town mason recruiter), but they are not harmful to us. I asked GT to at least differentiate the PM he got between the 2 models I gave him, so we could possibly outrule one of the possibilities (and fear of being modkilled is not an excuse, as GT had enough time to talk to the mods and know exactly what he was allowed to reveal and what he wasn't), but he instead chose to explain why he hadn't answered so far instead of actually answering the damn question. That considered, I'm willing to hammer GT in compliance with the threat I made some pages ago (an unfortunate event, as I'd rather get VS or SHM killed, but I gave my word and I have to abide by it).

Are we done discussing for today?

I'd suggest every "cleared townie" to disclose as much information as they currently have (and can disclose without harming the town, obviously), since they are the primary NK targets. I don't want to see them die before revealing all they knew just like Commander, Pyrhhus and Nark did.

by **safariguy5** on Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:00 pm

I'll check with Talapus to see if i have any night 1 information regarding weapons.

by **safariguy5** on Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:18 pm

safariguy5 wrote:I'll check with Talapus to see if i have any night 1 information regarding weapons.

Nope, falko missed any N1 investigations. I have nothing more to reveal about investigations or role pm information.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:17 pm

Like I've said before, I don't believe got tonkaed is scum, merely a townie falling prey to a misleading message. I do not support his lynch.

-Sully

by **gimli1990** on Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:57 am

i kinda agree with scully here but GT's answer did not answer any of our question's i am going to wait to vote on him for one more day to see if he respond's to rodian's model question. and hopefully more info on the PM i would prefer to lynch SHM over GT right now

GT you have until tomorrow night to respond or i will vote you.

all of the info i have is already in the thread.

by **gimli1990** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:37 am

well i saw GT on twice since i posted that and he did not respond as promised

VOTE GOT TONKA'D

by **VioIet** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:51 am

VioIet wrote:Vote Count

Victor (1)- shm
Tonka (7) - Doomyoshi, Dazey, safari, freezie, Slash, Ben, gimli

With 16 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

by / on Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:56 am

unvote, since we are doing this for a confirmation, we should also logically confirm as much info as possible. GT; if you are town, do you have anything helpful to add?
Are you vanilla?
Are there any additional references to anyone in your role PM?
What sort of back story do you have?

by **got tonkaed** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:13 am

since apparently i am going to be lynched here is the whole pm.

If i get modkilled I blame the group of people who cant figure out the concept of a google search.

Got Tonkaed,

You were trying to sleep last night when suddenly, you heard a voice. A visitor had come to give you the following message:

These are grievous times; death and deception surround us. These times necessitate protection - the Word of God! The kingdom of heaven is at hand! Repent and join me; receive the powers of the one true God!

Respond back to say whether you will Accept or Reject this message. The choice is yours.

Will I admit that in hindsight it is quite possible Sully is a mason recruiter, yes I will.

I do not have any special abilities. My back story is that I am the singing telegram girl which is again, something incredibly google searchable.

by **DoomYoshi** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:16 am

got tonkaed wrote:since apparently i am going to be lynched here is the whole pm.

If i get modkilled I blame the group of people who cant figure out the concept of a google search.

Got Tonkaed,

You were trying to sleep last night when suddenly, you heard a voice. A visitor had come to give you the following message:

These are grievous times; death and deception surround us. These times necessitate protection - the Word of God! The kingdom of heaven is at hand! Repent and join me; receive the powers of the one true God!

Respond back to say whether you will Accept or Reject this message. The choice is yours.

Will I admit that in hindsight it is quite possible Sully is a mason recruiter, yes I will.

I do not have any special abilities. My back story is that I am the singing telegram girl which is again, something incredibly google searchable.

It's not that we can't google. So Sully, what were you up to that night?

by **got tonkaed** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:20 am

oh, its that you have to be so pedantic about it that i probably get modkilled. Thanks for the clarification.

I literally said it was the chief's famous quote from the movie, which it is. I told everyone I had the opportunity to accept or denied ( and gave my answer) and explained pretty much everything about it that I could.

Other than "hurr...we don't believe you," what grounds is there for the incessant posting about how I have to tell you more or I will get lynched?

by **gimli1990** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:19 am

UNVOTE

by **gimli1990** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:21 am

Got Tonkaed,

You were trying to sleep last night when suddenly, you heard a voice. A visitor had come to give you the following message:

These are grievous times; death and deception surround us. These times necessitate protection - the Word of God! The kingdom of heaven is at hand! Repent and join me; receive the powers of the one true God!

Respond back to say whether you will Accept or Reject this message. The choice is yours.

alright from this how do you know it was scully sent this??

by **edocsil** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:28 am

Because he claims he is the Chief, a character who says those lines. We don't know for certain.

by **DoomYoshi** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:35 am

got tonkaed wrote:oh, its that you have to be so pedantic about it that i probably get modkilled. Thanks for the clarification.

I literally said it was the chief's famous quote from the movie, which it is. I told everyone I had the opportunity to accept or denied ( and gave my answer) and explained pretty much everything about it that I could.

Other than "hurr...we don't believe you," what grounds is there for the incessant posting about how I have to tell you more or I will get lynched?

The main grounds is that calling VS a cult recruiter is the most serious accusation you can make in this game. It is like if I told the police in RL that someone is a pedophile. I need to know what was in your mind that caused you to think that he is a cult recruiter. Seeing the actual pm, it still doesn't cause me to see where you figured that cult recruiter is the only possibility. I (and probably others) did google the quote. Rodion asked you a simple question and you never actually answered it.

So, I still want to lynch you for several reasons:
1) Making an almost baseless accusation in order to get a confirmed townie lynched; as town there is no reason to do this
2) Insulting players of the game and treating both the massclaim and any questioning of you in the lightest of terms (when they should've been taken seriously)
3) Continuosly avoiding questions and/or skimming
4) Inertia, changing votes takes a lot of work

However, I will unovte vote shm, as I feel we have almost gotten to the bottom of this.

Victor, you have denied that you have any recruiter based abilities. My vote may be on shm, but I am on a hairtrigger between voting you and voting shm. You are uberfosed right now.

by **F1fth** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:44 am

Sounds like a legitimate PM (I hope you can stay in the game GT). I wished you had mentioned that there was a bit more to it than the quote before it got to this point but what's done is done. But now that our accusation of cult recruiter is a bit less confident then before, we might need to reevaluate. To me, it seems there is something clearly fishy between GT and Victor though. I just can't buy that both are townies after what we went though (especially since we're still looking for a couple more suspects given the number of mafia roles we know we have).

However, what I propose is to leave that question later on so that investigative roles can do their magic (if we have any), and in the meantime we can pursue one of our surer lynches like shm or target.

Vote SHM

by **edocsil** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:48 am

F1fth wrote:Sounds like a legitimate PM (I hope you can stay in the game GT). I wished you had mentioned that there was a bit more to it than the quote before it got to this point but what's done is done. But now that our accusation of cult recruiter is a bit less confident then before, we might need to reevaluate. To me, it seems there is something clearly fishy between GT and Victor though. I just can't buy that both are townies after what we went though (especially since we're still looking for a couple more suspects given the number of mafia roles we know we have).

However, what I propose is to leave that question later on so that investigative roles can do their magic (if we have any), and in the meantime we can pursue one of our surer lynches like shm or target.

Vote SHM

There are no investigative roles.

I agree on the SHM bit however, let us leave this for another day, with any luck they may get accidentally killed anyways.

Unvote Vote SHM

by **got tonkaed** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:04 pm

It is a bit out there to claim that someone has to be guilty because you simply thought it earlier. Case in point, when I accused Victor of being a cultie it was based on imperfect knowledge. Having seen the movie (which apparently no one in this game has - and you should it is not that bad), I knew exactly who the character was that sent that message. Now, regrettably, not having all the time in the world to think it through, and under meta-game pretenses (POTC), it made perfect sense for a Sully recruiter to recruit me. This was the biggest reason I suspected cult recruiter, not the other obvious option, which would be some mason of some sort.

Having thought more about the game mechanics, there really is no reason for a cult to be here at all. Thus, I changed my tune on Sully. As Rocky once said, if I can change, you can change, we can all change.

I have already gone into the reasons why I was hesitant to be involved with the mass claim, as I felt my character was weak in terms of the in game universe. The motorist had similar concerns about claiming their role.

I do think voting for SHM is a sensible thing to do, as other than the protracted me and Sully bit, he has dropped scum tells.

To that end, Vote SMH

by **Rodion** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:13 pm

I don't think quoting the PM was actually necessary after I had basically broken the question down into "model 1 or model 2". :roll:

However, there were no " " (quotation marks) in the PM, so it's not as simple to see where the message ends and the mods start.

Victor, can you confirm that you sent this message yourself (it doesn't necessarily implicate you as the cult recruiter)?

If we drop this VS/GT convo (at least for now), SHM becomes the next best target.

Vote SHM.

That's L-3. If the "confirmed" townies want to share anything before night (as they are the obvious targets), they should say it now.

by **Rodion** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:14 pm

EBWOP for bold vote.

Vote SHM.

by **F1fth** on Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:20 pm

got tonkaed wrote:It is a bit out there to claim that someone has to be guilty because you simply thought it earlier. Case in point, when I accused Victor of being a cultie it was based on imperfect knowledge. Having seen the movie (which apparently no one in this game has - and you should it is not that bad), I knew exactly who the character was that sent that message. Now, regrettably, not having all the time in the world to think it through, and under meta-game pretenses (POTC), it made perfect sense for a Sully recruiter to recruit me. This was the biggest reason I suspected cult recruiter, not the other obvious option, which would be some mason of some sort.

As this part seems to be directed at me, my response is fair enough.

I have indeed seen the movie however, and Tim Curry is wonderful in it. That's why I don't believe Target. There's never been a Mr. Boddy's personal chef in any medium of Clue except for Mrs. Ho. There's also nothing this game to suggest that there's two chefs, despite the little bit of flavor he quoted.

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