[UNKNOWN] Mafia Day 5 - The Disappearance [Abandoned]

[Commander9]

karelpietertje is being replaced by gimli1990. Also considering prodding a couple of others.

[strike wolf]

It seems to go well beyond just medieval or at least Shakespeare post-dates the medieval period and at least one player has dropped a hint that his character could be even more recent. So long story short I looked for a couple hours but I can not figure out how The Knights Templar specifically Henry falls in with the theme specifically and Godfrey led to a multitude of information about him but nothing that seems to point me in the right direction beyond that he was a founding member.

On the other hand looking for henry's brother jacque did reveal a french philosopher who authored a few books but that would take the theme into philosophy as well...

[safariguy5]

Some sort of medieval setting yes, but how do we connect the Knights to the shadow?

Illuminate? Good mysterious bad guys.

Illuminati? Good lord, don't tell me Com9 ripped half his characters from Dan Brown books...

[gimli1990]

confirm

just to let everyone know now i am new to the whole mafia thing but i will do my best.

[shieldgenerator7]

welcome!

[strike wolf]

confirm

just to let everyone know now i am new to the whole mafia thing but i will do my best.

He's trying to play the newbie card! Quick lynch him!

I mean welcome to the game.

[safariguy5]

confirm

just to let everyone know now i am new to the whole mafia thing but i will do my best.

He's trying to play the newbie card! Quick lynch him!

I mean welcome to the game.

Watch out, or Fircoal is going to make a vigorous defense of him.

[gimli1990]

hey just because i am new does not mean that i need to get lynched.

strike wolf

[gimli1990]

oops i meant

VOTE Strike Wolf

[Commander9]

Illuminati? Good lord, don't tell me Com9 ripped half his characters from Dan Brown books...

There are absolutely 0 characters from Dan Brown books and I don't believe I've done anything that would have anything to do with him. Not a big of his...

[Bleed_Green]

Rodion... Since it looks like you have a pretty strong grasp on theme. I am going to go through what I noted down and reading of Wiki pages to try and see how this all pulls together and hopefully we can start looking in the right direction.

Okay so the D1 Romeo has died, nam came out to claim as Juliet (leading to believe Romeo & Juliet possible theme) however when Romeo died, Juliet did not, everyone started to speculate what is going on with the lovers triangle. Later Com.9 made mention that she is still very much a part of the game and is not updating for one reason or another. Possible poison role with Romeo's death has her sleeping for at this point. When she awakes she could possibly die after finding out Romeo is dead (after wait to see what happens here)

N1 we seen Henry Chevalier's demise for Saving Godfrey. This bringing to light of the Knights Templar. There was a mysterious shadow that was attempting to kill Godfrey. Godfrey was writing home about being committed to a cause, as well that they were here to cleanse the world from Evil. (Does this remove them from the possibility of being mafia, could be cult or town(My character has nothing to do with the Knights Templar and I am 100 % pro-town)) Godfrey makes mention of Grand Master. (from my reading on Godfrey he was some what a founder of the Knights Templar with his cousin Huses de Payan which looks to be credit for being the founder) time frame of the Crusades.

Now my character Dante - an Italian Poet from the Middle Ages, was not created for his writing until the Romantic Era. Has no interactions with the above scenes, the only somewhat connection is that he was considered to be one of the great writers along with Shakespeare(Only Connection to Romeo & Juliet, do not know if that is a Shakespeare in this game). From what I can tell from his writing he never wrote anything on the knights templar and the crusades. Only connection with the Knights Templar is that you was alive around the time of the crusades end.

Romeo & Juliet could be dated from the 1200 to 1600, Dante is 1200 to 1300, Knights templar 1100 to 1300. As it has been noted that characters can be well past this timeline.

Things missing are:

Who the Shadow figures were that killed Henry and went after the Godfrey. In the crusades period the Knights had numerous battles over Jerusalem and enemies.The name that comes up the most is Saladin.

What is happening with Juliet.

Still I do not have a good explanation on the theme and where this is going.

Rodion does this sound about right? And everyone else do you see what we are dealing with or what you think is going on here.

[gimli1990]

after rereading the treard i will unvote for now

[strike wolf]

So in the short run I am giving up on my theory not because it has been disproven. Just that as of now with all the round about trying to research whether or not it fit did I feel I cannot prove it at this point.

So what's the point all of this? Admittedly from a simple case building perspective this is fairly weak. I could add that she has defended saf but I am not convinced by the case on saf nor do I see her defending saf as much as she is setting her sights on freezie. My point is that I do not find this behavior very typical of vio as town. She has remained mostly isolated from discussion that does not meet some agenda that she seems to have and usually I see her go against at least one day one lynch based on some reason or another. Here she really stayed out of the way of most wagons. Admittedly she did miss a lot of the shield and other day one wagons, but she has had no comment about nam, rodion's case on bleed, target and she's only commented on saf as much as it seems to affect some agenda she has against freezie.

I was inactive for most of Day 1's discussions. its a bit hard for me to follow and comment on, especially after the fact. This game left me rather quickly and it still does.

I can however comment on what I do understand.

So you asked for:
Comment @ nam : absolutely nothing
rodion's case on bled: it was weird, and i don't like Shakespeare- so i don't really follow
target: i've said nothing about him.
saf: I've seen nothing wrong with his game play so far, and wondered why freezie was being so hard on them.
hidden agenda on freezie: yes this is true

Now the topic shifts towards Dan Brown, and I don't know who that is. Nor what he has to do with this game. I will comment when I can, and if I figure something out.

Dan brown is the guy who wrote the da vinci code, angels and demons and all those books.

Vio I can see a couple of your points in your post but I do not really see my motivation to unvote based on you still have said nothing about target or nam and your defense to having a hidden agenda against freezie is that I was right in that assumption whichmakes your statements about saf fall in line with what I had already speculated them as regarding freezie's involvement.

[Rodion]

Rodion... Since it looks like you have a pretty strong grasp on theme. I am going to go through what I noted down and reading of Wiki pages to try and see how this all pulls together and hopefully we can start looking in the right direction.

Okay so the D1 Romeo has died, nam came out to claim as Juliet (leading to believe Romeo & Juliet possible theme) however when Romeo died, Juliet did not, everyone started to speculate what is going on with the lovers triangle. Later Com.9 made mention that she is still very much a part of the game and is not updating for one reason or another. Possible poison role with Romeo's death has her sleeping for at this point. When she awakes she could possibly die after finding out Romeo is dead (after wait to see what happens here)

N1 we seen Henry Chevalier's demise for Saving Godfrey. This bringing to light of the Knights Templar. There was a mysterious shadow that was attempting to kill Godfrey. Godfrey was writing home about being committed to a cause, as well that they were here to cleanse the world from Evil. (Does this remove them from the possibility of being mafia, could be cult or town(My character has nothing to do with the Knights Templar and I am 100 % pro-town)) Godfrey makes mention of Grand Master. (from my reading on Godfrey he was some what a founder of the Knights Templar with his cousin Huses de Payan which looks to be credit for being the founder) time frame of the Crusades.

Now my character Dante - an Italian Poet from the Middle Ages, was not created for his writing until the Romantic Era. Has no interactions with the above scenes, the only somewhat connection is that he was considered to be one of the great writers along with Shakespeare(Only Connection to Romeo & Juliet, do not know if that is a Shakespeare in this game). From what I can tell from his writing he never wrote anything on the knights templar and the crusades. Only connection with the Knights Templar is that you was alive around the time of the crusades end.

Romeo & Juliet could be dated from the 1200 to 1600, Dante is 1200 to 1300, Knights templar 1100 to 1300. As it has been noted that characters can be well past this timeline.

Things missing are:

Who the Shadow figures were that killed Henry and went after the Godfrey. In the crusades period the Knights had numerous battles over Jerusalem and enemies.The name that comes up the most is Saladin.

What is happening with Juliet.

Still I do not have a good explanation on the theme and where this is going.

Rodion does this sound about right? And everyone else do you see what we are dealing with or what you think is going on here.

Alright, you specifically requested to hear from me, so I'll throw some speculation around.

Dante's 13th and 14h century. There are, however, 2 Dantes: the Dante writer and the Dante character (the character that travels through hell etc in The Divine Comedy). Perhaps the distinction is not relevant, but I'd like to point that out anyway.

I don't think the shadow is Saladin. Saladin was a muslim leader (Sultan, I guess) that repeled some of the earlier Crusades. That means he has got a lot of Christian blood in his hands, but he was human. And I wouldn't go so far as to call him "evil". He was just a guy trying to defend his land from invaders (the Crusaders). We can see those arabs as antagonists because our western culture is eurocentric, but that's it.
There are human characters that could have been described as inhuman because of their great skills, such as King Arthur, Lancelot, Tristan, El Cid, Othello. They are all, however, viewed as honourable knights that would not "lurk in the shadows". I guess the shadow is a monters, perhaps Dracula as someone already speculated? It's important to realize that there are several Draculas, though. There's Vlad Tepes, a human romanian noble that was cruel enough to impale people (Vlad the Impaler) and there was the vampire you all (should) know from Bram Stoker.

That said, I'm not sure trying to piece the puzzles together now is really important. Doing so would only:
a) raise the bar as far as making a believable fakeclaiming
BUT
b) it would also let scum know how to make their fakeclaim more believable (provided they were not given one by the mod)

[Bleed_Green]

Rodion... Since it looks like you have a pretty strong grasp on theme. I am going to go through what I noted down and reading of Wiki pages to try and see how this all pulls together and hopefully we can start looking in the right direction.

Okay so the D1 Romeo has died, nam came out to claim as Juliet (leading to believe Romeo & Juliet possible theme) however when Romeo died, Juliet did not, everyone started to speculate what is going on with the lovers triangle. Later Com.9 made mention that she is still very much a part of the game and is not updating for one reason or another. Possible poison role with Romeo's death has her sleeping for at this point. When she awakes she could possibly die after finding out Romeo is dead (after wait to see what happens here)

N1 we seen Henry Chevalier's demise for Saving Godfrey. This bringing to light of the Knights Templar. There was a mysterious shadow that was attempting to kill Godfrey. Godfrey was writing home about being committed to a cause, as well that they were here to cleanse the world from Evil. (Does this remove them from the possibility of being mafia, could be cult or town(My character has nothing to do with the Knights Templar and I am 100 % pro-town)) Godfrey makes mention of Grand Master. (from my reading on Godfrey he was some what a founder of the Knights Templar with his cousin Huses de Payan which looks to be credit for being the founder) time frame of the Crusades.

Now my character Dante - an Italian Poet from the Middle Ages, was not created for his writing until the Romantic Era. Has no interactions with the above scenes, the only somewhat connection is that he was considered to be one of the great writers along with Shakespeare(Only Connection to Romeo & Juliet, do not know if that is a Shakespeare in this game). From what I can tell from his writing he never wrote anything on the knights templar and the crusades. Only connection with the Knights Templar is that you was alive around the time of the crusades end.

Romeo & Juliet could be dated from the 1200 to 1600, Dante is 1200 to 1300, Knights templar 1100 to 1300. As it has been noted that characters can be well past this timeline.

Things missing are:

Who the Shadow figures were that killed Henry and went after the Godfrey. In the crusades period the Knights had numerous battles over Jerusalem and enemies.The name that comes up the most is Saladin.

What is happening with Juliet.

Still I do not have a good explanation on the theme and where this is going.

Rodion does this sound about right? And everyone else do you see what we are dealing with or what you think is going on here.

Alright, you specifically requested to hear from me, so I'll throw some speculation around.

Dante's 13th and 14h century. There are, however, 2 Dantes: the Dante writer and the Dante character (the character that travels through hell etc in The Divine Comedy). Perhaps the distinction is not relevant, but I'd like to point that out anyway.

I don't think the shadow is Saladin. Saladin was a muslim leader (Sultan, I guess) that repeled some of the earlier Crusades. That means he has got a lot of Christian blood in his hands, but he was human. And I wouldn't go so far as to call him "evil". He was just a guy trying to defend his land from invaders (the Crusaders). We can see those arabs as antagonists because our western culture is eurocentric, but that's it.
There are human characters that could have been described as inhuman because of their great skills, such as King Arthur, Lancelot, Tristan, El Cid, Othello. They are all, however, viewed as honourable knights that would not "lurk in the shadows". I guess the shadow is a monters, perhaps Dracula as someone already speculated? It's important to realize that there are several Draculas, though. There's Vlad Tepes, a human romanian noble that was cruel enough to impale people (Vlad the Impaler) and there was the vampire you all (should) know from Bram Stoker.

That said, I'm not sure trying to piece the puzzles together now is really important. Doing so would only:
a) raise the bar as far as making a believable fakeclaiming
BUT
b) it would also let scum know how to make their fakeclaim more believable (provided they were not given one by the mod)

Thank you Rodion,

I cannot see Dracula being the killer since the death of Henry was done by an arrow through the throat. Dracule (Bram Stoker) was a vampire that hunted and killed its prey but biting and sucking the victims blood, until either the die or turn. Vlad was however was a tyrant, as hit name states the imapler and by this I would assume that the death of henry would have been a little more gruesome but I guess he could have done, I would think unlikely.

[strike wolf]

You may want to reread the scene. The 'shadowy' figure whom it has been speculated is dracula was the failed kill. The one who killed henry was different carried weapons...

[edocsil]

Van Helsing anyone? Stalker, dark plans, arrows? IDK. IMO this flavor spec is useless, I only mention Van Helsing to make a point. We really have no idea what is out there. Lets go hang someone we think is scummy...

[Commander9]

Van Helsing anyone? Stalker, dark plans, arrows? IDK. IMO this flavor spec is useless, I only mention Van Helsing to make a point. We really have no idea what is out there. Lets go hang someone we think is scummy...

But it's very fun to read

[gimli1990]

i am starting to think there are a lot of things we are missing ( i am unsure about what i can reveal about my charactor so that is all i am going to say).

[Rodion]

i am starting to think there are a lot of things we are missing ( i am unsure about what i can reveal about my charactor so that is all i am going to say).

As far as rules go, I think you're allowed to reveal everything, as long as you do not use the exact words that Commander used when he sent you your PM.

[strike wolf]

however it is best not to unless you know it will help the town.

[gimli1990]

well i am going that i am a french person from the early 1400's then that is all.

[Rodion]

Joan of Arc?

[Commander9]

Vote Count

safariguy5 (3) - Target, Yoshi, ndrs
freezie
pancakemix (1) - Edoc
Streaker
ndrs
Edocsil
vioiet (1) - strike
targetman377 (1) - Streaker
TheSaxlad
naxus
Iliad
DoomYoshi
gimli
Rodion
blakebowling
jeraado
sheepofdumb
ShaggyDan
nagerous
Strike Wolf
Fircoal
Bleed_Green (3) - Rodion, freezie, naxus
Namliam

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

DISCLAIMER: I want to see unvotes as well as it makes it much easier for me. I may soon stop counting votes without these. Thank you for your cooperation.

DISCLAIMER #2: I will not put in a deadline as activity has been very good, but I may consider it if it diminishes.

[strike wolf]

And this is the very reason I am not more encouraged by the bleed wagon. Why are you pressing information out of him for no reason rodion? You know enough to know that allowing information to be spilt from random town individuals can be very bad.