[Endgame] Firefly Mafia

[DoomYoshi]

Yes and I would not have role claimed if I hadn't known you to be saying that was the case. I think we are in good standing with the com wagon right now so before we rush the lynch do people want to talk about other suspects?

I definitely think you and I are the only completely cleared people so far. While you said you were 1-shot investigative only, I think I'm probably high on the NK list as both mafia and SKer must be concerned. I kinda doubt getting a doc protection as our doc is dead, so maybe we should come up with a list of possibly suspicious people and I'll choose one and pray they're not town. I think there's a greater than 50% chance I don't live through the night with 2 NK's probable.

I put in blue if I am pretty sure they are town...
1. Mandalorian
3. Streaker
4. Safariguy5
6. Sheepofdumb
7. Anarkistsdream
8. Fircoal
9. Commaner9
10. ShaggyDan
11. Soundman
12. Iliad
13. VioIet
14. Nagerous
15. Campin Killer Replaced by DoomYoshi
16. Strike Wolf

Of those remaining, I would say Mandy was very suspicious day 1 but managed to slip to the sidelines somehow...
The Violet and Iliad thing needs to be investigated tonight perhaps.

unvote vote Commander9

[strike wolf]

Yes and I would not have role claimed if I hadn't known you to be saying that was the case. I think we are in good standing with the com wagon right now so before we rush the lynch do people want to talk about other suspects?

I definitely think you and I are the only completely cleared people so far. While you said you were 1-shot investigative only, I think I'm probably high on the NK list as both mafia and SKer must be concerned. I kinda doubt getting a doc protection as our doc is dead, so maybe we should come up with a list of possibly suspicious people and I'll choose one and pray they're not town. I think there's a greater than 50% chance I don't live through the night with 2 NK's probable.

I put in blue if I am pretty sure they are town...
1. Mandalorian
3. Streaker
4. Safariguy5
6. Sheepofdumb
7. Anarkistsdream
8. Fircoal
9. Commaner9
10. ShaggyDan
11. Soundman
12. Iliad
13. VioIet
14. Nagerous
15. Campin Killer Replaced by DoomYoshi
16. Strike Wolf

Of those remaining, I would say Mandy was very suspicious day 1 but managed to slip to the sidelines somehow...
The Violet and Iliad thing needs to be investigated tonight perhaps.

unvote vote Commander9

Heh. Commander I believe is Early (based on behavior analysis and a bit of flavor spec on the scene (mal picking up the torn clothe that matches the colors of Early's space uniform and sayingthat he knew who did this). You are towards the top of my list of scum let's examine your post. Me and saf are obvious no need to get into that and nark and fircoal are also fairly clear choices to pick as town as the only other living townies to make a name claim.. Streaker comes out of nowhere he hasn't been particularly active and there's really been nothing to point either way other than a weak case about him being 5th on the naxus wagon. You pointing to him seems very odd. Shaggy is towards the top of my scum list, most of the case was stated yesterday but you may also want to note his sudden reversal on his opinion of the Jayne role after nark claimed. You bandwagoned pretty immediately after you jumped in the game and there is your end of the day behavior to consider. Now you are making a list of possible townies. I can maybe see this as an attempt to put a positive light on at least one of your scum buddies. Possibly both. Though the more advanced logic would say that one is a town role you've thrown in as a smoke screen. fos doomyoshi shaggy and streaker

[DoomYoshi]

At the end of day 1, I labelled Commander9 the number one candidate for scum. You obviously believed me as you investigated him that night. I thought shaggydan had claimed already for some reason. Streaker has been fairly quiet but seems like town to me based on his day 1 activity. The others either have not given enough input to finger either way. Perhaps it would have been better if I had included different shades for the townies based on how sure I am.

The shaggydan wagon made sense at the time I joined. I know I wasn't on the naxus wagon, but I would've been on that one too if I was in the game at that time. You can use that for your case on me if you want. I would not have joined the fircoal wagon, but I didn't believe fircoal's case on nagerous either.

I originally thought that you were working with commander on day 1. Turns out that you aren't... I just want to make sure your suspicion of me isn't just a OMGUS. Finally, even though you and nag got all cranky when I voted Iliad, you never considered the reason we would be able to speedlynch him is his inactivity. By voting Violet, you were also giving her no chance to claim, as she is pretty low activity level also. I don't see how the two cases were all that different.

[VioIet]

At the end of day 1, I labelled Commander9 the number one candidate for scum. You obviously believed me as you investigated him that night. I thought shaggydan had claimed already for some reason. Streaker has been fairly quiet but seems like town to me based on his day 1 activity. The others either have not given enough input to finger either way. Perhaps it would have been better if I had included different shades for the townies based on how sure I am.

The shaggydan wagon made sense at the time I joined. I know I wasn't on the naxus wagon, but I would've been on that one too if I was in the game at that time. You can use that for your case on me if you want. I would not have joined the fircoal wagon, but I didn't believe fircoal's case on nagerous either.

I originally thought that you were working with commander on day 1. Turns out that you aren't... I just want to make sure your suspicion of me isn't just a OMGUS. Finally, even though you and nag got all cranky when I voted Iliad, you never considered the reason we would be able to speedlynch him is his inactivity. By voting Violet, you were also giving her no chance to claim, as she is pretty low activity level also. I don't see how the two cases were all that different.

I don't think my activity has been low this game. I was very Loud on Day 1, and of course not as much on Day 2, but i have posted about as much as you have.

I also agree with strike- that your list of townies should only be those who have claimed already.

[safariguy5]

At the end of day 1, I labelled Commander9 the number one candidate for scum. You obviously believed me as you investigated him that night. I thought shaggydan had claimed already for some reason. Streaker has been fairly quiet but seems like town to me based on his day 1 activity. The others either have not given enough input to finger either way. Perhaps it would have been better if I had included different shades for the townies based on how sure I am.

The shaggydan wagon made sense at the time I joined. I know I wasn't on the naxus wagon, but I would've been on that one too if I was in the game at that time. You can use that for your case on me if you want. I would not have joined the fircoal wagon, but I didn't believe fircoal's case on nagerous either.

I originally thought that you were working with commander on day 1. Turns out that you aren't... I just want to make sure your suspicion of me isn't just a OMGUS. Finally, even though you and nag got all cranky when I voted Iliad, you never considered the reason we would be able to speedlynch him is his inactivity. By voting Violet, you were also giving her no chance to claim, as she is pretty low activity level also. I don't see how the two cases were all that different.

I don't think my activity has been low this game. I was very Loud on Day 1, and of course not as much on Day 2, but i have posted about as much as you have.

I also agree with strike- that your list of townies should only be those who have claimed already.

Yes, I think Yoshi is jumping the gun on a few people here, namely himself and streaker and shaggydan. Pulling a ga7 if you will.

I shy away from acting on the Iliad/Vio case as I've pretty much nailed Vio's life to Iliad flipping scum, and I'm not particularly convinced he is and having Vio lynched over that could put us two townies down rather quickly with low possibility of exposure of mafia. Will consider the options that strike laid out though, his opinion is the most trustworthy to me right now.

Strike, do you have any preference? We might pressure someone for a lynch today and if their claim sounds a bit odd, I'm fine with trying to shoot them tonight and move on to someone else.

[strike wolf]

I plan to post in more detail tomorrow but right now beyond commander I consider yoshi and shaggy the most likely scum. So I would be fine with a vig kill on either one.

[Fircoal]

Vote: Commander If Strike, a confirmed town, truly got a guilty result on Commander, then he should be scum. With a role that appears in only 1 episode, I don't see a reason not to lynch him.

[ShaggyDan]

Sorry guys, I've been a bit too busy to be able to jump on all my threads at once so I've been sporadically keeping up to date.

So we have a confirmed Zoey and Mal with a confirmed investigation guilty result on Commander who is claiming to be a politician?

From what I could find as far as politician's role online: "A politician is a town-allgined role that can steal one person's vote each day phase."

Also, I'd like to know why I'm a supposed target for a vig-kill. And I would shy away vig-killing without a little more info on the targets. If the vig is indeed going to target me tonight I'll happily claim to remove suspicion.

Also Vote Commander which makes it 5 votes now I think. A guilty from a confirmed Mal is a pretty open and shut case IMO.

[strike wolf]

It is actually three once you discount the ones not made in red. It would be 6 overall unless I miscounted.

@shaggy: I am not in a rush to lynch commander just yet as I have seen the negative side of a rushed lynch even on confirmed scum quite recently. I will hopefully have time to make my full case tonight and you should have time to defend your position.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Also Vote Commander which makes it 5 votes now I think. A guilty from a confirmed Mal is a pretty open and shut case IMO.

? I don't think Strike ever said he got an actual guilty result, did he?

-Tails

[Anarkistsdream]

Sorry, still out of town... I will not be logging back in again until sometime tomorrow, so I feel bad wagonning without being able to read through the whole thread... Also, if Strike did not actually SAY he received a guilty result, I certainly won't vote.

[edocsil]

Vote Count
14 alive 8 to lynch

Tailgunner () ~
Streaker () ~
Safariguy5 () ~
Sheepofdumb () ~
Anarkistsdream () ~
Fircoal () ~
Commander9 (3) ~ Strike Wolf, DoomYoshi, ShaggyDan
ShaggyDan () ~
Soundman () ~
Iliad () ~
VioIet () ~
Nagerous () ~
DoomYoshi () ~
Strike Wolf () ~

Vio and Safari both didn't use red and their vote wasn't counted.

[strike wolf]

I investigated commander and the result said guilty

[Commander9]

I guess that's game over for me. Good luck and go Town. (If what, I'm not resigning and I'd definitely continue to play, but it looks like I'm not wanted anymore).

[safariguy5]

vote Com9

I'll make a decision on who to NK come nighttime, don't wanna tip my hand too soon eh strike?

[strike wolf]

At the end of day 1, I labelled Commander9 the number one candidate for scum. You obviously believed me as you investigated him that night.

I believed he was scum but I had my own reasons. Also like I said I find it less likely you two are aligned together but I do see him as a potential sk.

I thought shaggydan had claimed already for some reason. Streaker has been fairly quiet but seems like town to me based on his day 1 activity. The others either have not given enough input to finger either way. Perhaps it would have been better if I had included different shades for the townies based on how sure I am.

what I am saying is why label the townies at all? That is ok for people like me and saf even fircoal and nark if you believe their claims but you shouldn't have picked out streaker. And the fact you were able to get a read on him when he barely posted above people who posted a bit more regularly is odd to me.

The shaggydan wagon made sense at the time I joined. I know I wasn't on the naxus wagon, but I would've been on that one too if I was in the game at that time. You can use that for your case on me if you want. I would not have joined the

Fair enough this does not dissuade me from my point but the reasoning is decent.

I originally thought that you were working with commander on day 1. Turns out that you aren't... I just want to make sure your suspicion of me isn't just a OMGUS.

never was though I did find the timing of your case a bit odd. You said we had done a good job of avoiding each other right after we stepped on each others feet pretty hard for a good section of the previous pages.

Finally, even though you and nag got all cranky when I voted Iliad, you never considered the reason we would be able to speedlynch him is his inactivity. By voting Violet, you were also giving her no chance to claim, as she is pretty low activity level also. I don't see how the two cases were all that different.

Vio's activity levels are decent in this game and I feel she would have been able to claim. That being said I was for a no lynch at the end of day one. You voting iliad out of nowhere was very odd and seemed out of place as I could not see it developping into a sucessful lynch and what other reason would you have to vote? It was also in line with what one of the favored targets for scum was doing and while a small point it was still odd.

[safariguy5]

At the end of day 1, I labelled Commander9 the number one candidate for scum. You obviously believed me as you investigated him that night.

I believed he was scum but I had my own reasons. Also like I said I find it less likely you two are aligned together but I do see him as a potential sk.

I thought shaggydan had claimed already for some reason. Streaker has been fairly quiet but seems like town to me based on his day 1 activity. The others either have not given enough input to finger either way. Perhaps it would have been better if I had included different shades for the townies based on how sure I am.

what I am saying is why label the townies at all? That is ok for people like me and saf even fircoal and nark if you believe their claims but you shouldn't have picked out streaker. And the fact you were able to get a read on him when he barely posted above people who posted a bit more regularly is odd to me.

The shaggydan wagon made sense at the time I joined. I know I wasn't on the naxus wagon, but I would've been on that one too if I was in the game at that time. You can use that for your case on me if you want. I would not have joined the

Fair enough this does not dissuade me from my point but the reasoning is decent.

I originally thought that you were working with commander on day 1. Turns out that you aren't... I just want to make sure your suspicion of me isn't just a OMGUS.

never was though I did find the timing of your case a bit odd. You said we had done a good job of avoiding each other right after we stepped on each others feet pretty hard for a good section of the previous pages.

Finally, even though you and nag got all cranky when I voted Iliad, you never considered the reason we would be able to speedlynch him is his inactivity. By voting Violet, you were also giving her no chance to claim, as she is pretty low activity level also. I don't see how the two cases were all that different.

Vio's activity levels are decent in this game and I feel she would have been able to claim. That being said I was for a no lynch at the end of day one. You voting iliad out of nowhere was very odd and seemed out of place as I could not see it developping into a sucessful lynch and what other reason would you have to vote? It was also in line with what one of the favored targets for scum was doing and while a small point it was still odd.

Yeah, I really thought we had done enough damage on D1 and we paid the price for it by setting the doctor up perfectly for a NK. Rushing a lynch/claim made no sense to me either.

[DoomYoshi]

This is me admitting that your cases on me are valid. Another poor game for my record books. Before you vig kill me, will you at least allow me a claim?

[safariguy5]

This is me admitting that your cases on me are valid. Another poor game for my record books. Before you vig kill me, will you at least allow me a claim?

I haven't decided on who to vigkill, and it would happen at night. I think that you should think carefully about claiming because you're not guaranteed a doc protection if you are a town PR. And I don't want to encourage a massclaim at this point because there are 2 NKs out there and town could become very underpowered very soon.

[Fircoal]

Vote: Commander9

Cause I didn't do it in red last time.

[Streaker]

Apologies for my absence. I'll try to make it up on the next day

In retrospect, I'll agree it was a good move for Mal to come out. It should have saved at least 1 town life, and it provides a solid background to the case against commander.

Vote commander9

IF for some odd reason the guilty investigation against comm was innacurate, we'll have some information to reread.
I think lynching commander now is the best bet, especially with the guilty investigation.

[strike wolf]

Ok looking back through shaggy's posts the main part of my case was based on something I misread and while I am unconvinced he is town, I feel there is lack of reason at present for me to say he should be on the list of people who should be vig-killed.

[VioIet]

Vote Count
14 alive 8 to lynch

Tailgunner () ~
Streaker () ~
Safariguy5 () ~
Sheepofdumb () ~
Anarkistsdream () ~
Fircoal () ~
Commander9 (3) ~ Strike Wolf, DoomYoshi, ShaggyDan
ShaggyDan () ~
Soundman () ~
Iliad () ~
VioIet () ~
Nagerous () ~
DoomYoshi () ~
Strike Wolf () ~

Vio and Safari both didn't use red and their vote wasn't counted.

Gosh Mod. You accused me of being the pickiest mod ever in San Francisco, but you are right up there too

Vote Commander

[nagerous]

I'm finding this game hard to follow because of my lack of knowledge on the show and the characters involved which seems quite extrinsic to the plot. I think it may be better if I am replaced. Sorry edocsil.

[nagerous]

Also, with exams I haven't had as much time to dedicate to mafia games as I would've liked recently. Another 9 hours of exams next week which will really eat into CC time again.