CYOC #5 [5/16] ENDGAME [DINO DOWN]

[kwanton]

if we have a doctor would you kindly protect Skoffin tonight?

[DirtyDishSoap]

Seriously? Not a single soul here is going to look at TFO and the complete lack of activity from him?

Whatever.

Mod: Could you please poke TFO. Thanks. (Yes I realize this is in a different color, needed it to stand out).

I don't believe Skoffin is an SK, although the Oracle and Crier situation is definitely not helping. We can at least agree that the Oracle shouldn't be trusted. If anything, I feel like Skoffin should be cleared because I believe the Oracle is meant to either put a target on Skoffin or, if scum related, get her lynched. WIFOM territory homies, but I think both Skoff and Mandy (Whom is cleared) are dead ends.

There's a plethora of others that I think we're better off pursuing whom I believe are lurking (TFO aside whom I think at this point deserves a poke).

Thor, last post Saturday.
Benga, haven't seen him post yet for Days 2, although the red text is screwing with me.

Of those two, both can be considered pretty active in other games they have participated in. I've seen how Thor plays as scum, sort of, so I think the better candidate out of this is Benga.

Unvote Vote Benga

[mandalorian2298]

if we have a doctor would you kindly protect Skoffin tonight?

Agreed!

Definitely don't protect me, though I am to the object of hymns and limericks.





Also, I agree with DDS that it's time for all the inactives to activate themselves.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I withdraw the Thor candidate, it looks like he has been banned, again. (Seriously, replace this guy). His profile suggests that he is guested.

[strike wolf]

Not sure if I'm actually suspicious of Mandy or if I just have a bias against people who claim themselves proven town before it's actually proven.

Aight. Pika's next post needs to be just normal and red like everyone else otherwise I'll concede he is following a different set of rules and I'll vote him. WHAT SAY YOU, PIKU?

Is Mandy right about Pika's scum tendencies? That he tends to play aggressive and go with more WIFOM arguments as scum?

I got a PM last (irl) night from an anonymous voice that said that Skoffin is the Crier and that the spirit who was talking about Mandy is telling the truth.
I am not allowed to say anything else about the PM.

In light of that I'm willing to clear all three since this means the spirit that was talking about pika being hostile was either telling a lie or nonsense.

Also, pike if you don't like people asking for you to be replaced, then stop posting walls of spam

And now the game is getting weird.

Seriously? Not a single soul here is going to look at TFO and the complete lack of activity from him?

Whatever.

Mod: Could you please poke TFO. Thanks. (Yes I realize this is in a different color, needed it to stand out).

I don't believe Skoffin is an SK, although the Oracle and Crier situation is definitely not helping. We can at least agree that the Oracle shouldn't be trusted. If anything, I feel like Skoffin should be cleared because I believe the Oracle is meant to either put a target on Skoffin or, if scum related, get her lynched. WIFOM territory homies, but I think both Skoff and Mandy (Whom is cleared) are dead ends.

There's a plethora of others that I think we're better off pursuing whom I believe are lurking (TFO aside whom I think at this point deserves a poke).

Thor, last post Saturday.
Benga, haven't seen him post yet for Days 2, although the red text is screwing with me.

Of those two, both can be considered pretty active in other games they have participated in. I've seen how Thor plays as scum, sort of, so I think the better candidate out of this is Benga.

Unvote Vote Benga

So you want the mod to prod himself?

2. Voice told us Pika is hostile: This is clearly better proof for me, and other players who know that I am Town, for we know the spirit to be capable of truth-telling. It also sucks for Skoffster, since she is likely to be fragged during N2, so Skoffin, IF you agree with my reasoning, and you have gotten an investigative result of any kind so far, It might be be a good idea to share now while you still can.

[color=#FF0000]As tempting as it is to vote pika for his obnoxious way of rebelling against the also annoying pr, I can't see how to base your accusation off of the oracle. We got three statements and know one is always truthful one is always lying and one says whatever. We can't have the one calling you town and the one calling pika both be truthful, unless one is telling truth and the other is random nonsense that 'happens' to be right.

Is it possible to give Sam a pass for this one? It's obvious he meant to post in red and probably deleted the end by mistake.

@Crier: Did the mod tell you Mandy's role or did he tell you during your dinner with him? If the former, I'll go ahead and agree that Mandy is pretty much confirmed town.

[aage]

Seriously? Not a single soul here is going to look at TFO and the complete lack of activity from him?

Whatever.

I think you meant TWO... TFO is the mod.


Just for the record, I don't trust anonymous voices in the town, and I especially don't trust voices in other people's heads.

Mandy, I agree BuJ's argument is dumb, but I want to suggest the possibility that the two 'sources' claiming you are town need not be two sources. Could be the same guy making TFO post messages. The messages of both the 'crier' and the 'oracle' start with the exact same phrase: "An anonymous voice was heard throughout the town". And honestly the one person I'd suspect of pulling such an elaborate con is you.

Also, if I understand correctly you believe the oracle is legit, you believe the oracle was specifically telling the truth about both you and Skoffin, and you believe Kwanton's statement that a voice (which you apparently also trust) claimed Skoffin is the town crier.... wouldn't that make the oracle's statement about Skoffin true? And if it is, and Skoffin's investigation was correct, that would make you town... so that's two statements the oracle made which are true, which means the third one has to be false, which means Pika is actually NOT hostile. So why are you voting him? By your own logic, he should be town.

if we have a doctor would you kindly protect Skoffin tonight?

People trying to dictate town roles what to do are inherently suspicious imo.

fp by strike

[aage]

Also,

In regards to the voice about me; uhhh... okay mate, that's not even true tho. D:

I got a PM last (irl) night from an anonymous voice that said that Skoffin is the Crier and that the spirit who was talking about Mandy is telling the truth.

If Skoffin denies being the town crier (which should be an investigative role since the crier claimed mandy was town) it all falls apart anyway and I return to my original statements: voices in your head can't be trusted.

[TheForgivenOne]

Mod has poked himself. He giggled.

Vote Count:

kwanton: Pikanchion (1)
Pikanchion: mandalorian2298, metsfanmax (2)
benga: dirtydishsoap (1)

I'm keeping an eye on Thorthoth still. The Weird One has been prodded.

[mandalorian2298]

Aage, the ONLY reason why I'm even begun discussing my Town-prowenness is because of the context that it provides to Pika's vote on me and Bujaber's readiness to suspect me contrasted by his lack of suspicion towards Pika.

Furthermore, the last and perhaps only time that I claimed to be proven time was in Lion King when I was the main character (and even that was in the context of a role claim that prevented my lynch). That being said, I do understand that you may hold the grudge from the last time that I convinced you that I am Town Bus Driver and...that was sweet! I thank you for your grudge for it honors me greatly.

But, through no doing of my own, in this game I ended up as one of the most proven Townies that I ever saw. Consider all the things that have to be true, at the same time, for there to be a POSSIBILITY of me being other then Town:

1. Oracle Voice must be either lying or mistaken.
2. The Crier has to be lying or mistaken.
3. Kwanton has to be lying or mistaken.

Just for the fun of it, here is the most probable set of circumstences that would of all this to happen while I am NOT Town, as far as my imagination can reach:

The Oracle is unreliable, The Crier is either Scum (which is just totally unbalanced role) OR I am the Godfather and my powers include giving "Town" result not only to the classic Cop but also to the Crier. The Crier might or might not be Skoffin, but Kwanton MUST be my scum buddy who, despite the fact that I am in no danger whatsoever of being lynched felt the urge to invent an unorthodox mechanism by which he has been given knowledge Skoffin is Crier and the spirit spoke the truth about me being Town; which would have either be extra-stupid because Skoffin is our scum buddy and he has needlesly connected himself to two of his Scum buddies OR it woud be extra-stupid because Skoffin is NOT our Scum buddy and his attempt of proving me to be Town is based on a mechanism that needlesly includess something that Skoffin knows to be a lie.

And this is not even going into my Mafia meta which is based on fundation of "Stay far away from eachother. If someone gets made by Town, sacrifice him to gain strategic advantage" (which is based on Czulkang Lah's maxime, but I digress ) And you think that Skoff and Kwan whom I had played Mafia with for about a decade and who already know all this without me telling them, would ignore it for no benefit?

Dude, I'm Town. I'll probably get NKed N2 because I'm so well proven. Let's not waste the remainder of my in-game life debateing that.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Mod has poked himself. He giggled.

Vote Count:

kwanton: Pikanchion (1)
Pikanchion: mandalorian2298, metsfanmax (2)
benga: dirtydishsoap (1)

I'm keeping an eye on Thorthoth still. The Weird One has been prodded.

Thanks.

And she caught on to what I meant. Sorry, lack of sleep/having a cold is messing with my brain.

[kwanton]

My understanding of the voices/posts is that the crier is not an investigative role and it is a different role than the oracle. The crier was only able to confirm Mandy's alignment because of the dinner they had. Remember, Mandy was also able to confirm the role of the person he had dinner with.

The crier is also typing in a completely different style than the oracles.

It looks to me that the oracle is a cop with 3 investigations per night - essentially a sane cop, insane cop, and random cop in one role whose results get posted by the mod (similar to variant 4 of reporter here: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Reporter)

I'm thinking that Oracle is one person with 3 investigations since we just don't have the player count to support all those investigative roles. If it were separate people it would be 3 oracles, the crier, and Mandy as well (because if you think the crier is an investigative role, then Mandy must be as well)

Fastposted by Mandy. Logic is sound. This is getting into Wifom territory but I would have no reason to reveal this info at this point unless I was very sure that both Mandy and Skoffin are town and I wanted us to pursue a case that isn't a waste of time.

Really. Just trust me on this one. I will figure out the mechanics of this game same as I did in Pokemon. We are going to win. Town got super lucky night 1.

[TheForgivenOne]

Mod has poked himself. He giggled.

Vote Count:

kwanton: Pikanchion (1)
Pikanchion: mandalorian2298, metsfanmax (2)
benga: dirtydishsoap (1)

I'm keeping an eye on Thorthoth still. The Weird One has been prodded.

Thanks.

And she caught on to what I meant. Sorry, lack of sleep/having a cold is messing with my brain.

You just assumed MY gender? In 2017? Too bad the mod got modkilled, or you'd get modkilled.... Or something.

Gosh I'm kidding, relax.

[DirtyDishSoap]

[kwanton]

if we have a doctor would you kindly protect Skoffin tonight?

People trying to dictate town roles what to do are inherently suspicious imo.

On second thought I rescind that statement. The crier role isn't as important to us as I first thought it would be (sorry skoff )

[The Weird One]

I imagine whoever possess the ability of crier, who thinks his ability is dumb to begin with, is being quiet, I think we're better off looking at the players whom aren't active/lurking.

So for right now, Vote TheWeirdOne. I think I've seen him post like once.

Just PMed TFO asking to be replaced. I made a mistake in signing up for this game with my current schedule. Misestimated the time and coherency I had. Apologies to everyone.

[Skoffin]

Is everyone going to get a sekrit voice telling them I have a different role? Is this game actually just about me?

[Thorthoth]

btw, I'm still here. I was kept away against my will BY MONSTERS.

[Thorthoth]

And now for a more substantative post...

This game has become a swarming school of red herrings.

Here are a few things that we can do to simplify matters.
We can ignore the fact that there are three spirits. If the individual spirits don't identify themselves as such, we still only have one spirit/oracle for game purposes... and that spirit/oracle can either lie or tell the truth (just like everybody else...).

I am correct that oracle = spirit, but the Crier is a separate entity, right?

In any case, the Crier seems to definitely be player-controlled, but the spirit=oracle may or may not be mod-controlled.

For now, i'm going to ignore all the voices and maintain a no lynch stance. However I do want to get to the point where I can feel semi-confident in voting for a lynch candidate.

[Skittles!]

with the idea of a 'dinner' happening between the crier and Mandy at night, it screams someone being a Chef. I had a Chef role in my most recent game, which I accidentally made super OP for the first night. This means that the crier knows what Mandy's role is, and the chef knows who the crier is, but Mandy knows neither because we haven't had anyone role claim those roles.

Also I essentially agree with Kwan's statements.

[TheForgivenOne]

HotShot53 has replaced The Weird One

[Thorthoth]

with the idea of a 'dinner' happening between the crier and Mandy at night, it screams someone being a Chef. I had a Chef role in my most recent game, which I accidentally made super OP for the first night. This means that the crier knows what Mandy's role is, and the chef knows who the crier is, but Mandy knows neither because we haven't had anyone role claim those roles.

Also I essentially agree with Kwan's statements.

What is a 'Chef'? The Mafia Wiki is failing me.
btw, I'm also going to try out a darker shade of red.

[BuJaber]

Mandy we now have both you and skoffin confirmed and since skoffin didn't refute it we also have kwanton confirmed. That has to mean that "Pika is hostile" was a lie. So you really think he's scum but be not hostile? Not sure what kind of role that would be.

Anyway I'll Vote mitch for my super awesome meta read. He always votes in the same way as scum. (With an underlying tone of anger and intimidation)


Full disclosure skoffin there was a part of me that really wanted to be right about you being SK because that would have been awesome to catch based on one post in day 1.

[Skoffin]

Which post D1?

I'm not a crier either so I'm keen to know why every role seems to revolve around making shit up about me.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Which post D1?

I'm not a crier either so I'm keen to know why every role seems to revolve around making shit up about me.

Sounds like something an SK would say. Huehuehue

[Skoffin]

I'm just a Sk-offin