Streaker's F11 Game Over (4/9) MAFIA WIN (archive plz)

[Epitaph1]

If Tim is town, then bos is cleared and I would look at skw. He's pushed Tim from the beginning of the day while the rest of us have himmed and hawed and given a lot of consideration to the possibility of him being framed.

If Tim is scum, then bos is very suspect in my mind. Partly because that's who Tim cleared. But also this:

@ Boss don't understand your statement " it is difficult to vote someone off who GUESSED correctly that I am town. If Tim was cop there would be no guessing, and if he was scum he would know who was town or scum and he could just throw anyones name outthere why yours? is he trying to throw us off your scent or what?

Even mitch didn't buy her incredulity that Tim cleared her.

fpd

[madmitch]

so what do you think Epi should we leave the vote on Tim and see who hammers ?

[bosaardbeitje]

If Tim is town, then bos is cleared and I would look at skw. He's pushed Tim from the beginning of the day while the rest of us have himmed and hawed and given a lot of consideration to the possibility of him being framed.

If Tim is scum, then bos is very suspect in my mind. Partly because that's who Tim cleared. But also this:

@ Boss don't understand your statement " it is difficult to vote someone off who GUESSED correctly that I am town. If Tim was cop there would be no guessing, and if he was scum he would know who was town or scum and he could just throw anyones name outthere why yours? is he trying to throw us off your scent or what?

Even mitch didn't buy her incredulity that Tim cleared her.

fpd

Because I am not scum, I accidentally reasoned from Vanilla Townie perspective and the only one who can answer those questions is Tim.

[bosaardbeitje]

EBWOP Wouldn't it be funny if Epi and Tim are scum together and now sacrificing one over the other?

[madmitch]

then whats keeping you from taking Tim out?

[bosaardbeitje]

Stop pushing!

[ptlowe]

Looks like a decision has been made. Mark my words: If we get this one wrong, you may want to look into Epi and Ptlowe.

Funny aage said the same thing about you.

[ptlowe]

Do we really have Tim at L-1 right now there are 2 more days....if it was someone else Tim would have hammered. I got a strong read on epi for being town. Thats what i think. If tim flips mafia maybe we consider him but will have to look at all of the evidence again. I dont believe Tim is town but not going to quit early in case more clues come up.

[ptlowe]

Correction if tim flips from mafia to town. Of tim is mafia then bos is mafia. If tim is town then there i have a few suspects.

[madmitch]

@ BOS, I know,I know Ireally don't want to vote Tim out in case he is a cop, but what choice do we have ? we all still can't prove one way or the other. if we vote him out at least we know where we stand

[bosaardbeitje]

Looks like a decision has been made. Mark my words: If we get this one wrong, you may want to look into Epi and Ptlowe.

Funny aage said the same thing about you.

You're right, that IS funny!

[Epitaph1]

unvote

How about we walk through some scenarios since we have time left. And develop our other suspects.

If Tim is mafia/town, then. . .

[bosaardbeitje]

If Tim flips cop, then I am dead, because why would Mafia keep a confirmed Townie around? --> 3 vs 2

If Tim flips scum, another townie will die --> 4 vs 1
I will be the number 1 suspect going into D3 and will most likely get lynched and at night another Townie gets killed --> 2 vs 1

Am I right? And does that mean that we van still win on day 4?

[bosaardbeitje]

EBWOP

As I said earlier I don't think there is a role blocker, because I think it would have been used on Tim during the first night.

If Epi flips town - I die and Tim will be forced to come up with another fake report, say that he got blocked or clear his partner. Or maybe another Townie dies and Tim will give a fake read on that same person --> 3 vs 2
In case of the latter, you all will have great difficulty to decide whether to lynch Tim or me, and if you lynch me, Mafia wins.

If Epi flips scum - Tim is going to die --> 4 vs 1 If Tim doesn't die, both of them are scum.

Okay, I think that did it. I don't want to take the risk of going into the scenario where Mafia could win, but I am going to wait with my vote until I hear from Rizky and make sure that I didn't miss anything.

[subtleknifewield]

Honestly, I am so confident Tim is scum, if he flips town I'm not sure I'm going to be able to trust what's left of my instincts after this. Obviously if he does, though and he IS the cop like he claimed, boss is cleared but is probably dead in the night. If Tim flips town and is not the cop, Boss isn't cleared, but I am still inclined to think is town from all previous play.

If Tim flips Scum, well, that paints a bulls-eye on Boss' back, though I am of the mind it is more scum deliberately creating a connection with a townie to create a mislynch.

[TimWoodbury]

unvote

How about we walk through some scenarios since we have time left. And develop our other suspects.

If Tim is mafia/town, then. . .

when i flip town it WILL be LYLO

[TimWoodbury]

Honestly, I am so confident Tim is scum, if he flips town I'm not sure I'm going to be able to trust what's left of my instincts after this.

your over confident with your read

[Streaker]

Voute count:

Subtleknifewield (0): Timwoodbury
Timwoodbury (2): Subtleknifewield, Epitaph1, madmitch
Epitaph (1): Timwoodbury, madmitch

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline 15 October 03.00 CC time (in about 24 hours from this post).
Currently TimWoodbury is at L-2.

[bosaardbeitje]

Rizky, where art thou?

[subtleknifewield]

Honestly, I am so confident Tim is scum, if he flips town I'm not sure I'm going to be able to trust what's left of my instincts after this.

your over confident with your read

Yes yes, we all know what you think of me by now. I was simply giving my views on what would happen in each case (should you flip town or scum), as requested.

[subtleknifewield]

Rizky, where art thou?

My guess is still trying to make up his mind.

[rizky_biznezz]

Sorry had a long day at work.. Seems like we are still at a standstill.. Gonna read all the comments and try and process my thoughts will comment again soon

[rizky_biznezz]

before i go thru again quick random poll.... if you were given the cop role would you be:

a)more likely to read the set up to see what you are up against and try narrow the setup down
or
b)less likely because you already know you are cop so the rest doesn't really matter

[bosaardbeitje]

Definitely A, but that's just me being the perfectionist that I am.

[subtleknifewield]

If I was the cop, I would simply focus on investigating the people I found most suspicious. Admittedly if I could I would try to narrow down the setup, but it's pretty near impossible to do that without giving the same information to the scum.

So in the end I would actually be less likely to focus on learning those because in the end the most important thing is finding the scum and keeping your identity hidden until it becomes absolutely necessary to claim.