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[*Pixar*]

my "get votes off clanmates was a joke!" Do you really think Epitaph would put us all as scum together? smh

I guess we really do have to lynch since no one likes my idea of no lynch. Lets get a claim on semp

unvote
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[got tonkaed]

Not voting for Sempai today after re-reading the thread. So without getting quote heavy, here is my read on the whole Sempai situation.

Early on Storr is heavy in character and confuses a few people. One of the notable things he says is that he has a read on Mtam (in character) which Sempai buys. Striker buys it too and asks Mtam to clear himself. When storr pushes sempai on finding death eaters he is implying he found one in Mtam and then chides him for not jumping, so being convinced by Storr, he jumps.

Me, always riding in to make things more confusing, assumes it is not merely a read but rather an ability, which causes Sempai to vote. Storr quickly backs off of this, and more or less gives up on lynching Mtam (which Mtam does an admirable effort of trying to get himself lynched by playing a power claim role d1).

Streaker on page 8 or 9 or so, starts to hint at the fact that Sempai has been flopping, when realistically he bought two different arguments 1) Mtam is scummy (storr and I) 2) It might not be a bad idea to lynch a third party survivor day 1 (debated for a few pages by a few folks).

I find it odd that Streaker has essentially made this case with storr and mtam as they danced around each other. Sempai did a bit of a WIFOM with lynching storr day 1, but it wasn't really pushing for an easy lynch (not like whatever we have bandwagoning him to like L5ish right now).

Talapus and Metsfan hop in to the thread and after re-reading everything so far, neither one of them appears to be all about that lynching Sempai noise. I'm also a little weary any time someone strongly states I am town, because I mean while that is all fine and good, it is an easy way to deflect if something bad happens to me eventually (well i sided with that pro-town hero guy and look what happened to him!).

I still think charm is where I would like my vote, but Streaker has me puzzled and I am not voting Sempai today, since he isnt scum.

[StorrZerg]

Seems like he did not claim vt. He just said no night action. ...

[got tonkaed]

Clarification/explanation is my usual form of defense in arguments, but I guess that's not going to work here (and maybe that's why I never win arguments. Hmm) - especially since I just seem to be tripping myself up and getting you guys tangled in the web I inadvertently weaved for myself. So, I guess I can't fault you guys for voting me, but you are barking up the wrong tree - I'm town, with no night action, so you're not going to get much info from lynching me.
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Except for when he did say he was town. I mean why ya gotta go so hard on a guy, when it was your joke voting case that got him in so much trouble to begin with? If Mtam was never a death eater according to you, does any of this happen?*

*The answer is no.

[Metsfanmax]

Talapus and Metsfan hop in to the thread and after re-reading everything so far, neither one of them appears to be all about that lynching Sempai noise. I'm also a little weary any time someone strongly states I am town, because I mean while that is all fine and good, it is an easy way to deflect if something bad happens to me eventually (well i sided with that pro-town hero guy and look what happened to him!).

In case this is aimed at me: I want it to be absolutely clear that I am not strongly stating you are town. For the first few pages I was raging at you and was sure I would vote you by the time I got to page 18, but then you made enough posts that weren't objectionable that I lost my intention of doing so. And then I read charm's post, thought "ok, that's pretty scummy," and saw you point out the same thing almost immediately. I think pointing it out is a town-aligned action, but that doesn't make you town, since smart scum could play like town early on to win points.

[got tonkaed]

It's Streaker. He was the one, who was going to lynch anyone who thought I wasn't town.

I have nothing to go off of with you other than the reads you made catching up, which I find logical. I am hoping you continue to post!

My biggest fear is that Streaker is some kind of godfather character here and storr or Mtam are just ways for him to look good. It probably is an unfounded fear, but we probably have a mafia and likely some kind of third party (maybe the voldemort deniers or whatever in the middle of the series) and Streaker being able to play off a storr as a third party player who looks townie, is bad news bears for town.

[StorrZerg]

Clarification/explanation is my usual form of defense in arguments, but I guess that's not going to work here (and maybe that's why I never win arguments. Hmm) - especially since I just seem to be tripping myself up and getting you guys tangled in the web I inadvertently weaved for myself. So, I guess I can't fault you guys for voting me, but you are barking up the wrong tree - I'm town, with no night action, so you're not going to get much info from lynching me.
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Except for when he did say he was town. I mean why ya gotta go so hard on a guy, when it was your joke voting case that got him in so much trouble to begin with? If Mtam was never a death eater according to you, does any of this happen?*

*The answer is no.

Joke vote or real vote does it matter? No. What matters is how he saw the case and how he reacted to it. Fyi it wasn't a joke vote. I was pressuring tambo. I got a reaction, and he gave a response.

I gave a specific reason as to why I called him scum.

@tambo when you going to comment on charm?

@got, don't be paranoid on day 1. It's dumb. People scum hunting and generating conversation is good (and active)

All it does is hurt pressure on cases. We need pressure generate information.

Find a better person to pressure rather than attacking streaker because you are paranoid.

[got tonkaed]

Mtam should come in and comment I agree.

What matters is he wasn't voting Mtam, you chided him into it, and then call him out for being able to be convinced. You are the guy pushing a bandwagon there and once you decide it isnt worth it, now all the sudden everyone who believed you is scum?

We are pressuring a bad case. We should stop pressuring a bad case. If Mtam wants to comment on charm by all means, otherwise Streaker is a big dobby and can post for himself. He was the one who cemented the bad case, and he should explain himself.

[HotShot53]

This game is already up to 19 pages and still in day one... takes so long reading posts that I seem to always run out of time to actually make a post lol. It's also hard to keep track of everyone, so I really want to do one of my lists... but a 24 person list is going to take more time than I have right now... maybe tonight or tomorrow I'll have time for one.

degaston's more recent posts have sounded more towny to me, and my initial "case" wasn't much of anything, was just something to start day 1 with, so I will unvote

For the recent discussions, Semp's changing stories does seems suspicious, combined with his non-action night claim. Are you claiming pure Vanilla Town, or do you just mean no actions, but you still have a role like bulletproof or something? Based on all that, It seems likely that Semp will be the lynch today, as it's going to be hard to find a more suspicious/less risky lynch on day 1.

Before I jump on Semp's bandwagon though, it wouldn't hurt to look at another case or two first, since there is no deadline on day 1 yet. Charm's "game setup" post stood out to me, as it did to others... it's basically a waste of time to discuss role setup on day 1... who really cares if there are 3 scum and a recruiter or 5 scum and a SK or whatever else on day 1? It's pure speculation, and wouldn't influence anyone's votes anyway, so it's basically a waste of time and seems like she may have just been posting it to get posts in and seem like she's participating... for that reason I will vote charm

fp like 5 times...

[degaston]

Not voting for Sempai today...

So do you think we need someone else to claim so you can vote for them?
We have Storr/Filch claiming no powers.
Mtam claiming some kind of power that will presumably lead to more information on D2.
And now Sempai who made an unforced claim of "town with no night power" Can that be something other than VT? If he is scum, has he been given a cover name? Does that fact that he didn't give one mean that he doesn't have one and is afraid to make a claim on a name that is being used?

As I've said before, I'm generally in favor of getting more input from the lurkers because I think that will help things become more clear on D2, but I don't know the standard for when you have enough claims and decide that you have to pick one of them to vote for, or else "no lynch". I agree that the reasoning for the attention on sempai was pretty weak when it started, but in my first game, an unforced claim turned out to be a tell by a nervous/inexperienced scum.

[got tonkaed]

I wouldn't call Sempai and unforced claim. He wasn't at like L1 or anything, but he was/is to a certain extent, still being bandwagoned. Sempai had to put something out there, and while he might not be a Vanilla Townie, the case of him being scum is not so strong that a Vanilla Townie claim is silly and all of the sudden he is not a risky lynch.

As far as i know we want town to win right...so why is lynching someone who says they are town, better than lynching someone who says they are third party?

[StorrZerg]

Mtam should come in and comment I agree.

What matters is he wasn't voting Mtam, you chided him into it, and then call him out for being able to be convinced. You are the guy pushing a bandwagon there and once you decide it isnt worth it, now all the sudden everyone who believed you is scum?

We are pressuring a bad case. We should stop pressuring a bad case. If Mtam wants to comment on charm by all means, otherwise Streaker is a big dobby and can post for himself. He was the one who cemented the bad case, and he should explain himself.

I mean you are explaining why he is scummy.
he follows blindly, taking no regard for my accusation thinking I have a power of cop check.
I deny that, he stays on it. Specially after tambo hints his ability to kill me.
then he can't remember why he pushed tambo in the first place.

My original point was he wasn't looking for scum and was just pushing policy which doesn't help to find mafia, and i had made a case, and was generating content. He easily could have offered a read on someone else, or asked me to clarify what I was talking about.

You could defend him on points now that he is giving reads, and you could talk about that. He is being more of an open book now which I like. I would not be opposed to someone else to pressure.

Well Mrs.Norris looks like we have another goodie goodie student wondering the halls, maybe we should get mets to be a hall monitor. (Town read on mets)

@got, because I'm not playing scummy. I'm playing obviously selfish in my own interests to stay alive as 3rd party. ( and mtambo claims to be able to prove what i am) Mafia can lie about their alignment. ...... like that's the silliest thing I've heard this game today.

[aage]

Clarification/explanation is my usual form of defense in arguments, but I guess that's not going to work here (and maybe that's why I never win arguments. Hmm) - especially since I just seem to be tripping myself up and getting you guys tangled in the web I inadvertently weaved for myself. So, I guess I can't fault you guys for voting me, but you are barking up the wrong tree - I'm town, with no night action, so you're not going to get much info from lynching me.

You're not clarifying or explaining shit in your responses, you're actually dodging questions. Deflection was the word I was looking for earlier, thanks whoever posted that.

I'm a bit on the fence concerning lynching Sempai at the moment. His early claim is reasonable enough - his case was clearly advancing and since he says he's VT there's no real point to wait until he's actually on L-1 before saying that. Degaston is a bit suspicious for voting after he claimed because of the claim timing, it would've helped nobody if Sempai waited a few more rl days to claim. Madmitch and Pixar voting Sempai after his claim post (which is coincidentally the best post he's made so far) is a bit susp because they had been mentioned as scummy players by several others as well.

We have now 10 people voting for Sempai: Storr, Streaker, floyd, virus, myself, madmitch, charm, endgame, degaston and pixar. I fairly dislike how Degaston, Madmitch and Pixar jumped the wagon for no real or good reason, but I guess that just means lynching Sempai gives a better read on those three at least, so for now I will keep the vote on and wait for him to claim his character and mysterious passive power which some people are now speculating he has.


fp by Storr

[Endgame422]

I wouldn't call Sempai and unforced claim. He wasn't at like L1 or anything, but he was/is to a certain extent, still being bandwagoned. Sempai had to put something out there, and while he might not be a Vanilla Townie, the case of him being scum is not so strong that a Vanilla Townie claim is silly and all of the sudden he is not a risky lynch.

As far as i know we want town to win right...so why is lynching someone who says they are town, better than lynching someone who says they are third party?

Id like to hear sempais actual name. Hes at L-3(i think) right now with you defending him hard.
Who are you sempai?
A powerless student? Neville longbottom or something?
If scum wanted to end him they easily could have with fairly little suspicion. I mean 13 votes does not narrow the field very much especially when at least half of those votes for sempai are surely town.
FPed by aage/storr

[got tonkaed]

I agree, a name probably has to come out.

The issue with a game that might have multiple factions in it is that there is no real rhyme or reason to where the hammer is coming from. We might have the scummers on board already and its deadbeat townies not voting. To be fair I could end up being quite wrong about the whole thing.

It would be rather humorous if he ends up being the mafia godfather and here I am defending him the whole way.

[StorrZerg]

Sempai never claimed vt. Stop assuming his claim is vt.

He claimed to be town ( who wouldn't? I mean besides me ), and claimed No night action. There are plenty of roles that don't have night actions.

[degaston]

Degaston is a bit suspicious for voting after he claimed because of the claim timing, it would've helped nobody if Sempai waited a few more rl days to claim.

I had been trying to get more of the inactive players to make a few posts. In my only other game, I wanted to press more people after we had two claims, but was discouraged from that, and told that we essentially needed to decide between the two who had claimed. I don't know if that is standard across all games, or if it changes based on the number of players. (Can anyone clarify this?) But if the less active players know that they won't be pressured for a claim on D1 because we already have 2, then that hurts the town, in my opinion, so it would have been better for the town if he had just waited to see if more people joined in against him, or if the focus shifted to someone else.

I fairly dislike how Degaston, Madmitch and Pixar jumped the wagon for no real or good reason

I was defending him, but when he made a claim at L-6, I thought that was the scummiest thing I'd seen yet. That was a good enough reason for me.
If someone wants to correct me, and say that an L-6 claim is no reason to think that someone is scummy, and that we need more claims from other people before we decide, then I'll be happy to change my vote.

[Metsfanmax]

I had been trying to get more of the inactive players to make a few posts. In my only other game, I wanted to press more people after we had two claims, but was discouraged from that, and told that we essentially needed to decide between the two who had claimed. I don't know if that is standard across all games, or if it changes based on the number of players. (Can anyone clarify this?) But if the less active players know that they won't be pressured for a claim on D1 because we already have 2, then that hurts the town, in my opinion, so it would have been better for the town if he had just waited to see if more people joined in against him, or if the focus shifted to someone else.

I argue that it depends on game size. The 3 claims on D1 we just had in Double Fanucci were pretty bad for town, but in a 24 player game 3 claims isn't bad.

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

degaston - Strikewolf
StorrZerg - BGtheBrain, dazza
mtamburini - sempai
Ragian - mtamburini, dd
sempai - Storr, Streaker, floyd, virus, aage, madmitch, charm, Endgame, degaston, Pixar (L-3)
charm - tonkaed, HotShot

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

[degaston]

Sempai never claimed vt. Stop assuming his claim is vt.

He claimed to be town ( who wouldn't? I mean besides me ), and claimed No night action. There are plenty of roles that don't have night actions.

Such as?
I was 1 shot bulletproof in my other game, but looking at the mafia wiki, I don't see any other roles that would be town with no night action.

[skillfusniper33]

Not voting for Sempai today...

So do you think we need someone else to claim so you can vote for them?
We have Storr/Filch claiming no powers.
Mtam claiming some kind of power that will presumably lead to more information on D2.
And now Sempai who made an unforced claim of "town with no night power" Can that be something other than VT? If he is scum, has he been given a cover name? Does that fact that he didn't give one mean that he doesn't have one and is afraid to make a claim on a name that is being used?

As I've said before, I'm generally in favor of getting more input from the lurkers because I think that will help things become more clear on D2, but I don't know the standard for when you have enough claims and decide that you have to pick one of them to vote for, or else "no lynch". I agree that the reasoning for the attention on sempai was pretty weak when it started, but in my first game, an unforced claim turned out to be a tell by a nervous/inexperienced scum.

Yes there are other options that make him not a VT, but I won't go into them.

So far I have some pretty decent reads on most active players I think. But everything could change, and everything is based off my gut feeling from posts.
Townish Vibes: Tonka, strike, streaker, deg, Ragian,
Antitown (mafia and 3rd party): Storr, mtam, charm.
All the other players are up in the air for me right now.

As for Sempi I think he is jumpy and been following others weak cases early, but I don't particularly see him as a huge threat to town right now, if this continues into day 2/3 I would say more pressure needs to be applied.

My largest scum tell is on mtam and how he is playing this game. To me this actually feels not like a mafia role, but as a cult leader role on his part. By him saying if he is lying he will be dead. If I remember correctly colts can't recruit mafia.

I diffidently need to go back and re-read since I took all this in pretty fast

fped by about 6 people.

As for the number of claims on day 1 it depends on the size of the game, I would say that going up to about 4 in this game would be reasonable.

[got tonkaed]

Honestly it is probably better you just keep google searching at the moment.

If we are going to have sempai claim, there is no reason to run out all of the fake claim no action roles he could possibly have. It just makes the whole exercise useless. If you are really stuck and we are both alive on day 2, I can shoot you a link.

FPd by skillful who says some stuff on Mtam that could possibly makes sense.

[StorrZerg]

Sempai never claimed vt. Stop assuming his claim is vt.

He claimed to be town ( who wouldn't? I mean besides me ), and claimed No night action. There are plenty of roles that don't have night actions.

Such as?
I was 1 shot bulletproof in my other game, but looking at the mafia wiki, I don't see any other roles that would be town with no night action.

day action
mason
reflection
pgo
method head
tree stump
W/e the mod can think of.

[Endgame422]

Sempai never claimed vt. Stop assuming his claim is vt.

He claimed to be town ( who wouldn't? I mean besides me ), and claimed No night action. There are plenty of roles that don't have night actions.

Such as?
I was 1 shot bulletproof in my other game, but looking at the mafia wiki, I don't see any other roles that would be town with no night action.

There are"day versions" of most roles.
Day cop,day vig(Mad-eye?) immediately come to mind
Possibly a day recruiter?

[got tonkaed]

I think we can safely rule out day vig, because there is a pretty small (bordering on 0 percent) chance that storr wouldn't have been vigged when he outed himself as a posting in character third party character lol.