Re: (GON 3rd game)Town wins. Day 5

by **TheCrown** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:37 pm

I guess I can make my recommendations on what I would do now. I would get 2 claims, possibly 3.

Sirius
charm
King Ed

I would be more inclined to want to get Sirius and King Ed to claim so I know what they are up to. Charm is harmless for now, IMO,

but she's on my scum list for sure.

by **Gabsensei** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:41 pm

if you go for sirius and king you can count me in but who first?

by **Killuminati19** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:53 pm

Still relatively new to this, and I have been against getting a lot of claims, especially early. Having said that, I think TC has an educated list of claims to go after. Early on, I had Moo in my somewhat trusted inner circle, along with TC, DB4, Tuffy, and Gabs. I didn't like Moo's advice to Mookie at the time. It does make him look very suspicious. Tuffy, it looks like you have your suspicions about me, and that is fine. I'm lookin to flush out another mafia goon.
Vote Sirius

by **TheCrown** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:56 pm

Vote Sirius to claim. Or he can answer some of my problems with the way he is double posting and over-eagerly hunting after someone that wasn't scummy looking to me.

by **DB4Christ** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:00 pm

I agree with some of what you guys have listed. I think before we start asking for claims, we need to hear about some night action findings. There had to be some......where are they? This would help us to know who to push for claims. This is an important factor in our day 2 discoveries and actions. As for D-1 voting and tracking, I think there are some erratic voting patterns from some.....not sure if it was typical D-1 pressures or tells yet. We need some night reports though!

by **Gabsensei** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:08 pm

i will follow you guys vote sirius

by **Killuminati19** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:12 pm

Also, with Charm's claim of regular townie.....how many regular townie's can there be? Anymore a claim of regular townie means nothing to me. I should apologize to Bantam as well. I mocked his ears and eyes comment, but clearly he was trying to tell us something that was lost on me.

by **charm** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:00 pm

This is now getting super interesting! I have to go back and review everything again. But, based on the fact that I know I'm a cool town chick, I'm now going to go back and see who it is that wants to lynch me. The fact that Crown is so keen to say I'm scummy, makes me think he might be scummy.

I like picking on Crown and he knows that! Also, Sirius is on my list because he was quick to defend me and be my ally - which means he is either a brilliant townie (which could be true) or he is scummy.

More to come after I do a thorough investigation. Although, can't we just wound a few mafia guys and keep them in the game - that sound like lot's more fun! Maybe cutoff an arm or leg?

by **mookiemcgee** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:02 pm

HI guys just catching up on todays posts... Crasp you posted that I voted for Charm, I did not. Unless I am mistaken you are required to vote in red. I mentioned Charm as the only one I found suspisious but I did not vote for anyone since the last lynching(bantam).

I believe Leg & Kill had posts on either side of mine that voted for Charm(in red) which may have been where the confusion came from. I also noticed that Kill rescinded the vote because he doesn't want to associate with me. NOt sure how I feel about not wanting to be associated with, but don't change your vote on my account I am undecided. I feel I made a fool of myself the first day by voting and unvoting as much as I did.

by **mookiemcgee** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:05 pm

My gut tells me that the town should target non-newbs for voting... And it looks like the experienced players are starting to divide into two camps:

Camp A
Crown
Gab
Kill

Camp B
King Ed
Sirius

The are other players who it seems have experience but have not aligned completely in thought with others, and several noobs(like me) who still don't have a handle on things:
Tuffy
DB4
Just
Legion
Joak
mookie
charm

Crown's thoughts and list of each player seemed legit in every way, so I am inclinded to be more suspisious of King Ed and Sirius. Maybe they could post to defend themselves or give alternative "scum" options? I dont want to just hop on a bandwagon and vote Sirius just yet, his advise to me may have been scummy, but it also may have saved my life.

by **crasp** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:18 pm

12 players it takes 7 to lynch.Next deadline. Wed 2nd April. 23.59 Central Alba time.

Vote Count
Charm- Legionaire 1
mookie- King-ed, 1
Sirius- kill, crown. gabseni 3
Updated and apologies Mookie.

by **joak** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:46 pm

Sorry av no been aboot delighted AFK is gone haven't a clue why you guys thought he was a mate as I never mentioned him at anytime but then again it's a strange wee game anyhow I like crowns post categorising everyone and I like the two camps thing I voted king ed earlier and he immediately voted for me for no reason apart from the way I typed my posts I unvoted him and probably jumped on bantam although I unvoted him also but I still have a suspicion about king ed as I don't think it's right to just vote for someone cos they voted for you

by **TheCrown** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:52 pm

joak wrote:Sorry av no been aboot delighted AFK is gone haven't a clue why you guys thought he was a mate as I never mentioned him at anytime but then again it's a strange wee game anyhow I like crowns post categorising everyone and I like the two camps thing I voted king ed earlier and he immediately voted for me for no reason apart from the way I typed my posts I unvoted him and probably jumped on bantam although I unvoted him also but I still have a suspicion about king ed as I don't think it's right to just vote for someone cos they voted for you

Exactly.... :shock:

King Ed

by **King Edward 3rd** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:53 pm

TheCrown wrote:I guess I can make my recommendations on what I would do now. I would get 2 claims, possibly 3.

Sirius
charm
King Ed

I would be more inclined to want to get Sirius and King Ed to claim so I know what they are up to. Charm is harmless for now, IMO, but she's on my scum list for sure.

Tc. if you are truly a townie you don't want me to claim now. The bodyguard is gone that only leaves the doc as protection. Well I'm off to my remodeling side job since my town job doesn't pay enough for all that I do for the town.

by **King Edward 3rd** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:58 pm

@ TC some of my votes were just following your lead to get people to talk or to get a claim

by **TheCrown** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:12 pm

King Edward 3rd wrote:@ TC some of my votes were just following your lead to get people to talk or to get a claim

Well that's a bit deceptive.... you only followed me voting on H8. That leaves your voting on Joak twice, Legion (probably a joke vote), Bantam, and mookie NOT following my votes.

And you voted without reading 2 pages? That's skimming and scummy..why would you admit that?

by **King Edward 3rd** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:18 pm

Do what you want TC but as I said you don't want me to claim as I said in my other post. Remember what happened in the last game when I was forced to claim, but that worked out pretty good I ended up on the winning side. I can tell you that joak is a townie for sure.

by **legionnare** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:19 pm

Well TC and Gab's posts were convincing, I've got them pegged as Townie so will trust their opinions ATM. Charm still seems suspicious to me, she seems to have dropped some of the quirky randomness in her posts now that the heat has been turned on her for a bit. I will wait for Sirius' response to TC and Gab before changing my mind on him I still want to believe he is Town. So for the moment unvote

FP'd by KE3

by **Bantam** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:46 pm

Kill,
I must apologise for my language as well and calling you an arsehole - not very good - got frustrated with the lack of people not getting that I was town with a night role despite my clues. Anyway shake hands - move on - Onwards and upwards.....

And I'm still watching - from beyond the grave........ :-$

Killuminati19 wrote:Also, with Charm's claim of regular townie.....how many regular townie's can there be? Anymore a claim of regular townie means nothing to me. I should apologize to Bantam as well. I mocked his ears and eyes comment, but clearly he was trying to tell us something that was lost on me.

by **DB4Christ** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:17 pm

Hello......night actions please! If we are going to move forward, we should do so with the definite information from our town power rolls. Where are the actions, we all talked about the benefit of D-2 action results.....where are the calls for them now? All of us should be requesting them, not just me. We need them! TC, Gab, Kill, Sirius, Tuf..... how about some help with the call for the action results.

by **TuffyLess** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:22 pm

King Edward 3rd wrote:
TheCrown wrote:I guess I can make my recommendations on what I would do now. I would get 2 claims, possibly 3.

Sirius
charm
King Ed

I would be more inclined to want to get Sirius and King Ed to claim so I know what they are up to. Charm is harmless for now, IMO, but she's on my scum list for sure.

Tc. if you are truly a townie you don't want me to claim now. The bodyguard is gone that only leaves the doc as protection. Well I'm off to my remodeling side job since my town job doesn't pay enough for all that I do for the town.

King Edward 3rd wrote:Do what you want TC but as I said you don't want me to claim as I said in my other post. Remember what happened in the last game when I was forced to claim, but that worked out pretty good I ended up on the winning side. I can tell you that joak is a townie for sure.

You are listed as mafia on 3 different published lists KE3.
Now you're insinuating a powerful townie role and are vouching for joak too!
This would imply that I was paranoid with the collusion between H8 and joak; a coincidence in other words.
Ill not discount that a possibility and admit am leaning towards that way now.

My next pursuit was Charm.
Some say she is harmless - even her previous threatened target.
I guess Ill have to sit on stand by here with her too.

This is turning into a chained-effect.
joak and charm are now off of my 'immediate' list because of two others' posts whom I believe.
The liability is high here folks though.

Sirius is on the hook for a claim eh.
He wasnt even on my radar - this is a twist Im surprised to see develop.
Ya'll are voting pretty damn fast for this claim though - The guy is sick eh, so give him a chance.

Gab is on 3 lists as a Townie.
Now he's on 4.

TheCrown wrote:Do you mean me, Tuffy?

I will reveal much tomorrow when I get back to work with my notes. Unfortunately I walked out of work tonight and found that I had no car. I had left it at the mechanics in the morning and was supposed to get a call....and did not. Old age strikes again, and frustrated with this, and still needing to pick up my son, I really thought this was the end of my posting for the night. So, I am not prepared... but by morning, you will all know my thoughts and be blown away (theatrics added at the end for effect )

TC - I need you to specify what you mean by that before I answer.

Killuminati19 wrote:I don't want to align myself with Mookie at the moment, so I will take Charm at her word for now......unvote

Me either Kill ... was on my eye list before and still is.

Killuminati19 wrote:Still relatively new to this, and I have been against getting a lot of claims, especially early. Having said that, I think TC has an educated list of claims to go after. Early on, I had Moo in my somewhat trusted inner circle, along with TC, DB4, Tuffy, and Gabs. I didn't like Moo's advice to Mookie at the time. It does make him look very suspicious. Tuffy, it looks like you have your suspicions about me, and that is fine. I'm lookin to flush out another mafia goon.
Vote Sirius

Ok Kill - first you were on my suspect list private then I chose to make public.
I still dunno but me and you not wanting to be associated with mook is something we have in common.

Ive already pushed charm for a claim and she responded.
mook is next on my list but should he indeed be a townie, I dont want to be responsible for another townie claim.
Ill wait for Sirius to claim - if its a convincing townie vote; Im turning towards mook.

by **TuffyLess** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:42 pm

DB4Christ wrote:Hello......night actions please! If we are going to move forward, we should do so with the definite information from our town power rolls. Where are the actions, we all talked about the benefit of D-2 action results.....where are the calls for them now? All of us should be requesting them, not just me. We need them! TC, Gab, Kill, Sirius, Tuf..... how about some help with the call for the action results.

This is difficult ... communication needs to be a bit encrypted.
Still you have a good point happening here.

We have all these role claims but no night info.
The night info pursuit has kinda been ignored in conversation, true?

The odds are, we have to have more than 1 report from nighttime.
There is IMO, its been put out there already, but its not in plain-text.

King Edward 3rd wrote:I agree with legionarre I also think we have a Townie Vigilante & I agree with Tc they better be sure who they are targeting. I'm sticking with my vote from the end of day 1 Vote Mookie We need him to claim, DB, Kill & myself voted for him & then he put the hammer on Bantam. Let's see what he has to say. I off to my side remodeling job since my regular job doesn't keep the bills paid.

legion had a fair list put forth.

by **crasp** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:05 pm

Bantam wrote:Kill,
I must apologise for my language as well and calling you an arsehole - not very good - got frustrated with the lack of people not getting that I was town with a night role despite my clues. Anyway shake hands - move on - Onwards and upwards.....

And I'm still watching - from beyond the grave........

There you go mookie. Not just noobs that lose the plot in this game. Well done on the apology bantam. :lol:

For what its worth I could feel your frustration, thanks for sharing. Funny though. :lol:

by **mookiemcgee** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:13 pm

So it does stand to reason that if you know that you are townie, and some people defend you while others seem suspicious of you with no real reason, outside of "you were quiet the first day"... (even though you've never played this game, and were told to kinda sit back the first day and read to try to understand what the game is about)... you would start to vote with and trust those defending you(like TC) and start to be suspicious of those who are trying to make you look scummy.

I'm still not ready to vote for Sirius, but my list of people of whom I'm wary is growing:

Sirius (largely due to others posts, granted I'm new and dont really know what to look for, but he's only been helpful to me. And he's sick whats the rush?)
King ed(because i believe he has targeted several town people with his votes)
Kill (saying I'm not to be associated with)
Tuffy (I mean he seems legit, but still why are the same people overly suspicious of me?)

I'm leaning towards an king Ed vote, but his warning is ominous... Is it common for Town people with "power rolls" to hint that they dont want to be exposed? Or is this more likely a mafia tactic? All this might make me look like a lone wolf(i dont know if thats actually a role i just mean it as a figure of speech), but first time playing a game thats super confusing and no idea the subtext in people posts, so for now thats my sh*t list

by **SiriusCowKing** on Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:16 pm

TheCrown wrote:Ok, here goes...person by person:

Sirius = 80% scummy looking to me. He is helpful with game tips... but then there is reality. He votes for a person even after he just voted for them, and also unvotes twice.... now, he is either forgetful, or trying to make sure everyone sees what he is doing... to try to sway them and convince he is townie. He tried too hard to get the Bantam lynch rolling a few times. What really did if for me was when he wanted to pursue Archer after it was known that archer was gone for 3 days. He seems to be taking advantage wherever he can to get a townie lynched. And Sirius doesn't always do his own dirty work.... look who helped convince mookie to vote on Bantam....the one vote that killed Bantam...
show

I may be off here, but Sirius is up high on my radar... he has twice as many scumtells as anyone else on my list. You be the judge.

TheCrown = 100% town. I talk a lot. I deduce a lot. I blame a lot. I am probably the #1 target for mafia to hit at night, so if anyone has night protections, please consider helping me out.

Well first I want to say kudos for putting you in your own list and giving you 100% townie, whatever.

- I voted for bantam because he was the first veteran on my list, otherwise I would have voted AFK. I wasn't sure so I wrote you have 3 days to make me change my mind, page 14.
- Bantam talked but I wasn't sure about him so I didn't unvoted.
- Bantam finally hinted at his role on page 23, I wasn't sure if he was telling the truth because his post was quite vague, but I did unvote on page 24. This was already the last day before the time limit.
- Gabsensei suggest that we lynch another veteran on my list, as archer was on his own list too, so I got for it on page 25. Running out of time, this seemed to be the only option viable since I didn't wanted to lynch bantam anymore. I wanted to give him a try since page 24.
- The post right after that, TC rise doubts about Bantam again saying he claimed regular townie with a power role.
- I unvoted archer on page 26 after TC pointed out that archer was already gone for the weekend and could not defend himself before the time limit. I didn't knew about that, but thought it was unfair once I learned about it, that's why I unvoted.

And the end of day came, bantam got lynched. I don't know why you think this is suspect. If the fact that I voted and unvoted twice in a day is scummy for you, maybe you should take a look at TC. In fact, while I was writing this and looking back for page references, I found that TC claims that Bantam was not on his list, while he actually voted for him before I even did. More than that, he seem to be raising a lot of suspicions on a lot of people almost every page. I usually like TheCrown's thinking, but he looks like he tries to blame a lot and make sure everyone is too busy to realize what he did. Now that I think about it, every lead he pushed in the first mafia game led to a townie, and he even lynched me in the first game after I posted a great list containing all the bad guys in a single post. Even better, he never pursued anyone on my list and lost the next day.

I am already running out of time, because there are so many accusations on me all I could have time to do is defend myself, so I won't be making a list of suspect right now. But one thing for sure, TC is at the top of my list. I vote TC. Either you are wrong, or you are deliberately trying to push me out of the game. Are you afraid of my detective skills maybe?

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