Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[jgordon1111]

The reason I'm not playing "according to my style" is because jg has consistently belittled the veterans of the game. By issuing a blanket statement, he has grouped me into a generalization repeatedly, and made comments which I disagree with. I've always tried to play the game with respect and tolerance, and quite frankly, mudslinging towards other players is always something I take issue with. I believe it distracts from the game, does nothing productive, and takes away from the general enjoyment of the game for all involved. I understand (as I have said repeatedly) that it's not against the rules and some may use it as a tactic (which is what I assume jgordon is doing). However, participation in this game is a choice, and I can choose to distance myself from insults in a number of ways. Asking for a replacement would be one. Asking the person to stop making these insults is another. Asking to be lynched would be a third. If people want to continue to be negative, then I suggest you all lynch me, because that's the least work for the mod all things considered.

And yet you were in a game and did it to me yourself,and now you wish to take umbrage with me for the style you condoned and supported in a different game.

Even though I gave you several reasons of why I did this, you choose to overlook them and try for martyr status.

I said it wasnt personal it was a tactic to get people to play. Yet you continue with it as a personal attack.

I say bah you have proven weak when tested and found wanting.

The last part was directed at you specific SAF,for being a vet and taking it as a personal attack against you,by posting the above rubbish.

This is a game if you take anything personal here you are in over your head.

Did you notice PMC thinks I am playing stupidly, I did not lash out and distance myself from the game.

And PMC is a vet he didnt get wild and become a martyr.

Get it together and comeback with a vengeance SAF,and play like a veteran.

[safariguy5]

The reason I'm not playing "according to my style" is because jg has consistently belittled the veterans of the game. By issuing a blanket statement, he has grouped me into a generalization repeatedly, and made comments which I disagree with. I've always tried to play the game with respect and tolerance, and quite frankly, mudslinging towards other players is always something I take issue with. I believe it distracts from the game, does nothing productive, and takes away from the general enjoyment of the game for all involved. I understand (as I have said repeatedly) that it's not against the rules and some may use it as a tactic (which is what I assume jgordon is doing). However, participation in this game is a choice, and I can choose to distance myself from insults in a number of ways. Asking for a replacement would be one. Asking the person to stop making these insults is another. Asking to be lynched would be a third. If people want to continue to be negative, then I suggest you all lynch me, because that's the least work for the mod all things considered.

And yet you were in a game and did it to me yourself,and now you wish to take umbrage with me for the style you condoned and supported in a different game.

Even though I gave you several reasons of why I did this, you choose to overlook them and try for martyr status.

I said it wasnt personal it was a tactic to get people to play. Yet you continue with it as a personal attack.

I say bah you have proven weak when tested and found wanting.

The last part was directed at you specific SAF,for being a vet and taking it as a personal attack against you,by posting the above rubbish.

This is a game if you take anything personal here you are in over your head.

Did you notice PMC thinks I am playing stupidly, I did not lash out and distance myself from the game.

And PMC is a vet he didnt get wild and become a martyr.

Get it together and comeback with a vengeance SAF,and play like a veteran.

When did I do that to you? Of course, if you want to argue that calling someone a noob is offensive, then by all means do so. If you took offense to that, then I apologize for calling you a noob. But I must say, that by dividing the players into "veterans" and "non-veterans" you implicitly bring that classification upon yourself.

So by telling us to not take anything personal, does that mean I can call you a brainless twit and you won't take offense at that? Please. Not taking things personally applies to arguments about game characters and such, not to personal attacks at the player.

I already said multiple times that you're using it as a strategy, which I disagree with. As long as you continue to use that line of argument, I have nothing further to say to you. If your method of getting a town win is to insult people one by one and see what kind of reaction you get, then I will not support whatever "tells" or "slips" you get.

The question I see here, and really the one that is relevant here, is whether people believe my response to said criticism is voteworthy. If it is (as jak and others) seem to think so, then let's stop beating around the bush and start voting.

[pmchugh]

Right enough of this crap. It is completely counter productive and nothing to do with the game really.

The reason we don't normally tell power roles who to target is because then mafia would know and could plan accordingly. If mafia knew jak, for example, was going to be protected at night, they wouldn't target him and would kill someone else, stripping the doc of a chance of blocking the kill. Altho it does prove effective for that one thing you wanted to do (in this case protect jak), it gives mafia too much info to play around with, especially if they have a busdriver (tho we have no evidence of such ATM).

Altho we have used doc directing in RTs before. One time as the doc I said I'd protect the cop but protected someone else. The mafia, (why they didn't kill me is beyond me) knowing I would be protecting the cop, targeting someone else, the exact same person I targeted. Directing power roles can be useful to an extent but usually it doesn't help, b/c then the mafia have a better understanding of who they should kill.

You answered your own question. Mafia gain no concrete evidence and it can actually cause them to act incorrectly. Suppose they did have a busdriver, and the vig chose not to kill.. well then they would waste a very powerful action on swapping jgordon and a townie for no reason.

[jgordon1111]

No I would not take offense If you called me a brainless twit if you think I made a tactical error.

I would look back at everything I have said and done, evaluate it and if I thought you were wrong in your assessment I would tell you so.

As far as noob goes I think not.

I play a different style than is accustomed to here on CC if you disagree with that it is your right.

What I really want is for everyone to play and input their thoughts into the game,if you disagree with that it is your choice.

If your talking about a vote and lynch on me,by all means do it if you think you have no other choice and cant catch any scum.(not saying alot on scum hunting capabilities that)

But if you are trying to push it because you have a bit of wounded pride, and dont like how I play,My response again is BAH. DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONAL DUDE.

But enough for now I think the game is at hand lets play that and see where it goes.

BTW not supporting any tells or slips I get playing my way,Says something bad about your role. You are not town. If you are you would not be saying what you just did no matter what.

Fastposted By PMC

[shieldgenerator7]

Right enough of this crap. It is completely counter productive and nothing to do with the game really.

The reason we don't normally tell power roles who to target is because then mafia would know and could plan accordingly. If mafia knew jak, for example, was going to be protected at night, they wouldn't target him and would kill someone else, stripping the doc of a chance of blocking the kill. Altho it does prove effective for that one thing you wanted to do (in this case protect jak), it gives mafia too much info to play around with, especially if they have a busdriver (tho we have no evidence of such ATM).

Altho we have used doc directing in RTs before. One time as the doc I said I'd protect the cop but protected someone else. The mafia, (why they didn't kill me is beyond me) knowing I would be protecting the cop, targeting someone else, the exact same person I targeted. Directing power roles can be useful to an extent but usually it doesn't help, b/c then the mafia have a better understanding of who they should kill.

You answered your own question. Mafia gain no concrete evidence and it can actually cause them to act incorrectly. Suppose they did have a busdriver, and the vig chose not to kill.. well then they would waste a very powerful action on swapping jgordon and a townie for no reason.

haha yeah but it creates a WIFOM loop. Mafia might think that they'd trick them so they'd do as town wouldn't expect, slipping thru. It's non-deterministic. Remember my initial FOS on you wasn't for directing the vig, and after I UNFOS'd you I just said I noted that you had (not REFOS'd). I have really enjoyed this little convo between you and I about this topic. Brings back good memories (you were the cop if I recall correctly)

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-SG7 ( )

[safariguy5]

No I would not take offense If you called me a brainless twit if you think I made a tactical error.

I would look back at everything I have said and done, evaluate it and if I thought you were wrong in your assessment I would tell you so.

As far as noob goes I think not.

I play a different style than is accustomed to here on CC if you disagree with that it is your right.

What I really want is for everyone to play and input their thoughts into the game,if you disagree with that it is your choice.

If your talking about a vote and lynch on me,by all means do it if you think you have no other choice and cant catch any scum.(not saying alot on scum hunting capabilities that)

But if you are trying to push it because you have a bit of wounded pride, and dont like how I play,My response again is BAH. DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONAL DUDE.

But enough for now I think the game is at hand lets play that and see where it goes.

BTW not supporting any tells or slips I get playing my way,Says something bad about your role. You are not town. If you are you would not be saying what you just did no matter what.

Fastposted By PMC

Ok, so if I'm not town, why are not voting me right now? Is it because me simply saying I disagree with your evidence isn't strong enough evidence? Where's this use of FOS you care so much about?

Fine to pay lip service to the idea that your playstyle is different. Hey, if you wanna play different, by all means. But to go and not apply that playstyle evenly suggests you have something to hide.

[everywhere116]

As far as noob goes I think not.

I play a different style than is accustomed to here on CC if you disagree with that it is your right.

What I really want is for everyone to play and input their thoughts into the game,if you disagree with that it is your choice.

The main problem isn't that your playstyle is different, is that it's classically flawed. First, you plan on insulting people and then trying to gauge their reactions, but personal insults are inherently divisive and closes any hope of open, civil discussion. Secondly, you're not playing as a survivor. Mafia is, above all else, a role-playing game. You play your role. If you are town, honor and support for the town cause is warranted. If you are not town, you do not need to worry about it, and trying to play like you do is only going to hurt you or your faction, whichever is applicable. If you are mafia, you lie. If you are an SK, you manipulate. If you are cult, you absorb. If you are a survivor, you survive. You don't need to worry about us unless you want to win with us.

[DoomYoshi]

I picked a side when Jak tried to back me,albeit he was dropping hints for the right people to see and catch.

Since I believe this statement, I am never going to join a game with you in it again. This is complete and utter OMGUS as an approach to the game. Somebody who backs you is not your friend. The simplest mafia strategy is to start siding with a townie. Also, somebody who does not support you is not necessarily scum.

While I am in the process of blacklisting you for a) being insulting and b) cheating; I am also going to point out this following quote:

I have no allegiance or alignment, I cannot be coerced.

Note how you claim to not be coercible, but then admit to it. LAL.

However, my main scumtell is coming from new guy right now. I don't like how he is trying to lay low. His last 4 posts have pretty much repeated the 'pro-town' message. It is easy for scum to want to extend the day when they are not saying much.

vote new guy

[DoomYoshi]

And yes, Leehar has defeated my concept. Now I have the next question:

People say I am scummy for revealing the doctor's fakeclaim. If I am scum, why wouldn't I just wait until night and tell my scum-mates? For it to be a scummy act, it would actually automatically discount the possibility of me being scum. Yes, this is WIFOM. Yes, I admit it was a mistake. Yes, I admit that I may not fully understand the BW on me (looking at you chap).

[jgordon1111]

I picked a side when Jak tried to back me,albeit he was dropping hints for the right people to see and catch.

Since I believe this statement, I am never going to join a game with you in it again. This is complete and utter OMGUS as an approach to the game. Somebody who backs you is not your friend. The simplest mafia strategy is to start siding with a townie. Also, somebody who does not support you is not necessarily scum.

While I am in the process of blacklisting you for a) being insulting and b) cheating; I am also going to point out this following quote:

I have no allegiance or alignment, I cannot be coerced.

Note how you claim to not be coercible, but then admit to it. LAL.

However, my main scumtell is coming from new guy right now. I don't like how he is trying to lay low. His last 4 posts have pretty much repeated the 'pro-town' message. It is easy for scum to want to extend the day when they are not saying much.

vote new guy

If you intend to try and blacklist me for being insulting their are several names you had better add to that list friend,who as a matter of course use it in a lot of games.

Cheating are kidding me with that mess.

When was I coerced or do you not understand the definition of the word.

My vote stays on you doom and that should explain to you saf why it isnt on you,and no need to FOS you I have pages of it.

Blacklisted LOL because you dont like how I play, how elitist of you. Sorta nazi like.

[pmchugh]

I really would like to move on from this business till after the game. I have a lot I want to say but I think for the good of the game we should drop it now.

And yes, Leehar has defeated my concept. Now I have the next question:

People say I am scummy for revealing the doctor's fakeclaim. If I am scum, why wouldn't I just wait until night and tell my scum-mates? For it to be a scummy act, it would actually automatically discount the possibility of me being scum. Yes, this is WIFOM. Yes, I admit it was a mistake. Yes, I admit that I may not fully understand the BW on me (looking at you chap).

This is actually a good defense. Although SK is possible.

[new guy1]

I picked a side when Jak tried to back me,albeit he was dropping hints for the right people to see and catch.

Since I believe this statement, I am never going to join a game with you in it again. This is complete and utter OMGUS as an approach to the game. Somebody who backs you is not your friend. The simplest mafia strategy is to start siding with a townie. Also, somebody who does not support you is not necessarily scum.

While I am in the process of blacklisting you for a) being insulting and b) cheating; I am also going to point out this following quote:

I have no allegiance or alignment, I cannot be coerced.

Note how you claim to not be coercible, but then admit to it. LAL.

However, my main scumtell is coming from new guy right now. I don't like how he is trying to lay low. His last 4 posts have pretty much repeated the 'pro-town' message. It is easy for scum to want to extend the day when they are not saying much.

vote new guy

Laying low are the several people who I dont remember even being in this game because they havent posted much at all. I have not been repeating other people, I have been repeating my message. We dont have to lynch so quick, and that at this point I will not support a lynch of JG no matter how offensive he is being. It takes away from the conversation, it takes away his opinion, and it takes away one of the few majorly active players. I have already stated that I dont mind sharing my WC so long as he will help us out, which so far he has already spoken in town interest. I find it hilarious that people still think he is not following his character, to survive not to help town, because he has no allignment, he can do what he wants to survive, and he is character makes TOTAL sense. If anything I wish someone would pull some quotes from way back showing people that wanted him lynched fast, as they are most likely the scum trying to sneak in on a nice wagon. I am not throwing the attention somewhere else, Im suggesting it.

[jak111]

Aye, I was thinking he'd bring that up. If he didn't he'd be a confused one for sure. Though mistakes are made every game, I make them, JG makes them, Doom makes them, pretty much everyone who has ever played mafia makes them. Doom, you are still on my list for the obvious reason but I think with the defense I was hoping for you to bring up (Which you did, about just waiting for night to tell them) lowers my want and need for your info. Unvote... But FOS remains with you bud. That's something that for D1 you won't be able to do much for, nor that it matters who I FOS today XD. I won't be able to bring nothing up tomorrow most likely unless we get lucky with something. tonight or today.

Since my cases are pretty much depleted and times so-so, I'll let the town pick the next BW or whatever. Though I will check targets posts to come up with my own reasons for voting them.

[jgordon1111]

I will concede to you PMC,and will fight until I get killed but here forward it will be in the interest of the game itself to pin down scum that have slipped.

Fastposted by Jak

[Some7hingCLEVER]

The reason I'm not playing "according to my style" is because jg has consistently belittled the veterans of the game. By issuing a blanket statement, he has grouped me into a generalization repeatedly, and made comments which I disagree with. I've always tried to play the game with respect and tolerance, and quite frankly, mudslinging towards other players is always something I take issue with. I believe it distracts from the game, does nothing productive, and takes away from the general enjoyment of the game for all involved. I understand (as I have said repeatedly) that it's not against the rules and some may use it as a tactic (which is what I assume jgordon is doing). However, participation in this game is a choice, and I can choose to distance myself from insults in a number of ways. Asking for a replacement would be one. Asking the person to stop making these insults is another. Asking to be lynched would be a third. If people want to continue to be negative, then I suggest you all lynch me, because that's the least work for the mod all things considered.

And yet you were in a game and did it to me yourself,and now you wish to take umbrage with me for the style you condoned and supported in a different game.

Even though I gave you several reasons of why I did this, you choose to overlook them and try for martyr status.

I said it wasnt personal it was a tactic to get people to play. Yet you continue with it as a personal attack.

I say bah you have proven weak when tested and found wanting.

The last part was directed at you specific SAF,for being a vet and taking it as a personal attack against you,by posting the above rubbish.

This is a game if you take anything personal here you are in over your head.

Did you notice PMC thinks I am playing stupidly, I did not lash out and distance myself from the game.

And PMC is a vet he didnt get wild and become a martyr.

Get it together and comeback with a vengeance SAF,and play like a veteran.

JG- your a decent mafia player but something in your head must not be working man. if you say something about someone that is PERSONAL do you expect them not to take it personal ? your right this is just a game so dont take anything personal and the first way to start that is to stop saying personal things and play the damn game.its getting annoying. so stop making bashing comments to everyone and play the game like it should be played. the fact that he took something personal ..maybe it means he has some self respect which by god everyone in the world needs a little more. so seriously if you dont want people to take things personally then stop saying personal things.

[jgordon1111]

thanks clever,NG1,PMC and Jak.

To those of you that were offended by what I did, I give you my sincerest apologies and will desist from using it as a tactic.

SO to begin with to the veterans of CC mafia I apologize.

To Saf who I do think is a good player it was not personal.

To doom same thing it was not personal. But I really still think you are scum in this game.

[Rodion]

Gordon, let's put things this way: if we were playing this very game in Mafia Scum (a more "professional" site), here is what would have happened.
a) you are a survivor - modkilled and blacklisted for not playing to your winning condition
b) you are not a survivor - lynched and (as long as you don't flip jester) blacklisted for not playing to your winning condition

You say you decided to help town win because you've realized you are dying anyway. Enter Safari, whom you have been accusing for a while, making a deal that keeps you alive (he offered to be lynched under the condition that you are D2 lynched if he flips town). You think he is not town, you want to help town by finding mafia, you also SHOULD want to win. If you truly suspect Safari, taking him on this deal is win-win for you (in that you survive and also help the town you claim you want to help so much), but you have not voted him yet or even attempted to gauge everyone else's reactions concerning this deal. I call bullshit. At this point in the game, I'm convinced you are either mafia or jester.

And don't bring the "it doesn't have to make sense to you as long as it does to me" routine again. Newsflash, buddy: if your name is not VS or Jonty it DOES have to make sense to me or else you are getting my vote. That's as simple as it gets.

@Safari - regarding insults, you need to grow a thicker skin.

@Shield and whoever it may concern - directing power roles is not inherently scummy. I do it all the time. Pancakemix hates me for this, but I find it effective when used appropriately (remember we only caught Epitaph in NBC Mafia because I directed everyone's night action?). Obvious things like "doctor, protect the cop" or "vig, kill the survivor/jester" are acceptable because most of the time they are the best possible actions to be taken. I'd even go ahead and suggest town watchers/busdrivers to target Jak to make sure we don't lose him (or in the case of a watcher at least get a free mafia since we'll know who killed him). Granted, vigging a known target is bad if mafia has a busdriver, but mafia busdrivers are a really rare role (Chap mentioned he saw a good ammount of those lately, could you please mention which games other than my FFVII one?).

If anything I wish someone would pull some quotes from way back showing people that wanted him lynched fast, as they are most likely the scum trying to sneak in on a nice wagon.

Why don't you do this yourself?

Regarding the rest of your post, we have an extended deadline and we don't need to rush with Jgordon's lynch. I agree. That said, currently the other option seems to be Yoshi and his wagon is weaksauce.

[new guy1]

His wagon is weak. And I might, but I have been quite busy lately, and inherintly lazy as a result of that. So if I have time, and I am not too tired, then I will.

[safariguy5]

Thicker skin Rod? Maybe, but that's probably why I rarely venture into GD.

All kidding aside, let's look at the player list again.

Crazymilkshake- 4 total posts.

I find this racist... kidding, im in!

Signup post.

Confirm

Confirm post.

Vote doom to give him his wish!

Jokevote.

is joke voting over now? i just received the prob i was looking for,

Nothing useful.

unvote vote crazymilkshake5

[DoomYoshi]

Ok new guy. Unvote. Fos still on you however. I think we have reached an impasse. We either continue the wagon on me or we choose an inactive or we collectively decide to end this day now.

CM5 is a decent idea, I bet he will ask for replacement soon.

[jak111]

Regarding the rest of your post, we have an extended deadline and we don't need to rush with Jgordon's lynch. I agree. That said, currently the other option seems to be Yoshi and his wagon is weaksauce.

Obviously I'm not on Doom no more, but still watching him. At the same time, calling people who are trying to get something done with their opinions being 'weaksauce' is almost as non productive as the rants on jg during the past few pages. If it's so weak, please, by all means Rodion, provide something better. If not, don't put other opinions at a low standard. This is another thing I find amusing, jg I am with him and against him, the original act of trying to catch skimmers was okay, but then followed by attacks on him and him replying aggressively is not so good. But take the time people and stop being hypocrites. You put his opinions and game tactics down, he toughens up and attacks you back a bit extremely and you decide to play the innocent in the fight. Either agree to drop that all together, or at least admit to YOURSELVES that you had some part of what's been happening for the past few pages (this is not directed at you Rodion but at the people who were picking jg apart for his comments).

Now, Mafia is supposed to be a fun enjoyable game. Yes a lot of things happen that make it not so, but everyone needs to take in mind of their role in the fights as well. Did they set the spark for it? Are they fueling it further? Right now my mind is a bit out there so I'm not sure if it's this one or the other game someone mentioned ruffling feathers and I said on occasion I do that. But keep in mind boys and girls that this is only a game. No personal insults (jg) and no fueling or sparking it further (saf, doom, and a few others who commented on it). A bit of rough housing is fun and alright, but everyone needs to learn whether you're 12 and on this site, or 40 and on this site (yes I'm aware there's older and younger playing I'm just giving a general age), that when these things break out either they need to stop fueling it further or admit when they do something wrong.

Finally, since I finished my rant on the fight for the last while, I think we should actually get a plan in for one more information spoil for the day. We got a couple of days left so let's see what we can find before making our final decision. I still like the inactive hunting at this moment. Some of them really haven't posted anything of real value, the others are at least attempting to add something to this quick conversation of late.

Fastposted x3.
Well I'm not sure if CMS was in my list for inactive or not supplying much, but that is unlike him.
Vote CMS, for:
~Not contributing
~Being generally inactive
~Laying low I am assuming intentionally

Nothing else, because he hasn't added anything to really get him on... Once you take away the confirm and stuff, he only has 2 real posts. One a joke vote, and the next to say he just received the prob. I'm not sure how he slipped under my nose, but this gives warrant for pressure toward him.

[jak111]

EBWOP
Vote CMS

[jgordon1111]

Gordon, let's put things this way: if we were playing this very game in Mafia Scum (a more "professional" site), here is what would have happened.
a) you are a survivor - modkilled and blacklisted for not playing to your winning condition
b) you are not a survivor - lynched and (as long as you don't flip jester) blacklisted for not playing to your winning condition

You say you decided to help town win because you've realized you are dying anyway. Enter Safari, whom you have been accusing for a while, making a deal that keeps you alive (he offered to be lynched under the condition that you are D2 lynched if he flips town). You think he is not town, you want to help town by finding mafia, you also SHOULD want to win. If you truly suspect Safari, taking him on this deal is win-win for you (in that you survive and also help the town you claim you want to help so much), but you have not voted him yet or even attempted to gauge everyone else's reactions concerning this deal. I call bullshit. At this point in the game, I'm convinced you are either mafia or jester.

And don't bring the "it doesn't have to make sense to you as long as it does to me" routine again. Newsflash, buddy: if your name is not VS or Jonty it DOES have to make sense to me or else you are getting my vote. That's as simple as it gets.

@Safari - regarding insults, you need to grow a thicker skin.

@Shield and whoever it may concern - directing power roles is not inherently scummy. I do it all the time. Pancakemix hates me for this, but I find it effective when used appropriately (remember we only caught Epitaph in NBC Mafia because I directed everyone's night action?). Obvious things like "doctor, protect the cop" or "vig, kill the survivor/jester" are acceptable because most of the time they are the best possible actions to be taken. I'd even go ahead and suggest town watchers/busdrivers to target Jak to make sure we don't lose him (or in the case of a watcher at least get a free mafia since we'll know who killed him). Granted, vigging a known target is bad if mafia has a busdriver, but mafia busdrivers are a really rare role (Chap mentioned he saw a good ammount of those lately, could you please mention which games other than my FFVII one?).

If anything I wish someone would pull some quotes from way back showing people that wanted him lynched fast, as they are most likely the scum trying to sneak in on a nice wagon.

Why don't you do this yourself?

Regarding the rest of your post, we have an extended deadline and we don't need to rush with Jgordon's lynch. I agree. That said, currently the other option seems to be Yoshi and his wagon is weaksauce.

You are correct Rodion on another site I would have been in alot of trouble for what I did most likely,maybe not black listed.

But if you have played on another site,the games are not exactly run like here,everyone plays or gets lynched for submarining. And alot of times survivors are not auto killed like they are here,deals are made and there if you break them its remembered and you get screwed next time you catch a survivor role.

when I get it this game, I think you will be quite surprised to find out that I am a survivor. And I have not broke any rules my wc is to survive,if you dont think I am trying you are wrong. And there is nothing in the rules about me helping a side of my choosing to victory. Either on CC or any other site. Matter of fact I can point out a few players in this game that once they were outed a survivors picked a side to win and went with it. It was not considered cheating then and its not cheating now. The only difference is I wont beg not to be killed.

I dont have to be somebody else (vs or jonty) to play the way I do.

And I still stand by my vote on doom for outing the doc and for his general non town gameplay.

But it was nice to see you come in and speak your mind about whats going on Rodion, I appreciate what you have said, but doom's votes are not weak sauce according to the standard most are pressured on or lynched on. At this point in the game as far as scum go its doom all the way.

Wow fastposted by almost everyone, Yea crazy should have spoken up by now he knows how it looks to submarine, still cant bring myself to change my vote, Doom I would bet money you are scum this game

you have played enough games to know not to out the docs soft claim that screams wrong to me. But you recover with I could have discussed it with my scum buddies during the night. My own belief is you did it to get a hard claim or to try and run a BW on him and later would say opps. and if he dies at night you can still go opps.

Or another thought just rolled through my head UNVOTE DOOM I hope your that good

Fastposted by Jak

[DoomYoshi]

So if I am so great at this game and wouldn't oust the doc, what benefit does it provide to me jgordon?

It would result in a blacklisting. You risked your life to save a doctor. You are trying to convince town to lynch you. Basically, you have decided that you want town to win, and not your own faction. If mafia did that, they would tell town all the members of mafia and roles. What you are doing is the exact same thing (if you are a survivor). How is it that ignoring the role that the mod gave you and switching sides would not result in a blacklist?

[thechuck51]

My vote will remain on jgordon as I re-read and see if I can get my scumdar going. I still believe that it is better to lynch the survivor than a townie so until a real scum case (whether its made by me or somebody elese) comes along my vote will not change.

fastposted by jgordon

I am one of the people who did not pick up on the jak's claim but I agree with Doom's defense that if he was scum he would have waited until night to share it with his scummates for an easy NK of a power role.

fastposted by doom