[Endgame] Firefly Mafia

[strike wolf]

Hmm I am not against saf targeting commie however at this point I think we should wait. Probably use it before the end of the day but there is still a lot to go over.

[safariguy5]

Hmm I am not against saf targeting commie however at this point I think we should wait. Probably use it before the end of the day but there is still a lot to go over.

I agree, we do have a potential for me to basically try a combination bomb/ investigation check on someone, and since I'm probably going to die anyways, the only possible bad outcome is if I accidentally target Mal and out him instead. Odds are against it though...

[DoomYoshi]

I don't think Commander would've volunteered if he was Mal, so that probably is a safe bet.

[safariguy5]

I don't think Commander would've volunteered if he was Mal, so that probably is a safe bet.

True, but we have no idea what kinds of powers Mal might have (at least I don't, having never seen the show), so I don't know how bad accidentally revealing Mal might be.

[Fircoal]

I was roleblocked, so they obviously have a mafia roleblocker on their side or a dumb townie did it.

So much for saying your role was useless.

[Fircoal]

Vote: Strike Isn't your vote a little bit hypocritical considering you were on both of those bandwagons heavily. Also it seems that you're doing a lot of using information now to say that he should of known it back then. That is illogical. We can only judge people off the information that was out at the time. Yea we know I'm town NOW, but only scum would have known it then. And btw we still don't know if Jayce is town or not, all we have is AD and his claims.

[strike wolf]

Vote: Strike Isn't your vote a little bit hypocritical considering you were on both of those bandwagons heavily. Also it seems that you're doing a lot of using information now to say that he should of known it back then. That is illogical. We can only judge people off the information that was out at the time. Yea we know I'm town NOW, but only scum would have known it then. And btw we still don't know if Jayce is town or not, all we have is AD and his claims.

First of does anyone actually read my posts? Because I am starting to seriously doubt it. I never actually placed my vote on the naxus wagon why? Welll here's a series of events

1st: naxus wagon started when he voted sheep. I did not get the case nor was I getting any serious impressions of scum from the people on it so I did not vote.

2nd: naxus wagon grew which led to the discussion remarks. This sounded like a legitimate lead but I did not know the vote count at the time so I did not jump on it.

3rd: streaker becomes 5th vote on naxus wagon by this point I have decided I do not like naxus' responses but did not feel putting him at l-3.

4th: bandwagon continued to grow. I did not feel my vote was really needed and I never put someone at l-1 unless I am convinced the person should be lynched.

This next part goes to everyone. I AM AN AGGRESSIVE PLAYER. If I see someone acting suspicious I pursue it AGGRESSIVELY.

The reason I am going with commander is as follows. He jumped on the naxus bandwagon on what I feel was a weak reason and then made no effort to further his reasons he made posts that were just enough to appear active.

He didn't bring anything new to the table on the next part.

Either way this next part is real important.

I have thought hard about safari's day kill. Target me.

I am Malcolm Reynolds. The reason I feel nark is town is that my role says that I am trying to save as many of my crew as possible. I take this to mean that the members of Serenity who are in the game are town aligned. Now for the reason I am claiming:

1. I do not feel my character's life is worth two townies (the one townie mafia would kill + zoey due to lovers mechanic). So if I end up sacrificing myself it is worth it.

2. There is a good chance I am going to be forced to reveal my role later on today anyways.

3. By having safari confirm my claim it will confirm my case against commander. Not because of what I said but because I used my one investigation on him and found him guilty in red letters.

Please do not hold this against me I actually feel this is the best move for the town.

[strike wolf]

Yep.

[DoomYoshi]

Well that makes the case on Commander great actually. Why not test it on Commander, and if he comes out town we can still lynch you if you are lying?

[strike wolf]

Safari would suicide afterwards making my gambit to claim to save him useless. A big part of this is to preserve a town life overnight. Saf is right about vigs potentially costing town but honestly I trust saf as a competent vig.

[Commander9]

Easy case to make? Possible easy lynch? Hell no. You defend yourself well and aggressively. Not a case I would want to make as scum. Easier cases would be vio, shaggy, doomyoshi, sound, sheep and even potentially nark. Not to mention your behavior is different then elsewhere. Here you seemed to feel you needed to stay on radar and post occassionally but in other threads you seemed more comfortable stating you would be busy and leaving it at that unless something huge came up.

Much, much easier lynch than I normally am - I have been somewhat inactive due to exams and you're trying to use it. Furthermore, I made at least a few post in some other games (Check CC Mafia, check Nolan's Mafia).

beyond the crew and even some on the crew most of the characters on that show would sell out their grandmothers for extra cash. Yet most of them would be third party in this game at worst. It would not surprise me if part of nark's winning condition was for river and simon to be sold out but while he talks big it is made clear that he never went against anyone else on the ship and he did regret selling out Simon in hind sight and not just because the Blue Hands double crossed him.

Okay, lets do an analysis. Mr. Reynolds would not. Wash would not. Zoe would not. Wash would not. Inara would not. Simon would not. River probably would not. Kaylee would not. Shepherd probably would not. Jayne probably would. So, optimistically for you, 6/9 would - more so realistically only Jayne seems capable of that. Ummm... Actually Jayne did do a couple of fights, small rebellions against others and he mainly was sorry for double crossing those two because Mal... taught him a lesson and because he was screwed over by that. Look, I'm not saying that he's the devil, but he's by far the most untrustworthy member of Serenity. (Perhaps only River could be more dangerous)

[Commander9]

First of all, if I was mafia I would not know who the traitor is. And certainly not trust a role that is town in name. He is a high probability of a role that is dangerous to mafia and honestly I would have no problem taking him out. Really even if he was a mafia traitor how would I know ihe doesn't have an alternate win condition like in potc and could sell me out in exchange for getting what he wants?

WIFOM. Alliance, according to the story, has all of the richest planets and best tools, so they could offer him the most money (yup, it's a WIFOM, but I'm responding to yours). We don't quite know what's behind this role, but I wanted the town to be aware of him and that he may not be town, but this rigorous defence from you is making me even more suspicious of him. Furthermore, there could be another reason - perhaps you know he's not mafia and you're trying to get additional town points by defending him.

you love trying to point to similarities don't you? Even if I wasn't the first to vote him (I was the second) I was the first to question his motives after the odd comment he made regarding the sound wagon. I put a lot of effort into that case and put a lot more reasoning into it than most including you. 2nd vote is not really a bandwagoning vote yours was farther along the developed band wagon.

You are saying you're an easy case but pointing out even easier cases yep...

I'm just saying that almost the same argument could be provided against you. Even so, I initially wasn't too suspicious of him, thus why I didn't jump early on and we know what triggered me joining the wagon. Lets rewind a bit:

Pointers fircoal: http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?tit ... edirect=no

Not to mention the strength of the name claim. What on earth are you playing at?

Yeah I'm really not trusting Fircoal right now. You can guise it acting like mandy and all but basically all you are doing is trying to shut down other cases. Not to mention his claim is one of the most solid claims that you would find in this game. vote fircoal

Nag was 1st to vote and then you follow straight up with a very strong and solid case Very nice, Strike Wolf, very nice.

[Commander9]

no never actually joined the naxus wagon. I will admit I thoughht about it but I did not know the vote count and streaker jumped on so did not feel the need to jump on. Also I believe I made it clear when I felt the naxus wagon went from weak reasoning (when you jumped on) to when it became a legitimate issue.

Eh... You accuse me of blatantly stating what others said and then not voting Nark but encouraging others (which I have already disproved) and right at the end of naxus wagon you wrote this:

Can we get a vote count?

Naxus' responses have been pretty bad so far. Fircoal did exaggerate a little on his first accusation about you but your posts since have sounded like weakly veiled attempts to hide that what fircoal is saying is actually the case. I also find it a bit ironic because your post on sheep was among the deciding factors that transfered the joke vote stage over to the discussion stage.

You basically say that he's defending himself really bad and that it's a fairly good case, but you're not putting your vote. Double-standards?

but you didn't really make a big case on it. You mentioned it in context and stated it at a time where flavor spec actually fit with discussing the roles that were in the game. And I firmly believe that he is town. So make whatever you want of the comment. You're barking up the wrong tree.

And you did a big case on Fir with solid reasons and definitely not bandwaggoning? Wait... I am baring on the wrong tree? I'd say it's vice versa - you are the one who is accusing me and I'm just pointing out flawed logic.

As far as your last statement goes .... I'm sorry, but I'm not going into this again.

[Commander9]

I have stated my reason why I believe mafia would want to do this it goes beyond just my opinion that he is town.

Why yes, it is your opinion plus a WIFOM!

your vote wouldn't have lynched him and you were pushing hardest for the nark lynch without throwing your vote on it. It sticks out.

I just checked and I actually had a 3rd vote on Nark. (page 25)

Vote Count
16 alive 9 to lynch

Mandalorian () ~
Talpus () ~
Streaker (1) ~ Mandalorian
Safariguy5 (1) ~ Streaker
Naxus () ~
Sheepofdumb () ~
Anarkistsdream (5) ~ Safariguy5, ShaggyDan, Commander9, Iliad, Anarkistsdream
Fircoal (3) ~ Nagerous, Sheepofdumb
Commander9 () ~
ShaggyDan (1) ~ Fircoal
Soundman () ~
Iliad (1) ~ VioIet
VioIet (1) ~ Talpus
Nagerous () ~
DoomYoshi () ~
Strike Wolf () ~

[quote="strike wolf"] you can stick to your opinion but you're wrong. There was plenty of people who wanted to lynch him and if activity had been better he would have likely been lynched. There were more people who supported his lynch then there were that defended him.[quote]

Key moment - he was not lynched on Day 1. Point proven.

[quote="strike wolf"]like I said it was shown clearly in the show he regretted the decision in hindsight and as many bad moments he has had redeeming moments. He was legitimately upset about how the Jaynestown incident went down and episode one did show he was not willing to betray Mal. So I stick to the thought I do not trust jayne on opinions of river and simon but I do not think he is anti-town.[quote]

Again, he regretted it mainly because he got punished by both Alliance and then Mal. Yes, he did have some redeeming moments but even at the same Jaynestown we find out that he was no hero at all there. He has shown much more bad than good during the series and I also stick with my thoughts on him.

[Commander9]

Wtf at the posting. This thread is screwed up.

This next part goes to everyone. I AM AN AGGRESSIVE PLAYER. If I see someone acting suspicious I pursue it AGGRESSIVELY.

The reason I am going with commander is as follows. He jumped on the naxus bandwagon on what I feel was a weak reason and then made no effort to further his reasons he made posts that were just enough to appear active.

He didn't bring anything new to the table on the next part.

Either way this next part is real important.

I have thought hard about safari's day kill. Target me.

I am Malcolm Reynolds. The reason I feel nark is town is that my role says that I am trying to save as many of my crew as possible. I take this to mean that the members of Serenity who are in the game are town aligned. Now for the reason I am claiming:

1. I do not feel my character's life is worth two townies (the one townie mafia would kill + zoey due to lovers mechanic). So if I end up sacrificing myself it is worth it.

2. There is a good chance I am going to be forced to reveal my role later on today anyways.

3. By having safari confirm my claim it will confirm my case against commander. Not because of what I said but because I used my one investigation on him and found him guilty in red letters.

Please do not hold this against me I actually feel this is the best move for the town.

The red part I have disproven. Other than that - unless someone counter claims you, I'm buying this role. However, I'm not completely sure what's the point of sacrificing yourself when you can live?

If you don't mind, what is your role? Cop doesn't really seem like a very fitting role for Mal. Also, what exactly did your "investigation" said?

[strike wolf]

First of all, if I was mafia I would not know who the traitor is. And certainly not trust a role that is town in name. He is a high probability of a role that is dangerous to mafia and honestly I would have no problem taking him out. Really even if he was a mafia traitor how would I know ihe doesn't have an alternate win condition like in potc and could sell me out in exchange for getting what he wants?

WIFOM. Alliance, according to the story, has all of the richest planets and best tools, so they could offer him the most money (yup, it's a WIFOM, but I'm responding to yours). We don't quite know what's behind this role, but I wanted the town to be aware of him and that he may not be town, but this rigorous defence from you is making me even more suspicious of him. Furthermore, there could be another reason - perhaps you know he's not mafia and you're trying to get additional town points by defending him.

you love trying to point to similarities don't you? Even if I wasn't the first to vote him (I was the second) I was the first to question his motives after the odd comment he made regarding the sound wagon. I put a lot of effort into that case and put a lot more reasoning into it than most including you. 2nd vote is not really a bandwagoning vote yours was farther along the developed band wagon.

You are saying you're an easy case but pointing out even easier cases yep...

I'm just saying that almost the same argument could be provided against you. Even so, I initially wasn't too suspicious of him, thus why I didn't jump early on and we know what triggered me joining the wagon. Lets rewind a bit:

Pointers fircoal: http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?tit ... edirect=no

Not to mention the strength of the name claim. What on earth are you playing at?

Yeah I'm really not trusting Fircoal right now. You can guise it acting like mandy and all but basically all you are doing is trying to shut down other cases. Not to mention his claim is one of the most solid claims that you would find in this game. vote fircoal

Nag was 1st to vote and then you follow straight up with a very strong and solid case Very nice, Strike Wolf, very nice.

Read the top of the page. Both this one and the one you pulled the nag quote from.

I am not even going to bother responding to the rest of your posts. They are the desperate ramblings of a desperate scum. Saf aiming his kill at me will prove my role and then you will be lynched.

I said what my investigation said. Guilty in bright red letters. No I am not a cop I used up my one investigation. You don't need specifics my name claim should be enough.

[safariguy5]

Ok, well in that case, I guess I can live for a while longer at the very least.

Here's to you Mal! (I hope)

Kill Strike Wolf

[safariguy5]

Ok, well in that case, I guess I can live for a while longer at the very least.

Here's to you Mal! (I hope)

Kill Strike Wolf

EBWOP, forgot to make it large as well.

[VioIet]

Vote: Strike Isn't your vote a little bit hypocritical considering you were on both of those bandwagons heavily. Also it seems that you're doing a lot of using information now to say that he should of known it back then. That is illogical. We can only judge people off the information that was out at the time. Yea we know I'm town NOW, but only scum would have known it then. And btw we still don't know if Jayce is town or not, all we have is AD and his claims.

First of does anyone actually read my posts? Because I am starting to seriously doubt it. I never actually placed my vote on the naxus wagon why? Welll here's a series of events

1st: naxus wagon started when he voted sheep. I did not get the case nor was I getting any serious impressions of scum from the people on it so I did not vote.

2nd: naxus wagon grew which led to the discussion remarks. This sounded like a legitimate lead but I did not know the vote count at the time so I did not jump on it.

3rd: streaker becomes 5th vote on naxus wagon by this point I have decided I do not like naxus' responses but did not feel putting him at l-3.

4th: bandwagon continued to grow. I did not feel my vote was really needed and I never put someone at l-1 unless I am convinced the person should be lynched.

This next part goes to everyone. I AM AN AGGRESSIVE PLAYER. If I see someone acting suspicious I pursue it AGGRESSIVELY.

The reason I am going with commander is as follows. He jumped on the naxus bandwagon on what I feel was a weak reason and then made no effort to further his reasons he made posts that were just enough to appear active.

He didn't bring anything new to the table on the next part.

Either way this next part is real important.

I have thought hard about safari's day kill. Target me.

I am Malcolm Reynolds. The reason I feel nark is town is that my role says that I am trying to save as many of my crew as possible. I take this to mean that the members of Serenity who are in the game are town aligned. Now for the reason I am claiming:

1. I do not feel my character's life is worth two townies (the one townie mafia would kill + zoey due to lovers mechanic). So if I end up sacrificing myself it is worth it.

2. There is a good chance I am going to be forced to reveal my role later on today anyways.

3. By having safari confirm my claim it will confirm my case against commander. Not because of what I said but because I used my one investigation on him and found him guilty in red letters.

Please do not hold this against me I actually feel this is the best move for the town.

Well, I suppose it is too late as saf already sent in his kill- but i think i am missing something.

If strike's investigation came back with commander as guilty- then why wouldn't saf target commander instead.

If comm is mafia- both comm and saf die. That is only one townie dying- as saf's lover is already dead.

If comm is town- only saf dies. That is still only one townie dead.

If saf targets mal- which he already did- then Mal dies, and saf lives. This is still only one townie dead.

I suppose the only advantage i see about this whole thing is that we keep our vig. However we lose our cop. That doesn't seem like a great trade-off, considering in all three scenarios- only one townie dies. Even though strike only had a one time investigation- it looks like certain actions can trigger other actions- and he may have been granted another investigation.

But i suppose this course of action will make the lynch easy.

Vote Commander now.

But if it turns out strike isn't Malcolm, which i highly doubt at this point- then i will unvote commander.

[edocsil]

Scene

Zoe merely wanted an end, and with the doc gone it was unlikely that she would be able to find a way to go quietly after her husband. Put she had a plan, she could always count on Mal. He was flying Serenity with Wash gone, no one else really knew how to fly the old ship be him and possibly River. With this in mind she made her way to the flight deck gun in hand. As she entered the room she rapped the butt of her gun against the entrance. Mal, noticing something was amiss began to move to her side but stopped as she lowered her gun. "Kill me Mal. Or I swear to God I will kill you and all of the crew until someone sends me from this world." Without a word Mal drew a knife from his belt and took her gun. Moving behind her. He hesitated, "Forgive me." He whispered. With one quick motion Mal dropped the knife and pinned he to the bulkhead with one arm wrench behind her shoulder. "Zoe, you have been with me from the start. You fought in The War with me, you are part of my crew, you are the closest thing I have to family. I will not lose you now. You do disservice to Wash's memory with this. You likely have an eternity to spend with him do not rush you passing." Feeling the tension in her fade Mal relaxed his hold and help her close to him and waited as she let her tears flow.



Everyone has lived, and the lovers death has been nullified.

[strike wolf]

Like I said. One town death better than two.

[Commander9]

Well, my argument stands, but I'm fairly sure strike will pursue the lynch. In case you wanted to hear my claim - I am Sir Warwick Harrow, Politician.

(Just before you say that I only I appeared in one episode, we already know that our SK only appeared in one episode and we also know that there are no 16 regular characters through-out the series).

(I won't be back until tomorrow or today late night for same reasons I've mentioned yesterday).

[safariguy5]

Vote: Strike Isn't your vote a little bit hypocritical considering you were on both of those bandwagons heavily. Also it seems that you're doing a lot of using information now to say that he should of known it back then. That is illogical. We can only judge people off the information that was out at the time. Yea we know I'm town NOW, but only scum would have known it then. And btw we still don't know if Jayce is town or not, all we have is AD and his claims.

First of does anyone actually read my posts? Because I am starting to seriously doubt it. I never actually placed my vote on the naxus wagon why? Welll here's a series of events

1st: naxus wagon started when he voted sheep. I did not get the case nor was I getting any serious impressions of scum from the people on it so I did not vote.

2nd: naxus wagon grew which led to the discussion remarks. This sounded like a legitimate lead but I did not know the vote count at the time so I did not jump on it.

3rd: streaker becomes 5th vote on naxus wagon by this point I have decided I do not like naxus' responses but did not feel putting him at l-3.

4th: bandwagon continued to grow. I did not feel my vote was really needed and I never put someone at l-1 unless I am convinced the person should be lynched.

This next part goes to everyone. I AM AN AGGRESSIVE PLAYER. If I see someone acting suspicious I pursue it AGGRESSIVELY.

The reason I am going with commander is as follows. He jumped on the naxus bandwagon on what I feel was a weak reason and then made no effort to further his reasons he made posts that were just enough to appear active.

He didn't bring anything new to the table on the next part.

Either way this next part is real important.

I have thought hard about safari's day kill. Target me.

I am Malcolm Reynolds. The reason I feel nark is town is that my role says that I am trying to save as many of my crew as possible. I take this to mean that the members of Serenity who are in the game are town aligned. Now for the reason I am claiming:

1. I do not feel my character's life is worth two townies (the one townie mafia would kill + zoey due to lovers mechanic). So if I end up sacrificing myself it is worth it.

2. There is a good chance I am going to be forced to reveal my role later on today anyways.

3. By having safari confirm my claim it will confirm my case against commander. Not because of what I said but because I used my one investigation on him and found him guilty in red letters.

Please do not hold this against me I actually feel this is the best move for the town.

Well, I suppose it is too late as saf already sent in his kill- but i think i am missing something.

If strike's investigation came back with commander as guilty- then why wouldn't saf target commander instead.

If comm is mafia- both comm and saf die. That is only one townie dying- as saf's lover is already dead.

If comm is town- only saf dies. That is still only one townie dead.

If saf targets mal- which he already did- then Mal dies, and saf lives. This is still only one townie dead.

I suppose the only advantage i see about this whole thing is that we keep our vig. However we lose our cop. That doesn't seem like a great trade-off, considering in all three scenarios- only one townie dies. Even though strike only had a one time investigation- it looks like certain actions can trigger other actions- and he may have been granted another investigation.

But i suppose this course of action will make the lynch easy.

Vote Commander now.

But if it turns out strike isn't Malcolm, which i highly doubt at this point- then i will unvote commander.

As I said and proved by the day scene, if I targeted Mal, then we both live and I am no longer bound to die by the lover condition.

unvote vote Com9

[strike wolf]

Yes and I would not have role claimed if I hadn't known you to be saying that was the case. I think we are in good standing with the com wagon right now so before we rush the lynch do people want to talk about other suspects?

[safariguy5]

Yes and I would not have role claimed if I hadn't known you to be saying that was the case. I think we are in good standing with the com wagon right now so before we rush the lynch do people want to talk about other suspects?

I definitely think you and I are the only completely cleared people so far. While you said you were 1-shot investigative only, I think I'm probably high on the NK list as both mafia and SKer must be concerned. I kinda doubt getting a doc protection as our doc is dead, so maybe we should come up with a list of possibly suspicious people and I'll choose one and pray they're not town. I think there's a greater than 50% chance I don't live through the night with 2 NK's probable.