Pokemon Endgame: Mafia Victory + jonty

[nagerous]

Vote Hank44Soccer

As far as I'm concerned he is the best case out there. His actions on day 1 strike me as highly scummy and I don't think he should be allowed to get away with scott free. The case against fissk was very weak at best, I said this all along when I had time to post but people ignored this and instead chose to bandwagon fissk like jonty. I think maybe, hank's scum buddies were surrepticiously trying to move the case away from hank and onto fissk.

Someone who makes posts like these cannot get away with not being properly pressurised. Also, he has done a no show this day phase

We have a "???" vote on TheFissk.
Perhaps there's a doublevoter out there?

If there is we need to find out who!

has anyone ever heard of a mafia alliance?

and his reasoning for the second comment didn't wash with me.

He is been noticeably quiet on the voting too, he hasn't voted at all once - perhaps as a scum he is trying to not make any enemies.

My second case is against Jonty and in my view he deserves a FOS.

Personally, I haven't seen any noteworthy contributions from him in this game. All he has provided so far was bandwagoning and to tell us he is going away for a while.

I would also like to extend another FOS to evilchaos, he has come accross as quite lynch happy and pushing for a claim when someone is -7, really?

On AoG - I agree with the sentiment that he would be the perfect NK, he is acted scummy and jestersque which makes me not want to lynch him, especially for his fakeclaim which I'm sure he knew would be countered and then his meowth claim, a role likely to be scum for his notorious connection with

[nagerous]

Team Rocket. (sorry I pressed submit accidently)

[kratos644]

wow, this thread has taken off during my weekend vacation.

Yes, I agree about the case on AoG as jester. Something tells me there is a jester in this game, and AoG is a likely candidate.

I find the concept of this game quite clever. Seeing how there are all these wild pokemons lying around, it is very likely that all pokemon roles start out neutral and then they change alignment based on who recruits them. So that means there must be humans recruiting them, possibly Ash, Misty, their friends, Team Rocket, etc. (I don't know my pokemon characters, so I take it you know what I mean). So it would make sense that Meow would start neutral and then get recruited to Team Rocket or soemthing like that. Despite the fact that it is considered an "evil" pokemon, I remember it being said that "no pokemon start out evil, it's the trainers who get them to do good or bad things." So yes, Meow starting out neutral seems reasonable.

Also, I would rather not lynch AoG in case he is the jester. I'd rather pursue someone else, possibly Hank ("Does anyone know anything about Mafia Alliances"), and other than that I don't know who else sounds scummy, and don't know why nag or jonty have scum tags on them by other players.

-SG7 ( )

Let's just go ahead and say not all pokemon start out as neutral... I could see meowth starting out as scum with team rocket.

[nagerous]

This makes me suspicious of Freezie and his spearow miller claim. I think this is a scum tactic. Most pokemon seem to either be wild survivors or perhaps tied to a trainer, pro-town ones or scum. The game framework which we're learning more and more about seems to contradict his claim.

[naxus]

wow, this thread has taken off during my weekend vacation.

Yes, I agree about the case on AoG as jester. Something tells me there is a jester in this game, and AoG is a likely candidate.

I find the concept of this game quite clever. Seeing how there are all these wild pokemons lying around, it is very likely that all pokemon roles start out neutral and then they change alignment based on who recruits them. So that means there must be humans recruiting them, possibly Ash, Misty, their friends, Team Rocket, etc. (I don't know my pokemon characters, so I take it you know what I mean). So it would make sense that Meow would start neutral and then get recruited to Team Rocket or soemthing like that. Despite the fact that it is considered an "evil" pokemon, I remember it being said that "no pokemon start out evil, it's the trainers who get them to do good or bad things." So yes, Meow starting out neutral seems reasonable.

Also, I would rather not lynch AoG in case he is the jester. I'd rather pursue someone else, possibly Hank ("Does anyone know anything about Mafia Alliances"), and other than that I don't know who else sounds scummy, and don't know why nag or jonty have scum tags on them by other players.

-SG7 ( )

Let's just go ahead and say not all pokemon start out as neutral... I could see meowth starting out as scum with team rocket.

Since this is basically a huge cult game. There seems like there could be a few factions. Ash, Misty and brock vs Team rocket Vs Gary Vs maybe gym leaders/elite four. IF the cults start out with 2 or three then it seems like AOG should be lynched now for info. But if theres only two or three cults with just a leader apiece then AOG lives and Hank should be investigated about the mafia alliance.

Sorry about inactivity, RL been busy

Fastposted: Freezies claim is a 50/50 shot. Either she actually is a miller and was told or is scum trying to cover her ass.

[gimli1990]

i have been following this just to get a handle on this and i think i agree with the Hank44soccer case

but also Jonty has been acting a little suspect. so i am not sure what way to go.

this may be a dumb question but what does "FOS" stand for?

[DoomYoshi]

i have been following this just to get a handle on this and i think i agree with the Hank44soccer case

but also Jonty has been acting a little suspect. so i am not sure what way to go.

this may be a dumb question but what does "FOS" stand for?

Finger of Suspicion

[freezie]

This makes me suspicious of Freezie and his spearow miller claim. I think this is a scum tactic. Most pokemon seem to either be wild survivors or perhaps tied to a trainer, pro-town ones or scum. The game framework which we're learning more and more about seems to contradict his claim.

Which is the very reason I beleive that only a handful of pokemons are wild or third party, or that I am one of the few exceptions. My role pm clearly says town, and if needed I will gladly be lynched to prove it.

I also beleive pikachu would likely be town, aswell.


Anyway, your case against hank holds water, more because of the doublevoter thing than the alliance..


Vote: Hank

[freezie]

Fastposted: Freezies claim is a 50/50 shot. Either she actually is a miller and was told or is scum trying to cover her ass.

HEç

[Rodion]

i have been following this just to get a handle on this and i think i agree with the Hank44soccer case

but also Jonty has been acting a little suspect. so i am not sure what way to go.

this may be a dumb question but what does "FOS" stand for?

Finger of Suspicion

Yes. Basically a way of saying you suspect the person is anti-town without actually casting a vote.

Vote Hank for pressure.

Fastpostes by Freezie (twice!!!): are you a he or a she?

[naxus]

Fastposted: Freezies claim is a 50/50 shot. Either she actually is a miller and was told or is scum trying to cover her ass.

HEç

um what????

[Victor Sullivan]

*facepalm* Yes, freezie is a "he". And unless he's got some Chastity Bono past I'm not aware of, he's always been that way...

-Sully

[jonty125]

chose to bandwagon fissk like jonty

I didn't vote for Fissk to join the wagon, I voted him to get a D1 lynch and he seemed suspicious and when he roleclaimed he claimed his win condition was to lynch a townie so I wasn't exactly going to shift my positon.

And I know you are going to use this to strenghten your case against me but vote Hank for his question on Mafia Alliances (I did have a vote for him on D1 but shifted to the Fissk because 1 vote on Hank was going to make too much of an effect)

[shieldgenerator7]

Ok I didn't realize that freezie claimed town miller. That means that some pokemon start out neutral , some mafia, and some town, assuming freezie's telling the truth. So maybe meow is evil in this game. IDK, but I still think AoG might be the jester.

Vote Hank

his suspicious behaviour D1 seems rather scummy. I believe that puts him at L-3.

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count:

Army of God (1) - kratos644
Hank44Soccer (6) - shieldgenerator7, Rodion, jonty125, nagerous, freezie, evilchaos L-4
shaggydan (1) - Streaker

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch

[Mr. Squirrel]

Also, I would rather not lynch AoG in case he is the jester. I'd rather pursue someone else, possibly Hank ("Does anyone know anything about Mafia Alliances"), and other than that I don't know who else sounds scummy, and don't know why nag or jonty have scum tags on them by other players.

Vote Hank

his suspicious behaviour D1 seems rather scummy. I believe that puts him at L-3.

It's very strange that you would lend yourself to this wagon, SG7. Especially when on day 1 you were saying this:

ok, so this whole thing exploded when Hank asked about Mafia Alliances.
My guess is he meant he wanted to have an alliance with another player, hoping that the other player was also town so he could be more protected (from vig kills, cop investigations etc). I don't find the question all that scummy although I uunderstand why it looks that way.
I haven't seen any major scum tells as of yet, but I'm tempted to hop on TheFissk wagon because it looks fun.

Seems to me that a scummate was trying to protect his mate on day 1, but then gave up day 2 and tried to distance himself from him. vote hank, FOS SG7

[shieldgenerator7]

Also, I would rather not lynch AoG in case he is the jester. I'd rather pursue someone else, possibly Hank ("Does anyone know anything about Mafia Alliances"), and other than that I don't know who else sounds scummy, and don't know why nag or jonty have scum tags on them by other players.

Vote Hank

his suspicious behaviour D1 seems rather scummy. I believe that puts him at L-3.

It's very strange that you would lend yourself to this wagon, SG7. Especially when on day 1 you were saying this:

ok, so this whole thing exploded when Hank asked about Mafia Alliances.
My guess is he meant he wanted to have an alliance with another player, hoping that the other player was also town so he could be more protected (from vig kills, cop investigations etc). I don't find the question all that scummy although I uunderstand why it looks that way.
I haven't seen any major scum tells as of yet, but I'm tempted to hop on TheFissk wagon because it looks fun.

Seems to me that a scummate was trying to protect his mate on day 1, but then gave up day 2 and tried to distance himself from him. vote hank, FOS SG7

Back on D1 we were all still blind as to what the game setup might be. I thought we were all pokemon, so I decided Hank was just trying to protect himself. But seeing how we've uncovered a lot of how this game works, it makes sense that Hank asking about a "Mafia Alliance" would make him scum because we now realize that there are trainers in this game that recruit the pokemon and thus his question is telling in that it may reveal that he is a trainer/ recruiter, possibly scum (or rather most likely scum). I didn't want to jump on Hank for an honest looking question without any info. But now in light of the game setup his question doesn't look so innocent anymore. And that is one reason why I voted him.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Also, I would rather not lynch AoG in case he is the jester. I'd rather pursue someone else, possibly Hank ("Does anyone know anything about Mafia Alliances"), and other than that I don't know who else sounds scummy, and don't know why nag or jonty have scum tags on them by other players.

Vote Hank

his suspicious behaviour D1 seems rather scummy. I believe that puts him at L-3.

It's very strange that you would lend yourself to this wagon, SG7. Especially when on day 1 you were saying this:

ok, so this whole thing exploded when Hank asked about Mafia Alliances.
My guess is he meant he wanted to have an alliance with another player, hoping that the other player was also town so he could be more protected (from vig kills, cop investigations etc). I don't find the question all that scummy although I uunderstand why it looks that way.
I haven't seen any major scum tells as of yet, but I'm tempted to hop on TheFissk wagon because it looks fun.

Seems to me that a scummate was trying to protect his mate on day 1, but then gave up day 2 and tried to distance himself from him. vote hank, FOS SG7

Back on D1 we were all still blind as to what the game setup might be. I thought we were all pokemon, so I decided Hank was just trying to protect himself. But seeing how we've uncovered a lot of how this game works, it makes sense that Hank asking about a "Mafia Alliance" would make him scum because we now realize that there are trainers in this game that recruit the pokemon and thus his question is telling in that it may reveal that he is a trainer/ recruiter, possibly scum (or rather most likely scum). I didn't want to jump on Hank for an honest looking question without any info. But now in light of the game setup his question doesn't look so innocent anymore. And that is one reason why I voted him.

All of our knowledge on how the game works is purely speculation. There is no "in light of the game setup," because we have shed no light on the the setup itself. We have no evidence of trainers so far, and the evidence we have on roles actually points us away from the "everyone neutral until recruited" idea. Onix was a trainer's pokemon (go back and check). If we are dealing with recruiters, then how could onix have been 'caught' prior to night 1? This bandwagon that we have on hank is based completely on speculation and due to the fact that he hasn't been posting (and won't be defending himself), it is basically a shot in the dark. There has been no clear evidence between day 1 and day 2 that has given any more believability to hank's case. The fact that you flip-flop regardless is scummy if you ask me.

[jonty125]

Also, I would rather not lynch AoG in case he is the jester. I'd rather pursue someone else, possibly Hank ("Does anyone know anything about Mafia Alliances"), and other than that I don't know who else sounds scummy, and don't know why nag or jonty have scum tags on them by other players.

Vote Hank

his suspicious behaviour D1 seems rather scummy. I believe that puts him at L-3.

It's very strange that you would lend yourself to this wagon, SG7. Especially when on day 1 you were saying this:

ok, so this whole thing exploded when Hank asked about Mafia Alliances.
My guess is he meant he wanted to have an alliance with another player, hoping that the other player was also town so he could be more protected (from vig kills, cop investigations etc). I don't find the question all that scummy although I uunderstand why it looks that way.
I haven't seen any major scum tells as of yet, but I'm tempted to hop on TheFissk wagon because it looks fun.

Seems to me that a scummate was trying to protect his mate on day 1, but then gave up day 2 and tried to distance himself from him. vote hank, FOS SG7

Back on D1 we were all still blind as to what the game setup might be. I thought we were all pokemon, so I decided Hank was just trying to protect himself. But seeing how we've uncovered a lot of how this game works, it makes sense that Hank asking about a "Mafia Alliance" would make him scum because we now realize that there are trainers in this game that recruit the pokemon and thus his question is telling in that it may reveal that he is a trainer/ recruiter, possibly scum (or rather most likely scum). I didn't want to jump on Hank for an honest looking question without any info. But now in light of the game setup his question doesn't look so innocent anymore. And that is one reason why I voted him.

All of our knowledge on how the game works is purely speculation. There is no "in light of the game setup," because we have shed no light on the the setup itself. We have no evidence of trainers so far, and the evidence we have on roles actually points us away from the "everyone neutral until recruited" idea. Onix was a trainer's pokemon (go back and check). If we are dealing with recruiters, then how could onix have been 'caught' prior to night 1? This bandwagon that we have on hank is based completely on speculation and due to the fact that he hasn't been posting (and won't be defending himself), it is basically a shot in the dark. There has been no clear evidence between day 1 and day 2 that has given any more believability to hank's case. The fact that you flip-flop regardless is scummy if you ask me.

We appear to have a D3 candiate (considering AoG is lynched)

[shieldgenerator7]

Ok maybe we have not been completely enlightened as to what the game setup is but we do have a little more of an idea of what is going on now that it's D2 and we have flavor and what not to speculate on. And yes there are others reasons I'm voting hank but I think it is very possible that he is a mafia recruiter, even if it is based on speculation.
FASTPOSTED by jonty

[evilchaos]

Also, I would rather not lynch AoG in case he is the jester. I'd rather pursue someone else, possibly Hank ("Does anyone know anything about Mafia Alliances"), and other than that I don't know who else sounds scummy, and don't know why nag or jonty have scum tags on them by other players.

Vote Hank

his suspicious behaviour D1 seems rather scummy. I believe that puts him at L-3.

It's very strange that you would lend yourself to this wagon, SG7. Especially when on day 1 you were saying this:

ok, so this whole thing exploded when Hank asked about Mafia Alliances.
My guess is he meant he wanted to have an alliance with another player, hoping that the other player was also town so he could be more protected (from vig kills, cop investigations etc). I don't find the question all that scummy although I uunderstand why it looks that way.
I haven't seen any major scum tells as of yet, but I'm tempted to hop on TheFissk wagon because it looks fun.

Seems to me that a scummate was trying to protect his mate on day 1, but then gave up day 2 and tried to distance himself from him. vote hank, FOS SG7

Back on D1 we were all still blind as to what the game setup might be. I thought we were all pokemon, so I decided Hank was just trying to protect himself. But seeing how we've uncovered a lot of how this game works, it makes sense that Hank asking about a "Mafia Alliance" would make him scum because we now realize that there are trainers in this game that recruit the pokemon and thus his question is telling in that it may reveal that he is a trainer/ recruiter, possibly scum (or rather most likely scum). I didn't want to jump on Hank for an honest looking question without any info. But now in light of the game setup his question doesn't look so innocent anymore. And that is one reason why I voted him.

All of our knowledge on how the game works is purely speculation. There is no "in light of the game setup," because we have shed no light on the the setup itself. We have no evidence of trainers so far, and the evidence we have on roles actually points us away from the "everyone neutral until recruited" idea. Onix was a trainer's pokemon (go back and check). If we are dealing with recruiters, then how could onix have been 'caught' prior to night 1? This bandwagon that we have on hank is based completely on speculation and due to the fact that he hasn't been posting (and won't be defending himself), it is basically a shot in the dark. There has been no clear evidence between day 1 and day 2 that has given any more believability to hank's case. The fact that you flip-flop regardless is scummy if you ask me.

We appear to have a D3 candiate (considering AoG is lynched)

Skimming detected. If you were reading all posts, then you would know that we've decided pretty much unanimously not to lynch AoG.

FoS Jonty

[jonty125]

Sorry, I meant killed by vig

[jonty125]

EBWOP: I had previously unvoted AoG, so I didn't find out about the don't lynch AoG decision, through being accused of skimming

[evilchaos]

I had previously unvoted AoG, so I didn't find out about the don't lynch AoG decision.

If you read all posts, as town always does, then you would know about the decision. It doesn't matter whether or not you had your vote on AoG. You should be reading everything. Failure to do so makes you seem extremely scummy. You just basically admitted to skimming.

Unvote vote Jonty

[shieldgenerator7]

jonty's skimmy may make him suspect... but IDK if it warrants a vote. i think hank may be the scummier choice, and plus we can lynch jonty tomorrow if he really seems that scummy.