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Postby Aimless on Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:38 pm

vgmmaster wrote:@Aimless - I wasn't sure who to vote for, and when Minkish didn't answer my question, he seemed suspicious (like he was trying to escape). Yes, it was a mistake. Funny thing is though, when people have an idea and act on it, everybody else doesn't say anything until they are dead. By that point, everybody says it was a great idea or a horrible idea. As Minkish appeared to be the cop and doc, people are saying it was a horrible idea. However, can anybody honestly say that they didn't expect Minkish to at least some extent?


I fully admit that I thought Minkish was acting scummy at the time. I wouldn't have voted for him otherwise.

On the other hand, it also occurs to me that posing that question as a mafia member is a great tactic. It prevents it from ever being used against you, and it helps the mafia to identify power roles. Which is the basis of my suspicion. Furthermore, you proposed the tactic, and yet you still FOS'd Fircoal back on page 28. Seems strange. Hence, my suspicion.
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Postby Anarkistsdream on Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:44 pm

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FOS: Aimless for acting like some sort of leader when it mostly just looks like you are trying to start bandwagons and strife


Hmmm. I'm not really trying to act like a leader, just trying to revive a dying thread.

You know... I almost get a gut feeling that you, vgm, and Puff are working together on this. For some reason, you all seem adamant against Fircoal, who is about the only confirmed townie we have.


Have you seen our past few discussions in the last few pages...? We trust each other, I'd say... Fircoal may disagree.
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Postby Aimless on Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:50 pm

... d'oh. For some reason, it never occurred to me that your FOS of Fircoal was in jest. Gah! I'm stupid...

Well, I retract my statement.
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Postby Anarkistsdream on Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:51 pm

Hitman, I'm sorry, but when is the deadline, bro?
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Postby Fircoal on Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:04 pm

The fact that AD, and VGM trust Puff, make me supicious of them.

I feel I can trust Everywhere, and Aimless
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Postby Kill_Schmitty on Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:16 pm

Alright well Im trying to read over these 30 pages the best I can but what sticks out to me is when Everywhere really attacked Minkish. You tried to get him to role claim early in the game. This could be used at a tactic to where if he doesnt role claim people don't trust him and if he did role claim then the mafia would know who was the cop/doc. This is what im getting so far but if i missed something like you explaing your actions then please point out the page or just tell me again... but until then

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Postby vgmmaster on Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:44 am

Aimless wrote:
vgmmaster wrote:@Aimless - I wasn't sure who to vote for, and when Minkish didn't answer my question, he seemed suspicious (like he was trying to escape). Yes, it was a mistake. Funny thing is though, when people have an idea and act on it, everybody else doesn't say anything until they are dead. By that point, everybody says it was a great idea or a horrible idea. As Minkish appeared to be the cop and doc, people are saying it was a horrible idea. However, can anybody honestly say that they didn't expect Minkish to at least some extent?


I fully admit that I thought Minkish was acting scummy at the time. I wouldn't have voted for him otherwise.

On the other hand, it also occurs to me that posing that question as a mafia member is a great tactic. It prevents it from ever being used against you, and it helps the mafia to identify power roles. Which is the basis of my suspicion. Furthermore, you proposed the tactic, and yet you still FOS'd Fircoal back on page 28. Seems strange. Hence, my suspicion.


Let me explain. Let's say you're a townie and I ask you the 5th word in your win condition. Let's say the word is werewolf. As I'm a townie, I would check my roleclaim and see if you're correct. If you are, you're a townie. If not, you are probably a werewolf. Because of Minkish's reluctance to answer (technically, he never did), I assumed he was mafia. Yes, I'll agree that the plan backfired and probably screwed us over in this game. However, we didn't really have much else to go on as I mentioned earlier.

I do see your point of view though. I'm just trying to explain myself.

Fircoal wrote:The fact that AD, and VGM trust Puff, make me supicious of them.

I feel I can trust Everywhere, and Aimless


I don't ever remember saying that I trust Puff. Where'd you get that crazy idea?

FOS: Fircoal for making up lies

Also Fircoal, I'm still suspicious of you because Minkish voted for you. I believe he may have tried to tell us something.

Also, Puff and AD may be working together, I'm not really sure.

FOS: Puff and AD
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Postby vgmmaster on Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:46 am

@Aimless - Also, my idea did not have him roleclaim. He only had to tell me a single word from his WC. He didn't comply, so I suspected him.

(Forgot to mention this in my previous post)
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Postby Anarkistsdream on Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:45 am

Where has it seemed that Puff and I were working together???

I'd like to know, because I guarantee we are not. I don't know if he is a werewolf or a townie, but I know that I am pro-town...
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Postby vgmmaster on Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:50 am

Anarkistsdream wrote:Where has it seemed that Puff and I were working together???


I looked back and saw that Puff voted for you. Also, AD voted for me at one point as well, so I don't see how you think we're working together.
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Postby Fircoal on Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:32 am

vgmmaster wrote:
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vgmmaster wrote:@Aimless - I wasn't sure who to vote for, and when Minkish didn't answer my question, he seemed suspicious (like he was trying to escape). Yes, it was a mistake. Funny thing is though, when people have an idea and act on it, everybody else doesn't say anything until they are dead. By that point, everybody says it was a great idea or a horrible idea. As Minkish appeared to be the cop and doc, people are saying it was a horrible idea. However, can anybody honestly say that they didn't expect Minkish to at least some extent?


I fully admit that I thought Minkish was acting scummy at the time. I wouldn't have voted for him otherwise.

On the other hand, it also occurs to me that posing that question as a mafia member is a great tactic. It prevents it from ever being used against you, and it helps the mafia to identify power roles. Which is the basis of my suspicion. Furthermore, you proposed the tactic, and yet you still FOS'd Fircoal back on page 28. Seems strange. Hence, my suspicion.


Let me explain. Let's say you're a townie and I ask you the 5th word in your win condition. Let's say the word is werewolf. As I'm a townie, I would check my roleclaim and see if you're correct. If you are, you're a townie. If not, you are probably a werewolf. Because of Minkish's reluctance to answer (technically, he never did), I assumed he was mafia. Yes, I'll agree that the plan backfired and probably screwed us over in this game. However, we didn't really have much else to go on as I mentioned earlier.

I do see your point of view though. I'm just trying to explain myself.

Fircoal wrote:The fact that AD, and VGM trust Puff, make me supicious of them.

I feel I can trust Everywhere, and Aimless


I don't ever remember saying that I trust Puff. Where'd you get that crazy idea?

FOS: Fircoal for making up lies

Also Fircoal, I'm still suspicious of you because Minkish voted for you. I believe he may have tried to tell us something.

Also, Puff and AD may be working together, I'm not really sure.

FOS: Puff and AD


I got that crazy idea from AD.
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Postby vgmmaster on Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:34 am

Fircoal wrote:
vgmmaster wrote:
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vgmmaster wrote:@Aimless - I wasn't sure who to vote for, and when Minkish didn't answer my question, he seemed suspicious (like he was trying to escape). Yes, it was a mistake. Funny thing is though, when people have an idea and act on it, everybody else doesn't say anything until they are dead. By that point, everybody says it was a great idea or a horrible idea. As Minkish appeared to be the cop and doc, people are saying it was a horrible idea. However, can anybody honestly say that they didn't expect Minkish to at least some extent?


I fully admit that I thought Minkish was acting scummy at the time. I wouldn't have voted for him otherwise.

On the other hand, it also occurs to me that posing that question as a mafia member is a great tactic. It prevents it from ever being used against you, and it helps the mafia to identify power roles. Which is the basis of my suspicion. Furthermore, you proposed the tactic, and yet you still FOS'd Fircoal back on page 28. Seems strange. Hence, my suspicion.


Let me explain. Let's say you're a townie and I ask you the 5th word in your win condition. Let's say the word is werewolf. As I'm a townie, I would check my roleclaim and see if you're correct. If you are, you're a townie. If not, you are probably a werewolf. Because of Minkish's reluctance to answer (technically, he never did), I assumed he was mafia. Yes, I'll agree that the plan backfired and probably screwed us over in this game. However, we didn't really have much else to go on as I mentioned earlier.

I do see your point of view though. I'm just trying to explain myself.

Fircoal wrote:The fact that AD, and VGM trust Puff, make me supicious of them.

I feel I can trust Everywhere, and Aimless


I don't ever remember saying that I trust Puff. Where'd you get that crazy idea?

FOS: Fircoal for making up lies

Also Fircoal, I'm still suspicious of you because Minkish voted for you. I believe he may have tried to tell us something.

Also, Puff and AD may be working together, I'm not really sure.

FOS: Puff and AD


I got that crazy idea from AD.


Is that a confession Fircoal?
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Postby Fircoal on Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:35 am

Anarkistsdream wrote:
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FOS: Aimless for acting like some sort of leader when it mostly just looks like you are trying to start bandwagons and strife


Hmmm. I'm not really trying to act like a leader, just trying to revive a dying thread.

You know... I almost get a gut feeling that you, vgm, and Puff are working together on this. For some reason, you all seem adamant against Fircoal, who is about the only confirmed townie we have.


Have you seen our past few discussions in the last few pages...? We trust each other, I'd say... Fircoal may disagree.


Here is the post. And looks even scummier than before.
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Postby Fircoal on Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:37 am

vgmmaster wrote:
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vgmmaster wrote:
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vgmmaster wrote:@Aimless - I wasn't sure who to vote for, and when Minkish didn't answer my question, he seemed suspicious (like he was trying to escape). Yes, it was a mistake. Funny thing is though, when people have an idea and act on it, everybody else doesn't say anything until they are dead. By that point, everybody says it was a great idea or a horrible idea. As Minkish appeared to be the cop and doc, people are saying it was a horrible idea. However, can anybody honestly say that they didn't expect Minkish to at least some extent?


I fully admit that I thought Minkish was acting scummy at the time. I wouldn't have voted for him otherwise.

On the other hand, it also occurs to me that posing that question as a mafia member is a great tactic. It prevents it from ever being used against you, and it helps the mafia to identify power roles. Which is the basis of my suspicion. Furthermore, you proposed the tactic, and yet you still FOS'd Fircoal back on page 28. Seems strange. Hence, my suspicion.


Let me explain. Let's say you're a townie and I ask you the 5th word in your win condition. Let's say the word is werewolf. As I'm a townie, I would check my roleclaim and see if you're correct. If you are, you're a townie. If not, you are probably a werewolf. Because of Minkish's reluctance to answer (technically, he never did), I assumed he was mafia. Yes, I'll agree that the plan backfired and probably screwed us over in this game. However, we didn't really have much else to go on as I mentioned earlier.

I do see your point of view though. I'm just trying to explain myself.

Fircoal wrote:The fact that AD, and VGM trust Puff, make me supicious of them.

I feel I can trust Everywhere, and Aimless


I don't ever remember saying that I trust Puff. Where'd you get that crazy idea?

FOS: Fircoal for making up lies

Also Fircoal, I'm still suspicious of you because Minkish voted for you. I believe he may have tried to tell us something.

Also, Puff and AD may be working together, I'm not really sure.

FOS: Puff and AD


I got that crazy idea from AD.


Is that a confession Fircoal?


No. See above post for how.
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Postby vgmmaster on Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:43 am

Fircoal wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
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FOS: Aimless for acting like some sort of leader when it mostly just looks like you are trying to start bandwagons and strife


Hmmm. I'm not really trying to act like a leader, just trying to revive a dying thread.

You know... I almost get a gut feeling that you, vgm, and Puff are working together on this. For some reason, you all seem adamant against Fircoal, who is about the only confirmed townie we have.


Have you seen our past few discussions in the last few pages...? We trust each other, I'd say... Fircoal may disagree.


Here is the post. And looks even scummier than before.


hmmm...I'll have to think on that.

I might post more, but I'm leaving soon.
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Postby Kill_Schmitty on Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:09 am

Trusting anybody is a bad idea. The only people you can trust are the dead ones because the mod tells you their rolls. The only other way you should trust anybody is if your mafia and you know everybody elses roles. So to me just saying you trust somebody seems suspicous to me.
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Postby Aimless on Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:40 pm

Well, you can't suspect everyone, or else you get no where.

Personally, I trust Fircoal and everywhere more than I do vgm, AD, and Puff.
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Postby Kill_Schmitty on Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:08 pm

I partially agree with you, usually i dont trust anyone but suspect others more. If you trust someone and dont think about it again then its possible to come back and bite you in the butt at the end. im just saying just because you trust them dont count them out just yet. But why do you trust Fircoal and Everywhere more?
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Postby Aimless on Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:11 pm

On day one, during the lynching of Minkish, we asked Fircoal to identify the last word in his role PM. He answered correctly, so he is almost assuredly a villager. Everywhere was the first person to confirm Fircoal's answer, which leads me to believe that he is more likely a villager than not, although the case there is substantially less strong.

THe relevant posts are somewhere around page 17.
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Postby vgmmaster on Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:43 am

I must have forgot that he did answer the question. :oops:

Seeing how I was in three games at that present time, it must have slipped past me probably.

Anyways, Aimless, I still don't trust you, but if anything, Puff seems the most suspicious to me.

Concerning Puff though, while willing to place a vote on him, he always acts scummy in my opinion.
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Postby Kill_Schmitty on Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:47 pm

oh well thats a good strategy... unless the mod is smart and makes them all end in the same word... and do we know how many werewolves there are? because I cant seem to find it on the first page.
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Postby vgmmaster on Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:29 pm

Kill_Schmitty wrote:oh well thats a good strategy... unless the mod is smart and makes them all end in the same word... and do we know how many werewolves there are? because I cant seem to find it on the first page.


As a rule of thumb, it's probably 3 as that's the most common in games of this size.
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Postby Balsiefen on Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:31 pm

ok, i missed a day because i was in Leeds and now it seems everyone is acusing everyone and, even though i've read it through i'm still confused

so.. who's accusing who?
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Postby vgmmaster on Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:32 pm

I just noticed that the deadline is very soon and we need to vote. Quick.

As puff is the most suspicious, he recieves my vote.

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Postby Fircoal on Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:32 pm

I'd think 4, because it started out with 16 players.
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