Chris Nolan Mafia - Game Over [ARCHIVE]

[pancakemix]

Mistaken Identity

EXT. WAREHOUSE RUINS - MORNING

The town has gathered around the ruins of the destroyed warehouse. A NEWS REPORTER is broadcasting from the scene.

REP: Police have not identified the victim, who according to the police report was kidnapped by the Joker, the suspect in the murder of Teddy Gammel, and rescued by the Batman. These reports have been met with some criticism due to the fact that Nagerous, revealed to be the alter ego of the Batman, was killed the previous night.

INT. TA1LGUNN3R'S HOUSE - MORNING

TA1LGUNN3R is shutting his closet door. He hears a thump behind him. The Joker is in his home and has shut the door to the bedroom.

Joker: Didn't you hear all those fireworks last night?

TG: I...

Joker: You'll be happy to hear no one died. That's certainly something to...

The Joker pulls out a switchblade.

Joker: ...smile about.

TA1LGUNN3R aka Eames (Inception, 2010) Pro Town Impersonator has been killed!



Day continues. With 7 alive it takes 5 to lynch

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Goddamnit. I still had a few tricks up my sleeve, fuckers. Go town.

-Tails

[VioIet]

Okay, process of elimination time.

Me, Fir, Streaker, Tails(deceased), and Edoc have all claimed. Shield is dead. Everyone who is dead has been town and one (shield) has been 3rd party.

The only ones unclaimed are commander, spiers and sheep. At least 2 of those 3 have to be mafia.

[Streaker]

Okay, process of elimination time.

Me, Fir, Streaker, Tails(deceased), and Edoc have all claimed. Shield is dead. Everyone who is dead has been town and one (shield) has been 3rd party.

The only ones unclaimed are commander, spiers and sheep. At least 2 of those 3 have to be mafia.

True, and of those I think we should scratch spiesr. Leaving commander and sheep.

[Fircoal]

OOOH! It's CLAIMING TIME!

Let's hear those claims.

[Commander9]

Well, I don't see the need to hide my role here. Yes, I can confirm I'm Leonard. Before going into detail about my role, consider me something like a JOAT. Only problem is that I don't get to choose the action

I will give some more information about my role: I had 2 win conditions. My primary consisted of finding, and killing (or being the lead in his lynch) of John G. After he was daykilled Day 1, I got a PM from the mod telling me my mission failed. My main win condition therefore switched to a normal town player.

Also, killing Batman was an accident. There is actually a pretty good chance I was helping him
The lack of a night kill this night is possibly my doing. I targeted edoc this night, and now NO kill?

And to finish my post, a little bit of metagaming.
Commander is known to be the first one to post right after a good town night, with applause how well the night is. Referencing C9 mafia, he was the one to win the game as mafia.

Added to spiesr's accusations of commander, I think he makes the best lead for now.

Brilliant post

Let me sum it up quickly:
I) You have killed people and you claim you have no control over who and when you kill. That's nice.
II) Your case against me is that I have posted as a first player after a night and that I have done that in Nostalgia mafia. Superb cognitive skills! Should I show you games where I have done that as a town or not done when I was mafia?
III) You almost blindly follow Spiesr, who's most likely the joker.

True, and of those I think we should scratch spiesr. Leaving commander and sheep.

How come we scratch spiesr? Because you two are connected?

[sheepofdumb]

Well, I don't see the need to hide my role here. Yes, I can confirm I'm Leonard. Before going into detail about my role, consider me something like a JOAT. Only problem is that I don't get to choose the action

I will give some more information about my role: I had 2 win conditions. My primary consisted of finding, and killing (or being the lead in his lynch) of John G. After he was daykilled Day 1, I got a PM from the mod telling me my mission failed. My main win condition therefore switched to a normal town player.

Also, killing Batman was an accident. There is actually a pretty good chance I was helping him
The lack of a night kill this night is possibly my doing. I targeted edoc this night, and now NO kill?

And to finish my post, a little bit of metagaming.
Commander is known to be the first one to post right after a good town night, with applause how well the night is. Referencing C9 mafia, he was the one to win the game as mafia.

Added to spiesr's accusations of commander, I think he makes the best lead for now.

Brilliant post

Let me sum it up quickly:
I) You have killed people and you claim you have no control over who and when you kill. That's nice.
II) Your case against me is that I have posted as a first player after a night and that I have done that in Nostalgia mafia. Superb cognitive skills! Should I show you games where I have done that as a town or not done when I was mafia?
III) You almost blindly follow Spiesr, who's most likely the joker.

True, and of those I think we should scratch spiesr. Leaving commander and sheep.

How come we scratch spiesr? Because you two are connected?

Not only has he killed people but he simplifies his role, saying that it's like a JOAT, and claims town. With the number of town deaths I find it unlikely leonard is town. If your like a JOAT then what's the difference, aside from uncontrollable abilities, is there between you and a regular JOAT? The town is trying to eliminate all third party factions. Your vendetta was settled but I doubt your pro-town. You are the second biggest threat to the town and the most stable case. The town is dangerously close to being eliminated.

So we can scratch spiesr because there's a third momento role in this game? I want to hear a claim from spiesr before I will scratch him off. He went for some crazy hurdles to get himself cleared. I could see the joker being immune to investigations. Makes some sense because spiesr was trying to control tails into opening himself up with an investigation. Joker's the only stable, albeit powerful, killing role in the game. Kill him and the rest of the game is pretty much lynches with the possibility of the occasional leonard NK. Spiesr also tried to lynch tails. Given immunity to investigations it's a solid plan to pick off another townie. I also have a feeling that batman has a little bit of role blocker mixed in there hence the no NK.

Putting pressure on spiesr or eliminating the most obvious threat to the town are both good paths town can go down. At any rate I gotta run off to my last two finals of the day. I have no idea when I'll be able to post again because I'm going to be really busy.

[spiesr]

Alright, here is all my info. I am Cobb, from Following, not Inception. My role is Thief, my alignment is town. I have had a chance to watch Following since this game began, and will agree that my character's actions at the end don't seem very pro-town, but that is what my alignment is. I guess pancakemix couldn't make everybody 3rd party.
Night 1 I attempted to go to edocsil, but was stopped by a shadowy figure. This is why I wondered if had been role-blocked that night. Now it seems that that figure was nagerous blocking all actions toward edocsil for some reason.
Last Night, I targeted Streaker and was successful. I broke into his motel room and stole his pictures and his license plate number that he wanted to tattoo himself with, and his shaving cream. From this it was fairly obvious that he was Lenny. Also, I figured out that my role steals info about the character, rather than the powers which I had thought it would.
Also if anyone targets me at night I will be informed. That is why I wanted to have Tailgunner target me last night, I would be able to see if he did so. The first night I simply heard footsteps following me. The pm I got this morning didn't mention anyone targeting me, which doesn't seem to match up with Tailgunner's claim that he protected me. I will ask the mod if he just forgot to put a mention in my pm or something?

Before going into detail about my role, consider me something like a JOAT. Only problem is that I don't get to choose the action

So you are saying that you pick your target and then one of the JOAT actions is performed on him? What are the actions that could happen, the usual set of Investigate, Protect, Block, and Kill? Does your role have a name?

I will give some more information about my role: I had 2 win conditions. My primary consisted of finding, and killing (or being the lead in his lynch) of John G. After he was daykilled Day 1, I got a PM from the mod telling me my mission failed. My main win condition therefore switched to a normal town player.

So, how were you supposed to actually complete your objective? Target the person that you think is Teddy and then hope the your random action comes out as kill? Or is it not as random as it seems and it would automatically be set to kill if you target him? Or something else?

Also, killing Batman was an accident. There is actually a pretty good chance I was helping him

So, did you target nagerous because you thought he was suspicious, or becuase you thought he was town? What do you mean when you say that there was a good chance you were helping him? I can on;y think of one power that could possibly be considered helping, doc protect, seems like the odds of you hurting him would have been greater than those of helping.

The lack of a night kill this night is possibly my doing. I targeted edoc this night, and now NO kill?

So, do you know what action you performed on him last night? I mean do you get some king of feedback telling what you did? Also, while I certianly don't trust edocsil at all, I am not sure that this line of reasoning is the best. I mean, so far over both nights, the only person who killed anyone is you...

[edocsil]

I would like the full disclosure from streaker as well, I trust him and his character not at all her.

[Commander9]

Spiesr's claim looks solid enough. I am assuming we're doing a mass claim now, so you want mine as well?

[Fircoal]

Spiesr's claim looks solid enough. I am assuming we're doing a mass claim now, so you want mine as well?

Yes, I called mass claim a good 12+ hours ago.

[Commander9]

Yes, I called mass claim a good 12+ hours ago.

Coincidentally, I am also Cobb, except I'm the one from Inception.

[edocsil]

Yes, I called mass claim a good 12+ hours ago.

Coincidentally, I am also Cobb, except I'm the one from Inception.

Abilities and win conditions man.

[Commander9]

Abilities and win conditions man.

I can go into someone's dream and direct his abilities towards another person, but I have no idea what I did (unless scene implies that).

Win conditions? So I'd get modkilled? No thanks.

[edocsil]

Ah, bloody hell. I guess it makes sense that PCM would say that... Even with a mass claim here this is going to be a mess. Vio and Fir have stated WC, as have I IIRC, why was there no action? Can it just not be quoted?

[Commander9]

Ah, bloody hell. I guess it makes sense that PCM would say that... Even with a mass claim here this is going to be a mess. Vio and Fir have stated WC, as have I IIRC, why was there no action? Can it just not be quoted?

This was a while ago, but if I'm not mistaken, it says in the rules that you can't name it. Should mod confirm that it's fine to claim the VC, I don't mind disclosing mine.

[spiesr]

Okay, now sheep. Give us your explanation. Role claim. Are you to Joker? If not give us a reason to believe you.

I can go into someone's dream and direct his abilities towards another person, but I have no idea what I did (unless scene implies that).

Does your role have a name? Who did you use your powers on nights 1 and 2? What do you mean that you have no idea what you did? How does your role work? Don't you just name your target and the person you want their action redirected towards?

The pm I got this morning didn't mention anyone targeting me, which doesn't seem to match up with Tailgunner's claim that he protected me. I will ask the mod if he just forgot to put a mention in my pm or something?

Yeah so the mod seems to be telling me that nobody visited me last night...

[pancakemix]

For Clarification

The win condition rule was put in place so that townies could not quote it verbatim in order to prove their alignment. Safari did this (albeit inadvertently) and so he was modkilled. I have received some complaints about this rule already because as it is written, it's pretty strict. Obviously, you can say things like "I'm town" or "I want scum dead", because these are givens. As for Fircoal and Violet's claims, there is no problem with stating non-town win conditions (and certainly not if it isn't as it is written) because it brings with it its own punishments. Go ahead. Claim mafia in any normal game. See what it gets you. As for the town win condition in this game, it's a bit of a moot point because anyone can go find safari's post, take the WC he posted and say "What he said". It proves nothing.

I will amend the rule to be less strict, but verbatim statements will still be disallowed. Apologies for any confusion this may have caused. I really didn't expect something like this to be an issue. If anything else needs cleared up, feel free to ask.

[Commander9]

Does your role have a name? Who did you use your powers on nights 1 and 2? What do you mean that you have no idea what you did? How does your role work? Don't you just name your target and the person you want their action redirected towards?

Yes, yes it does - Pro Town Mind Controller. Night 1 I directed Sheep to Spiesr while Night 2 I directed TG to VioIet (possible reason for no kill as Vio has an extra life?). Yes, pretty much (your last sentence). I just choose a person who I "incept" and whom I use to use his ability on another person, but I don't know the outcome.

[spiesr]

Yes, yes it does - Pro Town Mind Controller. Night 1 I directed Sheep to Spiesr while Night 2 I directed TG to VioIet (possible reason for no kill as Vio has an extra life?). Yes, pretty much (your last sentence). I just choose a person who I "incept" and whom I use to use his ability on another person, but I don't know the outcome.

Okay, that explains why my message said nobody targeted me while Tailgunner claimed to have used his Batman power on me. So I pretty much believe your claim at this point. Therefor Vote Sheep unless he can convince me that he is not the Joker...

[sheepofdumb]

I'm Hap Eckhart from Insomnia. I'm a non-town roleblocker.

I have a vendetta against Will Dormer for shooting me. Seeing as he's dead now all I have to do is survive until some other faction wins (ironic huh?). First night I blocked Violet but Commander seems to have directed me to Spiesr. Last night I blocked edoc to make sure there was no funny business from him.

I find the number of pro-town to be a little weird. So far we've only seen two non-town factions Joker and Teddy. With three townies dead and everyone and their mother claiming pro-town someone is bound to be lying about their faction. So far we have Violet, Spiesr, Edoc (IIRC), Commander, Streaker, and maybe fir.

Then we have three dead townies. So the only non-town is shield and I?

So out of 11 players there's 9 pro-town claims and two non-town claims.
I think Streaker is lying about his secondary wc. He fails killing John G and now he's town?
I also think Spiesr is lying about being Cobb. First off he claims town. Specifically saying

My role is Thief, my alignment is town. I have had a chance to watch Following since this game began, and will agree that my character's actions at the end don't seem very pro-town, but that is what my alignment is. I guess pancakemix couldn't make everybody 3rd party.

So he wants us to believe that there is a (at the time of claiming) an 8 person town versus Joker and Leonard (who if he is to be believed is town). If almost everyone is to be believed it's 8(+2) vs 1 with 2 on the side. Not only that but there are 2 and 1/2 investigation roles to find this one person.

Spiesrs only "proof" to his role claim is that he knows when people visits him. Let's assume for a minute that it really is an 8 v 1. With traditional play it would take scum 4 days to kill off that entire town. Joker seems to be quite the powerhouse and fairly alone. Leonard is too sporadic to be any real help to Joker with his random JOAT powers. Given some of the evidence I suggest that Joker can kill once every phase. That is to say he can kill day and night. That takes a 4 day game down to 3. Throw in 1 and 1/2 BP townies, super docs, and roleblocker and now the tables are quite a bit more even.

So how does this apply to Spiesr being Joker? Well if he can choose to kill day and night then he gets away with it on Shield. Then Commander makes me role block Spiesr night 1. Leonard kills Nag. Spiesr skips a day kill (?) and gets blocked night 2 by TG. Day 3 he kills off TG.

Vote Spiesr. FOS Town for lying about faction.

On a side note FoS Violet and Fircoal. Violet is apparently a town double voter that hasn't used her double vote IIRC. She also gives up on her main(?) WC to join town and covers for Fir as well. Even if there is some proof to her claim in the majority there is something super fishy going on with those two. Given the apparent lack of anti-town roles it's likely that they are the other threat. They are probably waiting for joker and leonard to whittle down the town so they can jump in at endgame and lynch off the rest of the town.

[spiesr]

I find the number of pro-town to be a little weird. So far we've only seen two non-town factions Joker and Teddy. With three townies dead and everyone and their mother claiming pro-town someone is bound to be lying about their faction. So far we have Violet, Spiesr, Edoc (IIRC), Commander, Streaker, and maybe fir.

I think that Violet and Fircoal are both non-town. They seem to being diametrically opposed lynchers. But, as they appear to be only doubles voters and going after each other, then they are the lowest priority threat right now in my eyes.

I also think Spiesr is lying about being Cobb. First off he claims town. Specifically saying

My role is Thief, my alignment is town. I have had a chance to watch Following since this game began, and will agree that my character's actions at the end don't seem very pro-town, but that is what my alignment is. I guess pancakemix couldn't make everybody 3rd party.

So he wants us to believe that there is a (at the time of claiming) an 8 person town versus Joker and Leonard (who if he is to be believed is town). If almost everyone is to be believed it's 8(+2) vs 1 with 2 on the side. Not only that but there are 2 and 1/2 investigation roles to find this one person.

Not quite, I am of the opinion that Violet and Fircoal are not town. I also don't believe that edocsil is town. I think that he is an actual threat to the town, but my desire to lynch him has been spurned by the other players. So I decided to concentrate on the known threat of the Joker, since edocsil hasn't killed anybody yet, we can look at him after we get the Joker. So that today would have been like 3 town, two lynchers, the Jokers, and whatever edocsil is. Not exactly the 8 vs 1 you portray it to be.

Spiesrs only "proof" to his role claim is that he knows when people visits him.

Doesn't the fact that I knew Streaker was Leonard count for something? Or are you saying that we are scumbuddies and that I knew his role that way?

[VioIet]

I think I should state this- as this is pretty important and may dispel a few of the "claims" out there.

Nobody has tried to kill me yet. If somebody did, the mod would let me know, and I would lose my double vote. That hasn't happened yet.

If so,

So for those of you saying that you directed a Night Action towards me on Night X:

1. It plain didn't happen and you are lying.
2. Or you did attempt it- but it got blocked or redirected somehow.

[sheepofdumb]

I find the number of pro-town to be a little weird. So far we've only seen two non-town factions Joker and Teddy. With three townies dead and everyone and their mother claiming pro-town someone is bound to be lying about their faction. So far we have Violet, Spiesr, Edoc (IIRC), Commander, Streaker, and maybe fir.

I think that Violet and Fircoal are both non-town. They seem to being diametrically opposed lynchers. But, as they appear to be only doubles voters and going after each other, then they are the lowest priority threat right now in my eyes.

I also think Spiesr is lying about being Cobb. First off he claims town. Specifically saying

My role is Thief, my alignment is town. I have had a chance to watch Following since this game began, and will agree that my character's actions at the end don't seem very pro-town, but that is what my alignment is. I guess pancakemix couldn't make everybody 3rd party.

So he wants us to believe that there is a (at the time of claiming) an 8 person town versus Joker and Leonard (who if he is to be believed is town). If almost everyone is to be believed it's 8(+2) vs 1 with 2 on the side. Not only that but there are 2 and 1/2 investigation roles to find this one person.

Not quite, I am of the opinion that Violet and Fircoal are not town. I also don't believe that edocsil is town. I think that he is an actual threat to the town, but my desire to lynch him has been spurned by the other players. So I decided to concentrate on the known threat of the Joker, since edocsil hasn't killed anybody yet, we can look at him after we get the Joker. So that today would have been like 3 town, two lynchers, the Jokers, and whatever edocsil is. Not exactly the 8 vs 1 you portray it to be.

I was being very hasty with that FOS on vio and fir. I was looking at and claims and less on roles. With the role claims it's 8 v 1 (again if everyone is to be believed). Then my logic dove off that point to FoS Vio and Fir. Let's look at the more probable setup.

I'm making one assumption, Edoc is town like he claims. Then there are 5 town, 4 non-town, and 2 anti-town. That actually looks fairly balanced especially if you consider some of the role flavors. Town has mind control, BP, and doc, post mortem joat, and 1 shot gov with a third party cop for investigations and a third party role blocker as a wild card. Then you have the two double voting lynchers. Finally you have a powerful killer in Joker and a completely random killer in leonard.

Today there are 2 anti town 3 non town 2 town. At the very least one of the town is lying.

Spiesrs only "proof" to his role claim is that he knows when people visits him.

Doesn't the fact that I knew Streaker was Leonard count for something? Or are you saying that we are scumbuddies and that I knew his role that way?

Two anti-town with no communication between each other? If you had stable killing roles maybe. Leonard had(s) the potential to whiff on all his actions. Selling leonard out right now and claiming an town role seems pretty likely. The town is so against Joker that they won't even settle for the other major threat to the town.

[Commander9]

A quick note from me: "It's that time of year again - my finals. I'll try to post, but don't be shocked if that doesn't happen during this week. Furthermore, I am also sick rather badly, so I'm going to try to stay away from the computer as much as I can." If mods feel that they want to replace me, I will fully understand it and I will not budge. Thank you for understanding.