POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

[Commander9]

Sorry, I really hate to undermine an argument about a guy who I agree is suspicious but I've been mafia (or at least started the game as such) 4+ times now. In each game the mod himself never told me the role of my fellow scum buddies, I knew their alignment but they could have been a usurper, a mafia cop, goon, etc., and I have been mafia in a safariguy hosted game before. So unless someone is able to disprove that as not being the case in other safari games that part of the argument appears inaccurate.

Both Sax's and Illy's mafia had full role names and character names. I've never played Safari's game before (at least I don't think so), so I can't say about Safari's games,but in general, I think, most of the games give out that information.

[edocsil]

Sorry, I really hate to undermine an argument about a guy who I agree is suspicious but I've been mafia (or at least started the game as such) 4+ times now. In each game the mod himself never told me the role of my fellow scum buddies, I knew their alignment but they could have been a usurper, a mafia cop, goon, etc., and I have been mafia in a safariguy hosted game before. So unless someone is able to disprove that as not being the case in other safari games that part of the argument appears inaccurate.

Both Sax's and Illy's mafia had full role names and character names. I've never played Safari's game before (at least I don't think so), so I can't say about Safari's games,but in general, I think, most of the games give out that information.

Never been scum in one of Saf's games. I always tell the scum all the roles. Some people don't though.

[strike wolf]

Role names yes when there are names. I'm referring to role abilities. Did you know the role abilities from the start or did you find them out from your other mafia members? Either way what applies in Sax's game and what applies here isn't the same. It's bad meta-gaming to say that because one mod does it than this mod does it the same way. Of course it's also bad to play the mod but i've played as mafia in a Safari game before and I did not receive the role of my scum buddy until he told me it himself.

[Commander9]

Role names yes when there are names. I'm referring to role abilities. Did you know the role abilities from the start or did you find them out from your other mafia members? Either way what applies in Sax's game and what applies here isn't the same. It's bad meta-gaming to say that because one mod does it than this mod does it the same way. Of course it's also bad to play the mod but i've played as mafia in a Safari game before and I did not receive the role of my scum buddy until he told me it himself.

Hmm, the reason I've said that because I think I've got full roles every time I played - I thought this is what usually happens. While I've not always get full explanations on their actions, their role names usually give it away (Mafia watcher is pretty self explanatory). I would agree with you that this alone would not be noteworthy, but coupled with every thing he has done and how he stretched the importance of watcher and how he said he was out there, this just seems a bit too convenient.

[strike wolf]

Aggh, I must be getting senile. I didn't mean role name as in "watcher" or "cop" I meant like the character name like "Admiral Norrington" yeah if he knew that Squirrel was called a "mafia Watcher" it would have been pretty obvious.

[karelpietertje]

LOL!
I completely missed this mafia... I was so looking forward to Pirates of the Caribbean mafia but POTC just isn't a clear thread title

[safariguy5]

Role names yes when there are names. I'm referring to role abilities. Did you know the role abilities from the start or did you find them out from your other mafia members? Either way what applies in Sax's game and what applies here isn't the same. It's bad meta-gaming to say that because one mod does it than this mod does it the same way. Of course it's also bad to play the mod but i've played as mafia in a Safari game before and I did not receive the role of my scum buddy until he told me it himself.

To be clear, I realized after modding a few games that by not telling the mafia each other's roles, I was probably delaying a N1 NK and they would tell each other anyways, just in a less efficient pm way. So yes, I did tell mafia each other's roles in the pm and I will be operating my games this way from now on because it's more efficient.

Also, I won't set a deadline now, but if day begins to drag I will.

[safariguy5]

LOL!
I completely missed this mafia... I was so looking forward to Pirates of the Caribbean mafia but POTC just isn't a clear thread title

Sorry man, couldn't fit the whole thing in there without running into the character limit at some point so I shortened it like LOTR.

[strike wolf]

Role names yes when there are names. I'm referring to role abilities. Did you know the role abilities from the start or did you find them out from your other mafia members? Either way what applies in Sax's game and what applies here isn't the same. It's bad meta-gaming to say that because one mod does it than this mod does it the same way. Of course it's also bad to play the mod but i've played as mafia in a Safari game before and I did not receive the role of my scum buddy until he told me it himself.

To be clear, I realized after modding a few games that by not telling the mafia each other's roles, I was probably delaying a N1 NK and they would tell each other anyways, just in a less efficient pm way. So yes, I did tell mafia each other's roles in the pm and I will be operating my games this way from now on because it's more efficient.

Also, I won't set a deadline now, but if day begins to drag I will.

In that case I'll withdraw all complaints regarding the whole watcher complaint.

[strike wolf]

With that information rejecting my previous hypothesis about mafia and their roles and a quick review of some of mandy's posts, he did seem fairly confident there was a watcher.

[freezie]

With that information rejecting my previous hypothesis about mafia and their roles and a quick review of some of mandy's posts, he did seem fairly confident there was a watcher.

But with this number of players, it isn't a huge risk to beleive there is a watcher..Even a mafia one. But anyway.

We have on one side Edoc who claimed outright that he isn't town..So for now I am not going to try to hung him..You don't go around saying you're not town if you're not sure of what you're doing.

On the Davey Jones subject...Why do you guys even try to figure out a ROLE NAME'S faction. It's not like anybody claimed to be jones, it could be anyone and if you ask me, is better dead than alive to us. Although it COULD change Turner's role if we kill Jones. However, we'll still have to guess who is for and against town..so the discussion is moot. ( I am still going to throw my oppinion that I beleive him to be a recruiter more than a SK )

The only ''SK'' I could think off would be Jack Sparrow...the kind to work alone and not bother about anyone else for his own benefit fits the SK scheme.

Anyway.

Vote: Commander

For his..Strange..Behaviour against mandy. The fact commander is dead on saying Mandy refered to a mafia watcher outfront is simply pushing too far.

[Commander9]

Aggh, I must be getting senile. I didn't mean role name as in "watcher" or "cop" I meant like the character name like "Admiral Norrington" yeah if he knew that Squirrel was called a "mafia Watcher" it would have been pretty obvious.

Well, to be fair, even with the names, they usually had a role attached to it - "mafia grandfather" , "Mafia goon" , "mafia roleblocker", etc. Well, actually saf just cleared it up with:

To be clear, I realized after modding a few games that by not telling the mafia each other's roles, I was probably delaying a N1 NK and they would tell each other anyways, just in a less efficient pm way. So yes, I did tell mafia each other's roles in the pm and I will be operating my games this way from now on because it's more efficient.

Also, I won't set a deadline now, but if day begins to drag I will.

Vote: Commander

For his..Strange..Behaviour against mandy. The fact commander is dead on saying Mandy refered to a mafia watcher outfront is simply pushing too far.

Let me guess - you have not read a single post that I've posted?.. If you'd actually read ( ) you would have seen that I said that the fact that there was a mafia watcher with Mandy claiming there was a watcher wouldn't have been scummy on it's OWN (there, even you shouldn't miss this), but coupled with his behaviour and posts before hand, it is extremely scummy.

Very nice case based on skimming and incorrect facts (The fact that I go aggressively after a person that I consider to be scum (Reference to Edoc in Matrix, Haggis in Briarsburg, Sax on Princess Bride, etc.) is something that I do really often, so it's not really strange)

[Anarkistsdream]

I like how you get irritated Commander...

Now, Boooooooooooooooooh, I'm a ghost

[mandalorian2298]

If I understand this correctly, you two are accusing me of...jinxing Squirrel with all my talking about a Watcher? And you think that, putting aside for the moment the whole "the is no such thing as a jinx" issue, jinxing a member of the mafia would be a bad thing?

Speaking of Watcher, keep on your good work Watcher, as long as you are out there the Lovers are safe ).

Speaking of lovers, Nag, Commander, I think that your braincells would make a lovely couple.

How's that jinxing? No, you had a mafia watcher at your disposable and you were ready to use it... but it backfired.

Ah, since you can't answer anything of what happened before or this, you decide to try to insult our intelligence. Really nice - you Sir are truly a great player When was the last time you've looked in the mirror?

I may never look myself in the mirror again as I have been blinded by your logic.

Look man, as I said before, what goes on in the game stays in the game. When someone posts such ridiculous accusation as this whole Watcher Conspiracy, I can either get upset to the point of developing an ulcer or I make fun of you. Thus, I make fun of you, for medical reasons.

In fact, while I would expect Commander to say something like that, Nag's FOS on me really falls into "throw it against the wall and see if it sticks" class of moves.


Vote Nagerus until he gives a credible explanation of his FOS against me.

Ah, afraid that more people are on to you?

Throughout this game I have been suspicious for some reason. However, ever since you and Nag tried to hang a dead scummy squirrel on me, people are becoming less accusatory towards me and more towards you. So, if one of you guys is scum, and I believe that to be the case, all I ask is for you guys to stay on me as long as it takes the town to lynch you. In fact, if some of your scum buddies want to join the bandwagon, then be my guest, the more the merrier.

First of all, that's a big conjecture to make about mandy with the whole mentioning a watcher meaning he knew there was a mafia watcher. First of all assuming mandy's scum (which I believe there is a good chance of) would he even know his scummates' roles? My general experience as mafia has been that the mod doesn't tell you anything about your fellow scumbuddies beyond their identities. So unless mandy was able to communicate during the day with his scumbuddies or safari has switched up how he runs the mafia in his games, then nag's assessment doesn't really hold much weight.

Yes. The game that I've modded, mafia knew each other and their roles. From all of the games I've played, almost all of them had the scumbuddies and their exact roles.

Seriously, putting aside the whole issue of whether or not I'm scum, are you guys really saying that, if I were in Mafia, I would be more likely to suggest the Doc-Watcher Lover-saving scenario if I had a Watcher with me in Mafia? I don't see what one has to do with the other.

This scenario would only make sense if I was green as grass and have never heard of Watcher until I had one in Mafia with me.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Haha Commie's vote on Mandy is creepy. Gotta love ol' Barry.

Can someone tell me what edoc meant by EITC? I've only seen the first Pirates and I refuse to watch any others. I googled it but nothing came up.

Serious face on:

The accusation that Mandy knew beforehand that his alleged scum mate would be a watcher and therefore used this seems wildly far-fetched to me (In all of my games as mafia I've been told who they are, but never the role with the exception of Victor's 1st NV and who the GF was in /'s Restaurant). First, maybe this is WIFOM, but who would admit that?...Second, imo he was playing the numbers. In a game of 21 players it seems likely that a watcher would be included in the roster. It's an easy addition, isn't really all that great unless someone knows what they're doing. Third, as far as it being a scum watcher and he was guiding his buddy to target a role...debatable. Someone said that perhaps this is an indication that there is another faction out there, and given that the mafia had a watcher, I find this likely.

I think Squirrel's death can be chalked up to a blind shot in the dark.

Third I have a high distrust of mandy, it seemed to me he was trying to play the infallible townie card yesterday challenging lynches of people not associated with him that he knew would probably turn town. He was against the falko lynch but made no real effort to stop it and he initially showed scorn for the fircoal lynch but again made no real effort to stop it instead stating he would "wash his hands" of day 1. I also had my suspicions of streaker in relation to how yesterday ended but I would need to go back over his posts again before I could currently state anything solid.

I find it odd that as soon as you accumulate like 2 votes you immediately throw suspicion to the next town favorite. FOS.

It's a big game, and with a lynch at 11 there's nothing wrong with a wagon. Victor isn't active, and it's obvious he is ignoring this game.
At the very least we can draw his attention to the game, and if he doesn't show up or get replaced we can hang him. If he does show up the wagon moves...

I know i'm repetitive of above posts, but it's how I feel.

Unvote, vote Victor

Join a BW. Cool.

Unvote victor

Glad you decided to come out and play

You then unvote when Vic show's up, like you said you would. Very interesting. A feint? A ploy? Which is interesting when you were called out on it by Strike, and you reply:

Here is where I back my vote up, and where I state to unvote once Victor starts posting.
Victor came in, I unvoted. Just like wolf did. Yes, my vote was a little more serious then wolf's vote, but still.
I smell a double standard...

...and you use this to justify your vote and you actions. Harmless or pretty clever.

I don't see how jumping votes from inactive to inactive is helping town right now. It might work when there isn't a deadline, but with a few days left it will do more harm then good.

I get a feeling you arent really interested in a lynch, as you say you only vote the inactives to get them to posting. With that logic, we will end up with a no-lynch Day 1, and that is higly suspicious.

That's the best I see up until here, so i'll

Vote falko

You then vote falko (the 2nd vote for him at that point after Anark), but he was already appearing to be the next favorite. Getting ready early this time...

Also, Fircoal comes up with this less then a single day from deadline. There is no time to find another lynch, so he basicly screwed us. Either we hang him, and find out if he's telling the truth or not, or we get stuck with a No-Lynch. It's not very pro-town coming up with that information right before deadline, as I'm sure Fircoal knows we won't find another lynch on time. In fact, this might be the best scumtell in the whole story.

I believe most information would come from his lynch, then. There just isn't any more time.

Unvote, Vote Fircoal

Here's what really caught my attention yesterday. After voting falko you disappear for 9 pages and then lo and behold you return and hammer chu, with the usual justifications "he's getting desperate," "it's approaching deadline," etc. etc.

So here we have edoc telling us that Jones is exclicitly anti town for killing a mafia watcher, having a kill, and flavor. Really, flavor is the only legit reason for painting him anti-town. I don't see killing mafia is that anti-town...
Then you say Jones is the main bad guy. Why not think Becket is the main bad guy? That kind of information would only be available if you know Becket isn't in the game.
Going on explaining how a mafia watcher isn't a big deal, seemingly not worried about that role discovering town power roles. Hey, mafia has to kill everyone anyway...

If you add to that his confession of NOT being town, and his reluctance of explaining this, it's easy for me to Vote edocsil

And your first post of D2 is devoted to voting the claimed non-townie, which isn't so bad I guess, but with all the other stuff...

In conclusion: Vote Streaker

-Tails

[Streaker]

Haha Commie's vote on Mandy is creepy. Gotta love ol' Barry.

Can someone tell me what edoc meant by EITC? I've only seen the first Pirates and I refuse to watch any others. I googled it but nothing came up.

Serious face on:

The accusation that Mandy knew beforehand that his alleged scum mate would be a watcher and therefore used this seems wildly far-fetched to me (In all of my games as mafia I've been told who they are, but never the role with the exception of Victor's 1st NV and who the GF was in /'s Restaurant). First, maybe this is WIFOM, but who would admit that?...Second, imo he was playing the numbers. In a game of 21 players it seems likely that a watcher would be included in the roster. It's an easy addition, isn't really all that great unless someone knows what they're doing. Third, as far as it being a scum watcher and he was guiding his buddy to target a role...debatable. Someone said that perhaps this is an indication that there is another faction out there, and given that the mafia had a watcher, I find this likely.

I think Squirrel's death can be chalked up to a blind shot in the dark.

Third I have a high distrust of mandy, it seemed to me he was trying to play the infallible townie card yesterday challenging lynches of people not associated with him that he knew would probably turn town. He was against the falko lynch but made no real effort to stop it and he initially showed scorn for the fircoal lynch but again made no real effort to stop it instead stating he would "wash his hands" of day 1. I also had my suspicions of streaker in relation to how yesterday ended but I would need to go back over his posts again before I could currently state anything solid.

I find it odd that as soon as you accumulate like 2 votes you immediately throw suspicion to the next town favorite. FOS.

It's a big game, and with a lynch at 11 there's nothing wrong with a wagon. Victor isn't active, and it's obvious he is ignoring this game.
At the very least we can draw his attention to the game, and if he doesn't show up or get replaced we can hang him. If he does show up the wagon moves...

I know i'm repetitive of above posts, but it's how I feel.

Unvote, vote Victor

Join a BW. Cool.

Unvote victor

Glad you decided to come out and play

You then unvote when Vic show's up, like you said you would. Very interesting. A feint? A ploy? Which is interesting when you were called out on it by Strike, and you reply:

Here is where I back my vote up, and where I state to unvote once Victor starts posting.
Victor came in, I unvoted. Just like wolf did. Yes, my vote was a little more serious then wolf's vote, but still.
I smell a double standard...

...and you use this to justify your vote and you actions. Harmless or pretty clever.

I don't see how jumping votes from inactive to inactive is helping town right now. It might work when there isn't a deadline, but with a few days left it will do more harm then good.

I get a feeling you arent really interested in a lynch, as you say you only vote the inactives to get them to posting. With that logic, we will end up with a no-lynch Day 1, and that is higly suspicious.

That's the best I see up until here, so i'll

Vote falko

You then vote falko (the 2nd vote for him at that point after Anark), but he was already appearing to be the next favorite. Getting ready early this time...

Also, Fircoal comes up with this less then a single day from deadline. There is no time to find another lynch, so he basicly screwed us. Either we hang him, and find out if he's telling the truth or not, or we get stuck with a No-Lynch. It's not very pro-town coming up with that information right before deadline, as I'm sure Fircoal knows we won't find another lynch on time. In fact, this might be the best scumtell in the whole story.

I believe most information would come from his lynch, then. There just isn't any more time.

Unvote, Vote Fircoal

Here's what really caught my attention yesterday. After voting falko you disappear for 9 pages and then lo and behold you return and hammer chu, with the usual justifications "he's getting desperate," "it's approaching deadline," etc. etc.

So here we have edoc telling us that Jones is exclicitly anti town for killing a mafia watcher, having a kill, and flavor. Really, flavor is the only legit reason for painting him anti-town. I don't see killing mafia is that anti-town...
Then you say Jones is the main bad guy. Why not think Becket is the main bad guy? That kind of information would only be available if you know Becket isn't in the game.
Going on explaining how a mafia watcher isn't a big deal, seemingly not worried about that role discovering town power roles. Hey, mafia has to kill everyone anyway...

If you add to that his confession of NOT being town, and his reluctance of explaining this, it's easy for me to Vote edocsil

And your first post of D2 is devoted to voting the claimed non-townie, which isn't so bad I guess, but with all the other stuff...

In conclusion: Vote Streaker

-Tails

Nice try. Let me point out the mistakes.

-I join a bw on Day 1. Who didn't?

-I unvote on the bw, for reasons I stated when I voted him. If I didn't do what I said, now that would be scummy. How is it bad to unvote when you said you'd do just that?

-After my unvote, and with a deadline, there has to be some action. Falko was the best lead, and I provided a good reason to vote him. Again, it's the best you get on a Day 1.

-'Disappearing' for 9 pages really can't be justified. You got me there.
-Yes, I hammered chu. Someone had to. Deadline Would you have rather gone to night without a lynch, then? Did you find his book of explanations (where he accussed friggin 10 people of being scum) that good? Well I didn't. I choose for what I believed was right, and I stand by it.
If you put it like that, there's nothing I can do that won't be scummy. No vote is scummy. Making the second vote on someone is scummy. Hammering is scummy.

-I don't understand how you can ever bring out my vote on a CLAIMED NON-TOWN as scumtell. We have to start the new day somewhere...

I will stand by the case against edoc, and would love him to explain his 'non townness'.

[Streaker]

Little addition:

EITC will probably mean East Indy Trade Corporation.

[mandalorian2298]

Little addition:

EITC will probably mean East Indy Trade Corporation.

I think it's just Company. Those were simpler times.

[Streaker]

heh, nice catch. Yes, company. I'm too modern

[Commander9]

Okay, from now on, I'll redden the important parts with hopes that someone would read those.

I may never look myself in the mirror again as I have been blinded by your logic.

Look man, as I said before, what goes on in the game stays in the game. When someone posts such ridiculous accusation as this whole Watcher Conspiracy, I can either get upset to the point of developing an ulcer or I make fun of you. Thus, I make fun of you, for medical reasons.

Just following your lead I tend to respond rather strongly if someone insults me or makes a reference I do not like. And now yet again, you skip the most important part and use red herring and straw man falacies to help your case - gotta love how you ignore everything else and both you and some others just focus on the watcher part.

Throughout this game I have been suspicious for some reason. However, ever since you and Nag tried to hang a dead scummy squirrel on me, people are becoming less accusatory towards me and more towards you. So, if one of you guys is scum, and I believe that to be the case, all I ask is for you guys to stay on me as long as it takes the town to lynch you. In fact, if some of your scum buddies want to join the bandwagon, then be my guest, the more the merrier.

We both know that this is not the case - there was never a big BW on you in the 1st place. Also, I absolutely love how you make it look like I'm making weak arguments, while you just switch my argument with a weaker one.

Seriously, putting aside the whole issue of whether or not I'm scum, are you guys really saying that, if I were in Mafia, I would be more likely to suggest the Doc-Watcher Lover-saving scenario if I had a Watcher with me in Mafia? I don't see what one has to do with the other.

This scenario would only make sense if I was green as grass and have never heard of Watcher until I had one in Mafia with me.

Not sure whether you've done this intentionally (I'm pretty sure it was, but lets put this as a hypothesis for argument's sake), but it would have been completely different. A mafia watcher would have been a role that could have easily gained town's trust, direct the cases and manipulate town. Lets just say that you could have been trying to make us get used to that idea and also hinting at your townyness at the same time.

[Commander9]

Nice try. Let me point out the mistakes.

-I join a bw on Day 1. Who didn't?

-I unvote on the bw, for reasons I stated when I voted him. If I didn't do what I said, now that would be scummy. How is it bad to unvote when you said you'd do just that?

-After my unvote, and with a deadline, there has to be some action. Falko was the best lead, and I provided a good reason to vote him. Again, it's the best you get on a Day 1.

-'Disappearing' for 9 pages really can't be justified. You got me there.
-Yes, I hammered chu. Someone had to. Deadline Would you have rather gone to night without a lynch, then? Did you find his book of explanations (where he accussed friggin 10 people of being scum) that good? Well I didn't. I choose for what I believed was right, and I stand by it.
If you put it like that, there's nothing I can do that won't be scummy. No vote is scummy. Making the second vote on someone is scummy. Hammering is scummy.

-I don't understand how you can ever bring out my vote on a CLAIMED NON-TOWN as scumtell. We have to start the new day somewhere...

I will stand by the case against edoc, and would love him to explain his 'non townness'.

To be fair, you have been sending me a lot of bad vibes, but I don't have anything concrete and there are more important matters, so I left you alone, but do let me answer some of those:

1. Actually quite a few people didn't join it. Just because other people BW on a case, that doesn't mean that they're right.
2. Falko wasn't the best lead, but it was a fair try, so I won't condemn you here.
3. Hammering Chu is the scummiest thing you did - he made a very good post where he answered pretty much everything and pointed out how some certain people have mis acted, yet you chose to hammer him. Really, really scummy.
4. I do agree with you about non-townie vote, however - just because someone claims a 3rd party, doesn't mean he's harmless for town. I agree somewhat with you that Edoc should explain himself.

[strike wolf]

Other than skimming over where Safari specifically said that the mafia would know each other's roles, a decent post from tails. I don't have much time right now so I'll try to make this brief:

-Tails I've been on mandy's back for a while now continuing from day 1. Stemming from minor uncertainties to a growing suspicion of how he's been playing this game. You simplified this issue when by saying that I put attention on him when I had a couple of votes my way. I had brought attention to him more than once before then.

-the case on streaker seems decent...not much to be drawn from him voting edoc for being admittedly non-town but the bandwagoning is there and I feel he and Mandy simplified fircoal's argument and quick lynched him.

-I'll agree that nag and Commie's debate over mandy and the Mafia Watcher is far fetched. While I can kind of understand it from commander's point of view I don't think I can justify it and the way nag mentioned looked like grasping at straws. I wouldn't be surprised if nag as scum did that as it would be an easy way to get on the side of what looked like from yesterday as the upcoming wagon before it developed.

[nagerous]

Today and yesterday have been particularly busy days for me so I haven't had a lot of time to read properly, I'll catch up fully tomorrow. However, I would like to note that my post was just an initial short thought - mandy has reacted particularly badly to it so I think it is a very justified FOS, he was making regular references to the watcher - encouraging it seems to Mr.Squirrel giving him opportunity to manipulate the town through his role. His vote on me was particularly OMGUS and I also didn't like the way he voted fircoal but then tried to wash his hands of the lynch. The way he played day 1 was just a one track attack on commander whilst simultaneously laying low but not too low, he is less erratic than normal, none of this if I'm wrong lynch me stunt he usually likes to pull, but no doubt he will continue to manipulate the town and you guys will let him.

I'll read up on the rest of the game tomorrow.

[edocsil]

Today and yesterday have been particularly busy days for me so I haven't had a lot of time to read properly, I'll catch up fully tomorrow. However, I would like to note that my post was just an initial short thought - mandy has reacted particularly badly to it so I think it is a very justified FOS, he was making regular references to the watcher - encouraging it seems to Mr.Squirrel giving him opportunity to manipulate the town through his role. His vote on me was particularly OMGUS and I also didn't like the way he voted fircoal but then tried to wash his hands of the lynch. The way he played day 1 was just a one track attack on commander whilst simultaneously laying low but not too low, he is less erratic than normal, none of this if I'm wrong lynch me stunt he usually likes to pull, but no doubt he will continue to manipulate the town and you guys will let him.

I'll read up on the rest of the game tomorrow.

So get out there and vote for him, I think his actions ave been far to conservative when compared to his usual play. Vote Mandy

[mandalorian2298]

Today and yesterday have been particularly busy days for me so I haven't had a lot of time to read properly, I'll catch up fully tomorrow. However, I would like to note that my post was just an initial short thought - mandy has reacted particularly badly to it so I think it is a very justified FOS, he was making regular references to the watcher - encouraging it seems to Mr.Squirrel giving him opportunity to manipulate the town through his role. His vote on me was particularly OMGUS and I also didn't like the way he voted fircoal but then tried to wash his hands of the lynch. The way he played day 1 was just a one track attack on commander whilst simultaneously laying low but not too low, he is less erratic than normal, none of this if I'm wrong lynch me stunt he usually likes to pull, but no doubt he will continue to manipulate the town and you guys will let him.

I'll read up on the rest of the game tomorrow.

So get out there and vote for him, I think his actions ave been far to conservative when compared to his usual play. Vote Mandy

And yet, in the end of Day 1, you have proclaimed that you will follow my lead. I must have been really conservative during the night and the start of Day 2 for you to make this 180 turn, Calypso.