CYOC #5 [5/16] ENDGAME [DINO DOWN]

[kwanton]

So spirit-wise we got one claiming skoffin is investigative role, one saying pika is hostile, and one claiming mandy is town. One true, one lie, and one nonsensical. Is it worth asking skoffin to deny/confirm if their role is investigative, cause if it's true then either pika is friendly or mandy is scum and if it's false then pika is hostile or mandy is town. We really can't say much about dakky's lynch and given the circumstances our current best option is to follow the spirits or let someone with important information claim(bad idea considering how early it is unless guaranteed scum catch) can narrow today's lynch to a 50/50 chance to hit scum and/or get a confirmed townie. Then again, skoffin confirming/denying that could be information we don't want scum to have right now, especially if skoffin confirms.

No, not worth asking. The nonsense spirit throws a wrench in this plan. Skoffin should neither confirm nor deny this info.

[strike wolf]

Skoffin already denied the information. Here's a thought for the Oracle
If the spirits are consistent and you just dont know which lie but you c ann direct them on who to ask, ask one to tell you about yourself. If the spirit comes back with a lie than at least you know not to trust that one.

[kwanton]

What happend to me is that I have recieved a message detailing how I had a nice diner with a Crier. It all sounded very sensual, so I'm betting that the Crier is someone who is into goatees and bondage.

I'd like to hear more about this sensual dinner. Was it romantic?
Candle-lit? By the beach? Tweet the deets.

[TheForgivenOne]

An anonymous message was heard throughout the town:

*RINGING BELL* HEAR YE HEAR YE!

I AM THE TOWN CRIER, I HAVEN'T BEEN USING MY ABILITY BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS DUMB. CAN CONFIRM I HAD DINNER WITH MANDY AND I KNOW WHAT HIS ROLE IS - I AM 100% CONVINCED HE IS TOWN BASED ON WHAT I WAS TOLD.

[strike wolf]

Skoffin already denied the information. Here's a thought for the Oracle
If the spirits are consistent and you just dont know which lie but you c ann direct them on who to ask, ask one to tell you about yourself. If the spirit comes back with a lie than at least you know not to trust that one.

down side I didn't think about. Assuming you are town, this would give mafia a 1 in 3 chance to know who you are. Better chance if one or more of your other picks is also mafia.

[DirtyDishSoap]

An anonymous message was heard throughout the town:

*RINGING BELL* HEAR YE HEAR YE!

I AM THE TOWN CRIER, I HAVEN'T BEEN USING MY ABILITY BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS DUMB. CAN CONFIRM I HAD DINNER WITH MANDY AND I KNOW WHAT HIS ROLE IS - I AM 100% CONVINCED HE IS TOWN BASED ON WHAT I WAS TOLD.

I'm confused, is this the same as the oracle, or is this separate from the oracle? If they're the same, then why out Skoffin as an investigative role? If it's not the same, then...Oh hell, idk, I'm pulling straws at the moment.

[DirtyDishSoap]

EBWOP And even then, is the town crier also an investigative role? Do they talk with other players at night in this mode? The crier role seems suspicious to me altogether.

[madmitch]

JUST because he says he is town crier doesn't make it true , Mandy and hjm could be scum buddies together, we need to be cautious

[BuJaber]

But scum crier would be really unfair. You're trying to make people into targets and everyone should join me and vote mitch.

[Samlen]

From my experience, criers tend to be basically a town person that can talk to us anonymously. This has the benefit of hearing a basically confirmed townie's thoughts and they can confirm themselves at any point. This is also supposed to be a crazy game, so it could be the same person as the oracle trying to sow confusion, but I'm willing to bet that they are two different people.

So spirit-wise we got one claiming skoffin is investigative role, one saying pika is hostile, and one claiming mandy is town. One true, one lie, and one nonsensical. Is it worth asking skoffin to deny/confirm if their role is investigative, cause if it's true then either pika is friendly or mandy is scum and if it's false then pika is hostile or mandy is town. We really can't say much about dakky's lynch and given the circumstances our current best option is to follow the spirits or let someone with important information claim(bad idea considering how early it is unless guaranteed scum catch) can narrow today's lynch to a 50/50 chance to hit scum and/or get a confirmed townie. Then again, skoffin confirming/denying that could be information we don't want scum to have right now, especially if skoffin confirms.

No, not worth asking. The nonsense spirit throws a wrench in this plan. Skoffin should neither confirm nor deny this info.

I already took into account the nonsense spirit. If the crier had dinner with mandy like so and we trust the crier, then that means that the spirit claiming mandy is town is likely the one telling the truth. So the question comes down to which one spouts falsehoods and which one is nonsense. If the one lying is the one claiming pika is hostile, we can assume pika is safe and that the on talking about skoffin means nothing. If the one lying is the one that claimed skoffin is an investigative role, we can't deduce anything about pika. Since we can't deduce which scenario is true without them(pika/skoffin) dead, the only thing we can safely say is that this potentially proves mandy's innocence.

Actually, the person that setup the crier and mandy for dinner should probably set the crier and another person up for more dinners because the crier can safely relate their suspicions about the other persons role.

All of this only works though if we can assume the crier is townsided(which IS normal) and that the oracle isn't the crier making up stuff. If the oracle is the crier making up stuff then we can assume the crier is malicious and ignore everything they say. Though, if mandy conversed with the crier last night, he can help tell us whether the crier seemed townish or not.

ninja'd by buj. I would agree that criers are typically town but I would hardly call it completely unfair the possibility they are scum. Would be an extremely potent tool to mislead town around for a day or two or longer

[Pikanchion]

I already took into account the nonsense spirit. If the crier had dinner with mandy like so and we trust the crier, then that means that the spirit claiming mandy is town is likely the one telling the truth. So the question comes down to which one spouts falsehoods and which one is nonsense. If the one lying is the one claiming pika is hostile, we can assume pika is safe and that the on talking about skoffin means nothing. If the one lying is the one that claimed skoffin is an investigative role, we can't deduce anything about pika. Since we can't deduce which scenario is true without them(pika/skoffin) dead, the only thing we can safely say is that this potentially proves mandy's innocence.

FOS: You'reStillMakingMassiveAssumptionsAboutHow—AndEvenIf—ThisOracleCanActuallyDistinguishWhichSpiritIsSpeakingToThemAtAnyOneTime
FOS: YouAssumeThatTheThreeStatementsTodayHaveBeenMadeByTheThreeDifferentSpiritsButThereIsNoRealIndicationThatThisIsActuallyTheCase

FOS: TheOraclesAbilitiesAlsoDon'tSeemConsistantFromWhatTheyThemselvesHaveSaid:
FOS: YesterdayThereWereNoSpirits—AtTheTimeItAppearedToMeAtLeastThatThisWasBecauseNoPlayersHadDied
FOS: NowThereAreThree—SeeminglyPlayedByTheMod
FOS: SoWhyWouldTheseSpiritsBeInaccessibleYesterday?
FOS: PresumablyOnlyIfTheseSpiritsCouldOnlyBeCommunicatedWithAtNight
FOS: WhyDidTheResultFromEachQuestionComeInASeperateMod-PostAndSoFarApartChronologicallyThenAsTheOracleSeemsToBeAbleToPostViaModAtWill(BasedOnYesterday'sEvents)?
FOS: ThisIsEspeciallyOddWhenTheFirstOfTheseThreeCameImmediatelyAtTheDaysStart
FOS: WhyDelayTheOtherTwoIfYouHadThisInformationSinceBeforeTheEndOfTheNightPhase?
FOS: WhyHasTheOracleNotProvidedTheQuestionsTheyAsked/UsedQuestionsThatLendThemselvesToSuchAmbiguityOfAnswer?
FOS: "Hostile"IsAPoorlyDefinedTermInAGameOfMafiaForInstance—EspeciallyComparedTo"Investigative"Or"Town-Role"—SufficientlySoThatICouldn'tEvenBeSureItAppliesToMyRoleOrNot
FOS: AlmostAnyRoleOtherThanSurvivorIsHostileInOneWayOrAnother(FeelFreeToTakeThisAsANot-SurvivorRoleClaimIfYouWish) =P
FOS: AVanillaTownieIsHostileToScumAfterAllByMostDefinitions

FOS: dakk21'sUnforcedVTClaimAndTheLackOfActionableInformationFromLastNightPutsUsEffectivelyAtADay1RandomLynchSituationAgainIMO
FOS: So...

Vote: mandalorian2298 for being cryptic and confusing in their posts so far today...

[DirtyDishSoap]

Alright, so I gave some thought on both the Oracle and the Crier.

I agree with Sam on the point that it isn't completely unfair for scum to possess a crier, it wouldn't tip the scales per se as the name of the game is deceit, but I find it hardly convincing that 1. The Oracle is friendly, whether it's mod related or not, and 2. The crier's role possessing the ability to talk to someone, sort of "investigate" and then announce it through the mod. If I had to choose between one or the other, however, given how the Oracle has acted, I'm more inclined to believe the Crier.
So this basically means we have two different players with the capability of speaking at night, one of whom I'm sure is scum AKA: The Oracle. So for right now, we can clear both Skoffin and Mandy and FOS Pika for the vote on Mandy.

Not a lot to go off of but I think pursuing Mandy is counter productive.

[DirtyDishSoap]

EBWOP: Basically we have two different players who can speak at night, however, one can visit another player, and the other can't.

[mandalorian2298]

JUST because he says he is town crier doesn't make it true , Mandy and hjm could be scum buddies together, we need to be cautious

I have been confirmed Town by two independent sources, Mitch. I don't usually boast my townhood, but in this game it is the fixed place in the Universe from whence the Earth can be lifted.

Or a pokemon lynched.


vote Pika

There are three reasons which, cumulatively, make me sure that Pika is scum. The main reason why I feel pretty sure about it is that they have occurred to me in this order, so I feel like the facts have lead me to the conclusion, rather then me bending facts to fit the theory:

1. Pika's creative posts: If I'm right about this, then I would also like to FOS Mitch based on Kwanton's observation that Mitch's posts are actually pink and not red.

We know that the Town was given a PR to post in RED except for votes and FOSes. What if the reason behind Pika's FOS-posts is that he (and perhaps Mitch) have a separate PR which forces them to use a color OTHER THEN RED at least once in their posts. IF this is true, then Pika, being a sharp cookie, decided on the "hide the tree by planting a forest approach" and hidden the fact that he has to post in other colors behind the mask of rebelling against the PR?

2. Voice told us Pika is hostile: This is clearly better proof for me, and other players who know that I am Town, for we know the spirit to be capable of truth-telling. It also sucks for Skoffster, since she is likely to be fragged during N2, so Skoffin, IF you agree with my reasoning, and you have gotten an investigative result of any kind so far, It might be be a good idea to share now while you still can.

3. Pika voted me after I have been confirmed Town by the spirit Voice AND the Crier: He did a similar thing in the Lion King, where he went after me and stayed on me after I have claimed Simba (aka,the one unfakable role in the game). Brillian though he may be, Pika is also a brazen little scamp who likes to do outrageous things so that he may hide behind a WIFOM when he gets attacked. His main line of defense is that he is so obviously Scum that he couldn't possibly REALLY be Scum.

But he is. Sancta simplicitas says: let's lynch Pika.

[Samlen]

2. Voice told us Pika is hostile: This is clearly better proof for me, and other players who know that I am Town, for we know the spirit to be capable of truth-telling. It also sucks for Skoffster, since she is likely to be fragged during N2, so Skoffin, IF you agree with my reasoning, and you have gotten an investigative result of any kind so far, It might be be a good idea to share now while you still can.

[color=#FF0000]As tempting as it is to vote pika for his obnoxious way of rebelling against the also annoying pr, I can't see how to base your accusation off of the oracle. We got three statements and know one is always truthful one is always lying and one says whatever. We can't have the one calling you town and the one calling pika both be truthful, unless one is telling truth and the other is random nonsense that 'happens' to be right.

[Skoffin]

I'm going to start by saying that I disagree with everything, as usual.

First off, no, I won't be lynching based on a PR theory

Second is that if we do go by the oracle then it means nothing on pika anyway. It appears a crier confirms they had dinner with mandy - a crier cannot investigate btw, and mandy said he had a sensual dinner and he was with a crier. This 'dinner' thing sounds exactly like a role that appeared in another game here not long ago - BNI? maybe. My best guess is that someone here has a chef or whatever role and picked two people, mandy and the crier, so they know who both parties are. Crier says mandy is town, which would mean that with the spirit stuff the mandy is town one is the truthful one and the other two could mean anything. So no you can't lynch pika based on it, but if there are other reasons to go by then sure thing pal. If the chef thing is right then I agree with Sam that the chef should give the crier someone each night.
I am convinced this red business thing is completely Pika's fault, though.

[Samlen]

2. Voice told us Pika is hostile: This is clearly better proof for me, and other players who know that I am Town, for we know the spirit to be capable of truth-telling. It also sucks for Skoffster, since she is likely to be fragged during N2, so Skoffin, IF you agree with my reasoning, and you have gotten an investigative result of any kind so far, It might be be a good idea to share now while you still can.

As tempting as it is to vote pika for his obnoxious way of rebelling against the also annoying pr, I can't see how to base your accusation off of the oracle. We got three statements and know one is always truthful one is always lying and one says whatever. We can't have the one calling you town and the one calling pika both be truthful, unless one is telling truth and the other is random nonsense that 'happens' to be right.

nooooo why did the color break whyyyyyy

[Skoffin]

All this red bothers me.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Oh boy, I'm not going to fall for this again. No with the entire theory from Mandy, but I can agree with the hasty vote from Pika that it's a well deserved FOS. I don't believe BNI had a chef, we had a weird inventor of sorts and also a BG but no chef. If anything, this seems like a far fetched role, and I'd like to believe that the Crier has an added ability to where he visits players rather than a chef that operates similar to a BD who has players get together with another and whatever else transpires at night, way too much detail in that I don't think will get us much closer to understanding what had happened N1.

I imagine whoever possess the ability of crier, who thinks his ability is dumb to begin with, is being quiet, I think we're better off looking at the players whom aren't active/lurking.

So for right now, Vote TheWeirdOne. I think I've seen him post like once.

[Pikanchion]

All this red bothers me.

[mandalorian2298]

So, you don't trust the Voice and you won't lynch based on PR. What abot the fact that Pika voted me?

Me who am confirmed innocent and adorable to booth!

AND YOU DON'T EVEN CAAAAAARE!

[BuJaber]

Huh when were you confirmed mitch?!

I too thought at first that Pika had an additional PR but given his last post is practically empty and the rest don't have an obvious pattern, I'm now thinking that isn't the case.

If I were the mod and/or the person responsible for the PR, I would be tempted to call Pika hostile too for his rebellious posts.
If anything this makes me think that Pika is town. And yes Mandy but using his own WIFOM defence against him is sort of WIFOM on it's own.

The scene mentioned a green aura thing who seems to be a sort of global shield. I feel that a power like this could indicate that there are quiet a bit of killing roles in the game. Plus the size of the game tends to mean there are 3rd party involved.
I want to remind you all of how eager skoffin was for night 1. Plus he's denying the investigative role so I believe he could be a Serial Killer.
Also, even though I don't think the spirits would be able to help us at all given the way they're described, others seem to think we might be able to use them so lynching skoffin could help there. Not to say of course that mitch isn't scum. But we want the discussions to move forward so let's go for controversial pick rather than safe pick.

Unvote Vote Skoffin

[BuJaber]

Ah my god lynch me.. I just read mandalorian as mitch.


Sorry sorry .. mitch didn't claim he was confirmed sorry.

[DirtyDishSoap]

VOTE BUJABER FOR THINKING MANDY WAS MITCH! WHAT A HOBO, AMIRITE?!

Please don't take my vote cerial.

[madmitch]

@ BuJaber , no problem this game is hard to understand. So as I understand it the crier is town and the oracle is scum , is that what you guys are saying ? but the oracle told us about the 3 spirits right ? 1 says Skoffin has an investigation role which is denied, 1 said Pika is hostile ??? and 1 said that mandy is townish which was confirmed by crier, so right now I don't know what to believe.