[OFFICIAL] Stack the Deck mafia (4/12)Endgame: MAFIA WIN

[dakky21]

So IB shot another town? Cool.
Same as Rizky, will re read later today, but with 7 alive and 2 mafia, another wrong IB shot will leave us at LYLO.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Two of Mars, Rizky, Mitch and Boss are mafia.

Vote Boss

[anamainiacks]

Nice tunneling, IB. Good luck town.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

[b]important mod n

If mafia didnt take any powers then White Rose should have been able to claim Tracker with no fear of counterclaim. In which case there would only be two town power roles, IB and PT.

This statement is crazy!!! if mafia didn't take any power roles I.B and PT. WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE THERE ROLES, Town is suppose to have 1 cop and 1 body guard plus any bonus roles we get,anyway where was the body guard ? whose more important for town a tracker or BG. We know the scum took at least 2 roles ,what they are who knows ? the smart thing would be take the recruit that way you get your extra man right away and the cop. on day 1 TWR said Anam was my most certain town, knowing TWR was scum what does that make Anam ? now who is the 3rd Bos or WCG , I was stuck on wing but maybe I am wrong , I.B. you are the only confirmed town what do you think ?

What on earth was this Mitch. I posted my comment with Streaker modnote for a reason. You have never ever questioned my interpretation of game mechanics in any game, so why the outrage here?

[dakky21]

Two of Mars, Rizky, Mitch and Boss are mafia.

You realise how scummy it is to post 4 players out of 6, without yourself and ME.
Why are you so sure I am confirmed town?
It looks like if you were mafia, you would tie me to yourself and then turn against me in order to survive another day, while still killing a townie.

vote wing

[Iron Butterfly]

Boss can be guilty of extreme wifom arguments that does not make her mafia.

Mitch I feel is one of the scum just by his gameplay.

Yeh guilty of tunneling.Good thing it'snot real life and just a game eh? Not my best game. So sue me.

[bosaardbeitje]

Two of Mars, Rizky, Mitch and Boss are mafia.

Vote Boss

Glad to see you're still trying to take me down.

ouch... clears up my end/wing theory at least i guess...
i will be back when i have more time to read thru properly i was just checking in to see the aftermath of the night..

Rizky, in case you haven't noticed... How many times has Wing tried to talk you out of your ideas about him? Many people have said that your case made more sense than mine, but every single time Wing says you're wrong, you listen and move into another direction and then at the end of the day you decide to hammer me??? The fact that Endgame died doesn't mean the theory is completely out of the window. More people were involved in this game.

Not sure, honestly. But I do feel that, whether or not an unrecruited would give hints, goons would be looking for hints. I do feel that you and mitch are doing that. To clarify a bit further, EotW was the game. GotTonkaed was a player in the game, who ended up leaving and getting replaced mid-game by Endgame (who had already died N1). It's not terribly surprising that he would get the players confused, but if he IS trying to drop hints, mentioning a game where he's scum is actually a pretty clever way of doing it. And yes, mitch was in that game, too.

If I was Unrecruited traitor then this would have been the only hint I needed. Message sent, message received. [...] Consider this, I was sending hints to Endgame (a player I believe to be town) and IB (confirmed town) that I knew only Mars would also understand.

This... makes a lot of sense, actually.

The fact that Wing was suspicious of Maras D1 and completely turned around on D2 also doesn't make sense. He may have tried to pretend to be the Cop, hoping that Maras and perhaps others would buy it, but of course he couldn't claim Cop, because he wouldn't have an explanation if he was still alive on D3. He is either trying to frame Maras or they are scumpartners. It could also be that he was trying to signal Mitch, because Maras mentions that Mitch was also in the game, but Wing conveniently left that out. Right now I feel that we will learn most if we lynch Wing.

vote WingCmdr Ginkapo

@ IB, mafia is nothing but wifom

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Boss - why is me changing my opinion based on new information scummy?

[bosaardbeitje]

Subtle defending or Innocent remark? Could be either:

I've not been in a real game with rose before, so I'm not sure what's up with that meta, but I don't really think that activity = alignment.

Mars does post this also (at a time when no bandwagon had formed properly), so I lean towards innocent remark:

If I may speculate, I'm wondering if scum took daychat. Might explain why some normally chatty people aren't as talkative - it would be eating at their time, while also giving them a chance to coordinate stalling.

My reads are Boss and AnaManiac. I'm also letting go of my tunnel on Mars, he seems alright.

Which new information would that be Wing? The first quote from D1 or the second quote from D1? And isn't it a nice coincedence that you're letting go of your tunnel just when Maras posts this:

I have a weird feeling about Wing - D1 I couldn't tell if he was scumhunting or role fishing, and now that D2 has started he seems to be hanging back to gather people's reads.

[Iron Butterfly]

Two of Mars, Rizky, Mitch and Boss are mafia.

Vote Boss

So I have been very ill and not had my head in this game or any other for that matter. With that said why is boss scum wing?

[madmitch]

Why is EotW being brought up again and again ? Yes I was in that game but I had an important town role and played two much flavor and my role was revealed and I was killed, so what does that have to do in this game ?

[madmitch]

@ I.B. if I am so scummy why didn't you take me out? Going back to my day 2 feelings, in my eyes nothing has convinced me that wing is not scum. VOTE WCG

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Two of Mars, Rizky, Mitch and Boss are mafia.

Vote Boss

So I have been very ill and not had my head in this game or any other for that matter. With that said why is boss scum wing?

Understandable. I didnt post anymore as it is the same thing I have been saying for a good proportion of D2 so didnt think I needed to elaborate. Maybe I do seeing as two of the people I convinced of the case are dead.

First we have the vote count just before White Rose claimed:

(Unofficial) Vote count

-Endgame422 (0):
-TimWoodbury (0): marashu
-WingCmdr Ginkapo (0):
-bosaardbeitje (0): ptlowe
-madmitch (0):
-Streaker (0): the white rose
-the white rose (5): dakky21, Endgame422, WingCG, Mitch, IB
-Marashu (1): Wing, White Rose
-Iron Butterfly (0): bosaardbeitje
-Dakky (3): Madmitch, bosaardbeitje, AnaManiac, Tim
-Rizky (0) - Anamainiaks
-PTlowe (1) - White Rose,

With votes going fast keep an eye on the count. White Rose is at L-2, claim please

Now I know my vote was pretty much a bandwagon vote in order to get us a lynch D1. I didnt have a strong feeling towards the case but there was enough to go with. On this basis I cleared Dakky and Endgame as town as their votes and voices carried this lynch.

This left Mitch, IB, AnaManiac, Rizky, Boss and Mars.

IB confirmed town D2, AnaManiac killed N2.

So therefore mafia must be in Mitch, Mars, Rizky and Boss. My personal view is that it is Boss and Mitch.

Rizky - I have always had the feeling that he has limited knowledge of what is going on and is just a cautious confused town. His cases on myself and Endgame make some logical sense, however they have been built on assumptions about our intentions when making posts that are farfetched. Thats an experience thing I guess though.

Mars - Endgame had to remind me that Mars actions towards White Rose did not clear him. I followed Mars logic in voting White Rose so I give town cred for that, and havent since then had a strong scummy vibe from him, though this could be the read I have wrong.

Boss - At the start of D2 I posted that I thought his interactions with White Rose were more than just innocent comments. Since then he has been making illogical case after illogical case to try and lynch me. I cannot read this as town looking for scum, but only as scum hellbent on lynching me.

This post in particular sparks my senses, where Boss attacks Dakky for continuing to leave his vote on White Rose, a vote which was based on White Rose voting for the mod. A case that really needs no further substance;

@ Dakky, you are calling out TWR for a lack of substance during the first days of the game. I fail to see how that is different from your own play. Your posts don't include much new information either. You voted TWR at the beginning of the game, then you come back 4 days later and simply stick with your vote. You don't address any other things that have been going on. To me that makes you either scummy or uninterested.

Mitch - Hes been strange all of D2 so I believe him to be scum too. I think he knows too much and is struggling to act confused. His gameplay as town has advanced to the point where he actually has decent reads. Where are these reads now? All were getting is comments about stuff that happened about 5 pages in advance of his posts.

Mitch to answer your question, I referenced EoTW as a way to confuse mafia so that IB would not be killed by mafia N2. Only three people would have understood the full context of my refence in this game, Endgame, Mars and IB. In EoTW I was mafia and spent a lot of timing playing the soft claimed vig to make kills for me. However, this was a vig who had no clue what was going on, IB is a much better player and should have been killed as he will win us the game.

Boss please look at my vote D1 against White Rose, this was the third vote placed on White Rose.

On my point on daytalk, I was looking for people who were posting less than expected norm (other people's accounts on rose's lack of posts is what got rose on that list), and as for rizky being around, most of those posts contribute little more than showing that he is still present.

Ah I missed this the first time you raised it. Thats a very good argument. I dont trust you, but that is a good point.


Unvote Vote White Rose

From what I read of Rizky's previous game, he has no idea whats going on and is just a newbie. Its only his second game and in the other game was clearly struggling a bit with the whole thing.

So to answer your question this is the new information. Can I continue to believe that a player is scum when I followed their logic to catch mafia? I cannot. I was not given a crib sheet as to who was town and mafia at the start of the game, my reads D1 were based on very little so I updated them at the start of D2. It would not be good play to not constantly reevalute my reads.

@Dakky - Both mafia players MUST be amongst those four, I am not calling them all mafia. If you look back at D2 you will notice a lot of posts from me where I go into greater detail as to why of those four it is Boss and Mitch who are mafia. I have to question why you dont believe your D1 play clears you as town?

fp'd by Mitch - So I am at L-1 and this has all the hallmarks of a mafia fastpush for early lynch. Cheers for making it so obvious.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@ anamainiacks (any ideas on how we can shorten your name? ) Mitch is called Mad for a reason, you can expect all kinds of things from him, including dragging out the joke vote stage. So far I haven't seen him doing anything that makes me want to put him on my suspect list, but then again he's difficult to read.

What would make you put Mitch or someone on your suspect list?

IB - The post that in hindsight I think is of utmost importance. Boss's reaction to this question was not equal to the question UNLESS Boss and Mitch are scumpartners, in which case it makes total sense.

[bosaardbeitje]

Now I know my vote was pretty much a bandwagon vote in order to get us a lynch D1. I didnt have a strong feeling towards the case but there was enough to go with. On this basis I cleared Dakky and Endgame as town as their votes and voices carried this lynch.

This post in particular sparks my senses, where Boss attacks Dakky for continuing to leave his vote on White Rose, a vote which was based on White Rose voting for the mod. A case that really needs no further substance;

@ Dakky, you are calling out TWR for a lack of substance during the first days of the game. I fail to see how that is different from your own play. Your posts don't include much new information either. You voted TWR at the beginning of the game, then you come back 4 days later and simply stick with your vote. You don't address any other things that have been going on. To me that makes you either scummy or uninterested.

If your vote was 'pretty much a bandwagon vote' then the same is true for Mitch. And, if you clear Dakky and End, you are not clearing yourself. Nice way of putting yourself in the middle of nothing.

If you didn't have a strong feeling towards the case, then why should I have one? I didn't know it was standard procedure to vote for someone who is jokevoting the mod. Perhaps that should be included in the rules from now on, just so everyone knows.

Fpd

[bosaardbeitje]

Two of Mars, Rizky, Mitch and Boss are mafia.

You realise how scummy it is to post 4 players out of 6, without yourself and ME.
Why are you so sure I am confirmed town?
It looks like if you were mafia, you would tie me to yourself and then turn against me in order to survive another day, while still killing a townie.

vote wing

I thought you had a rule of voting for the one who called you scum and now you vote for the one who calles you Town? And nice way of hiding again btw... So what, you voted TWR all D1, kept hiding behind IB D2 and this is your input for D3?

[Marashu]

Well, this has been a busy 12 hours or so...

I'm feeling a bit less confident about dakky being scum today. I'm not townreading him, and the possibility of him being unrecruited still exists, but I feel like if mafia had decided to not kill IB and dakky was mafia or recruited, I would be dead instead of End.

So IB shot another town? Cool.
Same as Rizky, will re read later today, but with 7 alive and 2 mafia, another wrong IB shot will leave us at LYLO.

If we mislynch AND another wrong IB shot, it's game over.

@Wing - Why is bosaa more likely to be scum than mitch?
@bosaa - Could we get some of your other reads, please?
@dakky - If Wing is scum, who is his partner?

important mod note

Mod made an error when randomizing power roles. Town has been given 2 + x power roles (x being mafia power roles), however no guarantee for cop and bodyguard.
The entire list was ra ndomized and duplicate results are possible, however not confirmed by this post.

If mafia didnt take any powers then White Rose should have been able to claim Tracker with no fear of counterclaim. In which case there would only be two town power roles, IB and PT.

This is a slippery slope of logic. Mafia know how many PRs there are, but for town to disprove it, we would need another PR to claim.

This statement is crazy!!! if mafia didn't take any power roles I.B and PT. WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE THERE ROLES, Town is suppose to have 1 cop and 1 body guard plus any bonus roles we get,anyway where was the body guard ? whose more important for town a tracker or BG. We know the scum took at least 2 roles ,what they are who knows ? the smart thing would be take the recruit that way you get your extra man right away and the cop. on day 1 TWR said Anam was my most certain town, knowing TWR was scum what does that make Anam ? now who is the 3rd Bos or WCG , I was stuck on wing but maybe I am wrong , I.B. you are the only confirmed town what do you think ?

I actually have a problem with this. You were pretty clear on believing that the traitor in unrecruited, but this makes it sound like you believe mafia would recruit the goon. Obviously the core of this reasoning is flawed because it misunderstands Streaker's modnote, but if this is genuinely what you believed, then it doesn't line up well with the rest of your D2 play.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mars. Thats a moot question with a vig on our side. The more Mitch posts the scummier he is, but i have been pushing Boss since the start of D2and believe I am right, i want to finish it off.

[Iron Butterfly]

Mars. Thats a moot question with a vig on our side. The more Mitch posts the scummier he is, but i have been pushing Boss since the start of D2and believe I am right, i want to finish it off.

I do not believe bos is scum.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mars. Thats a moot question with a vig on our side. The more Mitch posts the scummier he is, but i have been pushing Boss since the start of D2and believe I am right, i want to finish it off.

I do not believe bos is scum.

I will have to switch to mitch then.

Who are your pair then?

[madmitch]

JESUS WCG make up your mind, if you don't post you are scummy and in my case I AM POSTING TO MUCH so I am scum, you set your eyes on someone and you keep nipping at there heels like your were doing to Bos but just because I.B. does not think she is scum you are switching to me, that is s bad as Dakky following everything he does, just because he is confirmed town does not make him right, he did kill a townie last night. I think now that you and Dakky might be the scum pair,

[ptlowe]

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One of the most important things, especially when you're leaving school, is to realize you're going to be dealing with a lot of idiots. And a lot of those idiots are in charge of things, so if you're in an interview and you really want to tell the person off, don't do it.
Lewis Black

[dakky21]

Two of Mars, Rizky, Mitch and Boss are mafia.

@dakky - If Wing is scum, who is his partner?

Either you or Rizky.

I strongly believe Mitch & Boss would NK IB as soon as they found out that he is the town vig. They're inexperienced and only experienced players like you and Wing can let him live (as Wing said)

In EoTW I let End live as town vig for ages as he was killing town for me, so there is not necessarily a reason for mafia to nightkill you immediately.

So my reads are changing, mitch & boss probably town or a scum pair, but still Rizky didn't input anything D3, so my vote stays on Rizky/Wing.

[Iron Butterfly]

Mars. Thats a moot question with a vig on our side. The more Mitch posts the scummier he is, but i have been pushing Boss since the start of D2and believe I am right, i want to finish it off.

I do not believe bos is scum.

I will have to switch to mitch then.

Who are your pair then?

Your very agreeable with me...why would you not keep trying to convince me of you are so sure??

*grin* I never recall you being such a suck up.

[rizky_biznezz]

Sorry I know I haven't put in anything since d3 started I haven't had enough time to go thru all the new info properly.. Half of my theory was completely wrong so I'm still deciding who I should be looking at.. I was reading bos more town and wing scum but I have been wrong about everything so far so very much doubting myself.. More posts to follow soon