Double Fanucci Mafia (4/14) Endgame

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Odd statement calling out Storr, myself, Nos, Rishaed and yourself for swinning votes. What do you hope to achieve with this? Besides the fact that it is perfectly acceptable on D1 (in a game this size) to feel out the waters. A lot of players are calling others out, but are not advancing pressure because they do not vote. If anything, you should be calling out the players who haven't placed vote yet.

I draw no conclusions in that post, merely presented the facts. If you think it isnt relevant then ignore those who are swinging votes. I make no judgement.

I have called out the player who has not placed a vote yet, Teegee. I have also presented all the votes so that others can draw their own conclusions. Are you going to do so, or just complain about me actually compiling information?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Unvote Vote Streaker.

If you had nothing to hide you wouldnt have started a non-argument. I've suspected you of being Mafia all game. There was no reason to make the post you just did. Scum hunting involves looking for information and not starting petty discussions for no reason. If there was any loaded argument in my post do you really think I would have included myself in it.

You jumped.

[NoSurvivors]

Unvote Vote Streaker.

If you had nothing to hide you wouldnt have started a non-argument. I've suspected you of being Mafia all game. There was no reason to make the post you just did. Scum hunting involves looking for information and not starting petty discussions for no reason. If there was any loaded argument in my post do you really think I would have included myself in it.

You jumped.

If you were smart at being scum, then yes, you would.

[rishaed]

Odd statement calling out Storr, myself, Nos, Rishaed and yourself for swinning votes. What do you hope to achieve with this? Besides the fact that it is perfectly acceptable on D1 (in a game this size) to feel out the waters. A lot of players are calling others out, but are not advancing pressure because they do not vote. If anything, you should be calling out the players who haven't placed vote yet.

I draw no conclusions in that post, merely presented the facts. If you think it isnt relevant then ignore those who are swinging votes. I make no judgement.

I have called out the player who has not placed a vote yet, Teegee. I have also presented all the votes so that others can draw their own conclusions. Are you going to do so, or just complain about me actually compiling information?

He could see it now, like a grand game of stones.
It was so much easier to direct than control. With a storm already in place he didn't need to force the lightning-- he only needed to cajole it.

Unvote Vote Streaker.

If you had nothing to hide you wouldnt have started a non-argument. I've suspected you of being Mafia all game. There was no reason to make the post you just did. Scum hunting involves looking for information and not starting petty discussions for no reason. If there was any loaded argument in my post do you really think I would have included myself in it.

You jumped.

Never accuse a man of a killing offense unless you were ready to kill him yourself, right then, with your own sword.
Upper quote not bad, lower quote.... Questionable. I don't like that at all. Streakers not questioning the vote analysis, but the timing. Why Now? What is your motivation? Redirection is all I can come up with. That and clogging up chat.
I would vote you for that, but my votes already on you so.....

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Rishaed and NoS - Two strong mafia reads leaping straight to Streakers defence.

[rishaed]

Rishaed and NoS - Two strong mafia reads leaping straight to Streakers defence.

"Who is this woman?" Roedran said. "And why do we--- Would you stop that!" He raised a hand as if he'd been smacked by a thread of Air, then glared at Egwene--- However, this time one of the nearby Asha'man was the one who smelled satisfied.
"Nice Shot, Grady," Perrin whispered.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Upper quote not bad, lower quote.... Questionable. I don't like that at all. Streakers not questioning the vote analysis, but the timing. Why Now? What is your motivation? Redirection is all I can come up with. That and clogging up chat.
I would vote you for that, but my votes already on you so.....

The games up Rishaed. You can talk normally. Nobody will take you seriously anymore

[StorrZerg]

Still alive. Will try to get some content in tonight.

Till then, I'd rather not wing. I like the way he is playing currently, pushing lots of content out.

liking his case streaker.


Be interested in tambo thoughts on Streaker.

[Iron Butterfly]

Rishaed and NoS - Two strong mafia reads leaping straight to Streakers defence.

Are you really joking?

[Army of GOD]

ok, I'm gonna go ahead and unvote vote Wing


he's been acting strange, threw kind of a OMGUS and then implicating NoS as scum despite him being pretty strongly town with no one coutner claiming his doc claim. Might have been a joke but Wing's been kind of up in the air all game.

[StorrZerg]

Aog, what do you think of strike pushing hard on nos?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Rishaed:

Page 9 -

If sarcasm indicated Mafia, I'd be hanged ten times over by now. vote Mtamburini"

First vote on Mtam. No one followed

Page 10 -

Something felt wrong on the wind, and his senses itched at him. Be wary. Be prepared. unvote Vote NoS
NoS it seems you are "stating the truth Creatively" and its scummy.[/quote}

NoS criticised Rishaed's vote - OMGUS vote. Again no other vote on NoS at this point. The bandwagon player was Hotshot at this point.

Page 13- [quote}unvote vote WingCmdr Trigger happy on D1 Lynch. Understand you're new, but after those three quotes I say your scum especially after doc claim.

NoS had claimed Doc by this point and it was clear that people were dropping their votes. Again no other vote on Wing.

Everytime he has picked a player, focused solely on them trying to muddy every post they make. Very odd behaviour for Town. If Rishaed is mafia then chances are that NoS isnt. I believe that Mtam is town, as am I, so that would be three first votes on town players prior to anyone else suspecting them.

fp'd by AoG - Cheers, it doesnt bother me, the number of mafia that are voting me will make it amusing when I flip town. Its a team game after all.

fp'd by Storr too! Welcome back, its been lonely without you

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Apologies for quote formatting fail in that post.

[Army of GOD]

Aog, what do you think of strike pushing hard on nos?

I'm very confused as to why he's doing it. I'm leaning scum for him, but am still waiting on a response for his vote.

[strike wolf]

I am just confused that it got as little attention as it did. I was fully expecting there to be a few people who would get into it but with the exception of those who dont seem to know whats going on...

[b]Tell us how you know what others players win conditions are besides yours?

People have been at best fence wobbling on the issue.

The counter claim is the tedious issue. The apparent issue is that NoS has a win condition that doesnt fit in. Wing's admission on his own win condition makes this a bit foggier of course and honsstly I dont know what to make of wing's claimed condition. Mine was pretty generically town.

The thing is that NoS didnt try to deflect any merit to the accusations I listed he just called me scum and hid behind his claim as a shield.

I also find it funny the lack of reaction here. There are those who admit tjat NoS win condition doesnt fit for one reason or another and there are those who apparently believe I am mafia trying to lynch the doc. So why is it that I am the only one voting for NoS? And Storr is the only one voting me and his vote came from before I voted the supposed doc?

As far as the Streaker case, I dislike it right now. Streaker pointed out the discrepancy in the win condition. Anyone else could have been mafia lying to fit in but the fact that streaker was familiar enough with the win condition to point out the discrepancy from his own points more towards town.

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count
NoSurvivors (2) - mtamburini, strike wolf
strike wolf (1) - StorrZerg
Streaker (3) - TeeGee, virus90, Wing
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - rishaed, Streaker, NoSurvivors, Army of GOD L-4
Hotshot (2) - metsfanmax, Iron Butterfly
StorrZerg (1) - Tails,
Iron Butterfly (1) - Hotshot53

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline in 72 Hours-ish
Note: default is no lynch

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

AoG is also voting Wing

[strike wolf]

Hmm I had had it in my mind that Mtam had unvoted NoS but maybe I was wrong. *Goed back to look*

[HotShot53]

So... how likely is it that DY gave different win conditions to different members of town? I am very cautious about lynching a claimed doc... but I've not seen different win conditions before, and NoS definitely has a different one from me and others, so maybe there is no doc and he was given it as a safe fake claim? Or could be more than one mafia factions, and he is a real doc for one of them.

...I can agree with caution on lynching a claimed doc.

Tell us how you know what others players win conditions are besides yours?

Because others have said their win conditions differ from NoS...

So... how likely is it that DY gave different win conditions to different members of town? I am very cautious about lynching a claimed doc... but I've not seen different win conditions before, and NoS definitely has a different one from me and others, so maybe there is no doc and he was given it as a safe fake claim? Or could be more than one mafia factions, and he is a real doc for one of them.

Also note that IB had no idea why streaker was questioning the role claim... when it should have been obvious to anyone with the town win condition. So I wouldn't be surprised if there are two scum factions, and IB is in the other one.

Ohh me again. Tell you what instead of speaking in generalities make a case against me.

I have made a case against you.... my original case was that you were active... but your posts were mostly just generalities and stating the obvious, and no reads (town or scum) on anyone at that time. Since then you have given only 2 reads, you voted NoS, removed the vote after his claim, and then voted me (I know you said it wasn't an OMGUS vote... but it still seemed like one to me lol). If I have missed any of your reads, please let me know. To me, you seem to be participating from the sidelines, trying to be "active" and asking questions, but not really giving opinions in cases on either side usually. You only created the NoS case after I called you out.

And because you didn't notice what was wrong with NoS's full claim, that implies to me that you don't have the generic town win condition as others do... which makes me more confident that you are scum.

Unfortunately, even though others say they have a soft scum read on you, it wasn't enough to make them vote, so I guess I will have to let the case go for now since the deadline is getting close, so I will unvote

[mtamburini]

Still alive. Will try to get some content in tonight.

Till then, I'd rather not wing. I like the way he is playing currently, pushing lots of content out.

liking his case streaker.


Be interested in tambo thoughts on Streaker.

Howd you know I was going to read through his posts first?

[HotShot53]

I am just confused that it got as little attention as it did. I was fully expecting there to be a few people who would get into it but with the exception of those who dont seem to know whats going on...

Tell us how you know what others players win conditions are besides yours?

People have been at best fence wobbling on the issue.

The counter claim is the tedious issue. The apparent issue is that NoS has a win condition that doesnt fit in. Wing's admission on his own win condition makes this a bit foggier of course and honsstly I dont know what to make of wing's claimed condition. Mine was pretty generically town.

The thing is that NoS didnt try to deflect any merit to the accusations I listed he just called me scum and hid behind his claim as a shield.

I also find it funny the lack of reaction here. There are those who admit tjat NoS win condition doesnt fit for one reason or another and there are those who apparently believe I am mafia trying to lynch the doc. So why is it that I am the only one voting for NoS? And Storr is the only one voting me and his vote came from before I voted the supposed doc?

As far as the Streaker case, I dislike it right now. Streaker pointed out the discrepancy in the win condition. Anyone else could have been mafia lying to fit in but the fact that streaker was familiar enough with the win condition to point out the discrepancy from his own points more towards town.

I have to agree with you here, it has been very strange how many people just shrugged it off, afraid of challenging a claimed doc I guess. If nothing better happens in the next couple days, I would support a NoS lynch over a no-lynch day.

I also agree about streaker, I don't see how a scum would be confident enough in knowing what the town win condition is to point out that NoS claimed a different win condition. I was neutral on him before that, but that moves me to the town side for him.

As for wing, he said his win condition had to do with his role... which sounds like a 3rd party to me. So I will [b]vote wing so we can get his claim to see what kind of third party he is while we still have time left in the day to decide who to lynch.

[HotShot53]

EBWOP vote wing didn't bold on the last one somehow

For the 2 TG's... if they don't show up soon will they be replaced and/or mod killed? If replaced, I hope it is soon so their replacements have time to participate before day end...

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

As there are only a few days to go should I speed this up and claim?

As I have said multiple times I dont really understand how claiming helps town, but I will do so.

[mtamburini]

Slightly town on streaker Stor, nothing super strong but not scummy

@hotshot did wing claim 3rd party?

[mtamburini]

We should definitly be lynching NOS or HOTs IMO based on hots last reason to vote for wing, why the f*ck would you want to kill someone who you think is third party