A Cino Filled Mafia (2/27) *Game Over*

[Talapus]

2. If I was going to continue to vote on annoyance, I would have voted, don't you think? You have certainly garnered a vote based on that. However, I did not vote you...thus, it is NOT a trend.

Now see, wasn't that easy? The fact that you dropped a vote because you were annoyed was my main problem, never ever is that a good reason as several players are stuck with whatever PR the mod gives them. As long as you understand that and won't be doing it again I'm completely happy unvoting you. Not that it matters because the chu won't count it. Skimming though needs a bit of work on your part...just saying.

Now let's get James in here to explain why it's ok to not even read long posts because you were next on my list...

[rishaed]

Based on my last post I have decided to move in a direction. unvote vote Doom

[Fircoal]

FOR THE RECORD:

When I mean unvotes don't count it does not mean your unvote does nothing. You can still unvote and it will remove your vote. The rule is for cases like this:

PErson A: Vote: Mandy.

[...]

Person A: Wait no! Unvote. Vote: Nag

In this case that unvote is not needed. If they were to do:


Person A: Wait no! Vote: Nag

it has the same effect. IT's to stop things like this:


Person B: Vote: TWO

[....]

Person B: Naaa... Vote: Commander

[...]

Person B: Wait no, I never unvoted my vote didn't count!

Well in a Fircoal game, yes your vote did count. The unvote rule does not mean you can't unvote when you want to remove a vote. It just means if you do decide to vote someone without unvoting it still happens.

And for another note that I should probably add. Fircoal games go off of intent, so even if you forget to unvote, or vote in the wrong colors or whatever your vote will probably be counted so please don't vote until you're serious about your vote.

[The Weird One]

Thanks for the clarification, Fircoal.

[Skoffin]

Respectfully: Calm yo shit, sir.

I echo Skoffin's sentiment here...you don't need to be posting every other message. You can either be (1)short and concise or (2)rambling and dominant with overly long-winded pointless posts. You, sir are #2. I do not skim, however, how do you expect me to remember all that crap you put in your posts. You know what your posts tell me? You think everyone is a skimmer. That's all I get. Nice work. Be sure to post more.
3. Doomyoshi - You are more my style. You type what you think with no filter at all. I sometimes wonder how you stay alive in these games ...but I do agree that Talapus is flooding us with walls of text.

No bud, I don't mean calm down by not posting long posts. I meant in terms of how hostile he appeared to be getting with this game. What is with people being up in arms over long posts? Really.

I expect Skoffin to skim as we have all come to expect it, I kn...

Except I didn't skim, thank you You can say that I misinterpreted, twisted your words or made wildly inaccurate assumptions about your posts; but to claim I am skimming is absolute bollocks. Call me out on things I'm actually doing, but I'm not taking shit that is false. I don't know whether you are having a bad day or got dickish over the years and I can see why parts of this game are frustrating, but you seem to be calling out every other player in this game beside you as being completely useless and not as enlightened as you are. Respectfully: Calm yo shit, sir.
Though, I do concur with the notion that players need to either be willing to read all posts to the full or get their arse out of the game.

WHOA So angry, Good thing I didn't actually accuse you of skimming. Had you took a deep breath and not gone on a tirade you'd realize that. So I will "Call you out on things you are doing" and point out in your last two repsonses to my posts you "Misinterpreted" each. Why go off on a personal attack and be completely over defensive for something I never said is beyond me. But just assuming it is you who is haveing the bad day. It will get better.

After going about everyone skimming, you mention how it is expected of me to be skimming; as if that is what I am doing because that is what I always do. How else was that remark about me to be interpreted?
I really can't tell whether this 'overly aggressive townie' shtick is just you or whether it's some clever acting.

[safariguy5]

In my mind, I imagined Skoff saying "Calm yo shit good sir" in a proper British accent and then taking a sip of tea. Was a very interesting mental picture.

BTW Shrew, still waiting for some input from you. I know you're reading this...

[DoomYoshi]

I think long posts are annoying sometimes but I don't think they are anti-town. Unvote Vote Doom

Are you voting me for the disagreement or for some other reason?

I will FOS Doom He has effectively derailed the train needed to bring pressure on a couple of people, specifically Neb a/o James to a lesser extent. I still want a claim at least from Neb/ or someone scummy. As for long posts, I would rather have long posts because they usually generate information, and they are easier (if you go back and compare them) to catch someone in a lie. See Edoc in Best of 2012 Mafia. Short posts don't give me the desired information, and also don't give any details or breadcrumbs in a post. Which admittedly I'm not exactly the best at picking up sometimes without foreknowledge of the information. If I had to guess, Doom might be scum aligned, because he used a similar strategy in Bo2012, but that's META and not hard evidence.
And yes I also agree with sheep that better formatting/ distinguishing of main points would help in long posts.

How did I derail a train?


Also, you are talking out of your ass. You made one long post in Island Mafia. It got you mislynched and you were a DOCTOR!!!!! That's how bad it was. Can you explain how long posts are helpful and can you provide a single example of where YOU posted a long post and it didn't totally f*ck over town?

[DoomYoshi]

When I say one long post in Island Mafia, I mean of all the posts in all the mafia games that rishaed has played there was only a single long post. So, the statistical sample is small, but he clearly has no idea what he is talking about.

[The1exile]

Firc, can we get a vote count?

[Skoffin]

Doom, are you really going to continue posting your ridiculous and pointless theories on how long/short a post needs to be in order to be useful? Aside from my belief that your views on the matter are bollocks, it is also hardly relevant and serving as little more than a distraction. Now, if that is your intended purpose then well done, otherwise perhaps we can give that line of thought a bit of a miss.

Exile, care to respond to any of the posts about yourself? Asking for nothing more than a vote count seems somewhat odd, all things considered.

Btw, safariguy, I also imagined myself speaking in an English accent when I say such phrases. Alas, my English accent is not as strong these days.

[Fircoal]

Votes Count 4

Commander9 (9) Mandy , saf , TFO , Exile , MM , Aage , Skoffin , Shadow , JamesKer1
Doom Yoshi (3) Shrew , Sheep , Rishaed
Saf (2) sheep , Tails
Nebuch (2) Tal , Caffeine
Kwan (1) Nark
Naggy (1) Commander9
Fircoal (1) Rish
TFO (1) new guy1
JamesKer1 (1) Saf
Skoffin (1) Illy
Nark (1) Rodion
Caffenie (1) Naggy
Exile (1) Jonty
Scotland (1) Stubbs
Tal (1) Doom Yoshi
Chuck Norris (1) Nebuchadnezer

27 Alive, 14 to Lynch, 13 to get a new car, 7 to get a kick in the crotch


This doesn't look right at all...

[Fircoal]

INACTIVE PRODING

It's proding time! Everyone please pm me the peeps who you would like prodded. Limit of 3 prod choices per person~

[shrewstur]

BTW Shrew, still waiting for some input from you. I know you're reading this...

Okay.

Secondly I have said multiple times I think lynching Com9 is a waste of a lynch since someone can just off him tonight. KILL HIM, but by all means lets not waste a lynch on it.Then if there is a win condition with a lynch of himself or Fircoal he doesn't get it...which I have also stated. No where have I stood up for Com9...NO WHERE. Had you not blatantly skimmed you would see that. The fact that you and so many others can't seem to be bothered to read the posts and actually clarify what was said or bring the basic facts forward floors me. You are one of several now that just skim and post. Seriously if you don't have the time to read(Which you just admitted you don't read long posts) Then what the hell are you doing in here playing?

this is dumb. Vig can be RB'ed, Com9 can be doctored, there is probably a Lightning Rod, busdriver and everyone else. You probably want someone to kill him tonight because you are mafia and then you can busdrive the kill to a target of your choice.

In Talapus's post, he argued not to vote Commander9, and instead he voted for Nebuchadnezer. I don't think DoomYoshi would be this accusatory towards Talapus if he wasn't aligned with Neb. If Commander9 somehow survives, there will be grounds to believe that Talapus is a busdriver mafia.

[JamesKer1]

Where are James and Neb at? They are two I want to hear from some more. Well them and half the other players but them mainly for their comments.

I will make a decent post later tonight busy right now

[iAmCaffeine]

You don't happen to play epicmafia, do you?

Yes! I played a long time ago and recently started playing again. PM me with your username.

Okay! I've now read the last four or five pages. In summary, I'm thinking about the following...

@Commander9 - I don't think this guy is scum. It seems he has a rather unfortunate role that leads people to want him dead, therefore getting distracted from the main enemies which are the mafia and their allies. The bandwagon on him, which I was originally a part of, has no strong foundation.

@The1exile - Slightly suspicious for reason aforementioned; pushing for a lynch on Commander9 much more heavily than anyone else. However, unless I'm mistaken, he seems to have gone quiet about this since other players have brought it up.

@Nebuchadnezer - I'm leaving my vote on him still. He is highly suspicious and, as demonstrated by Talapus on more than one occasion, his defence doesn't add up. Furthermore, I strongly suspect that Neb' and DoomYoshi are within the same team.

@DoomYoshi - I know he's generally a minor forum troll when he wants to be. However, his irrational defence of Neb' and consequential vote for Talapus suggest he's aligned with Neb', and they're both scum.

I'm fairly certain Neb' and Doom' are both scum. The1exile is a potential as well, just playing more smartly than Doom' and not jumping onto the defensive bandwagon.

[DoomYoshi]

Doom, are you really going to continue posting your ridiculous and pointless theories on how long/short a post needs to be in order to be useful? Aside from my belief that your views on the matter are bollocks, it is also hardly relevant and serving as little more than a distraction. Now, if that is your intended purpose then well done, otherwise perhaps we can give that line of thought a bit of a miss.

Exile, care to respond to any of the posts about yourself? Asking for nothing more than a vote count seems somewhat odd, all things considered.

Btw, safariguy, I also imagined myself speaking in an English accent when I say such phrases. Alas, my English accent is not as strong these days.

Rishaed is voting me because of what I said about long posts. However, since he never uses long posts, he doesn't know what he is talking about. This is directly related to the case on me at this point, considering 2 of 3 votes on me are based on what I said about long posts.

If you would notice, I haven't mentioned the theory in the last post.

All I said was - for you to have an opinion on long posts you must have used them. To vote somebody for long posts hatred, when rishaed is pretty steady in the 2-6 lines range is ridiculous.

For those trying to link me with Neb: I was bitching at Talapus exactly one post before he voted for Neb. So, unless you ascribe to the theory that time flows in reverse, and we just experience backwards; then you have to drop that accusation as baseless.

[rishaed]

When I say one long post in Island Mafia, I mean of all the posts in all the mafia games that rishaed has played there was only a single long post. So, the statistical sample is small, but he clearly has no idea what he is talking about.

oh, like this one maybe?
long post1
or this one
or maybe this one?
That's enough however. I usually do keep my posts short and concise. Why should I use two sentences to say what I can use one with? I use long posts when building cases and posting my thoughts and comments on said cases. However that is enough of a tangent from outside the thread.
How can you say that you didn't completely derail the thread from a Neb line of thought? After Tal, voted Neb directely and had a long post as such, you completely attacked Tal, which then drew attention from Neb/JamKer, and a page or two later Neb's name is nowhere to be seen.
Also the long post being scummy is BS. And I don't have to post long posts to know the information that I get out of them, or the potential information is greater.

[rishaed]

I will FOS Doom He has effectively derailed the train needed to bring pressure on a couple of people, specifically Neb a/o James to a lesser extent. I still want a claim at least from Neb/ or someone scummy. As for long posts, I would rather have long posts because they usually generate information, and they are easier (if you go back and compare them) to catch someone in a lie. See Edoc in Best of 2012 Mafia. Short posts don't give me the desired information, and also don't give any details or breadcrumbs in a post. Which admittedly I'm not exactly the best at picking up sometimes without foreknowledge of the information. If I had to guess, Doom might be scum aligned, because he used a similar strategy in Bo2012, but that's META and not hard evidence.
And yes I also agree with sheep that better formatting/ distinguishing of main points would help in long posts.

Double posting I know, but I am voting you for these two things.
I realize the second one isn't really able to be defended.
Otherwise known as 1. Deflecting attn. from someone else intentionally.
2.Gut feel from previous experience.

[The1exile]

Exile, care to respond to any of the posts about yourself? Asking for nothing more than a vote count seems somewhat odd, all things considered.

I have uni all day weekdays so that was something I shot off shortly before catching the train this morning. I will try and recap now.

[nagerous]

Exile, care to respond to any of the posts about yourself? Asking for nothing more than a vote count seems somewhat odd, all things considered.

I have uni all day weekdays so that was something I shot off shortly before catching the train this morning. I will try and recap now.

Your uni has begun already?

[The1exile]

Firstly, "The Red Part":you are not convinced he is town by him not roleclaiming. Why the hell would he claim, he is not @ L-2. Or turned up scum in an investigation, in fact, it would be more scummy to claim under little pressure than to claim under little pressure.

You've misunderstood. My problem is not that he's hasn't roleclaimed (duh) it's that he tried to drip drop information that would lead us to believe that he is important... and I'll come to why that's important later.

Secondly, "The Orange Part": you geninuely think there is a possibility that he is a cultist AND he "leaked this info on D1". Lets have at look at where this all came from. (snip)

"The Orange Part": (because it is related to Comm9 been cult, like the previous orange part)"Many a true word is spoken in jest." Now this is your reasoning for why Comm9 sarcastically agreeing to Mandy's comment, makes him a cultee. I think it is absolute trollop. If somebody were to accuse me as a cult leader IN THE JOKEVOTE STAGE I would plead guilty as it would be humourous, regardless of my role. I cannot fathom, how you can think he was been serious.

Well, you're entitled to do that I guess. OTOH it's exactly the double-bluff tactic a cult might take. But you're giving me way too much credit for being a day-cop.

"The Red Part": (because it is related because it is related to the part about him not roleclaiming, like the previous red part) why would he reveal all about his role, when he's not at L-2???

I don't think he is revealing all about his role. In fact, I don't know for sure that he is a cultist. What I do know is that we need a lynch day 1, and he is acting suspiciously. Why do I know that?

Well, my initial suspicion of him is based on his terrible reaction to mandy's suspicion and his attempts to big up his role to the town, viz:

Well, yes and no. My victory condition (goal) has nothing to do with Fircoal, so it's not the typical lyncher/lynchee situation, but another part of my role is... Heavily associated with this situation. I'm guessing that if he'd actually get lynched, either nothing would happen or my role/powers would transform.

I totally agree with most of what is said above, that's why it's not really recommended by me as my "meta" game has nothing to do with this.

Sound like a townie-with-a-post-restriction to you? After this, he started attracting attention. Here's his defence, paraphrased:

Sarcasm sarcasm no u lynch fircoal instead sarcasm you're skimming skimming skimming hey guys look who's a big fat skimmer

The closest he got to an actual defence was when he suggested "aage/mandy/skoff" were bandwagonning.

So now, with his latest post, let's revisit his actual claim, bearing in mind his suggestions of importance before:

I am a townie with specific... "conditions."

and then some stuff about only ever posting jokes.

TL;DR I don't know that comm9 is scum - but I believe his reactions to being accused are suspicious and that he has deliberately tried to mislead the town with suggestions of his role. Since we need a lynch day 1 (this isn't really up for discussion, since giving scum a free night is always a bad idea) I think we should vote him, though I am willing to entertain other theories of who might be scum. Unfortunately, so far not even comm9 (who is the one who really should be under the moist pressure to spot scumminess in others) has presented a definite path to follow. Finally, as to the cult thing, I don't know if there is a cult but a) it is a distinct possibility I don't want to rule out and b) if there is a cult, having a lynch-free day 1 is a really bad idea.

[The1exile]

@Commander9 - I don't think this guy is scum. It seems he has a rather unfortunate role that leads people to want him dead, therefore getting distracted from the main enemies which are the mafia and their allies. The bandwagon on him, which I was originally a part of, has no strong foundation.

I summed up my reasons for believing Comm is not what he says he is above.

@The1exile - Slightly suspicious for reason aforementioned; pushing for a lynch on Commander9 much more heavily than anyone else. However, unless I'm mistaken, he seems to have gone quiet about this since other players have brought it up.

I will admit I pushed this lynch pretty hard; however, that's because this is day 1 so the best way to get any info is to see what sticks out of the joke votes etc. In Comm9's case, his defence was rubbish-to-nonexistent so I believe he is the most likely to be scum (with honourable mentions for my earlier FOS too).

The rest of your points are interesting. There may well be multiple factions, explaining some of the defence/bandwagon efforts. Something to keep in mind.

Exile, care to respond to any of the posts about yourself? Asking for nothing more than a vote count seems somewhat odd, all things considered.

I have uni all day weekdays so that was something I shot off shortly before catching the train this morning. I will try and recap now.

Your uni has begun already?

Yeah, I'm doing a PGCE.

[sheepofdumb]

I think long posts are annoying sometimes but I don't think they are anti-town. Unvote Vote Doom

Are you voting me for the disagreement or for some other reason?

I have no strong opinions on all the dust Tal has been raising and your post ticked annoyed me. So it's disagreement.

[Talapus]

In Talapus's post, he argued not to vote Commander9, and instead he voted for Nebuchadnezer. I don't think DoomYoshi would be this accusatory towards Talapus if he wasn't aligned with Neb. If Commander9 somehow survives, there will be grounds to believe that Talapus is a busdriver mafia.

ummmm, I'm confused. That wasn't my argument at all. My argument was that there was no need to waste a lynch on Com9 when someone could off him in the night. Not sure how you missed it as it's in several posts. I voted Neb and called out James for there seemingly scummy moves and playstyles which several others have now also commented on as well. And I am certainly not defending Yoshi in any way but Yoshi's whole accusatory posts towards me relied heavily on the completely misguided notion that those who post long posts are likely scum as that is usually how it works on a different site. Could he be aligned with Neb sure, other people said Yoshi seemed to derail the thread, I don't really see it that way but mafia is opinions and guesses so speak your mind.

How in the world this makes grounds for me to be a mafia busdriver is beyond me. I stated a few times if Com9 is cult, as I certainly don't buy everything he is saying and don't trust him still, then town or mafia would be completely stupid to busdrive him in the night. That just a damn quick way to give a possible third party the majority to win and town and mafia would both be screwed. This has all been discussed so not sure how much time and effort you put into your thoughts, but maybe time to try again.

[shrewstur]

In Talapus's post, he argued not to vote Commander9, and instead he voted for Nebuchadnezer. I don't think DoomYoshi would be this accusatory towards Talapus if he wasn't aligned with Neb. If Commander9 somehow survives, there will be grounds to believe that Talapus is a busdriver mafia.

ummmm, I'm confused. That wasn't my argument at all. My argument was that there was no need to waste a lynch on Com9 when someone could off him in the night. Not sure how you missed it as it's in several posts. I voted Neb and called out James for there seemingly scummy moves and playstyles which several others have now also commented on as well. And I am certainly not defending Yoshi in any way but Yoshi's whole accusatory posts towards me relied heavily on the completely misguided notion that those who post long posts are likely scum as that is usually how it works on a different site. Could he be aligned with Neb sure, other people said Yoshi seemed to derail the thread, I don't really see it that way but mafia is opinions and guesses so speak your mind.

How in the world this makes grounds for me to be a mafia busdriver is beyond me. I stated a few times if Com9 is cult, as I certainly don't buy everything he is saying and don't trust him still, then town or mafia would be completely stupid to busdrive him in the night. That just a damn quick way to give a possible third party the majority to win and town and mafia would both be screwed. This has all been discussed so not sure how much time and effort you put into your thoughts, but maybe time to try again.

When I said that you argued not to vote Commander, I meant that you were saying not to lynch him this turn. I read through all your posts, I just could have phrased it better is all.