CYOC Mafia [7/15] Game Over! [Archive]

by **DoomYoshi** on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:44 pm

Yomiel wrote:Why are we handing victory over to the Mafia so early in the game?-.-

According to you, vodean is mafia. How is lynching mafia giving them the game?

You are new around here, so you don't understand. A game like this is played amped up. So you kill players. I bet we have unkillable players. I bet we have players that come back from the dead. I bet we have revivers. I bet we have players so powerful we will make you shut up you will be so stunned (I seriously hope so). Your role isn't the center of the universe. STFU now.

by **spiesr** on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:47 pm

Yomiel wrote:Why are we handing victory over to the Mafia so early in the game?-.-

Why won't you help us try to find the scum in some manner? By this point we are all aware of what you have claimed and how you feel about being lynched. Continuing to remind us via short posts which don't bring anything new to the table doesn't seem likely to convince any more people to agree with you on it. Everyone has developed their opinions on whether they want to lynch you now or not. You can either make a drawn and and fully reasoned post which brings up new points about why you should be lynched now, or you can try and help the to town find the scum. The only thing continuing to make posts like this one does is annoy people. So, unless your current strategy is to annoy people until they kill you to shut you up, you aren't accomplishing anything.

by **safariguy5** on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:50 pm

Yomiel, you seem to be certain that your ability can ONLY hurt town. Do you or do you not agree that you could kill mafia? Sure, the probability of that happening is low, but we could say the same thing about the cop or the doc investigating mafia/protecting the targeted player. Just because an event is unlikely, it doesn't mean that that event will not happen.

And as for the alignment thing, I'm pretty sure each character we pick could have powers that are flexible, and pcm probably tailored the powers a bit to make each faction fair.

For instance, if Jason Bourne was a character, I could totally see him being a vig, a cop, a doc, a roleblocker, a tracker...or some mafia or third party role. So I'm not buying your assertion that you can ONLY hurt town. Your continuous belief that everyone who doesn't vote you is mafia doesn't help your case. Because that's just about everyone at this point.

Fastposted by spiesr.

by **Yomiel** on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:59 pm

I THINK Vodean is Mafia. But I do not KNOW that his role is actually something against the Town. I do know my own will harm the Town just by existing.

I have given all the information I can about me, answered every question you have, and I have given you plenty of reasons to lynch me. Do you guys really want to risk losing 5 Townies this round? Do you really want to risk this unknown effect not lynching me on Day 1 will have? I HAVE to be lynched this Day, but you won't understand until it's too late. If I die any later, you will see your mistake, and there will be nothing we can do. I am also pretty sure a vig will not kill me tonight, and we know the Mafia ain't doing it.

And for the millionth time, I am NOT saying people are Mafia just for not voting for me, but it does raise suspicions.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:06 pm

WOW.

All I can say is WOW in regards to Yomiel. 27 pages of repeating the same crap over and over. I have never seen someone who claims to be Town do so much to make Towns job so hard and miserable. 27 pages later and its still one big WIFOM decision on weather to lynch or not.

I really really have to bite my tounge on many levels in regards to Yomiel and his play. There is more to play then becoming a broken record. Their logic is nonexhistent. They offer nothing to help Town other then to say if you dont kill me youll be sorry.

I will not be voting to lynch. I base this on my experience with them and how they play. I am always always leary of someone who SCREAMS to be lynched over and over again. I agree with Safs post. I am more then happy to wait and see what will happen one way or the other. This is after all a game...lol not like real people will be killed. I beleive we have other roles wich can help to remedy whatever threat he may present if he is telling the truth.

I will Vote Vodean

We need to focus on someone besides Yomiel and they are the best canidate. The little WIFOM trap they claim to have created seems fishy to me.

by **Yomiel** on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:10 pm

If you say there is nothing to my logic, then you haven't read my posts at all. I have given reason after reason why they should vote me. Eventually, I probably will be killed, but it will be too late to do the one good I could have done, and you will all be kicking yourselves.

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:10 pm

Yomiel, I will make a deal with you. If you can create a solid case on a single target and they turn out to be scum, then I will do whatever you ask and help you get killed. Participate and work with the town, and we will work with you. This is a team effort. Until you can do that, I will keep assuming you are lying or else exaggerating your role tremendously.

I would really like to hear a claim from vodean before the lynch. I'm still trying to make sense of why everyone is voting him though. It has been put into question whether his case against tails was a real case, or if it was just a ploy. Personally, I see it as a moot point.

Are we voting him because he made a bad case? Well, every one does occasionally.

Because he said it was a fake case? If so, that's just as weak of a case against him. Even if he was lying, I don't see how it would benefit scum at all. Perhaps he was trying to make a bs case against a scumbuddy (tails) and wanted to rescind it before it could gain support. But I feel that that is quite a long shot.

Jak says it was because he was vote hopping, but looking back at the vote counts I can only see him as having voted a few people. Over the course of 28 pages, that isn't that many.

The only logical excuse is that we simply need someone to lynch besides yomiel. And if that is the case, then I feel extremely sorry for vodean. They case on him is weak (even by day 1 standards) and I feel we are basically saying "Ah f*ck it, lets just kill this bastard."

by **Yomiel** on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:16 pm

Unfortunately, your deal doesn't really work. I need to die this Day. It can't be later. I've presented more than enough of a case to justify lynching me, and everyone was on board until / came up with an idea that even she later decided against. If it weren't for this stupid post restriction, this would be so much easier, but I'm doing my best.

by **Yomiel** on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:18 pm

I've also shown why I can't be lying. If I'm Mafia, why would I want to get lynched with this role? Mafia wants to kill Town, and they are usually small in number, so they need to stay alive. And if I'm Town, you should know to trust me. I even offered to cast the final vote myself, so I'm not sure what more you want. I'm the only certain threat to the Town I can pinpoint.

by **jak111** on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:20 pm

Well damn o.o I didn't think Vodean would be lynched without a claim. I just got tired of the BS going on and wanted us to move somewhere not lynch someone out of the blue.

But to Squirrel's post, what's your best idea? I didn't have much to work with and neither did anyone else with all this clutter for the entire day..

Also to Yomiel.. WHAT POST RESTRICTIONS? <.< If there was a post restriction you would have passed it by 10 kilometers...

by **Yomiel** on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:24 pm

If I could tell you the details, it wouldn't really be a post restriction, would it? All I can say, is there is something about my role I CAN'T say, but it adds to the necessity to lynch me Day 1.

Vodean hasn't been lynched yet, though.

by **jak111** on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:33 pm

Yomiel wrote:Vodean hasn't been lynched yet, though.

You sure? I don't have a VC handy, plus I'm about to pass out.. so yea...

by **Yomiel** on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:36 pm

My record shows him at 6 votes.

by **Yomiel** on Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:26 am

But there's very little time left, and Vodean still hasn't claimed.

by **ShaggyDan** on Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:28 am

Sorry about lack of posting over the last two days. Just got back to a PC. And after reading what I missed looks like it was still 75% about Yomiel.

As for the person with the most votes being lynched I'm not comfortable with Vodean beign at top without a claim at least. Though he did say he was a fairly un-important power role, so at least if that is truthful it doesn't sound like a great loss. I'll read over the case and post thoughts ASAP. I'm definitely not voting Yomiel, not only did I not believe his claim at the start but his story has changed so much over the day I am definitely pushing for a vig kill here (it could be a matter of him being some kind of mafia PGO and expecting this to happen but that's pretty WIFOM). If anything I'm definitely curious as to what he flips.

Other than that I don't know how to proceed really... With less than 36 hours till night time I don't think there's time to do anything else... we did manage to move past Yomiel a little over the few days and have a little to look at. Also I would like to apologise for my blatant bandwagon earlier... it was out of frustration more than anything. [color=FF0000]Unvote[/color].

I've got some time now so I'll do a re-read and try and put something progressive up.

by **Yomiel** on Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:33 am

My story hasn't changed at all. And I did say a vigilante could kill me, but it won't happen. Plus, it's better if I die Day 1. You'll all be kicking yourselves when you realize the obvious mistake you've made.

by **vodean** on Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:54 am

ok. after reading the rules again, it would seem i can claim my name, as yomiel did. im luke skywalker, and i popped up town. so im the town enhancer.

by **Yomiel** on Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:02 am

What the heck does that mean?O_o

If it's some type of valuable role, looks like the Town will have to make a decision.

by **edocsil** on Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:08 am

vodean wrote:ok. after reading the rules again, it would seem i can claim my name, as yomiel did. im luke skywalker, and i popped up town. so im the town enhancer.

Abilities are what?

by **ShaggyDan** on Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:11 am

vodean wrote:ok. after reading the rules again, it would seem i can claim my name, as yomiel did. im luke skywalker, and i popped up town. so im the town enhancer.

I'm assuming that's something that makes other roles either more powerful or able to target more players? Either way, not terribly useful because you could potentially target scum players also.

After a re-read I don't think the case against Vodean is very strong. Though it is kind of hard to track coherent thought with so many diversions from the topic with Yomiel's role / case. I can't even properly re-read to examine what's happened without having to skip over half the posts on each page. Unfortunately with the time restrictions it remains the most solid case we have. The idea that he would put out a horrible case just to gauge reactions (which admittedly I jumped on without reading through properly) and then back-pedalling so quickly seems dodgy at best. He said he was surprised I jumped on the case... if he didn't think it would work and that he would come under fire, then why do it? I at least admitted that what I did was wrong and explained why I did it... it seems that he had to come up with something on the fly after being called out on it.

The fact remains; it's the player with the most votes that gets lynched. With lack of time I'd be a lot more comfortable voting off a town support role than potentially playing in to the hands of something dangerous in Yomiel or into something more rushed. So with reluctance; Unvote and Vote Vodean.

by **vodean** on Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:15 am

edocsil wrote:
vodean wrote:ok. after reading the rules again, it would seem i can claim my name, as yomiel did. im luke skywalker, and i popped up town. so im the town enhancer.

Abilities are what?

as far as i can tell its the same as an enabler. i make someone un-roleblockable. like an anti-roleblock. so since i dont know who the roleblockers are, it will be hard to guess their targets, and hence difficult to use my role... thats why its not that important. also, the role just doesnt have much power most of the time.

shaggy? REALLY? this sort of thing is what made me vote you in the first place. by my count thats a lynch. shaggy, you scumbag.

by **Yomiel** on Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:25 am

You guys are on your own with that one, then.-.- Just remember my words. You'll regret it, even if he does turn out to be Mafia.

by **ShaggyDan** on Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:41 am

vodean wrote:shaggy? REALLY? this sort of thing is what made me vote you in the first place. by my count thats a lynch. shaggy, you scumbag.

That puts you at 7 votes with 9 needed to lynch, so you're at L-2 (by my count).

I did say with reluctance, ideally I'd like an extension for us to pursue more cases... but I think the odds of that happening are very slim (and even if there was an extension I imagine the Yomiel discussion would still take up more time). With you and Yomiel being the front runners with votes and there being less than 24 hours left I'm much rather vote a claimed support role than something unknown with a changing story that wants to be lynched. I admitted the case on you was weak (as most day one cases are), but at the moment I see it as the lesser of two evils. What you claimed sounds even less useful than what I speculated, so the vote stays.