POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

[strike wolf]

Hmm interesting. With the second kill being Davey Jones I wonder if that means he's the head of a second faction of mafia. I haven't been in a game with a mafia watcher before (at least that I remember), though i can see how it could be useful to mafia especially if there are other killers or factions out there. I had been mildly suspicious of what Mr. Squirrel though the case was weak.
Edoc yesterday you said you had a reason for your behavior that you were going to explain. I'll reserve my vote until I hear more about this.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I'm already F-ing DEAD!!!!????

I hate you guys.

QFT

[edocsil]

Hmm interesting. With the second kill being Davey Jones I wonder if that means he's the head of a second faction of mafia. I haven't been in a game with a mafia watcher before (at least that I remember), though i can see how it could be useful to mafia especially if there are other killers or factions out there. I had been mildly suspicious of what Mr. Squirrel though the case was weak.
Edoc yesterday you said you had a reason for your behavior that you were going to explain. I'll reserve my vote until I hear more about this.

Ah yes this. As you can guess from yesterdays actions I am not town. Claims are something that are required for me to win, more then that I really won't say. Fircoal threw out some other hints and I thought his claim was a fake. When the time is needed you will certainly have everything explained.

[Falkomagno]

I think the mafia watcher doens't mean necessarily another faction. Mafia can use him to identify the doctor, and other relevant town roles. So, another explanation can be a night kill from a vigilante, in which case is brilliant, since I didn't see Mr. Squirrell as that scum. Nice work in that case.

And ofr sure, the fircoal long essay has a lot of valid points, especially edocil case,which I stated before as well, although in rather shallow way. But I strongly recommend see his post isolated, and his vote patterns.

vote edocil

[strike wolf]

I think the mafia watcher doens't mean necessarily another faction. Mafia can use him to identify the doctor, and other relevant town roles. So, another explanation can be a night kill from a vigilante, in which case is brilliant, since I didn't see Mr. Squirrell as that scum. Nice work in that case.

And ofr sure, the fircoal long essay has a lot of valid points, especially edocil case,which I stated before as well, although in rather shallow way. But I strongly recommend see his post isolated, and his vote patterns.

vote edocil

Only problem with that theory falko is that the kill was very clearly made by Davey Jones and Davey Jones is very likely NOT town aligned.

[pancakemix]

I'm going to Vote Strike for my day 1 reasons and for Squirrel's seeming attempt at distancing himself from strike by being adamant about voting him.

[edocsil]

I think the mafia watcher doens't mean necessarily another faction. Mafia can use him to identify the doctor, and other relevant town roles. So, another explanation can be a night kill from a vigilante, in which case is brilliant, since I didn't see Mr. Squirrell as that scum. Nice work in that case.

And ofr sure, the fircoal long essay has a lot of valid points, especially edocil case,which I stated before as well, although in rather shallow way. But I strongly recommend see his post isolated, and his vote patterns.

vote edocil

Wrong on all accounts. I won't bother arguing for the ones against me because there really isn't much to say beyond bad move. I will however tear you a new one for the idiocy of the rest of your post. Fish face killed the scum watcher. That explicitly means he is anti town, as he has a kill and flavor tells us he is not a friend of the Pirates AT ALL. He is the MAIN BAD GUY in the movies. He is a SK at best. Due to the presence of a watcher he is almost certainly the leader of a anti town faction, due to the fact that a watcher is really only useful if there is a substantial anti town threat. Yes it is nice to help find the doc and the like, but it really isn't that important, they need to kill everyone anyway.

[Victor Sullivan]

I think the mafia watcher doens't mean necessarily another faction. Mafia can use him to identify the doctor, and other relevant town roles. So, another explanation can be a night kill from a vigilante, in which case is brilliant, since I didn't see Mr. Squirrell as that scum. Nice work in that case.

And ofr sure, the fircoal long essay has a lot of valid points, especially edocil case,which I stated before as well, although in rather shallow way. But I strongly recommend see his post isolated, and his vote patterns.

vote edocil

Only problem with that theory falko is that the kill was very clearly made by Davey Jones and Davey Jones is very likely NOT town aligned.

Well, I'll agree that Davy Jones is likely not town-aligned, but did Jones ever kill anyone in the movies? Why would he be a SK, then? He just appeared to people when they were dying to see if they wanted to join his crew or whatever. Bah, maybe I'm over-thinking, but I feel we shouldn't jump to conclusions. I mean, why would we have gotten insight into Norrington's killer, but not Barbosa's? And isn't it plausible that town would have a vigilante? I mean, come on, their pirates.

vote strike wolf - I still find him scummy from yesterday.

P.S. Sadface that Barbosa got killed. He was my favorite character in the movies.

[strike wolf]

There were hints in the Barbossa death. "boarding party of soldiers" the British guy who had control of Jones' heart in the third movie is the only character who realistically would have soldiers working for him unless you count Elizabeth's father but that's not very likely....And yeah it's likely that we have a vigilante but it doesn't look like the vigilante was responsible for either death this night which means whoever is the vigilante assuming there is one followed the protocol of not killing anyone night 1.

[Commander9]

Nice to be alive (sort of surprised) and very glad to see our lovers alive. Good job, doc(s).

Interesting that mandy kept going on about a watcher than a mafia watcher turns out dead.

FOS Mandalorian

100% agreed - just another fact against him in the grand scheme of things.

Hmm interesting. With the second kill being Davey Jones I wonder if that means he's the head of a second faction of mafia. I haven't been in a game with a mafia watcher before (at least that I remember), though i can see how it could be useful to mafia especially if there are other killers or factions out there. I had been mildly suspicious of what Mr. Squirrel though the case was weak.
Edoc yesterday you said you had a reason for your behavior that you were going to explain. I'll reserve my vote until I hear more about this.

I'm pretty sure that Davey Jones is non pro-town role. Since I really don't see him as a SK material, I can only guess that he's another from another faction.

Ah yes this. As you can guess from yesterdays actions I am not town. Claims are something that are required for me to win, more then that I really won't say. Fircoal threw out some other hints and I thought his claim was a fake. When the time is needed you will certainly have everything explained.

You're already my #2 suspect, so you may want to stop trying to drop hints and throw an actual bone, because if you're pro-town, you've done very well to convince that you're not it.

Well, I'll agree that Davy Jones is likely not town-aligned, but did Jones ever kill anyone in the movies? Why would he be a SK, then? He just appeared to people when they were dying to see if they wanted to join his crew or whatever. Bah, maybe I'm over-thinking, but I feel we shouldn't jump to conclusions. I mean, why would we have gotten insight into Norrington's killer, but not Barbosa's? And isn't it plausible that town would have a vigilante? I mean, come on, their pirates.

vote strike wolf - I still find him scummy from yesterday.

P.S. Sadface that Barbosa got killed. He was my favorite character in the movies.

Davey Jones as a town vig?.. Surely you're kidding?


Finally, coupled with all of the things that happened yesterday, Mandy already was my #1 suspect and now along with Mafia watcher, I'm almost completely sure that he's no friend of the town. Vote Mandy.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

edocsil(1)- Falkomagno
strike wolf(2)- PCM, Victor
Mandy(1)- Com9

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

[Streaker]

There's a lot of speculation going on, so I'll throw something in the group. Would it be likely Davy Jones is town? Hell no. Is he the main bad guy in the movie? Again, hell no. That would be Cutler Becket, as he even controlled Davy Jones in the third movie.

Davy Jones is most likely a Third Party recruiter. This IS speculation, but it would make sense if you have watched the movies. He pops up when people are gonna die, basicly recruiting them on his boat.
I have some other hunches on his role, but this is enough speculation for now.

To most people that saw the movies, it's common knowledge Davey Jones is not town. Yet there are several people trying to protect him.

Wrong on all accounts. I won't bother arguing for the ones against me because there really isn't much to say beyond bad move. I will however tear you a new one for the idiocy of the rest of your post. Fish face killed the scum watcher. That explicitly means he is anti town, as he has a kill and flavor tells us he is not a friend of the Pirates AT ALL. He is the MAIN BAD GUY in the movies. He is a SK at best. Due to the presence of a watcher he is almost certainly the leader of a anti town faction, due to the fact that a watcher is really only useful if there is a substantial anti town threat. Yes it is nice to help find the doc and the like, but it really isn't that important, they need to kill everyone anyway.

So here we have edoc telling us that Jones is exclicitly anti town for killing a mafia watcher, having a kill, and flavor. Really, flavor is the only legit reason for painting him anti-town. I don't see killing mafia is that anti-town...
Then you say Jones is the main bad guy. Why not think Becket is the main bad guy? That kind of information would only be available if you know Becket isn't in the game.
Going on explaining how a mafia watcher isn't a big deal, seemingly not worried about that role discovering town power roles. Hey, mafia has to kill everyone anyway...

If you add to that his confession of NOT being town, and his reluctance of explaining this, it's easy for me to Vote edocsil

[Victor Sullivan]

Well, I'll agree that Davy Jones is likely not town-aligned, but did Jones ever kill anyone in the movies? Why would he be a SK, then? He just appeared to people when they were dying to see if they wanted to join his crew or whatever. Bah, maybe I'm over-thinking, but I feel we shouldn't jump to conclusions. I mean, why would we have gotten insight into Norrington's killer, but not Barbosa's? And isn't it plausible that town would have a vigilante? I mean, come on, their pirates.

vote strike wolf - I still find him scummy from yesterday.

P.S. Sadface that Barbosa got killed. He was my favorite character in the movies.

Davey Jones as a town vig?.. Surely you're kidding?

That's not what I said at all. Read it again, dear

[mandalorian2298]

Nice to be alive (sort of surprised) and very glad to see our lovers alive. Good job, doc(s).

Interesting that mandy kept going on about a watcher than a mafia watcher turns out dead.

FOS Mandalorian

100% agreed - just another fact against him in the grand scheme of things.

If I understand this correctly, you two are accusing me of...jinxing Squirrel with all my talking about a Watcher? And you think that, putting aside for the moment the whole "the is no such thing as a jinx" issue, jinxing a member of the mafia would be a bad thing?

Speaking of Watcher, keep on your good work Watcher, as long as you are out there the Lovers are safe ).

Speaking of lovers, Nag, Commander, I think that your braincells would make a lovely couple.

[mandalorian2298]

In fact, while I would expect Commander to say something like that, Nag's FOS on me really falls into "throw it against the wall and see if it sticks" class of moves.


Vote Nagerus until he gives a credible explanation of his FOS against me.

[edocsil]

There's a lot of speculation going on, so I'll throw something in the group. Would it be likely Davy Jones is town? Hell no. Is he the main bad guy in the movie? Again, hell no. That would be Cutler Becket, as he even controlled Davy Jones in the third movie.

Davy Jones is most likely a Third Party recruiter. This IS speculation, but it would make sense if you have watched the movies. He pops up when people are gonna die, basicly recruiting them on his boat.
I have some other hunches on his role, but this is enough speculation for now.

To most people that saw the movies, it's common knowledge Davey Jones is not town. Yet there are several people trying to protect him.

Wrong on all accounts. I won't bother arguing for the ones against me because there really isn't much to say beyond bad move. I will however tear you a new one for the idiocy of the rest of your post. Fish face killed the scum watcher. That explicitly means he is anti town, as he has a kill and flavor tells us he is not a friend of the Pirates AT ALL. He is the MAIN BAD GUY in the movies. He is a SK at best. Due to the presence of a watcher he is almost certainly the leader of a anti town faction, due to the fact that a watcher is really only useful if there is a substantial anti town threat. Yes it is nice to help find the doc and the like, but it really isn't that important, they need to kill everyone anyway.

So here we have edoc telling us that Jones is exclicitly anti town for killing a mafia watcher, having a kill, and flavor. Really, flavor is the only legit reason for painting him anti-town. I don't see killing mafia is that anti-town...
Then you say Jones is the main bad guy. Why not think Becket is the main bad guy? That kind of information would only be available if you know Becket isn't in the game.
Going on explaining how a mafia watcher isn't a big deal, seemingly not worried about that role discovering town power roles. Hey, mafia has to kill everyone anyway...

If you add to that his confession of NOT being town, and his reluctance of explaining this, it's easy for me to Vote edocsil

What do people not get here? Kill and not town = bad for town?? There was no indication that Squirrel was scum at all, it looks like it was just a typical N1 pot shot into the dark. As I said for the watcher role, sure its powerful, but hey at least it isn't a killing mafia role, it is also something I have NEVER seen without some substantial non town threat to the mafia.

[strike wolf]

First of all, that's a big conjecture to make about mandy with the whole mentioning a watcher meaning he knew there was a mafia watcher. First of all assuming mandy's scum (which I believe there is a good chance of) would he even know his scummates' roles? My general experience as mafia has been that the mod doesn't tell you anything about your fellow scumbuddies beyond their identities. So unless mandy was able to communicate during the day with his scumbuddies or safari has switched up how he runs the mafia in his games, then nag's assessment doesn't really hold much weight.

Secondly to the people aiming at me, I hear you talking but unless someone brings up something new or specifically mentions what's still bothering them beyond squirrel "distancing himself" from me (he is not me, I can't explain his actions nor will I make attempts to do so), I am not going to be bothered to address them.

Third I have a high distrust of mandy, it seemed to me he was trying to play the infallible townie card yesterday challenging lynches of people not associated with him that he knew would probably turn town. He was against the falko lynch but made no real effort to stop it and he initially showed scorn for the fircoal lynch but again made no real effort to stop it instead stating he would "wash his hands" of day 1. I also had my suspicions of streaker in relation to how yesterday ended but I would need to go back over his posts again before I could currently state anything solid.

Finally I am not sure I believe edoc or not. His behavior is different than any time I've seen him in the past and the reasons given are very vague beyond stating he is not town aligned. Usually id have no hesitance about questioning an admittedly non-town role where specifics are hazy however I feel questioning him at the present time will likeely not prove fruitful so I will let it rest momentarily.

[TheSaxlad]

Finally I am not sure I believe edoc or not. His behavior is different than any time I've seen him in the past and the reasons given are very vague beyond stating he is not town aligned. Usually id have no hesitance about questioning an admittedly non-town role where specifics are hazy however I feel questioning him at the present time will likeely not prove fruitful so I will let it rest momentarily.

Sorry, that has got my vote completely, letting it rest? Thats a great way to take the pressure off edoc, I don't think he'll answer so I won't even bother. Anyway wasn't that what you were calling Mandy out for earlier in your post? It warrants a massive vote from me.

vote strike wolf

[strike wolf]

Not exactly. I was calling mandy out mostly for an unusual certainty about certain town roles on day 1. I figured he was trying to gain the town's trust by correctly pointing out people as not being scum when they weren't in his faction. I would agree that I do not like taking the pressure off of edoc but at this point I'm thinking it would be a distraction from bigger fish.

[Falkomagno]

I was thinking in another possibility. Maybe Davy Jones target me or my lover, but a bus driver save us ( a bus driver swap characters for night actions).

And I have a shame confession to make...I didn't watch any of the movies

[Streaker]

I was thinking in another possibility. Maybe Davy Jones target me or my lover, but a bus driver save us ( a bus driver swap characters for night actions).

And I have a shame confession to make...I didn't watch any of the movies

You Sir, should be hung just for that. Now go watch those movies!

[strike wolf]

I was thinking in another possibility. Maybe Davy Jones target me or my lover, but a bus driver save us ( a bus driver swap characters for night actions).

And I have a shame confession to make...I didn't watch any of the movies

It's possible though to switch either of you with Mr. Squirrel seems odd. No one really questioned him as a legitimate suspect. I barely had any suspicions about him and while I suppose someone may have been more suspicious of him but I do not remember anyone questioning his logic. So either the busdriver just picked a random person to be switched with you or the other lover (If this is the case I would advise the bus driver against doing it again, try to switch the player you want to protect with someone you feel is scummy), they were hiding their suspicions of Squirrel, or Davey Jones targeted Squirrel somewhat randomly. The last option seems more likely to me.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Davey Jones has some sort of recruitment mechanic, the "Do you fear death" part is pretty much his catchphrase for that sort of thing, plausibly he can only persuade some members to join him, after all safari hinted at some unique goals and win conditions in this game, and the scene was pretty much canonically correct, I would look out for plenty of double dealing going on just as in the movie, perhaps his heart can be taken by certain characters or something?
I wouldn't be surprised it mr.squirrel had an alternate way to win too, but there's no way to know for sure now.

By the way, falko, did the mod tell you anything about looking for your dad or something in your role? You don't have to answer if you don't want to, but it might confirm whether or not Davey has a pre-existing crew.

need to reread before casting a vote, by the way, I may be absent for a couple of days.

[Commander9]

That's not what I said at all. Read it again, dear

Mi scusi - I've interpreted that a bit differently.

If I understand this correctly, you two are accusing me of...jinxing Squirrel with all my talking about a Watcher? And you think that, putting aside for the moment the whole "the is no such thing as a jinx" issue, jinxing a member of the mafia would be a bad thing?

Speaking of Watcher, keep on your good work Watcher, as long as you are out there the Lovers are safe ).

Speaking of lovers, Nag, Commander, I think that your braincells would make a lovely couple.

How's that jinxing? No, you had a mafia watcher at your disposable and you were ready to use it... but it backfired.

Ah, since you can't answer anything of what happened before or this, you decide to try to insult our intelligence. Really nice - you Sir are truly a great player When was the last time you've looked in the mirror?

In fact, while I would expect Commander to say something like that, Nag's FOS on me really falls into "throw it against the wall and see if it sticks" class of moves.


Vote Nagerus until he gives a credible explanation of his FOS against me.

Ah, afraid that more people are on to you?

First of all, that's a big conjecture to make about mandy with the whole mentioning a watcher meaning he knew there was a mafia watcher. First of all assuming mandy's scum (which I believe there is a good chance of) would he even know his scummates' roles? My general experience as mafia has been that the mod doesn't tell you anything about your fellow scumbuddies beyond their identities. So unless mandy was able to communicate during the day with his scumbuddies or safari has switched up how he runs the mafia in his games, then nag's assessment doesn't really hold much weight.

Yes. The game that I've modded, mafia knew each other and their roles. From all of the games I've played, almost all of them had the scumbuddies and their exact roles.

[strike wolf]

Sorry, I really hate to undermine an argument about a guy who I agree is suspicious but I've been mafia (or at least started the game as such) 4+ times now. In each game the mod himself never told me the role of my fellow scum buddies, I knew their alignment but they could have been a usurper, a mafia cop, goon, etc., and I have been mafia in a safariguy hosted game before. So unless someone is able to disprove that as not being the case in other safari games that part of the argument appears inaccurate.