A Cino Filled Mafia (2/27) *Game Over*

[DoomYoshi]

I rarely read scenes also. My attention span is pretty long.

[The Weird One]

Point 1: Walls make it harder for town, since they have more to read. They increase skimming, even for players who are fairly careful, since the more that you have to remember, the harder it is to remember.

They can also aid town by providing basic synopses of what has happened thus far [see my earlier wall]. This makes it easier for the skimmers to catch up on things. Walls are also sometimes the best option when it comes to a lot of information that one feels should be presented. They can be used either way. Some people just like to be thorough.

[Talapus]

You do know Batman happened like 5 years ago?

Considering I have been one of the youngest mafia players (At least one of the youngest main mafia players) for a long while, those 5 years mean a lot!

(Also I don't like reading long things that don't have case relevance.)

It's been a liong time since I've palyed a major game with you. Just through out an example I could think of. And after reading my role 5 years hasn't helped you grow that much

[Fircoal]

You do know Batman happened like 5 years ago?

Considering I have been one of the youngest mafia players (At least one of the youngest main mafia players) for a long while, those 5 years mean a lot!

(Also I don't like reading long things that don't have case relevance.)

It's been a liong time since I've palyed a major game with you. Just through out an example I could think of. And after reading my role 5 years hasn't helped you grow that much

I never said I grew A LOT. Just that 5 years are important x3

[Talapus]

I never said I grew A LOT. Just that 5 years are important x3

Yes, in that amount of time you became better than NES....LOL. God rest his soul wherever he is.

[Fircoal]

I never said I grew A LOT. Just that 5 years are important x3

Yes, in that amount of time you became better than NES....LOL. God rest his soul wherever he is.

Excuse me? I was already better than NES.

[Talapus]

I never said I grew A LOT. Just that 5 years are important x3

Yes, in that amount of time you became better than NES....LOL. God rest his soul wherever he is.

Excuse me? I was already better than NES.

You have your moments

[Talapus]

Weird this got buired in quoted text...just noticed. here it is again.

this is dumb. Vig can be RB'ed, Com9 can be doctored, there is probably a Lightning Rod, busdriver and everyone else. You probably want someone to kill him tonight because you are mafia and then you can busdrive the kill to a target of your choice.

Personally I think a lynch on Com9 is a waste of a lynch. So we will have to agree to disagree. As for the second half opinion I addressed that too in an earlier post probably even on the same page you got the quote. Which means you skimmed again and missed it. I said it would be stupid for mafia or town busdriver to switch com9's role as if he is third party then he could go nuts and the faction that busdrove him could technically lose this game for their side. So ya Doom, thanks again for skimming.

[The Weird One]

Can I just throw out a polite request here? [yes, I'm just as guilty as everyone else when it comes to these accusations]:

For right now, at least, can we just accept that everyone is skimming to some extent. When it gets down to the only players who are posting anything just pointing at each other and saying how much each of us is skimming, we aren't making any progress. Whether or not the accusations hold water I'm not bringing up. All I'm saying is that the accusations are just bogging down the miniscule handful of actives.

Or I could just be dead wrong.

[DoomYoshi]

Weird this got buired in quoted text...just noticed. here it is again.

this is dumb. Vig can be RB'ed, Com9 can be doctored, there is probably a Lightning Rod, busdriver and everyone else. You probably want someone to kill him tonight because you are mafia and then you can busdrive the kill to a target of your choice.

Personally I think a lynch on Com9 is a waste of a lynch. So we will have to agree to disagree. As for the second half opinion I addressed that too in an earlier post probably even on the same page you got the quote. Which means you skimmed again and missed it. I said it would be stupid for mafia or town busdriver to switch com9's role as if he is third party then he could go nuts and the faction that busdrove him could technically lose this game for their side. So ya Doom, thanks again for skimming.

Wasn't quite skimming, I just hadn't gotten further down yet. I reply to posts as I come to them. That's why I raised the same points that Minister Masket already raised.

[Talapus]

Where are James and Neb at? They are two I want to hear from some more. Well them and half the other players but them mainly for their comments.

[Commander9]

Fair enough, and I'm certainly not sure his death is surefire. I am almost certain however that is win condiotion or extra power role or whyever the hell it is Com9 dropped such obvious "tells" is dictated by his or Fircoal's lynch. More over I think some of the other posts from a few players is seriously lacking anything the rest of us should have to deal with just because they are lazy or indifferent. Should Com9 turn up scum and the evil eye of suspicion turn my way it's fine with me. I would just rather see us persue a lynch that doesn't completely screw us as I think Com9's might. Off him in the night, lynch someone tonight and we have twice the data to analyse tomorrow.

*sigh*

All of my first posts were obviously jokes - I think you know me well enough that with my experience, I wouldn't go out like that just to get myself unless there was a very good reason. So, no, I'm not a jester/mafia/cult or anything else - I am a townie with specific... "conditions." There was nothing more in PM but the assumption that something happens if Fir gets lynched is absolute WIFOM. What's even funnier that I have some other information, but apparently I can't share it which would make things make much more sense. *shakes fist*

I've never given up (as some here assumed) - I just don't have as much time and access to post through the weekends (as evidenced by my missed turns in a clan war game) and secondly, I'm just absolutely distraught by the level of play most people have done here. Apart from roughly 3 people, everyone else shamefully bandwagoned and voted without anything reasonable or anything that even remotely makes sense.

Nope, but wish I did. I'm doing that in hopes that the person with the roll will realize to off Com9. The fact that there is rampant skimming is this game and certain people say don't even read long posts makes me velive I can't hide the fact that we should kill Com9. I'm just posting that way so gob forbid that power roll goes to a skimmer they will still know what they must do.

Do you mind explain specifically *WHY* I need to be killed? I'd love to know.

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town. I realize the mafiascum meta isn't the same as the meta here, but you can get off your high horse about long posts. The longer your post, the more likely it is to contain falsehoods, because mafia is a game of imperfect information.

vote Talapus

Not necessarily true. It depends on the player and his style. Personally, I tend to make long posts whatever my alignment is as that allows me to pursue my specific playstyle (aggressive strategy against people I deem to be on the other side) - and that is evidenced by my win rate as town. I think same is true for Strike Wolf, Spiesr and some others.

Then there are people like Sully who tend to scummarine unless they get a super good role which then makes them to post more. This one would be true.

Lastly, there are people like Mandy - their play style is quite similar to the 1st one (the one I use) except they specifically aim to take the lead and roll the town to it's demise (if they're mafia) or sometimes salvation (if they're town).

I've not played enough with Talapus, but I'd say he's in the 3rd category.

FINALLY:

You, on the other hand, are forgetting that as soon as you dispassionately place yourselves among those whom you are willing to send to certain death, you take another step toward strategic wisdom; for the only thing that I cannot replace is - victory.

This statement is false as I have indeed placed myself in the strategic whirlpool that allowed me to evaluate everything correctly - as an art. "Learn about art, Captain. When you understand a species' [Players] art, you understand that species [Those players]."

Tl;dr:

If you will skim this whole post, at least read the italicized part.

[sheepofdumb]

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town. I realize the mafiascum meta isn't the same as the meta here, but you can get off your high horse about long posts. The longer your post, the more likely it is to contain falsehoods, because mafia is a game of imperfect information.

I think the problem with long posts and cases is poor formatting. It's hard to keep track of all the information a mafia game throws at you. I'll admit that half the time I forget what people are talking about in the first place.

One paragraph gets a three paragraph response which receives a six paragraph response and before you know it no one knows what's going on and someone gets lynched.

However, with some better formatting I think it's a little easier to keep track of things.

I think long posts are annoying sometimes but I don't think they are anti-town. Unvote Vote Doom

[rishaed]

I will FOS Doom He has effectively derailed the train needed to bring pressure on a couple of people, specifically Neb a/o James to a lesser extent. I still want a claim at least from Neb/ or someone scummy. As for long posts, I would rather have long posts because they usually generate information, and they are easier (if you go back and compare them) to catch someone in a lie. See Edoc in Best of 2012 Mafia. Short posts don't give me the desired information, and also don't give any details or breadcrumbs in a post. Which admittedly I'm not exactly the best at picking up sometimes without foreknowledge of the information. If I had to guess, Doom might be scum aligned, because he used a similar strategy in Bo2012, but that's META and not hard evidence.
And yes I also agree with sheep that better formatting/ distinguishing of main points would help in long posts.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I think rish brings up a pretty good point. With Talapus' post re: Neb and James, Doom has increasingly turned to an attack on Talapus and claiming that long posts are anti-town. It's smells awfully defensive.

-Tails

[Minister Masket]

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town.

LOLWUT?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22437

This is two seperate points.

The main point is that wall posts are anti-town and a majority of players agree with that. The logical extension is that cases themselves are anti-town.

Oh gosh mafia scum.

I think anyone who knows me play style well enough will figure that I don't agree at all. However I think that is for another place as it is my personal opinion and has nothing to do with this game.

Too bad. This is now a duel.

Yugi approives.
I mayt be drunk. Sorry

[Skoffin]

Fair enough then. The mafia games I'm used to playing online are much quicker and interactive, not done via a forum. Plus, if they're inactive, they're kicked after a day or night, depending when they became inactive. That's a very short summary.

You don't happen to play epicmafia, do you?

I expect Skoffin to skim as we have all come to expect it, I kn...

Except I didn't skim, thank you You can say that I misinterpreted, twisted your words or made wildly inaccurate assumptions about your posts; but to claim I am skimming is absolute bollocks. Call me out on things I'm actually doing, but I'm not taking shit that is false. I don't know whether you are having a bad day or got dickish over the years and I can see why parts of this game are frustrating, but you seem to be calling out every other player in this game beside you as being completely useless and not as enlightened as you are. Respectfully: Calm yo shit, sir.
Though, I do concur with the notion that players need to either be willing to read all posts to the full or get their arse out of the game.

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town. I realize the mafiascum meta isn't the same as the meta here, but you can get off your high horse about long posts. The longer your post, the more likely it is to contain falsehoods, because mafia is a game of imperfect information.

vote Talapus

Wtf good sir? XD That is utter tripe and such ridiculous notions should be kept to Mafiascum; I've not been around for quite some time so maybe things have changed around here, but this site always had far better and interesting players than that site ever did. There are those interested in a good game, and those who just want to go through the motions and go from one game to the next. If you want the latter, go to MS it seems.

Though Neb and James have made some daft posts that make them look scummy, to me they look like nubs making goofs more than anything. At least, that is how I view them for now. However I expect better from Doom; whether scum or just holding onto daft views, I can't really say just yet. After he's dug himself into a deeper hole it might become clearer which way that goes.

I still do not trust Comm, so for the love of god someone shoot him in the night. Should he make it through the night then that is a discussion we should have tomorrow.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Okay, I just read through 4 pages of posts and have a few observations:

1. Yes, my vote was for less than good reasons. However, please note that all the votes did get Comm to post a serious message. Up to that point, all he was doing was talking about voting Fircoal. Yes, I was annoyed, and yes that is why I voted. My vote (and others) got results. I wasn't necessarily looking to lynch Comm, just get his serious posts. So to get my vote off of Comm Vote Chuck Norris.
2. Talapus....

Respectfully: Calm yo shit, sir.

I echo Skoffin's sentiment here...you don't need to be posting every other message. You can either be (1)short and concise or (2)rambling and dominant with overly long-winded pointless posts. You, sir are #2. I do not skim, however, how do you expect me to remember all that crap you put in your posts. You know what your posts tell me? You think everyone is a skimmer. That's all I get. Nice work. Be sure to post more.
3. Doomyoshi - You are more my style. You type what you think with no filter at all. I sometimes wonder how you stay alive in these games ...but I do agree that Talapus is flooding us with walls of text.
4. Talapus...again...his posts were so long, I forgot a point. Quit directing town on what they should do tonight. I can't wait until Comm lives through the night and you rain down another tirade of insults on us.
5. 27 players! It's a little overwhelming. Especially when the conversation is dominated by a few players. Please be mindful of this and allow some time for other players to post.

That's all from me. Please do not expect 10 posts a day from me. 1 post. Per day.

PS - if you can't tell, I'm leaning Talapus for a vote. However, I will settle down and see how I feel after another day.

[Talapus]

I expect Skoffin to skim as we have all come to expect it, I kn...

Except I didn't skim, thank you You can say that I misinterpreted, twisted your words or made wildly inaccurate assumptions about your posts; but to claim I am skimming is absolute bollocks. Call me out on things I'm actually doing, but I'm not taking shit that is false. I don't know whether you are having a bad day or got dickish over the years and I can see why parts of this game are frustrating, but you seem to be calling out every other player in this game beside you as being completely useless and not as enlightened as you are. Respectfully: Calm yo shit, sir.
Though, I do concur with the notion that players need to either be willing to read all posts to the full or get their arse out of the game.

WHOA So angry, Good thing I didn't actually accuse you of skimming. Had you took a deep breath and not gone on a tirade you'd realize that. So I will "Call you out on things you are doing" and point out in your last two repsonses to my posts you "Misinterpreted" each. Why go off on a personal attack and be completely over defensive for something I never said is beyond me. But just assuming it is you who is haveing the bad day. It will get better.

[Commander9]

Fair enough, and I'm certainly not sure his death is surefire. I am almost certain however that is win condiotion or extra power role or whyever the hell it is Com9 dropped such obvious "tells" is dictated by his or Fircoal's lynch. More over I think some of the other posts from a few players is seriously lacking anything the rest of us should have to deal with just because they are lazy or indifferent. Should Com9 turn up scum and the evil eye of suspicion turn my way it's fine with me. I would just rather see us persue a lynch that doesn't completely screw us as I think Com9's might. Off him in the night, lynch someone tonight and we have twice the data to analyse tomorrow.

*sigh*

All of my first posts were obviously jokes - I think you know me well enough that with my experience, I wouldn't go out like that just to get myself unless there was a very good reason. So, no, I'm not a jester/mafia/cult or anything else - I am a townie with specific... "conditions." There was nothing more in PM but the assumption that something happens if Fir gets lynched is absolute WIFOM. What's even funnier that I have some other information, but apparently I can't share it which would make things make much more sense. *shakes fist*

I've never given up (as some here assumed) - I just don't have as much time and access to post through the weekends (as evidenced by my missed turns in a clan war game) and secondly, I'm just absolutely distraught by the level of play most people have done here. Apart from roughly 3 people, everyone else shamefully bandwagoned and voted without anything reasonable or anything that even remotely makes sense.

Nope, but wish I did. I'm doing that in hopes that the person with the roll will realize to off Com9. The fact that there is rampant skimming is this game and certain people say don't even read long posts makes me velive I can't hide the fact that we should kill Com9. I'm just posting that way so gob forbid that power roll goes to a skimmer they will still know what they must do.

Do you mind explain specifically *WHY* I need to be killed? I'd love to know.

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town. I realize the mafiascum meta isn't the same as the meta here, but you can get off your high horse about long posts. The longer your post, the more likely it is to contain falsehoods, because mafia is a game of imperfect information.

vote Talapus

Not necessarily true. It depends on the player and his style. Personally, I tend to make long posts whatever my alignment is as that allows me to pursue my specific playstyle (aggressive strategy against people I deem to be on the other side) - and that is evidenced by my win rate as town. I think same is true for Strike Wolf, Spiesr and some others.

Then there are people like Sully who tend to scummarine unless they get a super good role which then makes them to post more. This one would be true.

Lastly, there are people like Mandy - their play style is quite similar to the 1st one (the one I use) except they specifically aim to take the lead and roll the town to it's demise (if they're mafia) or sometimes salvation (if they're town).

I've not played enough with Talapus, but I'd say he's in the 3rd category.

FINALLY:

You, on the other hand, are forgetting that as soon as you dispassionately place yourselves among those whom you are willing to send to certain death, you take another step toward strategic wisdom; for the only thing that I cannot replace is - victory.

This statement is false as I have indeed placed myself in the strategic whirlpool that allowed me to evaluate everything correctly - as an art. "Learn about art, Captain. When you understand a species' [Players] art, you understand that species [Those players]."

Tl;dr:

If you will skim this whole post, at least read the italicized part.

EBWOP: Forgot to say that WE have to lynch Fircoal.

@ Neb

More skimming. I've posted plenty of good posts before, you just skimmed.

[Talapus]

Okay, I just read through 4 pages of posts and have a few observations:

1. Yes, my vote was for less than good reasons. However, please note that all the votes did get Comm to post a serious message. Up to that point, all he was doing was talking about voting Fircoal. Yes, I was annoyed, and yes that is why I voted. My vote (and others) got results. I wasn't necessarily looking to lynch Comm, just get his serious posts. So to get my vote off of Comm Vote Chuck Norris.
2. Talapus....

Respectfully: Calm yo shit, sir.

I echo Skoffin's sentiment here...you don't need to be posting every other message. You can either be (1)short and concise or (2)rambling and dominant with overly long-winded pointless posts. You, sir are #2. I do not skim, however, how do you expect me to remember all that crap you put in your posts. You know what your posts tell me? You think everyone is a skimmer. That's all I get. Nice work. Be sure to post more.
3. Doomyoshi - You are more my style. You type what you think with no filter at all. I sometimes wonder how you stay alive in these games ...but I do agree that Talapus is flooding us with walls of text.
4. Talapus...again...his posts were so long, I forgot a point. Quit directing town on what they should do tonight. I can't wait until Comm lives through the night and you rain down another tirade of insults on us.
5. 27 players! It's a little overwhelming. Especially when the conversation is dominated by a few players. Please be mindful of this and allow some time for other players to post.

That's all from me. Please do not expect 10 posts a day from me. 1 post. Per day.

PS - if you can't tell, I'm leaning Talapus for a vote. However, I will settle down and see how I feel after another day.

Remarkable, you claim that your post and vote helped get results and Com9 to talk. Yet I do the same and and people are in here talking and discussing about me which would be results as well. However your's is better how exactly? Because that's exactly what it sounds like you are inferring. Never is it a good idea to vote someone because you are annoyed. Not impressed by that answer at all as you haven't even stated if it plans to be a trend. So for now you may keep my vote.

[Fircoal]

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town. I realize the mafiascum meta isn't the same as the meta here, but you can get off your high horse about long posts. The longer your post, the more likely it is to contain falsehoods, because mafia is a game of imperfect information.

vote Talapus

[color=#FF0000] Wtf good sir? XD That is utter tripe and such ridiculous notions should be kept to Mafiascum; I've not been around for quite some time so maybe things have changed around here, but this site always had far better and interesting players than that site ever did. There are those interested in a good game, and those who just want to go through the motions and go from one game to the next. If you want the latter, go to MS it seems.

QFT

Mafiascum sucks.

[The Weird One]

That's all from me. Please do not expect 10 posts a day from me. 1 post. Per day.

We were not asking more than that, good sir. The complaints of inactivity were more directed at the vast quantity of people who are posting less than that...that being said, it would be nice if everybody had as little of a social life as I and were able to post this much.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Remarkable, you claim that your post and vote helped get results and Com9 to talk. Yet I do the same and and people are in here talking and discussing about me which would be results as well. However your's is better how exactly? Because that's exactly what it sounds like you are inferring. Never is it a good idea to vote someone because you are annoyed. Not impressed by that answer at all as you haven't even stated if it plans to be a trend. So for now you may keep my vote.

1. You're the guy standing in the middle of the room screaming. Most of us are asking why are you are standing there screaming insults at us. You're just drawing attention.
2. If I was going to continue to vote on annoyance, I would have voted, don't you think? You have certainly garnered a vote based on that. However, I did not vote you...thus, it is NOT a trend.

[Talapus]

Do you mind explain specifically *WHY* I need to be killed? I'd love to know..

Because it was a far better option in my mind than having town lynch you. Yes I saw your newest post and yes I appreciate you willing to come out and talk more about it even though you can't say much more. But let's face facts Commander9, you're a damn good player when you want to be and certainly know how to play the game. I'd be an idiot if I trusted your claim blindly. I never thought you were a great lynch choice but if it came to killing you I'd rather off you in the night and keep you from getting an instant win condtion or power role based on a town lynch as it certainly sounded like that may be the case(Nothing personal ). But I found it odd how quickly you dropped the first hint in your post and then helped clear up what you could with more posts. So when the bandwagon was high and we get this post:

More misinformation and skipping. Again, there are specific things that I can list and how I can list them - I can't move away from it. I would love to share, alas, I can't. Since apparently the majority doesn't really care about who is lynched, let it be done. I'd have personally chosen to lynch Fircoal over me, but it doesn't matter.

Well, it was just a very defeatest attitude and that isn't like you. So makes me not trust you in this game really at all. Smart move if you are scum with a win condition because the fires were stoked and at there peak you sounded like you gave up which is really smart because people could have dropped the last 3 votes needed for a lynch and you wouldn't be around to defend yourself. So ya, still don't trust you...lol, but still also think a lynch is wasted on you.

On a side note when this is all over I will be very curious to see your role. Because if all this play style from you was intentional and it almost got you an instant win then I am truly impressed.I'll have to wait and see though now.