Sweeney Todd Mafia ~ Town Wins. Ready to be Archived

[ShaggyDan]

I explained why he showed up mafia in my last post. What do you think 'innocent mafia goon' is then? To me it sounds like someone who is with mafia but doesn't know they are with mafia, or someone who knows they're with mafia but can't participate in night meetings or know who the other mafia are.

Also he is seen as a miller basically because of his arrogance. There was another part to my role I left out, I'm also a 'Rival Barber' each night I can save someone from death, the idea being that I shave them instead of Todd. Even though Todd is dead it still works. N1 and N3 I saved Safariguy, N2 my save was random due to pies. Though with the lack of deaths on N2 and N3 I'm beggining to think it's possibly only Todd could kill. Though there is the chance my random overlapped and they targetted last night.

Also Saf I'm becoming increasingly concerned about your lack of cop reports:

- Day 2: Got a guilty on a Godfather. Normally this isn't possible.
- Day 3: No report.
- Day 4: No report.

From all the roles claimed there's no kind of roleblocker. Though again I guess there is the possibility of Lovett being able to stop you. But still how did you get a guilty on the godfather?

[ShaggyDan]

The middle paragraph should read: "targetted Saf last night".

[safariguy5]

Mr. Squirrel forgot to PM me, I investigated jonty, he's innocent.

So now I'm no longer a cop and jonty is confirmed.

Lynch the liar and let's chalk up a win for town.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Mrs. Lovett knew that she had to keep the shop in business. This poor boy needed her as much as she needed him. If Mr. Todd was no longer around to give her meat for her pies, then she would just have to go out and get it herself, she resolved. She would do anything, so long as she could provide for this boy.

Night 2 begins!

The citizens of London woke up the next morning satisfied with themselves. The killer barber had been dealt with and no one had died in the night. Although they were all very surprised that Mrs. Lovett's pie shoppe seemed to be low on inventory.

Morning 2 has been skipped.

Day 3 begins!

Now, given that, can someone explain to me why there was no NK?

[safariguy5]

Mrs. Lovett knew that she had to keep the shop in business. This poor boy needed her as much as she needed him. If Mr. Todd was no longer around to give her meat for her pies, then she would just have to go out and get it herself, she resolved. She would do anything, so long as she could provide for this boy.

Night 2 begins!

The citizens of London woke up the next morning satisfied with themselves. The killer barber had been dealt with and no one had died in the night. Although they were all very surprised that Mrs. Lovett's pie shoppe seemed to be low on inventory.

Morning 2 has been skipped.

Day 3 begins!

Now, given that, can someone explain to me why there was no NK?

Sweeney Todd was the only one who did the killing. Mafia might not still have the NK once Todd is dead.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Hmm, doesn't the first quote say that Lovett will do anything to get meat for her shop now? I thought that pretty clearly meant that she got the NK now.

Anyway, gonna wait a little bit to see what everyone else has to say.

[jonty125]

I investigated jonty, he's innocent.

I was trying to make that point all along

There was another part to my role I left out, I'm also a 'Rival Barber' each night I can save someone from death

A pro-town miller doc? Does sound unreasonable to anyone else?

vote ShaggyDan

[ShaggyDan]

I think it sounds pretty reasonable while there is no other explanation for the lack of night kills.

It's fairly likely mafia would have tried to kill the last 2 nights if possible.

If anyone else is a protective role and was hiding now would be the time to come out. The odds of a potentially 4 person mafia in an 11 person game just screams imbalance (especially with a nerf'd investigative role and a miller doc) so I think I can safely assume there's only one mafia left. If anyone else can explain the lack of night kills (through their actions) it would be a simple case of lynch me first, when I come up as Pirelli then go after the person who tried to CC me. Until then; I am offering an explanation.

[safariguy5]

I think it sounds pretty reasonable while there is no other explanation for the lack of night kills.

It's fairly likely mafia would have tried to kill the last 2 nights if possible.

If anyone else is a protective role and was hiding now would be the time to come out. The odds of a potentially 4 person mafia in an 11 person game just screams imbalance (especially with a nerf'd investigative role and a miller doc) so I think I can safely assume there's only one mafia left. If anyone else can explain the lack of night kills (through their actions) it would be a simple case of lynch me first, when I come up as Pirelli then go after the person who tried to CC me. Until then; I am offering an explanation.

Everyone in the game has claimed, no protective roles (unless one of the lovers is hiding something) and even if there was one, odds are that the protector role wouldn't have been able to guess right twice unless the mafia went after me twice. I personally think the lovers is a much more enticing target as it reduces town voting power faster.

As it is though, here's who I have as town and not in my book.

Confirmed Town
safari (me)- Hated investigator, lost cop powers investigating Jonty
jonty- VT

Probably Town
naxus- lover
Com9- lover
Haggis- VT

Possible Scum
Shaggy- Claimed miller
VioIet- Claimed VT

Shaggy's got my vote because

1. The role doesn't fit the flavor- Pirelli was perfectly willing to blackmail Todd, using the Judge as leverage. Doesn't make him suspicious to the judge, so the Miller claim is not really accurate.

2. Continued skepticism at my role- I found the Godfather, led the lynch on a goon, and you still seem to think I'm not the judge? Looks to me like a scum tactic trying to discredit the cop.

3. Collusion with Saxlad- Was the main person trying to cover Saxlad's story by using Pirelli to semiclear him. Sax's claim was that he was town unless Pirelli died in which case he would turn mafia. When we lynched him, Sax turned up mafia already, which makes Sax lying and Shaggy looking like he was trying to clear a mafia member.

More than enough evidence for me to vote Shaggy and I'm pretty sure that he's Lovett.

[Commander9]

Mostly agree with what Safari has said. The only thing that is holding me off from voting him yet was the name of Toby's role, which could basically say 2 things:

1) Comes up as town during the investigation.

2) Doesn't know that he's mafia.

If it's the 1st scenario, that means he's definitely scum. If it's the 2nd one, it's possible that Sax didn't know that Pirelli = Mrs. Lovett or that Pirelli could actually be Pirelli. All in all, I guess Shaggy is worth a shot, although I'm not thoroughly convinced that he is Mrs. Lovett.

[ShaggyDan]

Everyone in the game has claimed, no protective roles (unless one of the lovers is hiding something) and even if there was one, odds are that the protector role wouldn't have been able to guess right twice unless the mafia went after me twice. I personally think the lovers is a much more enticing target as it reduces town voting power faster.

I know my role sounds suspicious but it's what I was given. We do have 2 myslynches I think (assuming there's one mafia left), and with lovers, a cop and a reported innocent; we have it narrowed down to 3 possible suspects. Vio, Haggis and Myself.

Also as far as me trying to discredit you as cop; you have to admit that getting a guilty result on a godfather is suspicious. As well as you somehow have a report today but don't have a report for yesterday, if there was anyway for you to be blocked surely the maf would have done it again today. That said I don't think you would have led a lynch on the other 2 maf. Despite what I think about Saf being cop I think Jonty is definitely confirmed. I think there's only 1 mafia left, so if Saf is cop then Jonty is cleared, if Saf is lieing then Jonty is cleared by elimination. Looking at how you've been playing I believe you are really Turpin... but I'm slightly confused about some of the situations that have come out of it.

I don't think there's anything else I can say in my defence. I am going to re-read specifically on Violet and Haggis. I encourage others to do the same and get them to talk about stuff today before we lynch me (if we decide to).

I'm claiming miller doc, if I really am mafia then look at how nerf'd town was. The only power roles they had were a hated cop, a roleblocker and a watcher (potentially). I've offered a plausible explanation for the lack of night kills where no-one else has. Other than that I have nothing, except for I believe that Toby's role was as claimed.

Just looking at how the game can play out as far as myslynches:

D4: 6 town - 1 mafia. Myslynch me.
N4: 5 town - 1 mafia. Mafia hit lovers.
D5: 3 town - 1 mafia. No-lynch to get to lylo.
N5: 3 town - 1 mafia. Mafia hit town.
D6: 2 town - 1 mafia. Lynch someone.

So with 3 suspects and 2 lynches we're in kind of good shape I guess. The only way this isn't a good situation is if the lovers or Saf are lying.

Remember if there is 4 people alive and the lovers are still alive it's a lylo situation.

[safariguy5]

Everyone in the game has claimed, no protective roles (unless one of the lovers is hiding something) and even if there was one, odds are that the protector role wouldn't have been able to guess right twice unless the mafia went after me twice. I personally think the lovers is a much more enticing target as it reduces town voting power faster.

I know my role sounds suspicious but it's what I was given. We do have 2 myslynches I think (assuming there's one mafia left), and with lovers, a cop and a reported innocent; we have it narrowed down to 3 possible suspects. Vio, Haggis and Myself.

Also as far as me trying to discredit you as cop; you have to admit that getting a guilty result on a godfather is suspicious. As well as you somehow have a report today but don't have a report for yesterday, if there was anyway for you to be blocked surely the maf would have done it again today. That said I don't think you would have led a lynch on the other 2 maf. Despite what I think about Saf being cop I think Jonty is definitely confirmed. I think there's only 1 mafia left, so if Saf is cop then Jonty is cleared, if Saf is lieing then Jonty is cleared by elimination. Looking at how you've been playing I believe you are really Turpin... but I'm slightly confused about some of the situations that have come out of it.

I don't think there's anything else I can say in my defence. I am going to re-read specifically on Violet and Haggis. I encourage others to do the same and get them to talk about stuff today before we lynch me (if we decide to).

I'm claiming miller doc, if I really am mafia then look at how nerf'd town was. The only power roles they had were a hated cop, a roleblocker and a watcher (potentially). I've offered a plausible explanation for the lack of night kills where no-one else has. Other than that I have nothing, except for I believe that Toby's role was as claimed.

Just looking at how the game can play out as far as myslynches:

D4: 6 town - 1 mafia. Myslynch me.
N4: 5 town - 1 mafia. Mafia hit lovers.
D5: 3 town - 1 mafia. No-lynch to get to lylo.
N5: 3 town - 1 mafia. Mafia hit town.
D6: 2 town - 1 mafia. Lynch someone.

So with 3 suspects and 2 lynches we're in kind of good shape I guess. The only way this isn't a good situation is if the lovers or Saf are lying.

Remember if there is 4 people alive and the lovers are still alive it's a lylo situation.

No kills the last two nights suggest strongly to me that we can take our time with the lynches. And you're now changing your original straight miller claim to miller and doc claim. You just seem to be digging a bigger hole for yourself as I can add LaL's to your case now.

[Commander9]

I know my role sounds suspicious but it's what I was given. We do have 2 myslynches I think (assuming there's one mafia left), and with lovers, a cop and a reported innocent; we have it narrowed down to 3 possible suspects. Vio, Haggis and Myself.

Also as far as me trying to discredit you as cop; you have to admit that getting a guilty result on a godfather is suspicious. As well as you somehow have a report today but don't have a report for yesterday, if there was anyway for you to be blocked surely the maf would have done it again today. That said I don't think you would have led a lynch on the other 2 maf. Despite what I think about Saf being cop I think Jonty is definitely confirmed. I think there's only 1 mafia left, so if Saf is cop then Jonty is cleared, if Saf is lieing then Jonty is cleared by elimination. Looking at how you've been playing I believe you are really Turpin... but I'm slightly confused about some of the situations that have come out of it.

I don't think there's anything else I can say in my defence. I am going to re-read specifically on Violet and Haggis. I encourage others to do the same and get them to talk about stuff today before we lynch me (if we decide to).

I'm claiming miller doc, if I really am mafia then look at how nerf'd town was. The only power roles they had were a hated cop, a roleblocker and a watcher (potentially). I've offered a plausible explanation for the lack of night kills where no-one else has. Other than that I have nothing, except for I believe that Toby's role was as claimed.

Just looking at how the game can play out as far as myslynches:

D4: 6 town - 1 mafia. Myslynch me.
N4: 5 town - 1 mafia. Mafia hit lovers.
D5: 3 town - 1 mafia. No-lynch to get to lylo.
N5: 3 town - 1 mafia. Mafia hit town.
D6: 2 town - 1 mafia. Lynch someone.

So with 3 suspects and 2 lynches we're in kind of good shape I guess. The only way this isn't a good situation is if the lovers or Saf are lying.

Remember if there is 4 people alive and the lovers are still alive it's a lylo situation.

Cool story, bro.

Unvote. Vote Shaggy.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count

shaggy (3) - saf, jonty, c9

7 alive, 4 to lynch
deadline thursday

Cool story, bro.

Unvote. Vote Shaggy.

[VioIet]

Hmm, shaggy only needs one vote. I'm not convinced that he is scum yet, so i am going to hold off. I actually think he has been defending himself quite well, and someone here is trying to off him quickly.

I don't know the movie/book, so i don't even know who Pirelli is- so i cant really go off role flavor. I do find it strange that there have been no kills- i am pretty certain that mafia have a NK. I don't think the mod would do that. I'm sure they have been trying to kill saf- i think that is the most logical reason as to why there have been no kills. Also, if Shaggy is the doctor, why do we want to off him. I don't know if i have ever seen a mafia doctor role before.

[Commander9]

Hmm, shaggy only needs one vote. I'm not convinced that he is scum yet, so i am going to hold off. I actually think he has been defending himself quite well, and someone here is trying to off him quickly.

I don't know the movie/book, so i don't even know who Pirelli is- so i cant really go off role flavor. I do find it strange that there have been no kills- i am pretty certain that mafia have a NK. I don't think the mod would do that. I'm sure they have been trying to kill saf- i think that is the most logical reason as to why there have been no kills. Also, if Shaggy is the doctor, why do we want to off him. I don't know if i have ever seen a mafia doctor role before.

This post only makes me more suspicious of you... First of all, how has he defended well? I'd say his defence was pretty damn bad.

Pirelli doesn't work as a doctor... 2nd of all, he's not a doctor at all.

[safariguy5]

Hmm, shaggy only needs one vote. I'm not convinced that he is scum yet, so i am going to hold off. I actually think he has been defending himself quite well, and someone here is trying to off him quickly.

I don't know the movie/book, so i don't even know who Pirelli is- so i cant really go off role flavor. I do find it strange that there have been no kills- i am pretty certain that mafia have a NK. I don't think the mod would do that. I'm sure they have been trying to kill saf- i think that is the most logical reason as to why there have been no kills. Also, if Shaggy is the doctor, why do we want to off him. I don't know if i have ever seen a mafia doctor role before.

This post only makes me more suspicious of you... First of all, how has he defended well? I'd say his defence was pretty damn bad.

Pirelli doesn't work as a doctor... 2nd of all, he's not a doctor at all.

Yeah Vio, here's Shaggy's original claim.

Okay, I've thought about what I'm about to do and I think it works out the best for town.

I am Pirelli, Pro-town Miller.

Mafia is quite obviously from the scene Lovett + Todd. With the addition of a possible Toby. With the addition of me being a miller (I have tried to hint at this fact since the start of the game, sections of my post which were underlined were clues to me being a miller) means I had a higher chance of getting lynched, therefore a higher chance that Toby would turn.

The reasoning behind me claiming was that if I died at night, you would have no idea that Pirelli had died and Sax could play it off that he's still town. This way you have my allignment confirmed, and Sax's allignment confirmed (knowing when he will switch).

So if I die we know to lynch Sax. Other than that we have 3 remaining suspects; Violet, Haggis and Jonty. I suggest we lynch one, possibly vig shoot the other (if there is one), then lynch the final one tomorrow.

Assuming only 2 mafia to start at the moment it's 7:1 split. Even if we myslynch and I die it turns into a 4:2 split. Plus you'll have an easy lynch to follow on Sax turning it into a 3:1 split for MYLO. When we factor in cop investigations and such I think we're in pretty good shape.

Also; on a completely different note. Why did your investigation fail Saf? A town roleblocker is already dead, I doubt there'd be another. And I wouldn't imagine that there'd be a mafia roleblocker?

No where does he state that he's a doctor. Now today he turns around and says he's doctor as well as a miller. Nail in the coffin to me, lynch all liars.

[VioIet]

He said it right here commander.

I'm claiming miller doc, if I really am mafia then look at how nerf'd town was. The only power roles they had were a hated cop, a roleblocker and a watcher (potentially). I've offered a plausible explanation for the lack of night kills where no-one else has. Other than that I have nothing, except for I believe that Toby's role was as claimed.

Just looking at how the game can play out as far as myslynches:

D4: 6 town - 1 mafia. Myslynch me.
N4: 5 town - 1 mafia. Mafia hit lovers.
D5: 3 town - 1 mafia. No-lynch to get to lylo.
N5: 3 town - 1 mafia. Mafia hit town.
D6: 2 town - 1 mafia. Lynch someone.

So with 3 suspects and 2 lynches we're in kind of good shape I guess. The only way this isn't a good situation is if the lovers or Saf are lying.

Remember if there is 4 people alive and the lovers are still alive it's a lylo situation.

He stated that he didn't want to mention the Rival Barber during his initial claim. Miller or not, if he is a doctor, I see no good reason to lynch him. He has probably been the reason why the mafia have no kills.

[Commander9]

He said it right here commander.

I'm claiming miller doc, if I really am mafia then look at how nerf'd town was. The only power roles they had were a hated cop, a roleblocker and a watcher (potentially). I've offered a plausible explanation for the lack of night kills where no-one else has. Other than that I have nothing, except for I believe that Toby's role was as claimed.

Just looking at how the game can play out as far as myslynches:

D4: 6 town - 1 mafia. Myslynch me.
N4: 5 town - 1 mafia. Mafia hit lovers.
D5: 3 town - 1 mafia. No-lynch to get to lylo.
N5: 3 town - 1 mafia. Mafia hit town.
D6: 2 town - 1 mafia. Lynch someone.

So with 3 suspects and 2 lynches we're in kind of good shape I guess. The only way this isn't a good situation is if the lovers or Saf are lying.

Remember if there is 4 people alive and the lovers are still alive it's a lylo situation.

He stated that he didn't want to mention the Rival Barber during his initial claim. Miller or not, if he is a doctor, I see no good reason to lynch him. He has probably been the reason why the mafia have no kills.

Said what? He has been contradicting himself for a while and hasn't offered ANY decent defence in ANY of his posts recently.

Or now he's desperate to find any defence that could work so he would not be lynched and since he noticed that there has been no doctor and that most likely there's no doctor, he decided to come up with it?

If he flips as mafia and the game doesn't end, I know where to look next.

[safariguy5]

He said it right here commander.

I'm claiming miller doc, if I really am mafia then look at how nerf'd town was. The only power roles they had were a hated cop, a roleblocker and a watcher (potentially). I've offered a plausible explanation for the lack of night kills where no-one else has. Other than that I have nothing, except for I believe that Toby's role was as claimed.

Just looking at how the game can play out as far as myslynches:

D4: 6 town - 1 mafia. Myslynch me.
N4: 5 town - 1 mafia. Mafia hit lovers.
D5: 3 town - 1 mafia. No-lynch to get to lylo.
N5: 3 town - 1 mafia. Mafia hit town.
D6: 2 town - 1 mafia. Lynch someone.

So with 3 suspects and 2 lynches we're in kind of good shape I guess. The only way this isn't a good situation is if the lovers or Saf are lying.

Remember if there is 4 people alive and the lovers are still alive it's a lylo situation.

He stated that he didn't want to mention the Rival Barber during his initial claim. Miller or not, if he is a doctor, I see no good reason to lynch him. He has probably been the reason why the mafia have no kills.

Said what? He has been contradicting himself for a while and hasn't offered ANY decent defence in ANY of his posts recently.

Or now he's desperate to find any defence that could work so he would not be lynched and since he noticed that there has been no doctor and that most likely there's no doctor, he decided to come up with it?

If he flips as mafia and the game doesn't end, I know where to look next.

I agree, Vio, there's no reason to stick your neck out for him unless you're connected to him somehow. I'm no longer the cop, so there's no reason to protect me, and if mafia were smart, they would have gone after the lovers the last two nights anyways. Pirelli makes no sense as a miller doctor, and I could conceivably see how mafia would lose their NK if Todd dies to balance town not having any protective roles. And flavor wise, it fits because we didn't see any medics running around saving people's lives.

Someone please come and hammer Shaggy before we have to deadline lynch again.

[Haggis_McMutton]

I'm still not quite convinced, mainly cause I can't figure out the lack of NK today (the lack of one yesterday + safari being blocked can theoretically be explained because of the random night actions).

But fine, let's see what shaggy turns out to be.

vote shaggy

[ShaggyDan]

*Sigh* I would have liked to have got one more post out before the hammer.

With a role like I had there was no way I could have played it. I didn't really see how Pirelli fit a doc character either but 'Rival Barber' works I guess. The whole thing was I give them a shave so Todd can't.

I don't see how 'LaL' applies to people who ommit roles. I ommitted saying I was doctor so I'd have a chance of hitting a save. If I outed myself as doctor I would have been killed.

You'll see from the scene I was telling the truth. Best of luck rest of game. Hmm, I guess I just should have claimed doc with no mention of miller. That probably would have worked better *shrugs*.

/makes way to the gallows.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Adolfo Pirelli had just finished screwing over another customer by charging him triple for a standard shave. Since the Sweeney Todd fiasco, the people of London had become very distrustful of their barbers. Pirelli had used this to his advantage and convinced the people that he was the only barber he could trust. And, in a way, he was. During Todd's killing spree, Pirelli had been going out at night and offering free shaves to folks, protecting them from entering the demon barber's shop. Since then, business had skyrocketed and everyone was demanding their shaves from him. However, the town suddenly grew distrustful of him. They saw how he became richer off of Todd and soon everyone began to believe that Pirelli had actually been working alongside the demon barber. They hung him from the same rope that Todd hung from.

Shaggydan - Adolfo Pirelli (Town Miller/Rival Barber) has been killed!

Night 5 begins!

[Mr. Squirrel]

The past few nights had been rough on Mrs. Lovett. Despite her attempts to kill, her prey kept eluding her. This night, she was determined to make some fresh pies...

That night, Anthony and Johanna had finally escaped. When Judge Turpin had thrown his ward in an insane asylum, Anthony had hatched a plan to bust her out. It was on this night that he finally did. The two of them were heading toward the docks, where Anthony had arranged for a friend of his to take them out of town.

Meanwhile Mrs. Lovett spotted the two lovers heading through the dark alleyways. Knowing that she would get no better chance, she hurriedly ran up to the two of them and tried to kindly invite them to come back to her shop. The lovers were too busy however and tried to just run past. Determined, Mrs. Lovett took out her butchers knife and slashed Anthony across the neck. Johanna began to scream and Mrs. Lovett was forced to silence her too.

It took her all night, but in the morning there were two new flavors of pies ready to order...

Naxus - ??? (???) has been killed!
Commander - ??? (???) has been killed!


Morning 5 Begins
You can order two different pies: Sweet Pies or Warm Pies
You may have both, one, or neither.
Post what you want.

[safariguy5]

Hm...we are in a pretty sticky situation here.

Cleared
Me
jonty

Candidates
Haggis
VioIet

It's basically lylo right now. I'd put more faith in Haggis because Vio supporting Shaggy is a classic scum supports town move to try and earn brownie points. I have a hard time believe Haggis would throw his GF under the bus when we were about to not lynch edocsil, so I'd still go with Vio.

I distrust pies in general, so I will forgo any today.