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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby Clive on Mon May 19, 2008 2:12 pm

animo, if you're town and you fake claimed cop to prevent your lynch, please claim your real role now.
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby animorpherv1 on Mon May 19, 2008 2:15 pm

I told you guys it already.
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby ga7 on Mon May 19, 2008 6:34 pm

:roll:
If Ani is town in this, even though he didn't break any rules (here at least) he has his place in any decent blacklist next to NES :P
Anyway ML, might as well present your other lead today regardless of if we lynch Ani or not neh? Or it's related to his guiltiness or not?
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - Teacher killed - Day 2

Postby MountainLion on Mon May 19, 2008 6:51 pm

I've got a few theories, but let me take this one step at a time...starting with animorph

On page 17 (Day 2):

animorpherv1 wrote:Might I point out that whereever there is a cop, there might be a framer.

ga7 wrote:Not really. Framer is not a role used often... A fortiori in a small game with a sensible portion of vanilla townies.


animorph is confusing to me as is, but when he said the above quote, I was really confused. The framer thing came out of nowhere and I couldn't even reply to it. Now he says he's an anti-frame cop, which now goes along with the above quote the day before. So let me please ask a couple questions for everyone now:

1. Does animorph's mention of a framer on day 2 help back up his anti-frame cop claim today?

2. Would a noob such as animorph make up such a crazy claim to defend himself? (this one is more rhetorical) Do you think he could come up with a plan to mention "framer" on day 2 and then end up claiming anti-frame cop on day 3?

3. If animorph is mafia, would his scum buddies tell him after night one to make up an anti-frame cop and mention a framer on day 2? Would they let him claim anything more than cop?

4. This game does have townies, but does that have to limit the power roles? or could there be an anti-frame cop, godfather, framer, and roleblocker all in the same game with vanilla townies?
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - Teacher killed - Day 2

Postby animorpherv1 on Mon May 19, 2008 7:03 pm

MountainLion wrote:I've got a few theories, but let me take this one step at a time...starting with animorph

On page 17 (Day 2):

animorpherv1 wrote:Might I point out that whereever there is a cop, there might be a framer.

ga7 wrote:Not really. Framer is not a role used often... A fortiori in a small game with a sensible portion of vanilla townies.


animorph is confusing to me as is, but when he said the above quote, I was really confused. The framer thing came out of nowhere and I couldn't even reply to it. Now he says he's an anti-frame cop, which now goes along with the above quote the day before. So let me please ask a couple questions for everyone now:

1. Does animorph's mention of a framer on day 2 help back up his anti-frame cop claim today?

2. Would a noob such as animorph make up such a crazy claim to defend himself? (this one is more rhetorical) Do you think he could come up with a plan to mention "framer" on day 2 and then end up claiming anti-frame cop on day 3?

3. If animorph is mafia, would his scum buddies tell him after night one to make up an anti-frame cop and mention a framer on day 2? Would they let him claim anything more than cop?

4. This game does have townies, but does that have to limit the power roles? or could there be an anti-frame cop, godfather, framer, and roleblocker all in the same game with vanilla townies?


1. No

2 (Not the rhetorical one). It just happened to be that way.

3. I don't think I can answer this, I have only been in a few games as mafia, but not this one.

4. I think S_R put some amazingly poweful roles in there, and to make sure this wasn't overly powerful, put in some Vanilla Townies.
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - Teacher killed - Day 2

Postby mr. incrediball on Tue May 20, 2008 9:52 am

mountainlion wrote:3. If animorph is mafia, would his scum buddies tell him after night one to make up an anti-frame cop and mention a framer on day 2? Would they let him claim anything more than cop?




i'm not sure about this one.


usually, when i'm in a game as scum, we try to have as little to do with each other as possible during the day. unless we have no other option.

however, ani could be getting help from a scum who took pity on him (if ani turns out scum, then it might be a good idea to look closely at people who are known for helping out noobs).


i still think ani is scummy.
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby MountainLion on Tue May 20, 2008 4:21 pm

Hello? Where is everyone?

My first question is the most important. He mentioned a "framer" on day 2. Doesn't that help back up his anti-frame cop today?

animorph, why did you say no? The more you post, the more confused I get. :?

I had a post set up yesterday with quotes, turned off my computer, so I lost what I was going to say. However, I've re-read and now I'm not so sure about what I was thinking.

animorph is a 50/50 lynch to me right now. Clive was blocked, but was he? If Clive was scum and he pointed out lovo (thinking that if a real cop checked lovo, he would get innocent) who ended up getting lynched, maybe he wanted to be sure he could buy another day as a "claimed cop" by saying he got blocked. Maybe there's no roleblocker at all.

Anit-frame cop is hard to believe, but you can't limit the possibilities. Yes there are vanilla townies, but why can't the power roles be powerful?

More than anything I'd like to figure out what animorph is, but I still get the feeling he could be telling the truth. I would almost rather lynch Skoffin to test animorph's investigation.

and where is kalish? S_L did you get him a replacement?
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby Sierra_Leon on Tue May 20, 2008 4:55 pm

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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby Clive on Tue May 20, 2008 5:43 pm

Well I don't really buy an anti-frame cop. To me it's looks more likely he is a framer, if anything. If so it would mean scum have a lot of powers...
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby animorpherv1 on Tue May 20, 2008 5:58 pm

It just happened to be that I mentioned framer on day 2, and tell you guys I'm Anti-frame cop on day 3, and if it helped, I wouldn't have been asked those questions.
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby Skoffin on Tue May 20, 2008 9:31 pm

The problem with his claim is how he survived night 1. Not only did he not die but was not blocked, now as I believe Clive to be town that gives me indication that Ani is not. Why the hell would scum not block or kill him? Now kill I could understand, they would probably assume doc protection, however scum roleblockes, especially on night one, generall have little idea on who to target. As such they generally take closer looks at people during the day to try to pick up power roles, so I doubt one would simply skim the hell out of the game and completely miss Ani's claim. Therefore I think he is scum.

Ani has played a few games now, he *should* have picked up on things by now. We simply cannot keep not killing off players and let them skate by because "they are naive so they probably don't know the roles anyway". If we keep doing that then new players will get the impression that they don't need to learn any because other players will keep them alive on 'naivety'.

My vote stays.
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby MountainLion on Wed May 21, 2008 12:31 am

That's true, why the hell wouldn't the mafia roleblocker block animorph? If animorph comes up mafia, it's obviously good and we know we can trust Clive, but if animorph happens to come up innocent, then we can surely assume Clive is lying scum because of his claim of being blocked, because a mafia roleblocker can't exist if an innocent animorph wasn't blocked before, right?

Vote animorph
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby Sierra_Leon on Wed May 21, 2008 4:22 am

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animorpherv1 - 5 (Clive, mr. incrediball, ga7, Skoffin, MountainLion)

Not voting: kalishnikov, nagerous, firth4eva, militant, animorpherv1


With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby Sierra_Leon on Wed May 21, 2008 5:42 am

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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby nagerous on Wed May 21, 2008 8:28 am

I'm thinking it more likely that animo is actually a mafia framer but the concept of hammering him right now is something that I don't feel particularly comfortable with, especially if we have taken the path of fools. I guess there is still time for more discussion as of now. I guess I'll give it 24 hours so that animo can post his last defence etc. /iliad can contribute his thoughts.
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby Clive on Wed May 21, 2008 11:36 am

Well he can't exactly defend himself against the main points against him.

Waiting is boring...
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby animorpherv1 on Wed May 21, 2008 3:19 pm

Well, I've already claimed, and I've just about given up anyways. I don't want to go throught this anymore, just lynch me.
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby MountainLion on Wed May 21, 2008 3:27 pm

Just want to say before the day is through that if animorph comes up town, FOS mr.incrediball and ga7. mr.i for calling a strong BS on his anti-frame cop claim, and ga7 for continuing to suggest there are no or little mafia power roles. I can explain further if need be on Day 4.
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby animorpherv1 on Wed May 21, 2008 3:31 pm

I'd vote him no matter, what, if he is mafia, he's most likley looking for control.
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby Iliad on Wed May 21, 2008 4:52 pm

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I'll get to re-reading and should post soon. Then again I might just sulk that chelsea lost
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby Iliad on Wed May 21, 2008 6:09 pm

I've re-read and boy was today a strange day. Things are not up to scratch and both cops look incredibly scummy. Clive with his late counter-claim and that he was blocked, which doesn't make sense why would't ani be blocked night 1. But ani managed to get himself into the spotlight. While there is hte whole evidence for clive, with lovo,
vote ani

If there is a vig and ani is town, then clive is scum, and the vig should kill him off so we can have an extra lynch tomorrow
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby Iliad on Wed May 21, 2008 6:09 pm

While it's still twilight I will FOS firth and mib for submarining.
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby ga7 on Wed May 21, 2008 6:44 pm

I don't think Ani is necessarily a mafia framer, you people seem to forget that while a noob he signed up to a mountain of games... Anyway we'll see. I agree that if Ani is actually town, there are good chances Clive is scum, but we might have more info in the scene if that's the case... Either way I agree with Illy's FOSes on MIB that didn't submarine but was quick on jumping without a proper explanation, and Firth submarining since the beginning of the day.
Now ML, I've been trying to decipher possibilities setup-wise, I'm glad it makes me suspicious though it means you quickly forget other things :P I still doubt Ani is telling the truth, and it's kinda obvious to me that if we have a bunch of vanillas it only means town has few power roles. Would uber roles like Anti framer compensate that mafia could have highly useful power roles like roleblocker and framer? Hell no, that just means they would have fewer to kill to make town powerless. Of course I don't know SL's style since his first game was a C9, but I think I wouldn't expect the same things from him than say, a cena in terms of balance :P
That said, we'll soon know more about it.
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby nagerous on Wed May 21, 2008 6:51 pm

ga7 wrote:I don't think Ani is necessarily a mafia framer, you people seem to forget that while a noob he signed up to a mountain of games... Anyway we'll see. I agree that if Ani is actually town, there are good chances Clive is scum, but we might have more info in the scene if that's the case... Either way I agree with Illy's FOSes on MIB that didn't submarine but was quick on jumping without a proper explanation, and Firth submarining since the beginning of the day.
Now ML, I've been trying to decipher possibilities setup-wise, I'm glad it makes me suspicious though it means you quickly forget other things :P I still doubt Ani is telling the truth, and it's kinda obvious to me that if we have a bunch of vanillas it only means town has few power roles. Would uber roles like Anti framer compensate that mafia could have highly useful power roles like roleblocker and framer? Hell no, that just means they would have fewer to kill to make town powerless. Of course I don't know SL's style since his first game was a C9, but I think I wouldn't expect the same things from him than say, a cena in terms of balance :P
That said, we'll soon know more about it.


Did anyone else find this really scummy, hes already accusing people before we even know Ani's role. I trust clive and it sounds like you're already trying to build a case against him before the next day phase. IGMEOY
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Re: Kindergarten Mafia - No more Lego toys - Day 3

Postby ga7 on Wed May 21, 2008 6:56 pm

What about Illy that basically called for a vig to kill Clive? Double standard [-X
Anyway I said all along I doubt there could be a naive and a sane cop together, or considering the way Clive acted so far that both cops could be town. Just following the same line in case I'm wrong, but I really doubt it after the framer stuff.
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