Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[Minister Masket]

Don't think he's been mentioned yet but Gary Oak might be here too, maybe in a 3rd party capacity.

Sounds to me like Gary Oak is in this game, and if you had read the Day 1 story arc, you'd know this.

I did in fact read the story intro on the day it was published, but my memory for that kind of thing is pretty awful. That said, maybe it was the unconscious trigger for later on when I was thinking of possible trainers, you never know.

This. Although I will note memory can be a fickle thing.

Yeah, hit the nail on the head.

On the Masket case, (pun intended), there are two outcomes here. He dies at night as he gets targeted by scum for being a trainer (Well who said they would be all scum....) or he survive because he is a scum trainer and we get him later. I really dont see why we would lynch him today.

I don't like the reasoning that if I survive Night 1 then I'm automatically pinned as scum. What if I'm protected? What if the scum reason that I would be and instead go for someone random?

I think I've been scum only once before in a past game, and then I liked to go after players who were at no risk from lynching (hardly me at the moment).

Giovanni most definetly is a trainer. In both the anime and in the games he was a gym leader. A strong one too. Yes he had lackies to do his work for him but he certainly was a trainer too.

I know where you're coming from, but really, look at the guy. Can you really see him out in the field getting his Meowth/Persian from level 5 to 50 or wherever like the kid trainers?
I know the evidence has drifted away from it in recent years but I used to be a fan of the him being Ash's father theory.

I see nark is copping a lot of flak for a playstyle which is totally in keeping with his personality. I don't think the supposed typo scum tell is worth a hill of beans so I'm merely a little concerned that he could be another trainer. Now, it's possible that the trainers are the town but since in pokemon there are always way less trainers than pokemon (duh) i'm sticking by my theory that pokemon or other npcs are the town and the various trainers are cult-type entitities. With that in mind, thinking that MM is a trainer and that trainers are bad, I'm going to Vote:Minister Masket.

Really? That's your theory? Let's look at the opening scene again since (see above) we're using it as hard evidence:

Professor Oak: Thank you, Reporter. Given that most of the Gym Masters have been killed, this year we decided that it would be to dangerous to keep all our fights focused on a few specific locations. Instead, I have supplied a few kids with a Pokedex and a starting pokemon, and released them into the Kanto region to find and defeat each other. The last one of them to survive will be crowned the Champion.

I do not believe for a second that these trainers are going to be scum. In all Pokemon media, the trainers started off by the local Professor are the protagonists. Whichever 'Team' is present is the antagonists. It's not a very complex plot. That's just how it is.

I know I'm going to risk an OMGUS (funny how I remember that of all things) swipe but Vote Exile for foolishly assuming that all trainers will be scum when it flies in the face of the theme.

I want to make clear it's not cause you voted me, otherwise I could have just have easily gone for Nark or madmitch.
Logically I should be going for madmitch since he's the only one close to me in votes - and a rival "MM" to boot, can't be having that - but I can't ignore weak logic like that to justice hopping on my bandwagon.

[Minister Masket]

I should probably add a little amendment here as I note you said "cult-like" instead of scum specifically, but you still said bad for the town, so my point still stands.

[DoomYoshi]

I know I'm going to risk an OMGUS (funny how I remember that of all things) swipe but Vote Exile for foolishly assuming that all trainers will be scum when it flies in the face of the theme.

Can you name one Pokemon game where not every trainer is a piece of scum in both the literal and figurative sense?

[Skoffin]

Anything on Fircoal? He has picked up a fair few votes. I think its interesting that Skoffin has come out to vote him, whilst also be clear in defending his vote of the mod.

I really dont like Fircoal or SKoffin in this game. Skoffin jokevoted Fircoal and then was very quick to defend him against real votes. Something is very fishy about that, its like he wanted to be able to claim late in the game that he voted him so cant be amigos, but doesnt want a d1 lynch on him.

Since you have said this twice now, I'll address it. My 'defending' Chu here was strictly pointing out his meta surrounding voting the mod/Mandy, and nothing more. Using "My first joke vote was on fircoal, therefore!" would be a very strange defence tactic. Fircoal always voted the mod/mandy back in the day, and prior to this game even starting a whole bunch of us old players were added to a FB chat where we all joked and it was established that I would be voting chu immediately and he would be voting the mod. To infer any conclusion on that would therefore not pan out, as these decisions were made before anyone was assigned a role. If you would like any of the other old timers to corroborate that what I have said is accurate, then they can do so if it makes you feel more comfortable.
And, for future reference, I don't care how much I believe someone is scum and want them lynched; If someone else brings up a reason to vote them that I think is invalid, I will question it or point out why it is invalid.
To put it simply, if I voted for Spudlord and gave the reason that he was scum because he counterclaimed a cop but then Gerbil hater comes in with "Spudlord is scum because he mentioned gerbil three times" I will point out that this is faulty reasoning regardless of how guilty I think Spudlord is.
There is a mix here of newer players that know each others meta, and older plays that know each others meta and at some point the two camps are going to have to accept this for what it's worth. Now what I personally find interesting is that you yourself brought up the meta of other players, such as your voting of hotshot, and we should accept this yet I brought up the well established meta of chu on one particular matter and that is sufficient to be questionable. Baaah

@Wing, care to qualify your case on Tim? I'm not seeing anything particularly scummy.

FP'd by [color=#FF0000]Skoffin

This post interested me, partly as it was during a chain of Legion showing how productive he is being while using a lot of words while at the same time not really adding anything to the discussion. This quote stood out more as to the fact that apparently it took more than 9 minutes to write despite being so brief. The problem I have is that all it does is mention Tim and wanting clarification, which is essentially what I had just posted already.I'll be honest, I don't get why so many people are bothering with the "FP'd by.." nonsense. Personally I see no purpose for it unless a slew of posts have suddenly cropped up that might make your post redundant, such as a whole page of posts. Seeing the FP bit after a single post looks like it has just been added to make it look like you had an idea before someone else did.

Oh and Exile, I am sure you have realised that you have basically acknowledged you are not a trainer right? sortof like what Masket did.

Just wondering on all the snark going on here; how long is it going to continue? If we're going to get down into a fight I'm happy to hop in for a round of fisticuffs. But if I do join in no one will like it.

And thank you Serb for clarifying my gender; as everyone assumed I was male my "Leave the dramatics to the girls" comment might look a little sexist.
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[Skoffin]

Not being able to edit my post hurts me more than it hurts you.

[kwanton]

I have a strange feeling about Nark & Wing... they keep fighting, accusing each other, and then they both go into "ignore" mode... like they did a show and now they look like mortal enemies. If the assumption is correct that there are multiple trainers, pokemons, teams, whatever, they will get a free pass to the endgame since no one will link them together even if they're part of assumed Team Rocket. If one dies, no one will suspect the other. Pretty smart I'd say, so let's keep eyes open.

Only problem with this idea is that there was no night 0 in this game amd these are two people who have never played with each other. Would be impressive if they managed to coordinate that with no prior communication.

You're on point about the ignoring bit tho. Getting pissy because you can't handle snark and ignoring someone is not helpful.

[Talapus]

I do not believe for a second that these trainers are going to be scum. In all Pokemon media, the trainers started off by the local Professor are the protagonists. Whichever 'Team' is present is the antagonists. It's not a very complex plot. That's just how it is.

So now you want us all believing that there are good and bad pokemon. The bad being not town aligned? I thought pokemon were in the wild and didn't really talk to each other or conspire in groups? I looked through wiki and can't find evidence of a pokemon animal group out to destroy things. I certainly don't understand how they are all going to get together without a trainer. It almost sounds like you made this statement in a way to completely pacify the rest of us into thinking you have to be town. I looked into team rocket as well and Chu is correct their ages were never given. In the game originally they were set to be around the same age as Ash and the rest and both the main characters dropped out of school and joined Team Rocket eventually...so I see no reason why they can't be considered kids from Professor what's his face.

The trainer slip, the trying to convince us pokemon are town and mafia aligned, and now trying to convince the rest of us all the trainers must be good is just too much for me to buy day 1. You are hiding something, or not hiding something very badly. Either way, you get my vote.

Unvote

Vote Minister Masket

[BuJaber]

Haha you are the joke, Anark has been playing mafia here for nearly 10 years

Sigh... I say I like your contributions and then you post this. Their fight has diverged away from mafia and into personal attacks a long time ago, so you either try to stop it or ignore their fight.

Dakky - Until we see evidence that either of them is town, I for one will go after the 2nd one regardless of how the first one to die flips. It's just safer. But this is premature; neither of them are about to be lynched.

Speaking of Nark I would like to add this, yes he's say things that have seemed odd or off, but at the same time he hasn't been afraid to stick his neck out and he has been posting a lot. In general posting a lot is good for town more than scum. While scum does want to push lynches they like they also don't want to attract attention. Nark has attracted attention, while it's possible it was just an unintentional effect I do tend to like to keep active players alive. It's good for town.

This is a good argument for keeping Nark alive for now. I will Unvote.



So now we have mitch and masket seemingly top 2 candidates. The people voting for masket seemingly did it in a more methodical, thought out way, instead of rushing, so I'm leaning towards that being the better case. This post by Talapus being a particularly convincing one for joining the masket case. At least as far as day 1 cases go. Vote Minister Masket

So now you want us all believing that there are good and bad pokemon. The bad being not town aligned? I thought pokemon were in the wild and didn't really talk to each other or conspire in groups? I looked through wiki and can't find evidence of a pokemon animal group out to destroy things. I certainly don't understand how they are all going to get together without a trainer. It almost sounds like you made this statement in a way to completely pacify the rest of us into thinking you have to be town. I looked into team rocket as well and Chu is correct their ages were never given. In the game originally they were set to be around the same age as Ash and the rest and both the main characters dropped out of school and joined Team Rocket eventually...so I see no reason why they can't be considered kids from Professor what's his face.

The trainer slip, the trying to convince us pokemon are town and mafia aligned, and now trying to convince the rest of us all the trainers must be good is just too much for me to buy day 1. You are hiding something, or not hiding something very badly. Either way, you get my vote.

Unvote

Vote Minister Masket

[Skoffin]

I always believed Jessie was 17 as she stated so in an episode, but there was also some claim that Jessie/James were early 20's. Either way, they are not the same age as Ash. They are classified as trainers, again anyone who trains/battles pokemon is a trainer, however they are not trainers that have relation to professor Oak.

I'm actually not sure what your issue here is with that particular quote, Tal. Just based on around the pokemon universe is, there has to be both scum pokemon and scum trainers as Team Rocket have both. Meowth is a pokemon, Jessie and James are trainers. It seems apparent to me that by 'team' he meant Team rocket/Skull/Magma/Whatever, not team as in pokemon/trainer anyway. I think there will be a mix of things here, so i think we should stop getting bogged down with notions of "All pokemon are X! all trainers are Y!"

[Ragian]

Gentle prod received. Busy week and weekend. I'm on p. 11. Must teach now, will read in a few hours. Cheers for keeping me to it.

[Skittles!]

I have a strange feeling about Nark & Wing... they keep fighting, accusing each other, and then they both go into "ignore" mode... like they did a show and now they look like mortal enemies. If the assumption is correct that there are multiple trainers, pokemons, teams, whatever, they will get a free pass to the endgame since no one will link them together even if they're part of assumed Team Rocket. If one dies, no one will suspect the other. Pretty smart I'd say, so let's keep eyes open.

Only problem with this idea is that there was no night 0 in this game amd these are two people who have never played with each other. Would be impressive if they managed to coordinate that with no prior communication.

You're on point about the ignoring bit tho. Getting pissy because you can't handle snark and ignoring someone is not helpful.

I kind of agree with Dakky on this, it seems like they are being completely idiotic.. and for what reason? They may not have had any communication as night hasn't happened but they can still see if they are both mafia. While it can be a long shot, i'm still going to FOS Wing and Nark. Something just seems off. Then again, could just be personality clash and both are just being juvenile. Also, Nark, please don't post pictures of Trump again.. I'd rather not see his face.

I always believed Jessie was 17 as she stated so in an episode, but there was also some claim that Jessie/James were early 20's. Either way, they are not the same age as Ash. They are classified as trainers, again anyone who trains/battles pokemon is a trainer, however they are not trainers that have relation to professor Oak.

I'm actually not sure what your issue here is with that particular quote, Tal. Just based on around the pokemon universe is, there has to be both scum pokemon and scum trainers as Team Rocket have both. Meowth is a pokemon, Jessie and James are trainers. It seems apparent to me that by 'team' he meant Team rocket/Skull/Magma/Whatever, not team as in pokemon/trainer anyway. I think there will be a mix of things here, so i think we should stop getting bogged down with notions of "All pokemon are X! all trainers are Y!"

I also believed that Jesse and James were around 17/15, with Ash being around 11, Misty 13(?), and Brock 14? Don't quote me on that, but that's what I've always heard and thought as well.

I really don't understand this bandwagon on Minister. They're an older player, they always seemed a bit scummy when I played with them back in the day even though they were a simple townie. They slipped up a lot. I'm just not buying that the slip up was intentional and even if it was, he did try and semi-claim townie... Why are we trying to get rid of a townie when there are big enough to fry? Unless the people voting MM are trainers also and want to win (and be the very best!)

The way the arguments for and against people are going is really striking me as odd. I haven't played mafia in years so I'm obviously a bit rusty, but these arguments just don't swing me either way. I'm looking out for the ones being the most aggressive and pointing fingers every which way (hence the FOS on Nark and Wing)

Also:

I know I'm going to risk an OMGUS (funny how I remember that of all things) swipe but Vote Exile for foolishly assuming that all trainers will be scum when it flies in the face of the theme.

Can you name one Pokemon game where not every trainer is a piece of scum in both the literal and figurative sense?

If you mean scum but exploiting animals to fight, then yeah they're scum. But there are characters throughout the games and the anime that genuinely care for the wellbeing of Pokemon. It is usually only angry teens and children, or those in Team (insert name here) that are the baddies and scum. Considering this mafia game is based on Gen 1, most of the people encountered in the game and anime weren't bad guys, but I guess some had a mean streak.

I haven't yet decided who will get my vote for Day 1, I really need to reread the thread from the start to try and pick up clues.

[mandalorian2298]

Vote count: (FIXED, Fircoal's nonexistant vote on Masket removed)

spurgistan (1) - Tim

kwanton (1) - kwanton

Strike wolf (1) - Mets

Tim (2) - new guy, Wing

Fircoal (1) - Skoffin

Anark (2) - Hotshot, Strike

Wing (2) - Ragian, TWO

Minister Masket (7)(FIXED) - madmitch, Yoshi, Serbia, Anark, Exile,Talapus, BuJaber

BuJaber (1) - spurgistan

Mitch (5) - Nagerous, Fircoal, dakky, legionnare, Samlen

Exile (1) - Masket

26 alive, 14 to lynch

[mandalorian2298]

Thank you all for your PMs and opinions. At the moment, the majority is for the 2 day rule, but the few who aren't quote pretty good RL reasons why they can't commit themselves to post that often.

Given that, since my last vote counts almost every player had at least one post, I don't think that activity is bad enough, at the moment, to justify anything radical. So, here is how we're gonna do it: If you notice that someone hasn't posted for 2 Days, PM me and I'll prod them. If they still don't react a full day after the prod I'll send another prod. 24 hours after that, I'll replace them.

If I see a pattern with a certain player, by which I mean that he/she is posting rarely and not really making an effort, I'll replace him/her. Also, if someone disappears for 4 days without announcing it first (totally random example of a possible announcement : "Hey cobbers, I'm of to visit my subjects in the Secret Gerbil Kingdom! B'back in 5 days.")

[Ragian]

I also notice that , out of 26 people, we do not have many people who are even posting once a day... If they are town, they are just screwing the rest of us. If they are scum, we are far too easily slipping under the radar...

I'm guilty of not posting enough. Tough week. I'll get better or I'll get replaced. Below are my thoughts reading the last five pages.

TheWeirdOne's mega long post on p. 11 sits wrong with me. It's good because it touches upon several issues while maintaining that this is D1, when nothing substantial will present itself. It reeks of scum trying to appear active, though, when the conclusion to all the different things is an unvote.

This was remedied the next page. Bollocks.

@Doom, why voting MM? Wasn't he just saying that he thought Pokemons only attacked? You're making it seem as if he said that no Pokemons are ion the game. Nag asks the same questions p. 12.

What Samlen added bottom p. 12 doesn't really do anything either. Still peaks my scumdar. Nothing added yet. Wing agrees here.

Right. I'll allow that

Why? Why is it acceptable for people to make up random excuses to avoid posting? The excuses always come after the event and are meaningless. A lack of posting is a lack of posting.

I allowed reading I need to read the thread in other to make up an opinion. We can't all have access to the divine.

Legionnaire adds thoughts, but doesn't vote. I don't like that. Then jumps on madmitch case.

...not able to get last of p. 14 and p. 15 as teaching duties are back on now. Will read the rest later. For now, vote legionnaire. Has read, has contributed, has not committed.

[The1exile]

Oh and Exile, I am sure you have realised that you have basically acknowledged you are not a trainer right? sortof like what Masket did.

I do see what you're getting at, Skoff, but consider that trainers still want to get rid of other trainers to win the league, right? In fact, that seems to be the case even if there are so-called "town" trainers (Ash? Gary?) and scum trainers (e.g. team rocket). Hell, if we assume there are equal numbers town and scum trainers (Ash Misty and brock vs Team Rocket and Gary, maybe?)it still behooves any town trainers to vote for suspected other trainers, unless they know each others identities (sounds a bit culty to me ) because they're still mathematically more likely to be scum.

[Ragian]

Crap. Unvote vote legionnaire.

I don't agree with the case on MM. And I don't get Talapus's point about MM's point. Are you, Tala, suggesting that all trainers are non-town? Or am I understanding you incorrectly?

@skoffin, totally knew you are a girl. You were in the HP mafia, right?

[madmitch]

I have a strange feeling about Nark & Wing... they keep fighting, accusing each other, and then they both go into "ignore" mode... like they did a show and now they look like mortal enemies. If the assumption is correct that there are multiple trainers, pokemons, teams, whatever, they will get a free pass to the endgame since no one will link them together even if they're part of assumed Team Rocket. If one dies, no one will suspect the other. Pretty smart I'd say, so let's keep eyes open.

We could say the same thing about you and Tim. So out of 26 players we have professor oak and his nephew acorn and a few trainors out in the woods, what is a few ,most likely three ,ash brook and misty,the bad guys Team Rocket which consists of at least four or more trainors plus their pokemons ,so at least 20 total so we have about 6 left probally wild pokemons. From my rereading Dakky and Tim and WCG and Nark are trainer and pokemon and Minister and Sam are also trainors but who are they for?

[kwanton]

I really don't understand this bandwagon on Minister. They're an older player, they always seemed a bit scummy when I played with them back in the day even though they were a simple townie. They slipped up a lot. I'm just not buying that the slip up was intentional and even if it was, he did try and semi-claim townie... Why are we trying to get rid of a townie when there are big enough to fry? Unless the people voting MM are trainers also and want to win (and be the very best!)

The way the arguments for and against people are going is really striking me as odd. I haven't played mafia in years so I'm obviously a bit rusty, but these arguments just don't swing me either way. I'm looking out for the ones being the most aggressive and pointing fingers every which way (hence the FOS on Nark and Wing)

I'm with you on the minister bandwagon. From what I remember this is how he is. We'd bandwagon him due to a slip up and he'd end up being like a vanilla townie

[DoomYoshi]

If you mean scum but exploiting animals to fight, then yeah they're scum. But there are characters throughout the games and the anime that genuinely care for the wellbeing of Pokemon. It is usually only angry teens and children, or those in Team (insert name here) that are the baddies and scum. Considering this mafia game is based on Gen 1, most of the people encountered in the game and anime weren't bad guys, but I guess some had a mean streak.

This. On top of the fact that they are juvenile delinquents and bike thiefs and breaking and entering all over the land, there's the cruelty to Pokemon. Capturing wild Pidgeys and putting them into battle against Onix - who does that???

Also, you can only carry 6 so once you "Catch 'Em All" the rest go back to Oak's lab where he rents them out to L'oreal for makeup testing (if they're lucky!)

In all seriousness though, I am willing to bet that Masket isn't even a trainer. He's a pokemon willing to sacrifice himself so that his trainer can find all the other trainers. His posts have just been to sow confusion. That confusion reaping is enough to make him the D1 kill IMO. Not that there is a better D1 case. Mitch is convincing but the same case could be made every D1 against him. Give me a couple days to read him and I will tell if he is scum or not (My reads on him are 2/2 or 100%).

[DoomYoshi]

I had two more thoughts while I was in the shower. I think the wagon on MM is comprised of 50% pokemon, 25% other "town" trainers and 25% other "scum".

Also, on wing/Nark - daytalk is a thing, and I wouldn't rule it out in a non-standard setup like this. For those who are debating around N0 or not.

[Talapus]

And I don't get Talapus's point about MM's point. Are you, Tala, suggesting that all trainers are non-town? Or am I understanding you incorrectly?

Certainly not. But since it seems Team Rocket are the obvious bad guys and technically trainers I refuse to buy the crap that all the trainers must be good.

[Minister Masket]

1) In the game originally they were set to be around the same age as Ash and the rest and both the main characters dropped out of school and joined Team Rocket eventually...so I see no reason why they can't be considered kids from Professor what's his face.

2) The trainer slip, the trying to convince us pokemon are town and mafia aligned, and now trying to convince the rest of us all the trainers must be good is just too much for me to buy day 1. You are hiding something, or not hiding something very badly. Either way, you get my vote.

1) Way to ignore what my point actually was. It wasn't about their ages. It was about being associated with the Professor (Oak). The Professors have only ever given Pokemon to 'good' trainers (apart from 'rivals' like Gary Oak, but they usually turned out not so bad in the end).
And in Mandy's scene we have Oak once again sending some kids out on their way with some Pokemon. So your point about these trainers is completely nonsensical at best.

2) And now you're putting words in my mouth. I literally said a few pages back that the odds of htting a scum trainer are bad because I have an inkling that there will be more town trainers than scum. Read: I have full confidence that Team Rocket are in the game and are also considered trainers. I also said I believe Gary Oak might be around, possibly as 3rd party. Now you tell me how you got "all trainers are good/town" from that?

Seriously? I don't mind being voted for a "slip-up", but when further arguemnts are built on lies, that's when it starts to get annoying.
The bandwagon against me is based on speculation. That's it. And it's not good enough when we have other players outright lying to justify their votes as is the case here.

[Ragian]

unvote...ugh...had forgotten Legionnare's vote on madmitch. That actually made sense.

Maybe the reason I don't get the point, Tala, is that I know next to nothing about Pokemon. I'm just trying to find scum here.

From what I've seen so far - and I do not claim my findings to exclude other or, for that matter, better findings - Legionnare stood out to me as someone trying to appear active without wanting to commit to a case. Now, he's voted. Voting is important. It creates patterns.

Samlen's vote, however, doesn't really sit right with me. He says a bunch of stuff about others, but then he votes mitch. I never got why the vote was left on mitch rather than the ones being commented. Especially Exiled. Easy way out? Care to comment, Samlen?

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Topped with what I found to be a tendency to comment, not commit, I'll vote Samlen

Something else - although in the same vein - struck me. Last game, Marashu was really helpful clearing up things about the flavour, and I believe he turned out to be a baddie. This game I get the same feeling. Am I remembering that correctly?

[Anarkistsdream]

In all seriousness though, I am willing to bet that Masket isn't even a trainer. He's a pokemon willing to sacrifice himself so that his trainer can find all the other trainers.

Uhmmmmmm... This just jumped out at me and slapped me in the face...

So are you saying that you are a POkemon who knows who his trainer is? Because that is what you imply... Are you assuming ALL Pokemon have already "been caught" and are under a Trainer? Does the Trainer control their night actions? This would give us the idea that each Trainer is like a Cult leader, which is what I already had kind of assumed. What about free Pokemon?

I just say all of this, because your quote implies several of these ideas and I can tell you that your assumption does not line up with my character at all. And I doubt I can be the only one who is puzzled by this idea.

[new guy1]

This is the first time in CC history that I went over my estimated ETA on posting and haven't been dog-piled in my absence. It feels strange. I will have to split my thoughts into two posts due to time restrictions. Have a job to go do in about 20 minutes, so I will be commenting on some earlier posts now, and then at some point later tonight will be posting the rest of my thoughts.

Because the post was made earlier, but talk of it just arose in the last page or two, I will still mention TWO's long post. I felt that it was an alright post, unlike ragian, because he recapped and gave his opinions on just about all the relevant happenings, nothing wrong there and I didn't see anything that would point to a slip there. The only thing I felt off about is that after recapping the scummy/interesting/whatever qualifications he was using to quote everyone, he didn't vote anyone, rather unvoted. I felt like he should at least go after a case if he was going to go to the trouble of posting all his thoughts, but it seems he had no thought on who scum is at that point. So it seemed off to me too, but in a different way, and not enough for me to even FOS him, just enough for a mention. Better cases are present in my opinion.

Tim, I still feel is scummy, due to the questioning of Team Rocket's existence. It shows either a lack of knowledge that didn't even extend to reading a wiki page, or scum distancing themselves from their role. I presume the latter, hence my vote was placed on him earlier in the game. Even if his meta is being semi-foolish on D1, that doesn't seem like foolish play, it seems like a slip to me. Mitch's posts are still the scummiest in my opinion, but I have seen in my last game with him that he makes some throughout the game, deciphering if they are scummy or ignorant is a little less black and white, but I'm starting to lean more towards scummy, due to a couple of his questions in that post of many questions. I read his three word post as a joke, so while it's not necessarily quality play, I took it as the joke that it was. It might be a deciding factor on why he would be an alright candidate for a lynch (shows apathy towards the game in a way), I don't see it as a Grade-A point for a case. His "Or are they" to the 9's seems like another joke, but it was not a smart idea to throw it out there, it just doesn't look good.

I have played one game with MM, and I seem to remember he got a jokevote wagon on him for the exact meta of warranting votes on D1 as a habit for his posts. I think, like many others, that he slipped a claim as a trainer, which while it may have been made with good intentions of unifying the town in a way, looks scummy, due to the circumstances that roleclaims are suicidal this game. It may have been an error in assumption on his part (that we would take it as towny not scummy), or it may have been mafia trying to blend in as a trainer, though I don't know how that would benefit him, it would seem trainers may be split up, so claiming a trainer, as mafia, would also prove to be just a suicidal, if the trainers do what trainers in the show do and battle each other. They would still get dog-piled as the assured rival, town or scum. It doesn't seem scummy to me due to this, because it just looks like a trainer trying to find trainer friends. No scum in their right mind would be trying to make any hint towards a claim, because no matter the claim, its suicidal.

I have to stop my train of thought on this semi-unpolished post, so as TWO mentioned on that huge post of his, you get to see the ugly, unpolished part of my thought process.