Cyborgs Mafia - Endgame - Hail the Shiny Golden Overlord

[jak111]

Why would I lie!!!

This alone deserves a vote. Vote Mtam. Why wouldn't you lie if you were mafia? If you were 100% honest we could kill all mafia off by tomorrow night if you're mafia which I still hold the belief that you are. Getting side tracked with the PCM stuff.

Neb, you were on a minor FOS, nothing major. PCM tried to push his shit and I pushed back. I am still suspicious of him, but for now even if he is scum, there's at least two others out there that should be easy pickings.

But to explain the Jonty thing. Jonty is a vet, he is pretty quiet during the first few days and becomes very active toward the end. So my train of thought is who is most likely to kill him as mafia. Other vets that know him well. That being said, it's not concrete. Just speculation.

[mtamburini]

Why would I lie!!!

This alone deserves a vote. Vote Mtam. Why wouldn't you lie if you were mafia? If you were 100% honest we could kill all mafia off by tomorrow night if you're mafia which I still hold the belief that you are. Getting side tracked with the PCM stuff.

Neb, you were on a minor FOS, nothing major. PCM tried to push his shit and I pushed back. I am still suspicious of him, but for now even if he is scum, there's at least two others out there that should be easy pickings.

But to explain the Jonty thing. Jonty is a vet, he is pretty quiet during the first few days and becomes very active toward the end. So my train of thought is who is most likely to kill him as mafia. Other vets that know him well. That being said, it's not concrete. Just speculation.

You are so bad at this game. Speculations on night kills try to frame people. If you read the forums I fossed you first so your vote was an OMGUS vote.

[jak111]

If you read the forums I fossed you first so your vote was an OMGUS vote.

Really now. If I remember I voted you at the beginning of Day 2 before you even commented. The next comment you made you wanted to lynch Tails and I.

I think you really need to reread. You panicked because Tails voted you as well. So you wanted us both dead. Now you claim you FOS'ed me before I voted you? Really? Check the date stamps on each post. In fact, they're all on page 11 just after Day 2 started.

[mtamburini]

If you read the forums I fossed you first so your vote was an OMGUS vote.

Really now. If I remember I voted you at the beginning of Day 2 before you even commented. The next comment you made you wanted to lynch Tails and I.

I think you really need to reread. You panicked because Tails voted you as well. So you wanted us both dead. Now you claim you FOS'ed me before I voted you? Really? Check the date stamps on each post. In fact, they're all on page 11 just after Day 2 started.

Maybe you should read day 1 LOL

[mtamburini]

Also GMEOY jak for reasons I'm too lazy to type on my phone. When I get back on my laptop I'll be sure to explain them.

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Therefore I said it first. Boom. You may have voted on me first, but its probably only because I was starting to think tails was town and you were probably mafia for things I ended up mentioning on day 2.

[HotShot53]

FOS on everyone

Ok, now no-one can vote me without it being an OMGUS vote

Well, Neb made a pretty in-depth summary post, which is good. Of course being under pressure, I'd expect him to post something. But he seems reasonable, so I will unvote for now, although I'll be watching to make sure he keeps up some activity.

Mtam really hasn't been making the best posts recently, jak is almost swaying me to his side... but then I just don't know if I can believe jak's claimed role, and mtam often overreacts to things. I guess to make a fair choice between them mtam maybe should claim also, so we can see who we believe more at that point. Since there is still a long time before the deadline, I'll wait and see how thing develop before deciding if we should lynch jak or pressure mtam for a claim.

[mtamburini]

FOS on everyone

Ok, now no-one can vote me without it being an OMGUS vote

Well, Neb made a pretty in-depth summary post, which is good. Of course being under pressure, I'd expect him to post something. But he seems reasonable, so I will unvote for now, although I'll be watching to make sure he keeps up some activity.

Mtam really hasn't been making the best posts recently, jak is almost swaying me to his side... but then I just don't know if I can believe jak's claimed role, and mtam often overreacts to things. I guess to make a fair choice between them mtam maybe should claim also, so we can see who we believe more at that point. Since there is still a long time before the deadline, I'll wait and see how thing develop before deciding if we should lynch jak or pressure mtam for a claim.

Well this post was awkward. I dont really see you coming from a town prospective here, what different does it make to see which one is more believable assuming Jak is town? You would just be lynching into 2 towns then which is goddamn awful.

I already know what the correct play today is from my POV, but with a 2 week deadline I'm going to assume more people want to talk and such.

Hey jak out of curiosity are you notified when you are hit?

[jak111]

Hey jak out of curiosity are you notified when you are hit?

I am not sure, I'll have to ask because so far I have not been notified of being hit. So unless PCM was bluffing I assume not.

Also HotShot.. dude.. that post reeked scummy. The fact I am agreeing with Mtam on that says something. It's basically, let's see if we can out the doctor (if there is one) and lynch the bodyguard today. I think it is highly unlikely a doctor is in the game because then I'd just protect him/her and they protect Charm, we'd have 3 untouchable townies and the game would be too easy for us then.

So if there is a doctor claim down the road, unless they were checked by cop already I'll be highly suspicious of them.

That being said, your obvious role fishing attempt does not suite well with me, right now there is not enough votes on Mtam to warrant that claim and if I remember correctly yesterday you were backing out from voting really anyone because you wanted everyone else to put the pressure onto people.

[jak111]

8<11

P.S, you're saying 11 is greater than 8. I agree more valuable page.

[HotShot53]

FOS on everyone

Ok, now no-one can vote me without it being an OMGUS vote

Well, Neb made a pretty in-depth summary post, which is good. Of course being under pressure, I'd expect him to post something. But he seems reasonable, so I will unvote for now, although I'll be watching to make sure he keeps up some activity.

Mtam really hasn't been making the best posts recently, jak is almost swaying me to his side... but then I just don't know if I can believe jak's claimed role, and mtam often overreacts to things. I guess to make a fair choice between them mtam maybe should claim also, so we can see who we believe more at that point. Since there is still a long time before the deadline, I'll wait and see how thing develop before deciding if we should lynch jak or pressure mtam for a claim.

Well this post was awkward. I dont really see you coming from a town prospective here, what different does it make to see which one is more believable assuming Jak is town? You would just be lynching into 2 towns then which is goddamn awful.

I already know what the correct play today is from my POV, but with a 2 week deadline I'm going to assume more people want to talk and such.

Hey jak out of curiosity are you notified when you are hit?

If I don't believe his claim, the assumption is that he's scum fake claiming... obviously if I thought he was town I wouldn't lynch him. And what 2 towns am I saying to lynch? You and jak are on opposite sides of the fight, so if I think one is scum, I'll be thinking the other is town... I'm just not sure which is which right now (or there is always the chance you are both town I guess, I'd say pretty small chance you're both scum)

Your post kind of proves my point about you overreacting, by thinking I'm not coming from a town perspective just because I say I am considering voting you, and putting words in my mouth I obviously wasn't meaning.

Hey jak out of curiosity are you notified when you are hit?

I am not sure, I'll have to ask because so far I have not been notified of being hit. So unless PCM was bluffing I assume not.

Also HotShot.. dude.. that post reeked scummy. The fact I am agreeing with Mtam on that says something. It's basically, let's see if we can out the doctor (if there is one) and lynch the bodyguard today. I think it is highly unlikely a doctor is in the game because then I'd just protect him/her and they protect Charm, we'd have 3 untouchable townies and the game would be too easy for us then.

So if there is a doctor claim down the road, unless they were checked by cop already I'll be highly suspicious of them.

That being said, your obvious role fishing attempt does not suite well with me, right now there is not enough votes on Mtam to warrant that claim and if I remember correctly yesterday you were backing out from voting really anyone because you wanted everyone else to put the pressure onto people.

Umm... not sure why you think I was trying to "out the doctor"... I was just saying mtam was sounding more scummy than he had previously, and you were sounding more towny by your posts (although I'm still suspicious of your claim). Obviously if I think mtam is now sounding more scummy I'd pressure for a claim rather than going for a lynch without a claim, that's the usual process anyway...

[Nebuchadnezer]

My final words. I'm town. Why would I lie!!!

Do people understand that this makes them look scummy? I think not, because Mtam and Charm both do it and do it a lot. Guys...it looks scummy to just say you are town. Don't ever use that line to post why you should not be lynched.

Why would I lie!!!

This alone deserves a vote. Vote Mtam. Why wouldn't you lie if you were mafia? If you were 100% honest we could kill all mafia off by tomorrow night if you're mafia which I still hold the belief that you are. Getting side tracked with the PCM stuff.

Neb, you were on a minor FOS, nothing major. PCM tried to push his shit and I pushed back. I am still suspicious of him, but for now even if he is scum, there's at least two others out there that should be easy pickings.

But to explain the Jonty thing. Jonty is a vet, he is pretty quiet during the first few days and becomes very active toward the end. So my train of thought is who is most likely to kill him as mafia. Other vets that know him well. That being said, it's not concrete. Just speculation.

Note to Jak: Don't FOS and accuse half the players in the game on D2. Pick one, stick to it and ride it until it claims. Sending out a flurry of fingers in every direction and then accusing others, just doesn't sit well. It looks like you're trying to throw everything out there, and then when someone picks up on one of them, you say, "Yes! That's why I FOS'd him!" But in reality you FOS everyone, which is like FOSing no one.

FOS on everyone

Ok, now no-one can vote me without it being an OMGUS vote

Well, Neb made a pretty in-depth summary post, which is good. Of course being under pressure, I'd expect him to post something. But he seems reasonable, so I will unvote for now, although I'll be watching to make sure he keeps up some activity.

Mtam really hasn't been making the best posts recently, jak is almost swaying me to his side... but then I just don't know if I can believe jak's claimed role, and mtam often overreacts to things. I guess to make a fair choice between them mtam maybe should claim also, so we can see who we believe more at that point. Since there is still a long time before the deadline, I'll wait and see how thing develop before deciding if we should lynch jak or pressure mtam for a claim.

I'll rephrase Hotshot's post..."I will wait to see who is about to be lynched, then jump on the bandwagon, because I don't care which one we lynch."

Man, reading back through that, I'm really being a dick...but whatevs. My vote stays on Mtam.

[jak111]

Do people understand that this makes them look scummy? I think not, because Mtam and Charm both do it and do it a lot. Guys...it looks scummy to just say you are town. Don't ever use that line to post why you should not be lynched.

But Neb, I'm town! Don't you remember back in the day when my first like 5-8 games I was always town. XD Most solid defense I ever had.

But no, I don't FOS everyone and definitely not all on equal levels, that'd be a pain in the ass trying to vote for everyone then. I believe the cop's claim and spiesr's claim.

Also results are back from my question. I am informed when I am shot and I haven't been informed yet so I have not been shot yet. Which means PCM. What the hell was that earlier? I'm gonna just tack it as a test for now.

Oh, I also have not FOS'd Tails yet today, I'm leaning more town with him. But yeah, my last FOS on HotShot was warranted, yes I think Mtam is scummy, but to say what he said and not even put a vote in it for the pressure of a claim. That makes me think he's just waiting to see which one he can hop on without notoriety. So he's out of the neutral reads and into the leaning scummy reads.

[spiesr]

Also results are back from my question. I am informed when I am shot and I haven't been informed yet so I have not been shot yet. Which means PCM. What the hell was that earlier? I'm gonna just tack it as a test for now.

Pancakemix, can you confirm that your claimed daykill on Jak was real?

My final words. I'm town. Why would I lie!!!

Do people understand that this makes them look scummy? I think not, because Mtam and Charm both do it and do it a lot. Guys...it looks scummy to just say you are town. Don't ever use that line to post why you should not be lynched.

I read that line as a joke when he posted it initially.

[pancakemix]

Also results are back from my question. I am informed when I am shot and I haven't been informed yet so I have not been shot yet. Which means PCM. What the hell was that earlier? I'm gonna just tack it as a test for now.

Pancakemix, can you confirm that your claimed daykill on Jak was real?

It was real.

Also results are back from my question. I am informed when I am shot and I haven't been informed yet so I have not been shot yet. Which means PCM. What the hell was that earlier? I'm gonna just tack it as a test for now.

But you're scum though, so why should we believe what you report?

Matter of fact: Mod, if a person who were bulletproof were shot, would they be informed?

On top of that, I don't know why edoc would go out of his way to say "No Death" if I HADN'T shot.

[jak111]

Hmm, PCM. I gave you a chance to tell the truth. You're not doing so now. You did not shoot me, I have not received any info on being shot and Edoc has told me that I would.

Edoc said no death because everyone was looking at him, so he is just clarifying no one died. He neither confirmed nor denied a shot being made and since I have not been informed of being shot, that makes you a liar.

Unvote, Vote PCM. I'd still be on Mtam if you'd admit that you didn't shoot me, but you insist that you did while I know otherwise.

PCM, I had you tacked as scum with a minor FOS and I didn't even know it until this point, but the fact that you insist on telling a lie after I call you out on it tells me that it is no longer a suspicion, it is fact. Either that or you're shooting blanks.

[edocsil]

Also results are back from my question. I am informed when I am shot and I haven't been informed yet so I have not been shot yet. Which means PCM. What the hell was that earlier? I'm gonna just tack it as a test for now.

Pancakemix, can you confirm that your claimed daykill on Jak was real?

It was real.

Also results are back from my question. I am informed when I am shot and I haven't been informed yet so I have not been shot yet. Which means PCM. What the hell was that earlier? I'm gonna just tack it as a test for now.

But you're scum though, so why should we believe what you report?

Matter of fact: Mod, if a person who were bulletproof were shot, would they be informed?

On top of that, I don't know why edoc would go out of his way to say "No Death" if I HADN'T shot.

I dislike this sort of input. If I confirm either way one of you is going to use it, and I have no desire to be an influencing factor in lynches as a mod.

However a few things I think will be reasonable to say. Let's say someone jokingly made a day kill, and everyone turns to the mod to ask if something is going to happen and the game basically pauses till the mod says something. The mod knows it was a joke, says there is no death and the game resumes. Also say a real DK was made and the target didn't die for whatever reason. In this game there would be no scene, just me saying "no death" to keep the game going. There would be no info at all if the kill was submitted by PM and failed, although I would confirm I received the kill. This is very different from other mods and even some other games of mine. There is supposed to be nearly NO information in scenes in Cyborgs Mafia. I want people to lie in the day, twist people about to fulfill their own goals and have uncertainty in the night. So unless you want me to confirm either a BP role or a DK, or both, or prove that they are scum buddies making an elaborate ruse you may just have to play the game and find out. Everyone has all the information they are suppose to be given, what people chose to do with it is up to them.

[pancakemix]

Hmm, PCM. I gave you a chance to tell the truth. You're not doing so now. You did not shoot me, I have not received any info on being shot and Edoc has told me that I would.

Edoc said no death because everyone was looking at him, so he is just clarifying no one died. He neither confirmed nor denied a shot being made and since I have not been informed of being shot, that makes you a liar.

Unvote, Vote PCM. I'd still be on Mtam if you'd admit that you didn't shoot me, but you insist that you did while I know otherwise.

PCM, I had you tacked as scum with a minor FOS and I didn't even know it until this point, but the fact that you insist on telling a lie after I call you out on it tells me that it is no longer a suspicion, it is fact. Either that or you're shooting blanks.

I got a pm that said my kill had no effect. So I got my information. I would have to take you on your word that you got your PM but your claim is almost as bad as you VoS claim so I can't believe anything you say.

You play this patronizing game where you say "Silly silly pancake, I'd have let you go if you admitted you lied" but you know you wouldn't, you'd be on me like you were already. You and I know better. I don't see why anyone has any reason to believe you.

[jak111]

Interesting, want to play the theory game with Edoc and ask him "In theory, would this or this stop a day kill from working". Take turns with it and see if we can find a possible scenario for us to believe each other in. Right now I don't believe you and you don't believe me.

Though no, I wanted to go for an Mtam claim/lynch today because I scum read him soo highly. But this thing you brought up right now without a way to know what is going on 100% I see you as lying and of course where I see lying my vote goes instantly.

I wonder if Spiesr in fact roleblocked you last night and the effect carried over to today, or a doc on me carried over into the day. I'm trying to see a scenario with you being innocent PCM. But I just can't find a plausible one without someone stepping forward about it.

[Iron Butterfly]

To me the good news is one of you is lying.So we have mafia between you two. Many times these hissy fights are between Town while mafia can stand back and throw twigs on the fire. I hate it when a mod is involved as well and I expected Edocsil to respond accordingly.

Playing roles based on "what the mod pms me" tells us nothing. In many ways it is unfair to the mod.
LOL he described the day phase perfectly.

[Iron Butterfly]

Interesting, want to play the theory game with Edoc and ask him "In theory, would this or this stop a day kill from working". Take turns with it and see if we can find a possible scenario for us to believe each other in. Right now I don't believe you and you don't believe me.

Though no, I wanted to go for an Mtam claim/lynch today because I scum read him soo highly. But this thing you brought up right now without a way to know what is going on 100% I see you as lying and of course where I see lying my vote goes instantly.

I wonder if Spiesr in fact roleblocked you last night and the effect carried over to today, or a doc on me carried over into the day. I'm trying to see a scenario with you being innocent PCM. But I just can't find a plausible one without someone stepping forward about it.

Stop involving the Mod.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Bah...I think I struck pretty close to Mtam, as he's quieted down...must be afraid of something.

But...how long do I have to read this back and forth between pancake and Jak?

So...anytime Vig vs. Overpowered bodyguard.

Pancake thinks Jak is overpowered with this 3 BP, 50% kill return, bodyguard role. Yet Pancake can shoot someone ANYTIME he wants.

Bah...I'm not taking a side on this one. I'd lean to vote Jak if I was forced to, but I'd rather run with Mtam.

[charm]

To me the good news is one of you is lying.So we have mafia between you two. Many times these hissy fights are between Town while mafia can stand back and throw twigs on the fire. I hate it when a mod is involved as well and I expected Edocsil to respond accordingly.

Playing roles based on "what the mod pms me" tells us nothing. In many ways it is unfair to the mod.
LOL he described the day phase perfectly.

@IB - who is you 2? Who are you leaning towards being the scummiest? I'm pretty much watching how things play out. I still think Tails is scummy, but no one seems to believe that. So watching for who we should focus our attention on. We might as well work as a team, now that we know we are the only 2 for sure townies.

MTam is playing how he always plays - I'm on the fence about him right now.

FP'd by Neb

[Iron Butterfly]

To me the good news is one of you is lying.So we have mafia between you two. Many times these hissy fights are between Town while mafia can stand back and throw twigs on the fire. I hate it when a mod is involved as well and I expected Edocsil to respond accordingly.

Playing roles based on "what the mod pms me" tells us nothing. In many ways it is unfair to the mod.
LOL he described the day phase perfectly.

@IB - who is you 2? Who are you leaning towards being the scummiest? I'm pretty much watching how things play out. I still think Tails is scummy, but no one seems to believe that. So watching for who we should focus our attention on. We might as well work as a team, now that we know we are the only 2 for sure townies.

MTam is playing how he always plays - I'm on the fence about him right now.

FP'd by Neb

lol everyone is scummy to some extent, The "You two" is jak and PCM. Jak says he has not received a message yet says he was told he was supposed to. PCM says he received a message.

[mtamburini]

Not really reading much but still thinking about the game IRL as Im dealing with shit.

Thinking about the claimed roles thus far

COP
TOWN ROLEBLOCKER
SOME SORT OF TOWN KILLING ROLE DURING NIGHT/DAY VIG?

And then we got a 3x Bulletproof / Bodyguard !??!?!?!

Seems legit... NOT

[spiesr]

I wonder if Spiesr in fact roleblocked you last night and the effect carried over to today.

I did not do that.